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It's printed all over the census map. What is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.246.212.247 ( talk) 12:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
is it true that the rocks for the walls came from the building of the Holland and Lincoln tunnels? If so, this is a very interesting fact and should be added to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.237.95 ( talk) 12:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The Mormon connection proposed is completely speculative, completely unsourced, and published in a Mormon-oriented publication. The fishing village dates back to when Smith was...15, by the look of it. (About 50 years old in 1868, according to Harper's.) Anmccaff ( talk) 14:58, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
PS:Adding a wiki-circular cite does not help. Anmccaff ( talk) 15:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Now it's two wiki-circular cites.... Anmccaff ( talk) 15:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Settlement in the area of Sea Bright began in the early 1840s, with a fishing community of simple shacks near the beach dunes that was called “Nauvoo”. While many local historians had interpreted the name as a Native American word, the origin of “Nauvoo” is Sephardic Hebrew, from the same word that Mormon leader Joseph Smith gave to the Illinois town he founded in 1839. Meaning literally “beautiful or pleasant place,” New Jersey’s Nauvoo might well have been named by Smith, as he visited Monmouth County in 1840.(Capture from 30 Nov 2016.)
Alansohn (talk. Uncited, let's take another look then,, on the archived city cite.
Long an enigma to local historians and often misinterpreted as an Indian word, the origin of "Nauvoo" is Sephardic Hebrew. It is clearly the same word that Mormon leader Joseph Smith gave to the Illinois town he founded in 1839. Meaning literally "beautiful of pleasant place," Nauvoo (N.J.) might well have been named by Smith as he visited Monmouth County in 1839. In an event, moved by Mormon influence, Nauvoo was the name chosen by local fisherman for their tiny settlement on the Jersey Coast.
One of the earliest accounts of the barrier beach, published a dozen years before Sea Bright's existence, describes a steamboat journey from New York to the Ocean House, a low rambling wooden structure situated on the beach opposite the mouth of the Navesink River. Built in 1842, this first hotel on the sandy strip offered "excellent fishing, fine sea bathing and capital accomodations" for three hundred patrons. At the Ocean House one "found a number of beach carriages", as they are called, awaiting the arrival of the boat from New York to take passengers to Long Branch.
Sea Bright is about four feet above sea level and is protected on the seaward side by an 11-foot-high stone wall along the sand dunes. Long ago, the Indians called it Nauvoo, which means bright sea. [The late Monmouth County historian, George H. Moss, Jr., in his book Another Look at Nauvoo to the Hook (1990) stated that Nauvoo was not an Indian word but Sephardic Hebrew, meaning “beautiful or pleasant place,” and that it might have been named by Mormon leader Joseph Smith who visited Monmouth County in 1839 and used the same name for the town he founded in Illinois.] After the Battle of Monmouth, the British retreated this way and fled on ships anchored in Sandy Hook Bay. One of their sloops foundered in a storm. It had 100,000 pounds sterling aboard and, in the 1930s, a little girl digging in the sand came up with six gold coins in the image of George III.
The earliest non-Mormon use of Nauvoo is in reference to a small fishing village of about 50 men and boys in Monmouth County on the New Jersey shore (now a part of Sea Bright). Although direct evidence is thus far lacking, this Nauvoo was most likely the result of a missionary trip by Joseph Smith and Orson Pratt into Monmouth County from Philadelphia during January 1840.
rebut the claim about the derivation of Nauvoo from Hebrew; Fawn Brodie did it years ago. The current "Sephardic Hebrew" canard was the Mormon response; it's possible, but it is at least equally possible that Joe Smith, like some other people around this subject, was just making stuff up, and the later search for an etymon was just damage control. Anmccaff ( talk) 21:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
..you wrote, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), yet you just did the opposite, restoring a version which ignored a major historian (and Seabright resident), Jim Bishop. Bishop disagreed both on the source of the town name and the meaning of "Nauvoo."
Regarding the plagiarism or self-sourcing, if you believe that two pieces of writing will often separately evolve to the same form, right down to a shared misspelling, that is, I suppose your right, but don't expect too many people to agree with you. Anmccaff ( talk) 05:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
This cite Sea Bright, Rumson Road, Oceanic, Monmouth Beach, Atlantic Highlands, Leonardville Road, Navesink, Water Witch Club : concerning summer homes along the shores of Monmouth County, New Jersey, published in 1903 by the Sea Bright Sentinel, gives the following::
SEA BRIGHT is a name that often stands for more than the
incorporated borough. Parts of Rumson Road and
Monmouth Beach are commonly referred to as Sea
Bright, for the borough is a center for a larger outlying com-
munity which may be naturally and properly included in
Greater Sea Bright.
The Sea Bright postoffice serves Rumson Road residents and also Nortli Monmouth Beach. Having its postal address and depending upon its stores and business men for constant service the distinction between Sea Bright and Rumson Road and Monmouth Beach becomes one of sectional division mere- ly — all are properly parts of Greater Sea Bright.
