Different aboriginal groups in Australia recognise up to 13 seasons a year depending on the region where they are from. I think that this should be noted in here somewhere.See:
http://www.deh.gov.au/parks/kakadu/artculture/seasons.html http://www.bom.gov.au/iwk/climate_culture/Indig_seasons.shtml http://www.stirling.au.com/educ/traditional_culture.pdf http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/indigenous/ http://home.vicnet.net.au/~herring/seasons.htm
Knobcheesedeluxe 23:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Why is there a division between cool dry season and hot dry season? I know it makes a difference, but there isn't any information, or articles.
I, of course, mean on the top navigation table. The one with all the seasons. 75.6.255.45 02:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
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The "reckoning" section describes the reckoning for the seasons at Denmark, USSR, Australia, UK, Ireland, traditional cultures (Northern hemisphere, East Asian, Irish), plus the Australian Arborigenes. It just misses describing it for the rest of the world... USA, Latin America, Africa and Europe. Also, no word about Mayas, Aztecs, Incas, Egyptian, Persians & other Near East cultures -- all of which acquired very sophisticated astronomical knowledge (and built huge pyramids and monumets) to track the seeasons. No word about Stonehenge either, or the other Neolithic monuments that helped track down the seasons. This is a good article, but overall I was a bit let down as I read it entirely and I still don't know when the seasons start in the USA... Thank you! ;^) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.135.58 ( talk) 22:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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The diagram in the middle of the article shows northern and southern winters and springs, but has two southern falls and no southern summers. I imagine this is a mistake, if not there is no explaination of this in the article. Someone smarter than me should sort this out! NinjaKid ( talk) 14:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I am referring here actually two images North_seaosn.jpg and South_season.jpg. Caption of first image is
Diagram of the Earth's seasons as seen from the north. Far right: December solstice
and caption of second image is
Diagram of the Earth's seasons as seen from the south. Far left: June solstice
Direction of orbiting and spinning in lower image shown are wrong. In fact only one image would have suffice to explain scientific cause of season in both the hemisphere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pruthvi.vallabh ( talk • contribs) 17:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
This seems to be discussing same images used in the "equinox" and "solstice" pages, however, it must have been fixed because it now appears to be correct. 71.191.159.235 ( talk) 22:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
As of 15 May 2008 the article includes the following mutually incompatible statements:
"Seasonal weather differences between hemispheres are further caused by the elliptical orbit of Earth. Earth reaches perihelion (the point in its orbit closest to the Sun) in January, and it reaches aphelion (farthest point from the Sun) in July. Even though the effect this has on Earth's seasons is minor, it does noticeably soften the northern hemisphere's winters and summers. In the southern hemisphere, the opposite effect is observed."
"Compared to axial tilt, other factors contribute little to seasonal temperature changes. The seasons are not the result of the variation in Earth’s distance to the sun because of its elliptical orbit.[2] Orbital eccentricity can influence temperatures, but on Earth, this effect is small and is more than counteracted by other factors; research shows that the Earth as a whole is actually slightly warmer when farther from the sun.[3]"
Can anyone resolve this? Lfh ( talk) 18:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
This unsourced bit of history revision is at odds with a source at the bottom ( http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/161/is-it-true-summer-in-ireland-starts-may-1) and should be either cited or trashed. 68.211.234.224 ( talk) 16:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
The diagram in the astronomical section has the nearest/farthest points labelled as " periapsis" and "apoasis". First, note that "apoasis" is a typo; the correct spelling is "apoapsis". I would further suggest "perihelion" and "aphelion" are better terms, being equivalent terms that are both (a) better known and (b) specific to solar orbits rather than general ones. JulesH ( talk) 19:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I quote from the article:
During June, July, and August; the northern hemisphere is exposed to more direct sunlight because the northern hemisphere faces the sun. The same is true of the southern hemisphere in December, January, and February.
That is not completely correct. It's true that During June, July and August the northern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight, and that during December, January and February the southern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight. However, other months aren't mentioned, and one gets the impression that both hemispheres are exposed to the same amount of sunlight during other months. However, it can easily be seen that northern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight from spring equinox to fall equinox (from the second half of March to the second half of September), and tha the southern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight from fall equinox to spring equinox (from the second half of September to the second half of March). Thus, the northern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight in April, May, June, July, August and September, while the southern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight in October, November, December, January, February, and March. The insolation of the northern hemisphere peaks at the summer solstice (which coincides with beginning of astronomical Summer in the northern hemisphere), while the insolation of the southern hemisphere peaks at the winter solstice (which coincides with the beginning of astronomical Winter in the northern hemisphere), even though June and December aren't the hottest and the coldest month. I hope I pointed out the error clearly, and I'd like to suggest to the author of the piece of the article which I quoted above to correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stoko ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Reference [5] in is broken.
There is no supporting reference (citation) for the assertion (last sentence) "So, in meteorology for the Northern hemisphere: spring begins on 1 March, summer on 1 June, autumn on 1 September, and winter on 1 December", which seems to be attributed to the Societas Meteorologica Palatina, for which I notice there is a Wikipedia article in German. (If I had the time I would translate it; German is my second language.)
Simplifier ( talk) 13:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The article repeats the oft made reference in Australia to the country's "official" seasons. What makes them official? I have never seen any government publication that defines the dates. In my own curiosity about this I once asked the Bureau of Meteorology in writing and received no reply.
