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I began to clean up this article because of spelling mistakes and some wikification needs, but it's so POV as to be not worth fixing. If we're going to keep it, it really needs to be rewritten. -- Zoe
I'm adding a network schedule list but it's going to take awhile. -- Mikintosh
They have Saturday morning cartoons in other countries too. I dont know why the article says it refers to cartoons in America. A rewrite would need to solve this problem. Kierenj 10:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I just want to know why nobody added the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!
The article is discussing the specific phenomenon of the large blocks of animation that used to be aired on the American networks on Saturday mornings and became a significant cultural factor in their own right. The British Saturday morning output was historically different - magazine format shows that combined a few cartoons with lots of live features in a studio such as phone-ins, games, comedy, competitions, live music, live action fiction and so forth. Both SMTV Live and Live & Kicking were later examples of these. Timrollpickering ( talk) 10:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Is the three hour requirement of educational children's programming per day or per week? Probably should be stated in the article. -- Drmike 20:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes Drmike , there is a 3 hour education requirement for that network/ block that that are airing. panicpack121 18:56, 26 March, 2010 (UTC)
To Drmike : It's 3 hours per week, on average. If there's a week where sports or other programming means you can only air 2 hours of E/I one week, you can air 4 the next week to make up the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.24.166 ( talk) 16:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Why was the info about QUBO not brought over here when the two pages were merged? There was a ton of info on QUBO, the VeggieTales controversy and the current lineup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.43.129 ( talk) 15:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and why are the NBC Kids shows (all but one) being ignored as "cartoons" on Saturday mornings?
75.162.179.246 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
A number of phrases in this article really need references:
There are some others which raise my eyebrows, but those really struck me when I read the text. Yng varr 19:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
The introduction says that central time is an hour earlier than eastern time. Central time is an hour later. I didn't edit because I wasn't sure if I am simply misunderstanding the paragraph. If I am misunderstanding, perhaps it needs to be clarified. Jcsavestheday ( talk) 05:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Final sentence of lede:
Since the refs for this sentence date back at least 8 years (the other is 13 years old) I am a bit confused: how can a canceled show still be in production? If it is no longer in production is it not canceled? One does not equal the other? 71.234.215.133 ( talk) 07:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
There are twenty-one reasons listed for the decline of Saturday morning cartoons with only three meaningful citations. To the casual observer -- me -- it gives the impression that 1) we have no idea why they stopped, 2) there are so many reasons that no reason is meaningful on its own, or 3) lots of different editors have lots of different pop culture grudges. It seems like that section should be narrowed down to known reasons or removed, if there are no real known reasons. Right now, it feels like guesswork, at best. 71.191.76.194 ( talk) 15:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 19:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Saturday-morning cartoon → Saturday morning cartoon – The dash doesn't belong between "Saturday" and "morning". --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC) AdamDeanHall ( talk) 18:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Please watch the YouTube video and that will explain why the Saturday morning cartoons had been around for five and a half decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiGDxuNL0Bg AdamDeanHall ( talk) 23:49, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Video is unavailable anymore as I am looking at it, probably due to deletion of channel. :( Timbo303 ( talk) 02:58, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