The Golf Club, Polo Grounds and Tennis Clubhouse are all on Rumson Road, and are yet equally Sea Bright enterprises.
Whence the name Sea Bright? It was bestowed by a woman, Mrs. Martha Stevens, of Castle Point, Hoboken. Mrs. Stevens was one of the first comers. Mr. M. Paul, also a first comer, suggested the name, St. Paul-on-the-Shrewsbury, but was voted down in favor of Mrs. Stevens' suggestion by his associates, Messrs. Shippen and Dod.
That's the person known to Wiki as Martha Bayard Stevens, she of the Stevens Institute. She was not a person averse to property development. Anmccaff ( talk) 06:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thinly veiled vandalism. Anmccaff ( talk) 15:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Template:Dubious is clear that these tags, when used in articles, should be discussed at the corresponding talk page. I removed the claim that "the only contemporaneous source mentioned here suggests it was decades earlier." The article had been changed to state that before Ocean House opened in 1842, the area was a simple fishing community; there's is no statement about earliest settlement, which was removed to address your concerns, real or imagined. I'm not sure that there is any contemporary source that contradicts that claim. If you are talking about earliest settlement and have a reliable, verifiable, contemporaneous and utterly unimpeachable source, why not add it to the article. Alansohn ( talk) 04:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
The city of the Mormons; or, Three days at Nauvoo in 1842 By Henry Caswall
...according to which, in 1842, Smith was unable to read some Greek script, claiming it was "Egyptian." Anmccaff ( talk) 17:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
No "synthesis" in the wikipedian sense, is involved; we have an official LDS publication making the claim, and we have a "fawn+brodie"+etymology+nauvoo very, very, famous historiographic episode explaining the cobbled-up etymology seen here. Anmccaff ( talk) 04:21, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
To add bullshit to the egregious problems here is the claim made in this edit, that a source from The New York Times "Appears to be a cite based on Wiki itself" and should be removed. The editor who removed the material here fails to realize that the source from The Times -- "In the Region/New Jersey; 20 Million-Dollar Homes Planned in Sea Bright" -- is dated March 21, 2004.
By that date, the Sea Bright article had two edits. Click here to see what the article looked like in March 2004 and let me know which part of the newspaper article was copied from Wikipedia. Alansohn ( talk) 16:24, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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It's printed all over the census map. What is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.246.212.247 ( talk) 12:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
is it true that the rocks for the walls came from the building of the Holland and Lincoln tunnels? If so, this is a very interesting fact and should be added to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.237.95 ( talk) 12:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The Mormon connection proposed is completely speculative, completely unsourced, and published in a Mormon-oriented publication. The fishing village dates back to when Smith was...15, by the look of it. (About 50 years old in 1868, according to Harper's.) Anmccaff ( talk) 14:58, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
PS:Adding a wiki-circular cite does not help. Anmccaff ( talk) 15:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Now it's two wiki-circular cites.... Anmccaff ( talk) 15:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Settlement in the area of Sea Bright began in the early 1840s, with a fishing community of simple shacks near the beach dunes that was called “Nauvoo”. While many local historians had interpreted the name as a Native American word, the origin of “Nauvoo” is Sephardic Hebrew, from the same word that Mormon leader Joseph Smith gave to the Illinois town he founded in 1839. Meaning literally “beautiful or pleasant place,” New Jersey’s Nauvoo might well have been named by Smith, as he visited Monmouth County in 1840.(Capture from 30 Nov 2016.)
Alansohn (talk. Uncited, let's take another look then,, on the archived city cite.
Long an enigma to local historians and often misinterpreted as an Indian word, the origin of "Nauvoo" is Sephardic Hebrew. It is clearly the same word that Mormon leader Joseph Smith gave to the Illinois town he founded in 1839. Meaning literally "beautiful of pleasant place," Nauvoo (N.J.) might well have been named by Smith as he visited Monmouth County in 1839. In an event, moved by Mormon influence, Nauvoo was the name chosen by local fisherman for their tiny settlement on the Jersey Coast.
One of the earliest accounts of the barrier beach, published a dozen years before Sea Bright's existence, describes a steamboat journey from New York to the Ocean House, a low rambling wooden structure situated on the beach opposite the mouth of the Navesink River. Built in 1842, this first hotel on the sandy strip offered "excellent fishing, fine sea bathing and capital accomodations" for three hundred patrons. At the Ocean House one "found a number of beach carriages", as they are called, awaiting the arrival of the boat from New York to take passengers to Long Branch.