I contend that the dates are not official at all, just a convention. HiLo48 ( talk) 11:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised to see there's almost no discussion of the division of time into systems of seasons other than four, and in particular the wet/dry division that typifies much of the world's climate. (We have two seasons, wet and dry, where I live, and I live in the United States!) I think most of the article does a very good job, but the focus on temperate seasons is a pretty serious bias. We need an expert, or at least someone who knows more than I do, to write something about how seasons are divided into wet and dry. I've added the expert request tag in response to this specific concern; the rest of the article is, as I said, very good. Elliotreed 08:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm no expert on this, but I may have a link that will help, but it may also confuse things. See, by some reckonings, parts of Arizona (which per the page should fit into the hot rainy/dry distinction), have five seasons instead, and they don't fit the dichotomy on the page (Summer has two seasons, one dry, one wet; spring and autumn are both dry). I don't know if this helps, and I am too much of a lurker to do more than provide this, but here's more information: Seasons in the Arizona Upland. 174.18.126.224 ( talk) 19:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
"The commonly followed dates are as follows: 1st day of March, June, September and December for the start of Autumn, Winter, Spring and Summer, respectively."
Shouldn't the last part read "1st day of March, June, September, and December for the start of Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter?
The ellipse in the diagram in the astronomical subsection needs to be redrawn. The major axis of the ellipse should coincide with the line of apsides, not with the line of solstice. Also, the ellipse should be drawn "fat" enough that the perihelion, at one end of the major axis, is the closest point to the sun. See the article Apsis. Duoduoduo ( talk) 16:16, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I hope is good now. It was missing an ellipse.-- Gothika ( talk) 20:55, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Should the names of seasons be capitalised, as is the practice for the names of months? Danceswithzerglings ( talk) 19:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The 'tilt' of the Earth does not cause the seasons,'tilt' determines whether a planet experiences equatorial or polar conditions,with the Earth biased towards the equatorial end of the spectrum.The seasons are due to the specific way the Earth orbits the Sun,this conclusion is derived by modern means which uses the power of contemporary imaging and planetary comparisons http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/11/video/b Oriel36 ( talk) 12:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The easiest means to understand why the seasons happen is through the cause of the single daylight/darkness cycle at the geographical poles where daily rotation is absent or almost absent.At the equinoxes there is an orbital twilight or dawn where the geographical coordinates pass through the circle of illumination and those locations experience 6 months of daylight or 6 months of darkness.The cause of the seasons is that as the planet moves along its orbital circumference it does not keep the same orbital face to the Sun but changes it slowly through 360 degrees and that is why the polar twilight has its origins in the orbital motion of the Earth and not daily rotation . Once that single polar daylight/darkness cycle is explained through an actual cycle,specifically the Earth's orbital cycle,the same mechanism can then replace the old 'axial tilt' explanation for the seasons. Oriel36 ( talk) 16:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't know how that webpage got there but it has been removed.The 'orbital face' is an awkward expression and better to get rid of it,but the description would hold for the polar coordinates which basically pivot around in a circle over the course of an annual period hence the polar day/night cycle and at lower latitudes, when combined with daily rotation,the cause the seasonal temperature fluctuations and the other issue of variations in the natural noon cycle.The time lapse footage of Uranus showing,for convenience,a North/South component of daily rotation which run parallel with the equatorial ring and the East/West component where the planet turns to the central Sun - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/11/video/b/ .In short,too much information is being piled into right ascension which is blocking the introduction of a proper explanation for the seasons using an orbital cycle and its characteristic turning motion to the central Sun,in the Earth's case,from a point drawn through the center of the Earth from Arctic to Antarctic circles and coincident with the circle of illumination. Gkell1 ( talk) 19:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
The seasons or the annual fluctuations in temperature North and South of the daily rotational equator is best explained by considering the interaction between daily and orbital dynamics with special attention given to the orbital 'traveling' axis where a planet turns to the central Sun and best understood on Earth through the polar daylight/darkness cycle.Globally,the Earth has a largely equatorial climate as the relationship between the daily rotational axis and the orbital traveling axis is just over 23 degrees while Uranus has a polar climate as the daily rotational axis is almost 90 degrees in separation from the orbital axis - http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/Infrared/UranusAo/ur_time_2001_2005.jpg .The common ground between planets and their respective climates is the range and intensity of temperature swings as the planet orbits the Sun,the Earth having mostly equatorial climate features experiences mild swings over large areas of the planet compared to Uranus http://climateprediction.net/images/sci_images/annual.gif Gkell1 ( talk) 07:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
It seems over the last few years people have been trying to change the date that a season begins. This is especially true if an equinox or solstice falls late in the day. For example the March equinox recently fell on March 20, 2011 @ 23:21 UT. Since it was late in the day, many referred to March 21 as the first "full day" of the season. Not so: in the Gregorian calendar, the first day of a season is not required to be an integer - and never has been! The first day of a season is the date of the equinox or solstice. Nothing more - nothing less - no matter what local time it falls. So in this example the first "full day" of Spring for the Northern Hemisphere was March 20 - not the 21st. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.122.36 ( talk) 02:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Certainly -- just scan some of the headlines for March 21. (I'd provide links but Wikipedia won't accept shortened links from tinyURL or Bitly) Note the references to the first "full day" as if March 20 didn't count. I've seen this many times over the past couple of years in newspaper articles and blogs. (This of course applies to Temperate latitudes that follow the 'traditional' four seasons) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.122.36 ( talk) 15:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm talking about temperate areas that observe four seasons. Real Legitimate Official Authoritative source? I'll ignore Tamfang's insults here - The Julian & Gregorian calendars of course. If you don't believe me go read the papal bull "Inter gravissimas". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.122.36 ( talk) 00:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This is horses for courses and no need to fret over the start of the seasons.Those who live in areas of the world where there are large swings in temperature between summer and winter such as New York while the fluctuations between daylight and darkness is of less relevance will opt for the solstices and equinoxes as an anchor for when the seasons start and end while the Western isles of Europe where there are fairly large seasonal swings in daylight/darkness hours and not so much focus on temperature fluctuations,the beginning of the calendar months are most favorable given that it places December 21st roughly in the middle of winter.Astronomers work within more restrictive guidelines as the seasons are demarcated by hemispheres while the root cause of both daylight/darkness asymmetries and temperature fluctuations require global solutions and cannot be conveniently explained by hemispherical means.This issue is important for many reasons,not least the contentious issue of 'what is a planet' and why flexibility is required sometimes. Gkell1 ( talk) 07:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
This picture is located in the "traditional seasons" section, which refers to seasons in terms of insolation. However, the photo clearly denotes meteorological or phenological seasons, not insolational ones. It should be moved to either the meteorological or phenological section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.95.100.32 ( talk) 00:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
This section needs to be largely rewritten, since it implies that the thermal lag for continental climates is greater than for oceanic climates, when in fact it is the other way around! My guess is that the convention of starting seasons at the solstices and equinoxes began in (north?)western Europe (under which I include the British Isles), which has a more oceanic climate with greater thermal lag than most of North America because of the general west-to-east movement of air masses. The first paragraph could be repaired by replacing "continental" with "oceanic". The last sentence, however, is almost complete rubbish. To retain it in recognizable form it would have to look something like this:
The oceanic climate of the southern hemisphere produces a longer temperature lag; despite that, the start of each season is usually considered to be several weeks before the respective solstice or equinox in this hemisphere, as in some countries with continental climates and in cultures with Celtic roots.
