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Does anyone have qualms with me removing the three instances of "Scots" in a row in the first sentence to reduce redundancies? As it currently reads: Scots (Scots: Scots; Scottish Gaelic: Albais/Beurla Ghallda) is a West Germanic language variety
, when we could just have Scots (Scottish Gaelic: Albais/Beurla Ghallda) is a West Germanic language variety
.
Wolfdog (
talk) 11:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Scots ( endonym: Scots; Scottish Gaelic: Albais/Beurla Ghallda) ...? – Austronesier ( talk) 12:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Erm.. not directly about there being three but.. 'Beurla Ghallda' from looking around it means to 'speak with foreign tongue'.. yes that's original research and I am not going to change it myself, but couldn't that apply to any foreign language? Google translates 'Berula' as 'English'.. so is it a slight against the Scots language and so would be disqualified as hate speech on wikipedia. just some thoughts there.
Dava4444 ( talk) 17:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Should it actually be classified as an indigenous language when it came from german settlers? Shouldn't the indigenous language be a celtic language like Gaelic? Malcolmmwa ( talk) 00:39, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Agtx: Hi, I'm not sure what your problem was with my edit. Your criticism doesn't make sense to me. I never changed how language was or wasn't used in the lead sentence. All I did was specify the type of West Germanic variety to make the connection to English clearer. Wolfdog ( talk) 21:53, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
The second sentence of the lead section reads It is sometimes called Lowland Scots or Broad Scots to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic, the Goidelic Celtic language that was historically restricted to most of the Highlands, the Hebrides and Galloway after the 16th century.
It strikes me as odd that we are so quickly taking time to define a topic that is NOT the focus of this page. Can anyone instead specify here where Scots is spoken rather than where Gaelic is spoken, which isn't particularly relevant. If Scots is indeed common throughout the entire nation of Scotland, let's specify that.
Wolfdog (
talk) 12:35, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
This article is missing any mention of Dano-English influence (from the Danelaw) on Scots, but I routinely encounter mention of this is source material (especially etymological). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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Scots language was one of the Language and literature good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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This article is written in Scottish English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, realise, travelled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
Does anyone have qualms with me removing the three instances of "Scots" in a row in the first sentence to reduce redundancies? As it currently reads: Scots (Scots: Scots; Scottish Gaelic: Albais/Beurla Ghallda) is a West Germanic language variety
, when we could just have Scots (Scottish Gaelic: Albais/Beurla Ghallda) is a West Germanic language variety
.
Wolfdog (
talk) 11:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Scots ( endonym: Scots; Scottish Gaelic: Albais/Beurla Ghallda) ...? – Austronesier ( talk) 12:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Erm.. not directly about there being three but.. 'Beurla Ghallda' from looking around it means to 'speak with foreign tongue'.. yes that's original research and I am not going to change it myself, but couldn't that apply to any foreign language? Google translates 'Berula' as 'English'.. so is it a slight against the Scots language and so would be disqualified as hate speech on wikipedia. just some thoughts there.
Dava4444 ( talk) 17:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Should it actually be classified as an indigenous language when it came from german settlers? Shouldn't the indigenous language be a celtic language like Gaelic? Malcolmmwa ( talk) 00:39, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Agtx: Hi, I'm not sure what your problem was with my edit. Your criticism doesn't make sense to me. I never changed how language was or wasn't used in the lead sentence. All I did was specify the type of West Germanic variety to make the connection to English clearer. Wolfdog ( talk) 21:53, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
The second sentence of the lead section reads It is sometimes called Lowland Scots or Broad Scots to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic, the Goidelic Celtic language that was historically restricted to most of the Highlands, the Hebrides and Galloway after the 16th century.
It strikes me as odd that we are so quickly taking time to define a topic that is NOT the focus of this page. Can anyone instead specify here where Scots is spoken rather than where Gaelic is spoken, which isn't particularly relevant. If Scots is indeed common throughout the entire nation of Scotland, let's specify that.
Wolfdog (
talk) 12:35, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
This article is missing any mention of Dano-English influence (from the Danelaw) on Scots, but I routinely encounter mention of this is source material (especially etymological). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)