Sea Bright is about four feet above sea level and is protected on the seaward side by an 11-foot-high stone wall along the sand dunes. Long ago, the Indians called it Nauvoo, which means bright sea. [The late Monmouth County historian, George H. Moss, Jr., in his book Another Look at Nauvoo to the Hook (1990) stated that Nauvoo was not an Indian word but Sephardic Hebrew, meaning “beautiful or pleasant place,” and that it might have been named by Mormon leader Joseph Smith who visited Monmouth County in 1839 and used the same name for the town he founded in Illinois.] After the Battle of Monmouth, the British retreated this way and fled on ships anchored in Sandy Hook Bay. One of their sloops foundered in a storm. It had 100,000 pounds sterling aboard and, in the 1930s, a little girl digging in the sand came up with six gold coins in the image of George III.
The earliest non-Mormon use of Nauvoo is in reference to a small fishing village of about 50 men and boys in Monmouth County on the New Jersey shore (now a part of Sea Bright). Although direct evidence is thus far lacking, this Nauvoo was most likely the result of a missionary trip by Joseph Smith and Orson Pratt into Monmouth County from Philadelphia during January 1840.
rebut the claim about the derivation of Nauvoo from Hebrew; Fawn Brodie did it years ago. The current "Sephardic Hebrew" canard was the Mormon response; it's possible, but it is at least equally possible that Joe Smith, like some other people around this subject, was just making stuff up, and the later search for an etymon was just damage control. Anmccaff ( talk) 21:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
..you wrote, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), yet you just did the opposite, restoring a version which ignored a major historian (and Seabright resident), Jim Bishop. Bishop disagreed both on the source of the town name and the meaning of "Nauvoo."
Regarding the plagiarism or self-sourcing, if you believe that two pieces of writing will often separately evolve to the same form, right down to a shared misspelling, that is, I suppose your right, but don't expect too many people to agree with you. Anmccaff ( talk) 05:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
This cite Sea Bright, Rumson Road, Oceanic, Monmouth Beach, Atlantic Highlands, Leonardville Road, Navesink, Water Witch Club : concerning summer homes along the shores of Monmouth County, New Jersey, published in 1903 by the Sea Bright Sentinel, gives the following::
SEA BRIGHT is a name that often stands for more than the
incorporated borough. Parts of Rumson Road and
Monmouth Beach are commonly referred to as Sea
Bright, for the borough is a center for a larger outlying com-
munity which may be naturally and properly included in
Greater Sea Bright.
The Sea Bright postoffice serves Rumson Road residents and also Nortli Monmouth Beach. Having its postal address and depending upon its stores and business men for constant service the distinction between Sea Bright and Rumson Road and Monmouth Beach becomes one of sectional division mere- ly — all are properly parts of Greater Sea Bright.
The Golf Club, Polo Grounds and Tennis Clubhouse are all on Rumson Road, and are yet equally Sea Bright enterprises.
Whence the name Sea Bright? It was bestowed by a woman, Mrs. Martha Stevens, of Castle Point, Hoboken. Mrs. Stevens was one of the first comers. Mr. M. Paul, also a first comer, suggested the name, St. Paul-on-the-Shrewsbury, but was voted down in favor of Mrs. Stevens' suggestion by his associates, Messrs. Shippen and Dod.
That's the person known to Wiki as Martha Bayard Stevens, she of the Stevens Institute. She was not a person averse to property development. Anmccaff ( talk) 06:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thinly veiled vandalism. Anmccaff ( talk) 15:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Template:Dubious is clear that these tags, when used in articles, should be discussed at the corresponding talk page. I removed the claim that "the only contemporaneous source mentioned here suggests it was decades earlier." The article had been changed to state that before Ocean House opened in 1842, the area was a simple fishing community; there's is no statement about earliest settlement, which was removed to address your concerns, real or imagined. I'm not sure that there is any contemporary source that contradicts that claim. If you are talking about earliest settlement and have a reliable, verifiable, contemporaneous and utterly unimpeachable source, why not add it to the article. Alansohn ( talk) 04:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
The city of the Mormons; or, Three days at Nauvoo in 1842 By Henry Caswall
...according to which, in 1842, Smith was unable to read some Greek script, claiming it was "Egyptian." Anmccaff ( talk) 17:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
No "synthesis" in the wikipedian sense, is involved; we have an official LDS publication making the claim, and we have a "fawn+brodie"+etymology+nauvoo very, very, famous historiographic episode explaining the cobbled-up etymology seen here. Anmccaff ( talk) 04:21, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
To add bullshit to the egregious problems here is the claim made in this edit, that a source from The New York Times "Appears to be a cite based on Wiki itself" and should be removed. The editor who removed the material here fails to realize that the source from The Times -- "In the Region/New Jersey; 20 Million-Dollar Homes Planned in Sea Bright" -- is dated March 21, 2004.
By that date, the Sea Bright article had two edits. Click here to see what the article looked like in March 2004 and let me know which part of the newspaper article was copied from Wikipedia. Alansohn ( talk) 16:24, 30 May 2017 (UTC)