There is also no citation for the first two sentences of the last paragraph.
Simplifier ( talk) 13:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't something about precession of the equinoxes be included here? I'd imagine that given the various cycles they'd be highly pertinent. John Riemann Soong 10:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC) I believe Fall is caused by Climate Change therefore we should stop driving so we will not have the climate always changing. Who needs the four seasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.166.202.59 ( talk) 20:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I split off some content from the article Solstice into a new article, Geocentric view of the seasons. The content also overlaps with a section in the article Equinox. I want to bring this to the attention of contributors to the Season article in case someone thinks a merge is desirable. Mathew5000 ( talk) 05:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
It is unhelpful as the 'Heliocentric view of the seasons' article doesn't reflect an accurate view of the seasons nor its cause.A recent and more reasoned approach does not dwell on the 'no tilt/no seasons' aspect but rather re-directs rotational inclination towards planetary climate as being equatorial,polar of somewhere in-between.For instance,the climate of Uranus is almost totally polar due to its inclination while the Earth has a largely equatorial climate hence the 'no tilt/no seasons' perspective fades into obscurity. Gkell1 ( talk) 13:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I've seen the third season is mostly being referred to as "autumn" (British) in this article (and the Latin term "autumnal"), but the term "fall" (American) was also used three times. This is confusing and following Wikipedia's policy on British/American English, we should stick with one of both. I've taken the liberty of removing the three instances of "fall", thus using British English.
Sorry to any Americans, and if you're going to contribute to the article, please use "autumn" for cohesion. 84.104.178.9 ( talk) 01:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
are not dealt with elsewhere on Wikipedia so if we're not going to treat it separately from Ireland (which we should), kindly maintain the anchor links provided, which allow searches and pages like Chinese season &c. to find this section easily. Feel free to add Japanese, Korean, and Viet forms of the names or fork off a new article for the set, but maintain the Chinese as the basis since that's what the other systems developed from in the first place. — LlywelynII 04:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Winter is the first season. dose march look like the first month too you? (-anonymous)
Hi, this is meant to be a comment, I do not want this to appear on the main page (I'm not too certain how Wikipedia works).
I live in Montreal, which is located in Koppen's Hemiboreal climate zone. I've always found that the traditional 4 seasons never fit Montreal's climate, and probably best fit the climate of Mediterranean Europe (esp. Greece and Italy). In Montreal, we realy have 6 seasons:
Winter is associated with heavy snow, and generally begins in mid-December and ends in late March or early April;
Then we have the Spring Melt season ("le dégel" in French), which lasts a few weeks and can occur anytime in March or April. This season is often associated with Spring flooding;
After that we have Spring which goes into mid-May or early June, which is the season when the leaves come out and the spring flowers bloom;
Summer is associated with hot weather, when you don't need to wear a jacket and it's warm enough to go swimming. This lasts from late June to late August or early September if you're lucky. Most people try to have a two to three week vacation during this period. Quebec's official construction holliday usually takes place during the last two weeks of July, which is the hottest time of year, and many people not part of the construction industry also take their vacations at the same time. In most offices, people take staggered vacations such that up to a quarter of personnel may be on vacation during this season;
Then you have a fall or harvest season, that starts in early September, and includes the leaves changing colour (which is especially dramatic in October)and falling. The beginning of this season is often called "la rentrée" in French, because that's when the school year begins and the new year also begins in entertainment and in politics. It's also the date when most people have taken their summer vacations, so offices are fully staffed again;
Finally you enter our 6th season, which I call the "Grey" season, in which most of the leaves have fallen, and we are waiting for the first major snow fall of Winter. This rather depressing period usually includes November and early December. It's often rainy and overcast;
This 6-season division is probably most appropriate for the Koppen Hemiboreal climate Zone. I believe it should be possible to define "natural" seasons for most climate zones that do not necessarily fit the traditional four seasons that best describe the climates of Southern and Western Europe.
