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I don't really see why the list of countries is divided into continents. Would it be better as just a single alphabetical list? Alarics ( talk) 12:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
What about the African and Middle Eastern countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.224.139.46 ( talk) 09:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I understood many times, the paddling continue in these southern states in USA. It can't be wrote as "It is still used to a significant (though declining) degree in some public schools in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.". If it's declining, the reason is the banning of corporal punishment in other states of the country (like California and New York in the 1980's). Two years ago, i read about a school headmaster in Texas who reinstated the paddle after some time it was banned from that institution (only a school). I also read few districts of these states banned that discipline method (only few). If you can correct me, show the web sources. Francodamned ( talk) 01:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I requested a citation for the statement
for which Alarics ( talk · contribs) provided a reference in this edit. As I see it, the two sources cited say that school corporal punishment were/are banned in Soviet Union and North Korea. From what I can see these sources say little about what communist propaganda has to say on the issue. The statement "Official communist propaganda always claimed that ..." seemingly isn't supported by any source, but appears to be a novel synthesis.— Gabbe ( talk) 12:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Regardless, the inclusion criteria for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. And if it were true that, for example, official communist propaganda always claimed something or other then it should be absolutely trivial to find a citation supporting it. Gabbe ( talk) 18:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The communism paragraph now contains well cited assertions, which is great. Uncited statements have been removed, which is precisely what I was asking for. I'm not at all complaining on the communism passage as it currently stands. Good work! Gabbe ( talk) 11:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
A minor point RE the CP article (Russia): "The punishment is usually administered . . . with . . . a wooden yardstick." I find it hard to believe that they would use a yardstick, as those would have to me imported specifically for that purpose. They don't use English measures in Russia. By now, I'm not sure they still use them in England. Hogwaump ( talk) 18:34, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I would like to draw the attention of the editors of this page to the query posted in the No original research/Noticeboard.-- LexCorp ( talk) 11:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I strongly urge a reconsideration of these two edits. Our task as Wikipedians is to present research done by others, not discredit its conclusions or methodology ourselves. That would be a novel synthesis and a violation of the original research policy and as such, strictly prohibited. Gabbe ( talk) 13:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Per LexCorp's suggestion, I've added a query at WP:RSN#SAM position paper. Gabbe ( talk) 22:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
What is the source for Utah?
СЛУЖБА ( talk) 22:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Can someone with some wiki skills look in to this and update it if needed? http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=28A.150.300 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.201.95 ( talk) 08:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The school corporal punishment was banned in 1870 by law called "Řád školní a vyučovací pro obyčejné školy obecné" (Austro-Hungarian monarchy).
Current law enables only these specific punishments:
Current law connected to school punishment:
The image is out of date, New Mexico has now banned school corporal punishment. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty | Averted crashes 01:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Should France and the Czech Republic be recolored to a different color (purple, perhaps) with the caption, "Not explicitly permitted in schools, but not explicitly prohibited either; allowed in the home"? Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty | Averted crashes 01:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I removed a claim that this news story shows "More than 20 years after abolition in state schools, there persists a marked lack of consensus on corporal punishment". Please be vigilant against further POV-pushing; 80% seems a pretty strong consensus and we do not normally report on opinion polls in this way. -- John ( talk) 10:10, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Information on Korea is contradictory: Para 1 of "Geographical Scope" states that corporal punishment in schools has been outlawed in "Korea" (are we to assume "South Korea"?) but para 4 of the same section states, "In South Korea, male and female secondary students alike are commonly spanked in school." The section on South Korea in the Country by Country section first states that "Corporal punishment used to be lawful and widely used in South Korean schools" and uses the past tense in the following sentence, but the remainder of the paragraph is written in the present tense. The section concludes by stating that several provinces have established ordinances to prohibit corporal punishment in schools at all levels, suggesting that corporal punishment is still legal in some South Korean provinces. Someone please clarify. Washijuwin ( talk) 18:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)washijuwin
Parents, too, often complain about the inconvenience occasioned by penalties such as detention or Saturday school. [1]
This is a red herring, as arguments against detention do not logically imply support for corporal punishment. They are separate subjects, and the source cited does not mention parental complaints about detentions in its review of corporal punishments.
