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This article seems uncertain of its scope. At times it is restricted to National Expresses, at other points it also covers British Rail, and in a few areas even First is included. Perhaps the British Rail and National Express sections should be separated, and the First information removed to First ScotRail? David Arthur ( talk) 21:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Transport Scotland have now introduced a new ScotRail brand, to be rolled out across Scotland. Therefore, this page should be moved to ScotRail (train operating company), and a new page created about this new brand. This page would also include information on the origins of the brand from British Rail. See this link for more details. -- Jorvik ( talk) 20:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Okay I think some compromise is required here. Status quo is not desirable, when future franchises come into being and FirstScotrail becomes defunct it'll mean another company another page and another fragmented account of the franchises history. I think it still makes sense to have one coherent ScotRail brand page, while still maintaining separate pages on the TOC's providing outline details about those companies. Who knows though, there are more important things in the world that Wikipedia articles. (
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I moved to this page because this branding is defunct, and the current ScotRail service should take precedent. That service is no longer branded as "First ScotRail" but as just plain ScotRail. RGloucester ( talk) 21:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The article implies a date of either 1987 or 1988 for the introduction of the ScotRail name. I currently have in front of me a West Highland Line timetable from May 1983 with "Scotrail" branding on the front cover.– Signalhead < T > 20:42, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Rather than being the Gaelic equivalent of "ScotRail", I believe these words actually translate as "Scotland's railway". (In recent years, "Scotland's railway" or "Rèile na h-Alba" has been appearing alternately on the sides of trains, below the name "ScotRail".) As such, I don't think it's correct for this article, or the First ScotRail / ScotRail (National Express) articles, to imply that this is a Gaelic translation of "ScotRail".– Signalhead < T > 00:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Now, last time I tried to fix this is wasn’t accepted, but I still think it is a problem. The three ScotRail articles all seem kind of redundant. I really don’t see why there should not be only one article for all of ScotRail. Does anyone agree? Look at ScotRail (National Express), First ScotRail and ScotRail. It really doesn’t make sense to have it set up as it does now, especially considering the current service is only named “ScotRail”. RGloucester ( talk) 16:29, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
When will new section be added about the new franchise? Five Short listed: Abellio, Arriva, FirstGroup, MTR and National Express
After shortlist was created in November 2013.
DOO is ruled out: http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2013/11/20-new-scotrail-franchise-plan-appears.html http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/company-news/hong-kong-state-firm-in-bid-to-run-scotrail.21954682
which Also has links to more newspapers and docs: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103634&page=4
Tender Doc: Jan 2014: http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/system/files/uploaded_content/documents/tsc_basic_pages/Rail/ScotRail%20franchise/scotrail-franchise-itt-4855286-45.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.7.59 ( talk) 20:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
The two articles ScotRail, and ScotRail (brand) both act to link to the companies that have operated ScotRail since 1983, however the ScotRail article does so with less background information. They should be merged. Note, I'm not proposing to merge the various incarnations of ScotRail (Abelio, First etc.) into this page. Grinner ( talk) 15:13, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Oppose While the ScotRail (brand) article could be improved and possibly even renamed ScotRail (overview) or something similar, it shouldn't be renamed ScotRail as the primary topic. If there is a primary topic, it is the Abellio ScotRail article, 3,000 views vs 28,000 views for the 3 months ended 30 September. Corstrone ( talk) 05:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
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This article seems uncertain of its scope. At times it is restricted to National Expresses, at other points it also covers British Rail, and in a few areas even First is included. Perhaps the British Rail and National Express sections should be separated, and the First information removed to First ScotRail? David Arthur ( talk) 21:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Transport Scotland have now introduced a new ScotRail brand, to be rolled out across Scotland. Therefore, this page should be moved to ScotRail (train operating company), and a new page created about this new brand. This page would also include information on the origins of the brand from British Rail. See this link for more details. -- Jorvik ( talk) 20:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Okay I think some compromise is required here. Status quo is not desirable, when future franchises come into being and FirstScotrail becomes defunct it'll mean another company another page and another fragmented account of the franchises history. I think it still makes sense to have one coherent ScotRail brand page, while still maintaining separate pages on the TOC's providing outline details about those companies. Who knows though, there are more important things in the world that Wikipedia articles. (
Jacqueline2008 (
talk) 23:25, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I moved to this page because this branding is defunct, and the current ScotRail service should take precedent. That service is no longer branded as "First ScotRail" but as just plain ScotRail. RGloucester ( talk) 21:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The article implies a date of either 1987 or 1988 for the introduction of the ScotRail name. I currently have in front of me a West Highland Line timetable from May 1983 with "Scotrail" branding on the front cover.– Signalhead < T > 20:42, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Rather than being the Gaelic equivalent of "ScotRail", I believe these words actually translate as "Scotland's railway". (In recent years, "Scotland's railway" or "Rèile na h-Alba" has been appearing alternately on the sides of trains, below the name "ScotRail".) As such, I don't think it's correct for this article, or the First ScotRail / ScotRail (National Express) articles, to imply that this is a Gaelic translation of "ScotRail".– Signalhead < T > 00:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Now, last time I tried to fix this is wasn’t accepted, but I still think it is a problem. The three ScotRail articles all seem kind of redundant. I really don’t see why there should not be only one article for all of ScotRail. Does anyone agree? Look at ScotRail (National Express), First ScotRail and ScotRail. It really doesn’t make sense to have it set up as it does now, especially considering the current service is only named “ScotRail”. RGloucester ( talk) 16:29, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
When will new section be added about the new franchise? Five Short listed: Abellio, Arriva, FirstGroup, MTR and National Express
After shortlist was created in November 2013.
DOO is ruled out: http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2013/11/20-new-scotrail-franchise-plan-appears.html http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/company-news/hong-kong-state-firm-in-bid-to-run-scotrail.21954682
which Also has links to more newspapers and docs: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103634&page=4
Tender Doc: Jan 2014: http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/system/files/uploaded_content/documents/tsc_basic_pages/Rail/ScotRail%20franchise/scotrail-franchise-itt-4855286-45.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.7.59 ( talk) 20:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
The two articles ScotRail, and ScotRail (brand) both act to link to the companies that have operated ScotRail since 1983, however the ScotRail article does so with less background information. They should be merged. Note, I'm not proposing to merge the various incarnations of ScotRail (Abelio, First etc.) into this page. Grinner ( talk) 15:13, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Oppose While the ScotRail (brand) article could be improved and possibly even renamed ScotRail (overview) or something similar, it shouldn't be renamed ScotRail as the primary topic. If there is a primary topic, it is the Abellio ScotRail article, 3,000 views vs 28,000 views for the 3 months ended 30 September. Corstrone ( talk) 05:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:ScotRail Trains which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 03:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)