Alex Plante, Montreal, Dec 22 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.238.101 ( talk) 12:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
This is also true for my climate (Madison, Wisconsin) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.87.84.237 ( talk) 23:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
It would be more appropriate to have models to scale, for science's sake. Thank you in advance. Backinstadiums ( talk) 13:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I cannot find these data to add to the article. Thank you in advance. Backinstadiums ( talk) 20:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
A friend of mine were pondering this question the other day, & like every other fact questions I encounter, I came to the internet for an answer to these questions: 1. Is "fall" the only season with two titles? 2. If so, why? This is not an earth shattering, life altering issue for me, but would be another bit of trivia for my cesspool(sp?) of useless information(Ha,Ha!) So, thanks to anyone for posting the answer to these questions. from Diane in Portland, OR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.253.69.167 ( talk) 20:45, 11 December 2005
There are many other uses of the word season, as can be seen from the page Season (disambiguation). I propose to promote that page to the neutral "Season" article name. The current "season" article should then be renamed to "Season (meteorology)". I suspect that many people landing at "Season" are looking for fashion, school, sport or other seasons. − Woodstone 13:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
There is an understandable geo-centric bias in the article, which considers only the earth as having seasons. Most, if not all planets do. I personally am not interested in seeing a lot of detail on the known seasons of other planets, but the lead, at least, should change to reflect a more general approach to seasonally-induced weather IMO. Student7 ( talk) 13:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
This mention seems either gratuitous or limited. Gratuitous in the sense that exceedingly few people coming to this page are looking for information on how Australian aboriginal people reckoned the seasons. Limited in the sense that it mentions just one alternative to the contemporary reckoning of seasons. It seems that instead of this off hand reference, there out to be a link to a page featuring "Seasons in Ancient Cultures". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.101.136.224 ( talk) 18:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, this edit established the usage of the page as American English. Kindly maintain that, pending a new consensus to the contrary. (Don't worry, Americans use autumn just fine and it should be preferred as a neutral term that both sides can understand easily.) — LlywelynII 13:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can tell it exactly matches the description under 'Meteorological'. -- pfctdayelise ( talk) 06:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I see that the sections Astronomical and Solar are subsections of Calendar, but are not determined by any calendar, so do not belong in the section. While Mixed Reckoning or its contents do belong to Calendar. Karl ( talk) 11:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Actually the full title of the Calendar section is Four-Season Calendar Reckoning, so perhaps a Four-Season section can contain all mentioned here Karl ( talk) 11:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Not sure Axial tilt causes the Seasons as in Britain why is Summers Night not colder that Winters Day?
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Following are the two types of motion of earth (No need to go in detail)
Both #1 and #2 are independent of each other.
For simplicity, lets the tilted axis of the earth remains vertical when the earth rotates and orbits around the sun. Thus days and nights are 12 hours each on the equator of the earth. Follow any point X (say Sunrise on Sep 22) on the equator of earth on the images of earth as shown in the diagram [The similar diagrams in sec 1.1 of the article do not match with the Google diagram for seasons on earth]
Bird’s Eye Observer of the diagram notices on point X
This means Sunrise and Sunset flip after every six months. The same explanation is also applied to sidereal time.
Similarly, if earth rotates once in about 24 hours with respect to the sun (Article of Wikipedia Earth's rotation, third paragraph) then
We have to adjust our clocks manually in either case but we don’t in our daily life - WHY? 50.66.1.32 ( talk) 03:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)EEK
Exactly on what specific point on spherical sun: any point will do, for example the very center. What do you mean by adjusting our clocks manually? We don't adjust clocks (apart from daylight saving time, which has nothing to do with these motions).
Solar day and sidereal day: Both the sun and the star are observed from earth while measuring the rotation of earth w.r.t the sun and star respectively – not from star/ bird eye
The sun doesn’t appear in the same position in the sky after every about 24 hours according to the above or following discrepancies, however, if it does then questions arise about the axial and orbital motion of the earth.
Let the sun is stationary at point “O” in an aforesaid diagram. Earth E which not only rotates about its axis but also revolves in its orbits around the sun. Spherical sun and earth E are divided into 4 equal parts of ABCD and PQRS respectively. Now on
March 21
Parts A&B of sun shine on P&Q of E
Parts C&D of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on P&Q of E while Night on R&S of E
June 21
Parts B&C of sun shine on Q&R of E
Parts D&A of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on Q&R of E while Night on S&P of E
Sep 22
Parts C&D of sun shine on R&S of E
Parts A&B of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on R&S of E while Night on P&Q of E
Dec 21
Parts D&A of sun shine on S&P of E
Parts B&C of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on S&P of E, Night on Q&R of E !!!! 50.66.1.32 ( talk) 12:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)Eclectic Eccentric Kamikaze
Here is the rough diagram which may help in understanding the aforesaid explanation if the arrow is followed as shown.
Conflict arises if clocks are adjusted relative to the sun and a star at the same time. Things are approximate for understanding purpose
1. Earth completes its rotation w.r.t sun in 24 hrs (approx.)
2. Earth completes its rotation w.r.t star in 23 hrs 56bmin
Difference in one complete rotation = 4 min
Both the solar noon and sidereal noon coincide on the equator of earth on March 01. Now
Relative to sun / clock adjusted w.r.t sun
March 01
Start a stopwatch at solar noon
Sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56min
Solar noon appears after about 24 hrs.
Difference = 4 min
March 02
Start a stopwatch watch again at solar noon
The fixed point of the sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56min but its not a real point anymore relative to star
Solar noon appears after about 24 hrs.
Relative to star/ clock adjusted w.r.t Star
March 01
Start a stopwatch at sidereal noon
Sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56 min
Solar noon appears after about 24 hrs.
Difference = 4 min
March 02
Start a stopwatch again at sidereal noon
Sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56min
The fixed point (24 hrs reference) of the solar noon appears after about 24 hrs but its not a real point anymore relative to sun
So this means we can’t adjust our clocks at the same time relative to sun and a star
(Above comments added by 50.66.1.32 who has asked at the Science Reference Desk and received answers there.)
Diagram was calculated (Abscisse: 21. of each month)
Calculation based on data published by Jones et al. [15] ]]
Can someone rewrite this? I
have corrected some parts.--
Adûnâi (
talk) 01:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Definition in 1rst sentence says "A season is a division of the year marked by changes in weather, ecology, and the amount of daylight." In the tropics there is no amount of daylight connected to seasons. It is basically about dry and wet seasons (and cooler and hotter, not depending on the small difference in daylight length). The article is biased -as mentioned before - to the situation in the temperate zones.