Coconutporkpie ( talk) 20:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
References
The only source reference I can find on the Web for China's "theoretical" ban on school CP after the 1949 revolution is the page
"Country files: School CP in China" at www.corpun.com, by "C. Farrell", who does not list a source. The Global Initiative to End All Corporal Punishment of Children's
report on China makes no mention of such a ban. Is there a more reliable source for this info, perhaps in a scholarly work?
Coconutporkpie (
talk)
22:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted references to school CP being done in a "methodical and premeditated ceremony", since no reliable sources appear to support this as a general charcterization. It certainly does not seem to always be the case in the US, where a report by Human Rights Watch and the ACLU contained allegations that beatings are often administered in a chaotic environment, where paddling is seen as a quick form of discipline and often not documented. The idea that school CP is primarily methodical and controllled seems to be original research/interpretation ( WP:ORIGINAL). Coconutporkpie ( talk) 08:41, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I seem to remember at one point either on this article or on another related one there was a case (possibly a court case) about corporal punishment in a UK boarding school (maybe scottish?) where a (13?) year old was left bruised and the headmaster defended it saying that it ought to hurt. It was from a newspaper or something retrieved maybe from the 1980s. Does anybody know where this can be found or where it went? I need to cite it for a project and I'm going absolutely mental trying to find it. I believe it was near the end of corporal punishment in the area. 68.149.162.126 ( talk) 05:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC) It might have been this, but I thought that it was from an actual newspaper article http://www.corpun.com/uksc8707.htm 68.149.162.126 ( talk) 05:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
In the article it states that Nunavut prohibited corporal punishment in 1995, but Nunavut only became a territory in 1999. I am wondering if there is a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selvimus ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Some mention of STOPP recommended."Tom Scott, then a teacher in Tower Hamlets, east London, helped set up STOPP, the Society of Teachers Opposed to Physical Punishment." in 1968? Also Mary Marsh http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/07/24/how-child-beating-teachers-were-stopped-25-years-ago/ Szczels ( talk) 09:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
This study [1] lists all the countries where school corporal punishment is legal as of 2016. This may be useful in constructing a worldwide map on the legal status of the phenomenon. Thenightaway ( talk) 15:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
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I don't really see why the list of countries is divided into continents. Would it be better as just a single alphabetical list? Alarics ( talk) 12:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
What about the African and Middle Eastern countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.224.139.46 ( talk) 09:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I understood many times, the paddling continue in these southern states in USA. It can't be wrote as "It is still used to a significant (though declining) degree in some public schools in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.". If it's declining, the reason is the banning of corporal punishment in other states of the country (like California and New York in the 1980's). Two years ago, i read about a school headmaster in Texas who reinstated the paddle after some time it was banned from that institution (only a school). I also read few districts of these states banned that discipline method (only few). If you can correct me, show the web sources. Francodamned ( talk) 01:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I requested a citation for the statement
for which Alarics ( talk · contribs) provided a reference in this edit. As I see it, the two sources cited say that school corporal punishment were/are banned in Soviet Union and North Korea. From what I can see these sources say little about what communist propaganda has to say on the issue. The statement "Official communist propaganda always claimed that ..." seemingly isn't supported by any source, but appears to be a novel synthesis.— Gabbe ( talk) 12:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Regardless, the inclusion criteria for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. And if it were true that, for example, official communist propaganda always claimed something or other then it should be absolutely trivial to find a citation supporting it. Gabbe ( talk) 18:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The communism paragraph now contains well cited assertions, which is great. Uncited statements have been removed, which is precisely what I was asking for. I'm not at all complaining on the communism passage as it currently stands. Good work! Gabbe ( talk) 11:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
A minor point RE the CP article (Russia): "The punishment is usually administered . . . with . . . a wooden yardstick." I find it hard to believe that they would use a yardstick, as those would have to me imported specifically for that purpose. They don't use English measures in Russia. By now, I'm not sure they still use them in England. Hogwaump ( talk) 18:34, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I would like to draw the attention of the editors of this page to the query posted in the No original research/Noticeboard.-- LexCorp ( talk) 11:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I strongly urge a reconsideration of these two edits. Our task as Wikipedians is to present research done by others, not discredit its conclusions or methodology ourselves. That would be a novel synthesis and a violation of the original research policy and as such, strictly prohibited. Gabbe ( talk) 13:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Per LexCorp's suggestion, I've added a query at WP:RSN#SAM position paper. Gabbe ( talk) 22:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
What is the source for Utah?