With regards to Light TV I looked up the tv schedule for it on the TitanTV website [1], and the WPWR-TV station 50.3 has the shows listed currently in the schedule which is definitely going to be the schedule they are using however the station isn't actually operating yet. That's where I found that they are airing the cartoons 1 hour before it should be aired which matches the eastern time zone. Also currently for some weird reason, 50.3 has the escape affiliate from 60.3, this is due to the fact channel 60 uses the frequency 50 and channel 50 uses the frequency of 51 so it is somehow picking it up instead as there's no official affiliate on 50.3 until Light TV which is coming up. That only works on some tvs for some reason, but luckily it will be fixed when Light TV starts airs in Chicago. Another thing mentioning is due to that problem, the tv guide has the text in Spanish but in reality is an English station because of the fact channel 60 and channel 50 are mixed up if channel 60 has a subchannel slot that channel 50 doesn't. That should be fixed making the info I put in there more reliable. If there's another affiliate doing the same thing as Chicago, please feel free to add it in since it would take forever to do each one. It is already accurate to say this is a Saturday morning cartoon block but with E/I cartoons. Also, WPWR-TV currently has the CW affiliate which is owned by Fox which is why the nonsense in the scheduling of the cartoons happened for this affiliate only, which I kind of don't mind at all since it gives the children 1 extra hour of playing and they are able to wake up early. If you are wondering, I am from Chicago which is why I know about this. Something also to mention is I can't list that specific website as the cite your sources thing since it varies from person to person but is still considered a source if you look up tv guide for specific areas using zip codes for those areas so there's some help there if you are wondering. Timbo303 ( talk) 02:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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The paragraph starts with this sentence: Animation companies survived by shifting their resources: adult-oriented cartoons. This is misleading and contradicts a previous edit which included the loss of many animation companies as part of the reason for the decline. Hanna Barbera, Filmation, Ruby-Spears, DIC, Sunbow, and others who were known for prolific output during the 70s and 80s and partially into the 90s. Animation was expensive and they relied on advertisers dollars for their funds. These came mostly from toy and breakfast cereal companies. Once the sanctions against youth-targeted advertising were established, they lost their major means of funding. They either folded completely or got merged into bigger corporations where they became little more than assets. Note how many times the Filmation properties have switched owners since they went out of buisness.
The companies that started producing adult-oriented animation (and have been since the 90s) are products of the new generation of companies. Cartoon Network Studios is one of these. Another is Warner Brothers Animation which got a total makeover so that it could father the DCAU. It might as well be a completely different company from the one that produced Looney Tunes. Shows like Family Guy, King of the Hill, and other adult animated shows were created by specific producers for specific Network (Fox in this case) and used overseas animation companies, which is where the majority of animation for American shows is done today. Mr. ATOZ ( talk) 20:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. ATOZ ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
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I began to clean up this article because of spelling mistakes and some wikification needs, but it's so POV as to be not worth fixing. If we're going to keep it, it really needs to be rewritten. -- Zoe
I'm adding a network schedule list but it's going to take awhile. -- Mikintosh
They have Saturday morning cartoons in other countries too. I dont know why the article says it refers to cartoons in America. A rewrite would need to solve this problem. Kierenj 10:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I just want to know why nobody added the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!
The article is discussing the specific phenomenon of the large blocks of animation that used to be aired on the American networks on Saturday mornings and became a significant cultural factor in their own right. The British Saturday morning output was historically different - magazine format shows that combined a few cartoons with lots of live features in a studio such as phone-ins, games, comedy, competitions, live music, live action fiction and so forth. Both SMTV Live and Live & Kicking were later examples of these. Timrollpickering ( talk) 10:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Is the three hour requirement of educational children's programming per day or per week? Probably should be stated in the article. -- Drmike 20:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes Drmike , there is a 3 hour education requirement for that network/ block that that are airing. panicpack121 18:56, 26 March, 2010 (UTC)
To Drmike : It's 3 hours per week, on average. If there's a week where sports or other programming means you can only air 2 hours of E/I one week, you can air 4 the next week to make up the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.24.166 ( talk) 16:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Why was the info about QUBO not brought over here when the two pages were merged? There was a ton of info on QUBO, the VeggieTales controversy and the current lineup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.43.129 ( talk) 15:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and why are the NBC Kids shows (all but one) being ignored as "cartoons" on Saturday mornings?