I am writing from Tanzania (-2 to -10 degrees). Difference in daylight is nearly 50 min in the south, in the north much less during the year. Seasons do not depend on this difference. So sentence 1 is wrong. The article needs a different approach. Kipala ( talk) 18:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Different aboriginal groups in Australia recognise up to 13 seasons a year depending on the region where they are from. I think that this should be noted in here somewhere.See:
http://www.deh.gov.au/parks/kakadu/artculture/seasons.html http://www.bom.gov.au/iwk/climate_culture/Indig_seasons.shtml http://www.stirling.au.com/educ/traditional_culture.pdf http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/indigenous/ http://home.vicnet.net.au/~herring/seasons.htm
Knobcheesedeluxe 23:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Why is there a division between cool dry season and hot dry season? I know it makes a difference, but there isn't any information, or articles.
I, of course, mean on the top navigation table. The one with all the seasons. 75.6.255.45 02:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
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The "reckoning" section describes the reckoning for the seasons at Denmark, USSR, Australia, UK, Ireland, traditional cultures (Northern hemisphere, East Asian, Irish), plus the Australian Arborigenes. It just misses describing it for the rest of the world... USA, Latin America, Africa and Europe. Also, no word about Mayas, Aztecs, Incas, Egyptian, Persians & other Near East cultures -- all of which acquired very sophisticated astronomical knowledge (and built huge pyramids and monumets) to track the seeasons. No word about Stonehenge either, or the other Neolithic monuments that helped track down the seasons. This is a good article, but overall I was a bit let down as I read it entirely and I still don't know when the seasons start in the USA... Thank you! ;^) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.135.58 ( talk) 22:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
whats up dogs —Preceding
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The diagram in the middle of the article shows northern and southern winters and springs, but has two southern falls and no southern summers. I imagine this is a mistake, if not there is no explaination of this in the article. Someone smarter than me should sort this out! NinjaKid ( talk) 14:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I am referring here actually two images North_seaosn.jpg and South_season.jpg. Caption of first image is
Diagram of the Earth's seasons as seen from the north. Far right: December solstice
and caption of second image is
Diagram of the Earth's seasons as seen from the south. Far left: June solstice
Direction of orbiting and spinning in lower image shown are wrong. In fact only one image would have suffice to explain scientific cause of season in both the hemisphere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pruthvi.vallabh ( talk • contribs) 17:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
This seems to be discussing same images used in the "equinox" and "solstice" pages, however, it must have been fixed because it now appears to be correct. 71.191.159.235 ( talk) 22:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
As of 15 May 2008 the article includes the following mutually incompatible statements:
"Seasonal weather differences between hemispheres are further caused by the elliptical orbit of Earth. Earth reaches perihelion (the point in its orbit closest to the Sun) in January, and it reaches aphelion (farthest point from the Sun) in July. Even though the effect this has on Earth's seasons is minor, it does noticeably soften the northern hemisphere's winters and summers. In the southern hemisphere, the opposite effect is observed."
"Compared to axial tilt, other factors contribute little to seasonal temperature changes. The seasons are not the result of the variation in Earth’s distance to the sun because of its elliptical orbit.[2] Orbital eccentricity can influence temperatures, but on Earth, this effect is small and is more than counteracted by other factors; research shows that the Earth as a whole is actually slightly warmer when farther from the sun.[3]"
Can anyone resolve this? Lfh ( talk) 18:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
This unsourced bit of history revision is at odds with a source at the bottom ( http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/161/is-it-true-summer-in-ireland-starts-may-1) and should be either cited or trashed. 68.211.234.224 ( talk) 16:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
The diagram in the astronomical section has the nearest/farthest points labelled as " periapsis" and "apoasis". First, note that "apoasis" is a typo; the correct spelling is "apoapsis". I would further suggest "perihelion" and "aphelion" are better terms, being equivalent terms that are both (a) better known and (b) specific to solar orbits rather than general ones. JulesH ( talk) 19:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I quote from the article:
During June, July, and August; the northern hemisphere is exposed to more direct sunlight because the northern hemisphere faces the sun. The same is true of the southern hemisphere in December, January, and February.
That is not completely correct. It's true that During June, July and August the northern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight, and that during December, January and February the southern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight. However, other months aren't mentioned, and one gets the impression that both hemispheres are exposed to the same amount of sunlight during other months. However, it can easily be seen that northern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight from spring equinox to fall equinox (from the second half of March to the second half of September), and tha the southern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight from fall equinox to spring equinox (from the second half of September to the second half of March). Thus, the northern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight in April, May, June, July, August and September, while the southern hemisphere is exposed to more sunlight in October, November, December, January, February, and March. The insolation of the northern hemisphere peaks at the summer solstice (which coincides with beginning of astronomical Summer in the northern hemisphere), while the insolation of the southern hemisphere peaks at the winter solstice (which coincides with the beginning of astronomical Winter in the northern hemisphere), even though June and December aren't the hottest and the coldest month. I hope I pointed out the error clearly, and I'd like to suggest to the author of the piece of the article which I quoted above to correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stoko ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Reference [5] in is broken.
There is no supporting reference (citation) for the assertion (last sentence) "So, in meteorology for the Northern hemisphere: spring begins on 1 March, summer on 1 June, autumn on 1 September, and winter on 1 December", which seems to be attributed to the Societas Meteorologica Palatina, for which I notice there is a Wikipedia article in German. (If I had the time I would translate it; German is my second language.)
Simplifier ( talk) 13:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The article repeats the oft made reference in Australia to the country's "official" seasons. What makes them official? I have never seen any government publication that defines the dates. In my own curiosity about this I once asked the Bureau of Meteorology in writing and received no reply.
