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Aardwolf68, whoever else was in a private leaked tape (or what occurred in the tape) is irrelevant to this page, and is unnecessary trivia of a un-encyclopedic nature. A mention of this leak happening and Paige's response is sufficient. This article is a WP:BLP - read the policy: "Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives." An ex's rants, claims, personal issues is also unencyclopedic especially if those claims are not supported by reliable sources independently of routine celebrity gossip. Again, WP:BLP: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives." And read WP:NOTNEWS: "Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. ... Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person." Do not reinstate either content without seeking consensus ( WP:BLPN); read WP:ONUS: "While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. ... The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." These are all Wikipedia policies. Lapadite ( talk) 23:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus that it is WP:TOOSOON and WP:COMMONNAME. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 03:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Paige (wrestler) → Saraya (wrestler) – Saraya is no longer with WWE and no longer uses the name Paige as a professional wrestler. She's currently going by Saraya, her actual first name, in AEW. Even her former Twitter account (@RealPaigeWWE) is inactive, and the one she's using now is simply Saraya. TJ AJ RJ Backslashinfourth V ( talk) 17:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting that any of that be removed from the page or in any way invalidated, but insisting on referring to her by her former ring name is an objective misnomer, as she no longer uses the name professionally. What would your proposed time frame for the name change look like? TJ AJ RJ Backslashinfourth V ( talk) 23:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TOOSOON PedigreeWWEFigz87V2 ( talk) 17:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Separately from the move discussion above, answering @ TJ AJ RJ Backslashinfourth V:'s question on the timeframe: Based on prior discussions that I have seen related to such changes in names, we typically wait for at least 3-6 months before requesting for a page move, some also would wait until the subject has participated in a season or won some award. This is so that it can be established in reliable secondary sources that the new ring name sticks (e.g. there are more reliable secondary sources identifying her using solely her new ring name, and/or only referencing to her old ring name for historically purposes than those who identify her by her previous ring name). In the meantime, redirects and/or hatnote (if relevant) should suffice in bringing readers to the right article. – robertsky ( talk)
Disagree with those opposing. She is no longer being refered to as Paige. She has changed all her social handles to Saraya and she has stated on numerous podcasts that she goes by her real name Saraya on all wrestling related things. Majority of people are calling her Saraya now. I agree with the page redirect with Saraya being the actual page and Paige redirects to Saraya. MWBarretto24 ( talk) 14:49, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
"Why is Bryan Danielson page name changed, and not this one? Just as he is no longer Daniel Bryan so too should this page be changed." Bryan Danielson is his real name AND he wrestled under that name for about a decade on the indies prior to joining WWE. Also he's been wrestling as Bryan Danielson for almost a year and half now post WWE. RyanConnell5150 ( talk) 07:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Saraya never wrestled under her real name prior to WWE. It's a brand new ring name. However when the woman herself has said that's her ring name now and has changed all her social media, Wikipedia should follow suit. RyanConnell5150 ( talk) 07:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I think a serious discussion should be begun about changing the name of this article again. At this point it should be named Saraya Bevis, with Paige (wrestler) being the redirect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.141.54.166 ( talk) 15:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks to wrestling edits for correction her respective family have been notified this person is harassing saraya- jade police action would be advised 82.153.173.200 ( talk) 00:57, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Saraya Bevis. There's no argument that NAMECHANGES doesn't also apply here, which follows the general trend of the many "wrestlers move promotions, get new ring names" RMs we get. However, there was some concern that the move as requested would be basically an WP:INCOMPLETEDAB given her mother also used the same name. The birth name alternative seems to be the least contentious one in the RM, and wouldn't be too out-of-kilter with other mononymous wrestlers with Wikipedia articles ( Natalya Neidhart being the first one that came to my mind) ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 21:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Paige (wrestler) → Saraya (wrestler) – Enough time has elapsed between when the subject had signed with AEW in September 2022 and now. Searches on Google for news from October 2022 onwards indicates that she is now mostly reported as Saraya, or with Paige together as fka name. Searching using her first name and last name returns news reporting her with just her first name. In my opinion, this fulfils WP:NAMECHANGE. Google searches: Paige (wrestler), Oct 22 - Mar 23, Saraya Bevis, Oct 22 - Mar 23, Saraya wrestler, Oct 22 - Mar 23 – robertsky ( talk) 16:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. {{ping| ClydeFranklin}} ( t/ c) 23:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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Aardwolf68, whoever else was in a private leaked tape (or what occurred in the tape) is irrelevant to this page, and is unnecessary trivia of a un-encyclopedic nature. A mention of this leak happening and Paige's response is sufficient. This article is a WP:BLP - read the policy: "Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives." An ex's rants, claims, personal issues is also unencyclopedic especially if those claims are not supported by reliable sources independently of routine celebrity gossip. Again, WP:BLP: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives." And read WP:NOTNEWS: "Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. ... Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person." Do not reinstate either content without seeking consensus ( WP:BLPN); read WP:ONUS: "While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. ... The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." These are all Wikipedia policies. Lapadite ( talk) 23:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus that it is WP:TOOSOON and WP:COMMONNAME. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 03:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Paige (wrestler) → Saraya (wrestler) – Saraya is no longer with WWE and no longer uses the name Paige as a professional wrestler. She's currently going by Saraya, her actual first name, in AEW. Even her former Twitter account (@RealPaigeWWE) is inactive, and the one she's using now is simply Saraya. TJ AJ RJ Backslashinfourth V ( talk) 17:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting that any of that be removed from the page or in any way invalidated, but insisting on referring to her by her former ring name is an objective misnomer, as she no longer uses the name professionally. What would your proposed time frame for the name change look like? TJ AJ RJ Backslashinfourth V ( talk) 23:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TOOSOON PedigreeWWEFigz87V2 ( talk) 17:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Separately from the move discussion above, answering @ TJ AJ RJ Backslashinfourth V:'s question on the timeframe: Based on prior discussions that I have seen related to such changes in names, we typically wait for at least 3-6 months before requesting for a page move, some also would wait until the subject has participated in a season or won some award. This is so that it can be established in reliable secondary sources that the new ring name sticks (e.g. there are more reliable secondary sources identifying her using solely her new ring name, and/or only referencing to her old ring name for historically purposes than those who identify her by her previous ring name). In the meantime, redirects and/or hatnote (if relevant) should suffice in bringing readers to the right article. – robertsky ( talk)
Disagree with those opposing. She is no longer being refered to as Paige. She has changed all her social handles to Saraya and she has stated on numerous podcasts that she goes by her real name Saraya on all wrestling related things. Majority of people are calling her Saraya now. I agree with the page redirect with Saraya being the actual page and Paige redirects to Saraya. MWBarretto24 ( talk) 14:49, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
"Why is Bryan Danielson page name changed, and not this one? Just as he is no longer Daniel Bryan so too should this page be changed." Bryan Danielson is his real name AND he wrestled under that name for about a decade on the indies prior to joining WWE. Also he's been wrestling as Bryan Danielson for almost a year and half now post WWE. RyanConnell5150 ( talk) 07:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Saraya never wrestled under her real name prior to WWE. It's a brand new ring name. However when the woman herself has said that's her ring name now and has changed all her social media, Wikipedia should follow suit. RyanConnell5150 ( talk) 07:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I think a serious discussion should be begun about changing the name of this article again. At this point it should be named Saraya Bevis, with Paige (wrestler) being the redirect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.141.54.166 ( talk) 15:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks to wrestling edits for correction her respective family have been notified this person is harassing saraya- jade police action would be advised 82.153.173.200 ( talk) 00:57, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Saraya Bevis. There's no argument that NAMECHANGES doesn't also apply here, which follows the general trend of the many "wrestlers move promotions, get new ring names" RMs we get. However, there was some concern that the move as requested would be basically an WP:INCOMPLETEDAB given her mother also used the same name. The birth name alternative seems to be the least contentious one in the RM, and wouldn't be too out-of-kilter with other mononymous wrestlers with Wikipedia articles ( Natalya Neidhart being the first one that came to my mind) ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 21:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Paige (wrestler) → Saraya (wrestler) – Enough time has elapsed between when the subject had signed with AEW in September 2022 and now. Searches on Google for news from October 2022 onwards indicates that she is now mostly reported as Saraya, or with Paige together as fka name. Searching using her first name and last name returns news reporting her with just her first name. In my opinion, this fulfils WP:NAMECHANGE. Google searches: Paige (wrestler), Oct 22 - Mar 23, Saraya Bevis, Oct 22 - Mar 23, Saraya wrestler, Oct 22 - Mar 23 – robertsky ( talk) 16:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. {{ping| ClydeFranklin}} ( t/ c) 23:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)