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Note that in parts of Texas, schools were segregated three ways: 'white', 'colored' (African-American), and 'Mexican' (Mexican-American). This 'three-way segregation' may have existed in other southwestern US states, as well. De facto school segregation in some places in Texas lasted well past Brown vs. Board of Education, into even the 1970s... A 'fourth dimension' of school segregation in the US involved the separate and forced education of Native American children in 'Indian schools'. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld ( talk) 09:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
This is NOT a true claim. It's a widespread myth that is circulating today. In Texas history Mexicans were white, and they always went to segregated white schools. Some districts had remedial classes for Mexican elementary students, but that was special needs education that was based on language. "Mexican Schools" were part of the white school system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.222.204.117 ( talk) 19:31, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
This article is in very good shape right now. The sourcing, formatting, and readability is all almost perfect, so the focus at this point should be on adding more content. Adding specific causal theories to the Sources of contemporary segregation section would balance the studies that you already have in a more theoretical way, which is what this article needs at the moment. The other major area that could use expanding is the Implications of segregation section, which is currently limited to just education and social well being. Many more topic areas (economic, health, employment, etc.) could be explored here, and it would add greatly to the quality of the article. While further work could be done with adding images and footnotes, the article is looking good enough to where the main edits should simply be adding more content. DerekHolliday ( talk) 03:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
This article has a very well organized structure and each paragraph has a clear leading sentence. The content is well written and easy to follow. The statistics are the latest and reliable references are used. Expansion of some subtopics might be helpful to further address this topic (the examples noted by Derek can be considered). More in-text links and more pictures can be added to this article. In addition, there are many direct quotes in the entry and it would better to summarize some of them (see Wikipedia:Quotations) and there are two sentences not sourced. Overall, this article is really well edited.( Feihuamengxue ( talk) 05:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC))
I am considering revising this page, particularly the sections on proposed policies and the history of segregation. Rjpg12 ( talk) 20:53, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
The article contends that de jure school segregation first occurred in the South after Reconstruction. That is demonstrably false, and no article should be permitted to misstate history and thereby libel an entire region of the country. An early example of de jure segregation is found in Massachusetts, in which the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts held that the City of Boston was within its rights to require black students to attend separate schools. See Roberts v. City of Boston. Assuming that there needs to be an article on this subject, it needs to be based on the facts and a proper premise. John Paul Parks ( talk) 15:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
The article states that de jure school segregation began in the South following the end of Reconstruction. That is absolute nonsense. An early example of legally-required school segregation was found in the City of Boston. In 1850, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts held that there was no problem requiring school students in Boston to be segregated by race. See Roberts v. City of Boston.
This entire article needs to be deleted or substantially rewritten. John Paul Parks ( talk) 15:44, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
This article is forwarding a widely circulating myth that claims that Mexican-Americans were subject to Jim Crow laws and legal segregation in the south. This is totally untrue, and a startling number of people (even people that call themselves historians) are claiming this. I'm proposing a massive rewrite of this article that points out the following facts:
- Jim Crow laws exclusively applied to people of African descent - never Mexicans or people of Spanish origin. Segregation statutes explicity state this over and over again.
- In Texas History, Mexicans were considered white. They were not a minority group. Laws explicity state this.
- Mexican Americans ALWAYS went to schools with white children. Every public segregated white school and university in Texas always had Mexican (or other Latin American) students. They normally were permitted to go anywhere and do anything that was for whites only.