I contend that the dates are not official at all, just a convention. HiLo48 ( talk) 11:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised to see there's almost no discussion of the division of time into systems of seasons other than four, and in particular the wet/dry division that typifies much of the world's climate. (We have two seasons, wet and dry, where I live, and I live in the United States!) I think most of the article does a very good job, but the focus on temperate seasons is a pretty serious bias. We need an expert, or at least someone who knows more than I do, to write something about how seasons are divided into wet and dry. I've added the expert request tag in response to this specific concern; the rest of the article is, as I said, very good. Elliotreed 08:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm no expert on this, but I may have a link that will help, but it may also confuse things. See, by some reckonings, parts of Arizona (which per the page should fit into the hot rainy/dry distinction), have five seasons instead, and they don't fit the dichotomy on the page (Summer has two seasons, one dry, one wet; spring and autumn are both dry). I don't know if this helps, and I am too much of a lurker to do more than provide this, but here's more information: Seasons in the Arizona Upland. 174.18.126.224 ( talk) 19:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
"The commonly followed dates are as follows: 1st day of March, June, September and December for the start of Autumn, Winter, Spring and Summer, respectively."
Shouldn't the last part read "1st day of March, June, September, and December for the start of Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter?
The ellipse in the diagram in the astronomical subsection needs to be redrawn. The major axis of the ellipse should coincide with the line of apsides, not with the line of solstice. Also, the ellipse should be drawn "fat" enough that the perihelion, at one end of the major axis, is the closest point to the sun. See the article Apsis. Duoduoduo ( talk) 16:16, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I hope is good now. It was missing an ellipse.-- Gothika ( talk) 20:55, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Should the names of seasons be capitalised, as is the practice for the names of months? Danceswithzerglings ( talk) 19:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The 'tilt' of the Earth does not cause the seasons,'tilt' determines whether a planet experiences equatorial or polar conditions,with the Earth biased towards the equatorial end of the spectrum.The seasons are due to the specific way the Earth orbits the Sun,this conclusion is derived by modern means which uses the power of contemporary imaging and planetary comparisons http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/11/video/b Oriel36 ( talk) 12:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The easiest means to understand why the seasons happen is through the cause of the single daylight/darkness cycle at the geographical poles where daily rotation is absent or almost absent.At the equinoxes there is an orbital twilight or dawn where the geographical coordinates pass through the circle of illumination and those locations experience 6 months of daylight or 6 months of darkness.The cause of the seasons is that as the planet moves along its orbital circumference it does not keep the same orbital face to the Sun but changes it slowly through 360 degrees and that is why the polar twilight has its origins in the orbital motion of the Earth and not daily rotation . Once that single polar daylight/darkness cycle is explained through an actual cycle,specifically the Earth's orbital cycle,the same mechanism can then replace the old 'axial tilt' explanation for the seasons. Oriel36 ( talk) 16:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't know how that webpage got there but it has been removed.The 'orbital face' is an awkward expression and better to get rid of it,but the description would hold for the polar coordinates which basically pivot around in a circle over the course of an annual period hence the polar day/night cycle and at lower latitudes, when combined with daily rotation,the cause the seasonal temperature fluctuations and the other issue of variations in the natural noon cycle.The time lapse footage of Uranus showing,for convenience,a North/South component of daily rotation which run parallel with the equatorial ring and the East/West component where the planet turns to the central Sun - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/11/video/b/ .In short,too much information is being piled into right ascension which is blocking the introduction of a proper explanation for the seasons using an orbital cycle and its characteristic turning motion to the central Sun,in the Earth's case,from a point drawn through the center of the Earth from Arctic to Antarctic circles and coincident with the circle of illumination. Gkell1 ( talk) 19:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
The seasons or the annual fluctuations in temperature North and South of the daily rotational equator is best explained by considering the interaction between daily and orbital dynamics with special attention given to the orbital 'traveling' axis where a planet turns to the central Sun and best understood on Earth through the polar daylight/darkness cycle.Globally,the Earth has a largely equatorial climate as the relationship between the daily rotational axis and the orbital traveling axis is just over 23 degrees while Uranus has a polar climate as the daily rotational axis is almost 90 degrees in separation from the orbital axis - http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/Infrared/UranusAo/ur_time_2001_2005.jpg .The common ground between planets and their respective climates is the range and intensity of temperature swings as the planet orbits the Sun,the Earth having mostly equatorial climate features experiences mild swings over large areas of the planet compared to Uranus http://climateprediction.net/images/sci_images/annual.gif Gkell1 ( talk) 07:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
It seems over the last few years people have been trying to change the date that a season begins. This is especially true if an equinox or solstice falls late in the day. For example the March equinox recently fell on March 20, 2011 @ 23:21 UT. Since it was late in the day, many referred to March 21 as the first "full day" of the season. Not so: in the Gregorian calendar, the first day of a season is not required to be an integer - and never has been! The first day of a season is the date of the equinox or solstice. Nothing more - nothing less - no matter what local time it falls. So in this example the first "full day" of Spring for the Northern Hemisphere was March 20 - not the 21st. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.122.36 ( talk) 02:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Certainly -- just scan some of the headlines for March 21. (I'd provide links but Wikipedia won't accept shortened links from tinyURL or Bitly) Note the references to the first "full day" as if March 20 didn't count. I've seen this many times over the past couple of years in newspaper articles and blogs. (This of course applies to Temperate latitudes that follow the 'traditional' four seasons) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.122.36 ( talk) 15:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm talking about temperate areas that observe four seasons. Real Legitimate Official Authoritative source? I'll ignore Tamfang's insults here - The Julian & Gregorian calendars of course. If you don't believe me go read the papal bull "Inter gravissimas". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.122.36 ( talk) 00:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This is horses for courses and no need to fret over the start of the seasons.Those who live in areas of the world where there are large swings in temperature between summer and winter such as New York while the fluctuations between daylight and darkness is of less relevance will opt for the solstices and equinoxes as an anchor for when the seasons start and end while the Western isles of Europe where there are fairly large seasonal swings in daylight/darkness hours and not so much focus on temperature fluctuations,the beginning of the calendar months are most favorable given that it places December 21st roughly in the middle of winter.Astronomers work within more restrictive guidelines as the seasons are demarcated by hemispheres while the root cause of both daylight/darkness asymmetries and temperature fluctuations require global solutions and cannot be conveniently explained by hemispherical means.This issue is important for many reasons,not least the contentious issue of 'what is a planet' and why flexibility is required sometimes. Gkell1 ( talk) 07:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
This picture is located in the "traditional seasons" section, which refers to seasons in terms of insolation. However, the photo clearly denotes meteorological or phenological seasons, not insolational ones. It should be moved to either the meteorological or phenological section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.95.100.32 ( talk) 00:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
This section needs to be largely rewritten, since it implies that the thermal lag for continental climates is greater than for oceanic climates, when in fact it is the other way around! My guess is that the convention of starting seasons at the solstices and equinoxes began in (north?)western Europe (under which I include the British Isles), which has a more oceanic climate with greater thermal lag than most of North America because of the general west-to-east movement of air masses. The first paragraph could be repaired by replacing "continental" with "oceanic". The last sentence, however, is almost complete rubbish. To retain it in recognizable form it would have to look something like this:
The oceanic climate of the southern hemisphere produces a longer temperature lag; despite that, the start of each season is usually considered to be several weeks before the respective solstice or equinox in this hemisphere, as in some countries with continental climates and in cultures with Celtic roots.