75.162.179.246 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
A number of phrases in this article really need references:
There are some others which raise my eyebrows, but those really struck me when I read the text. Yng varr 19:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
The introduction says that central time is an hour earlier than eastern time. Central time is an hour later. I didn't edit because I wasn't sure if I am simply misunderstanding the paragraph. If I am misunderstanding, perhaps it needs to be clarified. Jcsavestheday ( talk) 05:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Final sentence of lede:
Since the refs for this sentence date back at least 8 years (the other is 13 years old) I am a bit confused: how can a canceled show still be in production? If it is no longer in production is it not canceled? One does not equal the other? 71.234.215.133 ( talk) 07:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
There are twenty-one reasons listed for the decline of Saturday morning cartoons with only three meaningful citations. To the casual observer -- me -- it gives the impression that 1) we have no idea why they stopped, 2) there are so many reasons that no reason is meaningful on its own, or 3) lots of different editors have lots of different pop culture grudges. It seems like that section should be narrowed down to known reasons or removed, if there are no real known reasons. Right now, it feels like guesswork, at best. 71.191.76.194 ( talk) 15:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 19:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Saturday-morning cartoon → Saturday morning cartoon – The dash doesn't belong between "Saturday" and "morning". --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC) AdamDeanHall ( talk) 18:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Please watch the YouTube video and that will explain why the Saturday morning cartoons had been around for five and a half decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiGDxuNL0Bg AdamDeanHall ( talk) 23:49, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Video is unavailable anymore as I am looking at it, probably due to deletion of channel. :( Timbo303 ( talk) 02:58, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
With regards to Light TV I looked up the tv schedule for it on the TitanTV website [1], and the WPWR-TV station 50.3 has the shows listed currently in the schedule which is definitely going to be the schedule they are using however the station isn't actually operating yet. That's where I found that they are airing the cartoons 1 hour before it should be aired which matches the eastern time zone. Also currently for some weird reason, 50.3 has the escape affiliate from 60.3, this is due to the fact channel 60 uses the frequency 50 and channel 50 uses the frequency of 51 so it is somehow picking it up instead as there's no official affiliate on 50.3 until Light TV which is coming up. That only works on some tvs for some reason, but luckily it will be fixed when Light TV starts airs in Chicago. Another thing mentioning is due to that problem, the tv guide has the text in Spanish but in reality is an English station because of the fact channel 60 and channel 50 are mixed up if channel 60 has a subchannel slot that channel 50 doesn't. That should be fixed making the info I put in there more reliable. If there's another affiliate doing the same thing as Chicago, please feel free to add it in since it would take forever to do each one. It is already accurate to say this is a Saturday morning cartoon block but with E/I cartoons. Also, WPWR-TV currently has the CW affiliate which is owned by Fox which is why the nonsense in the scheduling of the cartoons happened for this affiliate only, which I kind of don't mind at all since it gives the children 1 extra hour of playing and they are able to wake up early. If you are wondering, I am from Chicago which is why I know about this. Something also to mention is I can't list that specific website as the cite your sources thing since it varies from person to person but is still considered a source if you look up tv guide for specific areas using zip codes for those areas so there's some help there if you are wondering. Timbo303 ( talk) 02:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
References
The paragraph starts with this sentence: Animation companies survived by shifting their resources: adult-oriented cartoons. This is misleading and contradicts a previous edit which included the loss of many animation companies as part of the reason for the decline. Hanna Barbera, Filmation, Ruby-Spears, DIC, Sunbow, and others who were known for prolific output during the 70s and 80s and partially into the 90s. Animation was expensive and they relied on advertisers dollars for their funds. These came mostly from toy and breakfast cereal companies. Once the sanctions against youth-targeted advertising were established, they lost their major means of funding. They either folded completely or got merged into bigger corporations where they became little more than assets. Note how many times the Filmation properties have switched owners since they went out of buisness.
The companies that started producing adult-oriented animation (and have been since the 90s) are products of the new generation of companies. Cartoon Network Studios is one of these. Another is Warner Brothers Animation which got a total makeover so that it could father the DCAU. It might as well be a completely different company from the one that produced Looney Tunes. Shows like Family Guy, King of the Hill, and other adult animated shows were created by specific producers for specific Network (Fox in this case) and used overseas animation companies, which is where the majority of animation for American shows is done today. Mr. ATOZ ( talk) 20:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. ATOZ ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)