- "Mexican School" was special needs education that was based on language - they were ESL classes. It was not race segregation, and it was unrelated to legal segregation and Jim Crow laws. They were considered to be part of the white school system. That's made abundantly clear in all cases that challenged Mexican Schools. They were also limited to just a small number of rural districts and only for elementary school children (K - 4). Even children who were forced into remedial Mexican school eventually went on to mainstream junior and high schools without problems. Most Mexicans never went to separate schools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrventura ( talk • contribs) 19:18, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I tried to improve some of the shocking misinformation in this entry but I see much ofnthe work I did was undone. What does "It began in its de jure form in the American South with the passage of Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century" mean? The South wasn't segregated before Jim Crow? Before Jim Crow African Americans and whites attended school together in the South? This is incredible (at least outside Louisiana, I'm not sure how things worked there)!!! Such good news. The rest of the entry and the opening paragraphs have similar problems. A lot of fixing is needed. FloridaArmy ( talk) 22:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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Note that in parts of Texas, schools were segregated three ways: 'white', 'colored' (African-American), and 'Mexican' (Mexican-American). This 'three-way segregation' may have existed in other southwestern US states, as well. De facto school segregation in some places in Texas lasted well past Brown vs. Board of Education, into even the 1970s... A 'fourth dimension' of school segregation in the US involved the separate and forced education of Native American children in 'Indian schools'. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld ( talk) 09:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
This is NOT a true claim. It's a widespread myth that is circulating today. In Texas history Mexicans were white, and they always went to segregated white schools. Some districts had remedial classes for Mexican elementary students, but that was special needs education that was based on language. "Mexican Schools" were part of the white school system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.222.204.117 ( talk) 19:31, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
This article is in very good shape right now. The sourcing, formatting, and readability is all almost perfect, so the focus at this point should be on adding more content. Adding specific causal theories to the Sources of contemporary segregation section would balance the studies that you already have in a more theoretical way, which is what this article needs at the moment. The other major area that could use expanding is the Implications of segregation section, which is currently limited to just education and social well being. Many more topic areas (economic, health, employment, etc.) could be explored here, and it would add greatly to the quality of the article. While further work could be done with adding images and footnotes, the article is looking good enough to where the main edits should simply be adding more content. DerekHolliday ( talk) 03:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
This article has a very well organized structure and each paragraph has a clear leading sentence. The content is well written and easy to follow. The statistics are the latest and reliable references are used. Expansion of some subtopics might be helpful to further address this topic (the examples noted by Derek can be considered). More in-text links and more pictures can be added to this article. In addition, there are many direct quotes in the entry and it would better to summarize some of them (see Wikipedia:Quotations) and there are two sentences not sourced. Overall, this article is really well edited.( Feihuamengxue ( talk) 05:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC))
I am considering revising this page, particularly the sections on proposed policies and the history of segregation. Rjpg12 ( talk) 20:53, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
The article contends that de jure school segregation first occurred in the South after Reconstruction. That is demonstrably false, and no article should be permitted to misstate history and thereby libel an entire region of the country. An early example of de jure segregation is found in Massachusetts, in which the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts held that the City of Boston was within its rights to require black students to attend separate schools. See Roberts v. City of Boston. Assuming that there needs to be an article on this subject, it needs to be based on the facts and a proper premise. John Paul Parks ( talk) 15:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
The article states that de jure school segregation began in the South following the end of Reconstruction. That is absolute nonsense. An early example of legally-required school segregation was found in the City of Boston. In 1850, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts held that there was no problem requiring school students in Boston to be segregated by race. See Roberts v. City of Boston.
This entire article needs to be deleted or substantially rewritten. John Paul Parks ( talk) 15:44, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
This article is forwarding a widely circulating myth that claims that Mexican-Americans were subject to Jim Crow laws and legal segregation in the south. This is totally untrue, and a startling number of people (even people that call themselves historians) are claiming this. I'm proposing a massive rewrite of this article that points out the following facts:
- Jim Crow laws exclusively applied to people of African descent - never Mexicans or people of Spanish origin. Segregation statutes explicity state this over and over again.
- In Texas History, Mexicans were considered white. They were not a minority group. Laws explicity state this.
- Mexican Americans ALWAYS went to schools with white children. Every public segregated white school and university in Texas always had Mexican (or other Latin American) students. They normally were permitted to go anywhere and do anything that was for whites only.
- "Mexican School" was special needs education that was based on language - they were ESL classes. It was not race segregation, and it was unrelated to legal segregation and Jim Crow laws. They were considered to be part of the white school system. That's made abundantly clear in all cases that challenged Mexican Schools. They were also limited to just a small number of rural districts and only for elementary school children (K - 4). Even children who were forced into remedial Mexican school eventually went on to mainstream junior and high schools without problems. Most Mexicans never went to separate schools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrventura ( talk • contribs) 19:18, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I tried to improve some of the shocking misinformation in this entry but I see much ofnthe work I did was undone. What does "It began in its de jure form in the American South with the passage of Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century" mean? The South wasn't segregated before Jim Crow? Before Jim Crow African Americans and whites attended school together in the South? This is incredible (at least outside Louisiana, I'm not sure how things worked there)!!! Such good news. The rest of the entry and the opening paragraphs have similar problems. A lot of fixing is needed. FloridaArmy ( talk) 22:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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