СЛУЖБА ( talk) 22:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Can someone with some wiki skills look in to this and update it if needed? http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=28A.150.300 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.201.95 ( talk) 08:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The school corporal punishment was banned in 1870 by law called "Řád školní a vyučovací pro obyčejné školy obecné" (Austro-Hungarian monarchy).
Current law enables only these specific punishments:
Current law connected to school punishment:
The image is out of date, New Mexico has now banned school corporal punishment. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty | Averted crashes 01:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Should France and the Czech Republic be recolored to a different color (purple, perhaps) with the caption, "Not explicitly permitted in schools, but not explicitly prohibited either; allowed in the home"? Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty | Averted crashes 01:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I removed a claim that this news story shows "More than 20 years after abolition in state schools, there persists a marked lack of consensus on corporal punishment". Please be vigilant against further POV-pushing; 80% seems a pretty strong consensus and we do not normally report on opinion polls in this way. -- John ( talk) 10:10, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Information on Korea is contradictory: Para 1 of "Geographical Scope" states that corporal punishment in schools has been outlawed in "Korea" (are we to assume "South Korea"?) but para 4 of the same section states, "In South Korea, male and female secondary students alike are commonly spanked in school." The section on South Korea in the Country by Country section first states that "Corporal punishment used to be lawful and widely used in South Korean schools" and uses the past tense in the following sentence, but the remainder of the paragraph is written in the present tense. The section concludes by stating that several provinces have established ordinances to prohibit corporal punishment in schools at all levels, suggesting that corporal punishment is still legal in some South Korean provinces. Someone please clarify. Washijuwin ( talk) 18:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)washijuwin
Parents, too, often complain about the inconvenience occasioned by penalties such as detention or Saturday school. [1]
This is a red herring, as arguments against detention do not logically imply support for corporal punishment. They are separate subjects, and the source cited does not mention parental complaints about detentions in its review of corporal punishments.
Coconutporkpie ( talk) 20:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
References
The only source reference I can find on the Web for China's "theoretical" ban on school CP after the 1949 revolution is the page
"Country files: School CP in China" at www.corpun.com, by "C. Farrell", who does not list a source. The Global Initiative to End All Corporal Punishment of Children's
report on China makes no mention of such a ban. Is there a more reliable source for this info, perhaps in a scholarly work?
Coconutporkpie (
talk)
22:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted references to school CP being done in a "methodical and premeditated ceremony", since no reliable sources appear to support this as a general charcterization. It certainly does not seem to always be the case in the US, where a report by Human Rights Watch and the ACLU contained allegations that beatings are often administered in a chaotic environment, where paddling is seen as a quick form of discipline and often not documented. The idea that school CP is primarily methodical and controllled seems to be original research/interpretation ( WP:ORIGINAL). Coconutporkpie ( talk) 08:41, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I seem to remember at one point either on this article or on another related one there was a case (possibly a court case) about corporal punishment in a UK boarding school (maybe scottish?) where a (13?) year old was left bruised and the headmaster defended it saying that it ought to hurt. It was from a newspaper or something retrieved maybe from the 1980s. Does anybody know where this can be found or where it went? I need to cite it for a project and I'm going absolutely mental trying to find it. I believe it was near the end of corporal punishment in the area. 68.149.162.126 ( talk) 05:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC) It might have been this, but I thought that it was from an actual newspaper article http://www.corpun.com/uksc8707.htm 68.149.162.126 ( talk) 05:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
In the article it states that Nunavut prohibited corporal punishment in 1995, but Nunavut only became a territory in 1999. I am wondering if there is a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selvimus ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Some mention of STOPP recommended."Tom Scott, then a teacher in Tower Hamlets, east London, helped set up STOPP, the Society of Teachers Opposed to Physical Punishment." in 1968? Also Mary Marsh http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/07/24/how-child-beating-teachers-were-stopped-25-years-ago/ Szczels ( talk) 09:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
This study [1] lists all the countries where school corporal punishment is legal as of 2016. This may be useful in constructing a worldwide map on the legal status of the phenomenon. Thenightaway ( talk) 15:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)