There is also no citation for the first two sentences of the last paragraph.
Simplifier ( talk) 13:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't something about precession of the equinoxes be included here? I'd imagine that given the various cycles they'd be highly pertinent. John Riemann Soong 10:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC) I believe Fall is caused by Climate Change therefore we should stop driving so we will not have the climate always changing. Who needs the four seasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.166.202.59 ( talk) 20:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I split off some content from the article Solstice into a new article, Geocentric view of the seasons. The content also overlaps with a section in the article Equinox. I want to bring this to the attention of contributors to the Season article in case someone thinks a merge is desirable. Mathew5000 ( talk) 05:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
It is unhelpful as the 'Heliocentric view of the seasons' article doesn't reflect an accurate view of the seasons nor its cause.A recent and more reasoned approach does not dwell on the 'no tilt/no seasons' aspect but rather re-directs rotational inclination towards planetary climate as being equatorial,polar of somewhere in-between.For instance,the climate of Uranus is almost totally polar due to its inclination while the Earth has a largely equatorial climate hence the 'no tilt/no seasons' perspective fades into obscurity. Gkell1 ( talk) 13:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I've seen the third season is mostly being referred to as "autumn" (British) in this article (and the Latin term "autumnal"), but the term "fall" (American) was also used three times. This is confusing and following Wikipedia's policy on British/American English, we should stick with one of both. I've taken the liberty of removing the three instances of "fall", thus using British English.
Sorry to any Americans, and if you're going to contribute to the article, please use "autumn" for cohesion. 84.104.178.9 ( talk) 01:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
are not dealt with elsewhere on Wikipedia so if we're not going to treat it separately from Ireland (which we should), kindly maintain the anchor links provided, which allow searches and pages like Chinese season &c. to find this section easily. Feel free to add Japanese, Korean, and Viet forms of the names or fork off a new article for the set, but maintain the Chinese as the basis since that's what the other systems developed from in the first place. — LlywelynII 04:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Winter is the first season. dose march look like the first month too you? (-anonymous)
Hi, this is meant to be a comment, I do not want this to appear on the main page (I'm not too certain how Wikipedia works).
I live in Montreal, which is located in Koppen's Hemiboreal climate zone. I've always found that the traditional 4 seasons never fit Montreal's climate, and probably best fit the climate of Mediterranean Europe (esp. Greece and Italy). In Montreal, we realy have 6 seasons:
Winter is associated with heavy snow, and generally begins in mid-December and ends in late March or early April;
Then we have the Spring Melt season ("le dégel" in French), which lasts a few weeks and can occur anytime in March or April. This season is often associated with Spring flooding;
After that we have Spring which goes into mid-May or early June, which is the season when the leaves come out and the spring flowers bloom;
Summer is associated with hot weather, when you don't need to wear a jacket and it's warm enough to go swimming. This lasts from late June to late August or early September if you're lucky. Most people try to have a two to three week vacation during this period. Quebec's official construction holliday usually takes place during the last two weeks of July, which is the hottest time of year, and many people not part of the construction industry also take their vacations at the same time. In most offices, people take staggered vacations such that up to a quarter of personnel may be on vacation during this season;
Then you have a fall or harvest season, that starts in early September, and includes the leaves changing colour (which is especially dramatic in October)and falling. The beginning of this season is often called "la rentrée" in French, because that's when the school year begins and the new year also begins in entertainment and in politics. It's also the date when most people have taken their summer vacations, so offices are fully staffed again;
Finally you enter our 6th season, which I call the "Grey" season, in which most of the leaves have fallen, and we are waiting for the first major snow fall of Winter. This rather depressing period usually includes November and early December. It's often rainy and overcast;
This 6-season division is probably most appropriate for the Koppen Hemiboreal climate Zone. I believe it should be possible to define "natural" seasons for most climate zones that do not necessarily fit the traditional four seasons that best describe the climates of Southern and Western Europe.
Alex Plante, Montreal, Dec 22 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.238.101 ( talk) 12:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
This is also true for my climate (Madison, Wisconsin) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.87.84.237 ( talk) 23:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
It would be more appropriate to have models to scale, for science's sake. Thank you in advance. Backinstadiums ( talk) 13:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I cannot find these data to add to the article. Thank you in advance. Backinstadiums ( talk) 20:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
A friend of mine were pondering this question the other day, & like every other fact questions I encounter, I came to the internet for an answer to these questions: 1. Is "fall" the only season with two titles? 2. If so, why? This is not an earth shattering, life altering issue for me, but would be another bit of trivia for my cesspool(sp?) of useless information(Ha,Ha!) So, thanks to anyone for posting the answer to these questions. from Diane in Portland, OR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.253.69.167 ( talk) 20:45, 11 December 2005
There are many other uses of the word season, as can be seen from the page Season (disambiguation). I propose to promote that page to the neutral "Season" article name. The current "season" article should then be renamed to "Season (meteorology)". I suspect that many people landing at "Season" are looking for fashion, school, sport or other seasons. − Woodstone 13:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
There is an understandable geo-centric bias in the article, which considers only the earth as having seasons. Most, if not all planets do. I personally am not interested in seeing a lot of detail on the known seasons of other planets, but the lead, at least, should change to reflect a more general approach to seasonally-induced weather IMO. Student7 ( talk) 13:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
This mention seems either gratuitous or limited. Gratuitous in the sense that exceedingly few people coming to this page are looking for information on how Australian aboriginal people reckoned the seasons. Limited in the sense that it mentions just one alternative to the contemporary reckoning of seasons. It seems that instead of this off hand reference, there out to be a link to a page featuring "Seasons in Ancient Cultures". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.101.136.224 ( talk) 18:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, this edit established the usage of the page as American English. Kindly maintain that, pending a new consensus to the contrary. (Don't worry, Americans use autumn just fine and it should be preferred as a neutral term that both sides can understand easily.) — LlywelynII 13:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can tell it exactly matches the description under 'Meteorological'. -- pfctdayelise ( talk) 06:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I see that the sections Astronomical and Solar are subsections of Calendar, but are not determined by any calendar, so do not belong in the section. While Mixed Reckoning or its contents do belong to Calendar. Karl ( talk) 11:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Actually the full title of the Calendar section is Four-Season Calendar Reckoning, so perhaps a Four-Season section can contain all mentioned here Karl ( talk) 11:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Not sure Axial tilt causes the Seasons as in Britain why is Summers Night not colder that Winters Day?
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Following are the two types of motion of earth (No need to go in detail)
Both #1 and #2 are independent of each other.
For simplicity, lets the tilted axis of the earth remains vertical when the earth rotates and orbits around the sun. Thus days and nights are 12 hours each on the equator of the earth. Follow any point X (say Sunrise on Sep 22) on the equator of earth on the images of earth as shown in the diagram [The similar diagrams in sec 1.1 of the article do not match with the Google diagram for seasons on earth]
Bird’s Eye Observer of the diagram notices on point X
This means Sunrise and Sunset flip after every six months. The same explanation is also applied to sidereal time.
Similarly, if earth rotates once in about 24 hours with respect to the sun (Article of Wikipedia Earth's rotation, third paragraph) then
We have to adjust our clocks manually in either case but we don’t in our daily life - WHY? 50.66.1.32 ( talk) 03:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)EEK
Exactly on what specific point on spherical sun: any point will do, for example the very center. What do you mean by adjusting our clocks manually? We don't adjust clocks (apart from daylight saving time, which has nothing to do with these motions).
Solar day and sidereal day: Both the sun and the star are observed from earth while measuring the rotation of earth w.r.t the sun and star respectively – not from star/ bird eye
The sun doesn’t appear in the same position in the sky after every about 24 hours according to the above or following discrepancies, however, if it does then questions arise about the axial and orbital motion of the earth.
Let the sun is stationary at point “O” in an aforesaid diagram. Earth E which not only rotates about its axis but also revolves in its orbits around the sun. Spherical sun and earth E are divided into 4 equal parts of ABCD and PQRS respectively. Now on
March 21
Parts A&B of sun shine on P&Q of E
Parts C&D of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on P&Q of E while Night on R&S of E
June 21
Parts B&C of sun shine on Q&R of E
Parts D&A of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on Q&R of E while Night on S&P of E
Sep 22
Parts C&D of sun shine on R&S of E
Parts A&B of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on R&S of E while Night on P&Q of E
Dec 21
Parts D&A of sun shine on S&P of E
Parts B&C of sun can’t be seen from E
Day on S&P of E, Night on Q&R of E !!!! 50.66.1.32 ( talk) 12:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)Eclectic Eccentric Kamikaze
Here is the rough diagram which may help in understanding the aforesaid explanation if the arrow is followed as shown.
Conflict arises if clocks are adjusted relative to the sun and a star at the same time. Things are approximate for understanding purpose
1. Earth completes its rotation w.r.t sun in 24 hrs (approx.)
2. Earth completes its rotation w.r.t star in 23 hrs 56bmin
Difference in one complete rotation = 4 min
Both the solar noon and sidereal noon coincide on the equator of earth on March 01. Now
Relative to sun / clock adjusted w.r.t sun
March 01
Start a stopwatch at solar noon
Sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56min
Solar noon appears after about 24 hrs.
Difference = 4 min
March 02
Start a stopwatch watch again at solar noon
The fixed point of the sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56min but its not a real point anymore relative to star
Solar noon appears after about 24 hrs.
Relative to star/ clock adjusted w.r.t Star
March 01
Start a stopwatch at sidereal noon
Sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56 min
Solar noon appears after about 24 hrs.
Difference = 4 min
March 02
Start a stopwatch again at sidereal noon
Sidereal noon appears after 23 min 56min
The fixed point (24 hrs reference) of the solar noon appears after about 24 hrs but its not a real point anymore relative to sun
So this means we can’t adjust our clocks at the same time relative to sun and a star
(Above comments added by 50.66.1.32 who has asked at the Science Reference Desk and received answers there.)
Diagram was calculated (Abscisse: 21. of each month)
Calculation based on data published by Jones et al. [15] ]]
Can someone rewrite this? I
have corrected some parts.--
Adûnâi (
talk) 01:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Definition in 1rst sentence says "A season is a division of the year marked by changes in weather, ecology, and the amount of daylight." In the tropics there is no amount of daylight connected to seasons. It is basically about dry and wet seasons (and cooler and hotter, not depending on the small difference in daylight length). The article is biased -as mentioned before - to the situation in the temperate zones.
I am writing from Tanzania (-2 to -10 degrees). Difference in daylight is nearly 50 min in the south, in the north much less during the year. Seasons do not depend on this difference. So sentence 1 is wrong. The article needs a different approach. Kipala ( talk) 18:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)