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The state motto is 'Bersatu, Berusaha, Berbakti' which roughly translates into 'United, Industrious, Devoted' and not 'A Place Like No Other' etc. -- Matthew A. Lockhart 14:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Somebody unfashionably left this at the front page. __earth ( Talk) 05:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Ibu Pertiwi Ku (Sarawak State Anthem)
Sarawak Tanah Air Ku
Negeri Ku Tanah Air Ku Sarawak
Engkaulah Tanah Pusaka Ku
Tanah Tumpah Darah Ku
Ibu Pertiwi Ku
Rakyat Hidup Mesra dan Bahagia
Damai Muhibbah Sentiasa
Bersatu Berusaha Berbakti
Untuk Sarawak Ku Cintai
Sarawak Dalam Malaysia
Aman Makmur Rahmat Tuhan Maha Esa
Kekallah Sarawak Bertuah
Teras Perjuangan Rakyat
Berjaya Berdaulat
Composed by Wan Othman Hamid
In Brunei history textbooks, it was mentioned that Sarawak was a Johor vassal state that was given to Brunei on 14th century as marriage gift for Sultan Mohammad Shah for marrying a Johorean princess. Can someone verify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.208.71 ( talk • contribs)
The History section does not appear to be written from an NPOV. eg, sections written in the First Person, comments such as "so far, so good".
The section seems (in part) to be one person's subjective account of the events leading to cession to the British Crown, containing unreferenced assetrtions about the author's claims to the throne.
We have "the Brooke family was intent on a policy of paternalism". It's hard to actually know their intentions. Would it be correct to say they "pursued" a policy of paternalism? We have "the intention was clearly admirable." and the constitution contained "defects" that were "wholly unacceptable". That's definitely POV. We have "the title of Rajah Muda would be restored to me". I doubt if the Wikipedia was to be made Rajah Muda. The secret agreement was "bound to" leak out. Malays "dramatically" attempted to assassinate the first British governor. This is either POV or at least peacock wording. On the basis of these points, the POV tag was justified. However some of the issues in the section might be better labelled by a different tag. Unfortunately I don't know enough on the subject to make corrections without possibly distorting the facts. The Photon 04:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed this from the article:
Moreover, one of the provisions of the proposed constitution was that upon its coming into force the title of Rajah Muda would be restored to me and I would be proclaimed heir to the Raj.
However attractive this might have sounded, this provision ignored the fact that Bertam Brooke had been designated in effect joint ruler with him under Rajah Charles’ Political Will. Since Betram Brooke might well have outlived Charles Vyner Brooke this was not an offer to me that could rightly be made.
Although in England at the time Bertram Brooke had never renounced his rights. When the secret agreement leaked out, as it was bound to do, Anthony Brooke his son opposed the whole arrangement.
As there is no explanation of who "me" is, this seemed to be meaningless and irretrievable by anyone without specialist knowledge. If anyone does know who the mysterious figure who was granted the title of Rajah Muna (heir apparent) by the proposed constitution is, this is interesting information which might be worth re-adding. If not, the content doesn't seem to be much use. TSP 19:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I can not understand why the editor saw fit to delete my contribution of 7 Feb. 2009 when I tried to include a new short write up under a new sub-heading: Places of Interest to the Visitor. The concise fact based information supplied was based on my personal first hand experience in Sarawak which I toured and studied extensively in 2006. Visitors ( Travelers and Tourists alike ) want to know information on where to go, what to see, what to experience when in Sarawak. If this is not essential information with practical advice help I do not know what is! Under " Economy " article, at the end of which the top 4 money earners for Sarawak are listed, my addition of the word " Tourism " as the 5th industry was deleted too. Why? I authored and published a travelogue book called Discovering North Borneo, a hard copy of which is with the National Library of Australia. -- Attilaurm ( talk) 22:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
How about adding a section (perhaps with a different title) like this to the article? To start, the film, The Sleeping Dictionary was set in Sarawak. - FateSmiled&DestinyLaughed 16:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I am certain that earlier timber blockades in the State in protest of further encroachment on NCR land does not constitute "Ethnic Confrontation". This term was used in error and should be replaced by some other title more aptly suited to describe Native Customary Rights in the State, especially in light of legal issues and points of law previously argued and clarified in the High Court.
"Ethnic Confrontation" would be better applied to the Dayak reaction against Madurese settlers in the Kalimantan States, however, it most certainly does not meet the criteria in this case.
Clarity please.
Also, I have updated some terms in the article. Indigenous could mean anything. For i.e "My pedigree Siamese Cat is indigenous to Thailand", "That particular "insert latin term" orchid is indigenous to "insert known area".
I've edited this section, having considered "native" and "rural communities" would better illustrate those examples used. Tuai 22:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Please don't revert back to the smaller lower resolution image of the State crest/emblem/COA. Whoever you are Mister unsigned 201.224.142.1 -- Bukhrin 08:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't somebody have or can create a map where the current 11 administrational districts are shown, similar to the one for Sabah shown here? I'd do it myself, but I searched the whole Internet and couldn't find a existing map for reference. -- 134.76.63.1 ( talk) 18:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone add more on the government and administration? Earthlyreason ( talk) 07:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The Mulu National Park, a.k.a. Gunung Mulu Nat.Park This 52,864 ha. predominantly thickly rainforested park has been UNESCO World Heritage listed since 2000 and is renown for the unique and rich biodiversity, tropical karst formations and subterranean caves systems. At about 550 km. from the capital Kuching it is remote but open to the public. The caves systems in the park commonly offer an astonishing sight of stalagtite and stalagmite formations in a weird gargantuan proportion setting. The Clearwater Cave’s Sarawak Chamber has the world’s largest natural dome at 80mtrs. of height. Wind Cave and Lang’s Cave also offer huge inter-linked chambers and galleries and unique fast flowing clear water rivulets. Deer Cave houses the largest bat colony in the world scientifically counted to be in excess of 3 million. It is also home to millions of cave swiftlets. Both the Gunung Mulu, a 2,377mtrs. high pinnacle karst mountain alleged to be the most cavernous in the world and the botanical treasure park it dominates are subject of ongoing scientific research whilst the wonders are a drawcard for the adventure minded visitor. -- Attilaurm ( talk) 04:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a section for religion demography, or it can be a sub-section under current Demographics. There is no information on religion statistics in Sarawak in this page. Since that we have a demographics statistic from Department of Statistics, why don't we just use them?
One more thing, demographics should be as informative and brief as possible. I saw too many articles on ethnics (while some I consider as unnecessary for example "Dayak Sebob/Chebob"). We should have simplified it into 6 main ethnics: Iban, Chinese, Malay, Melanau, Bidayuh and Orang Ulu, plus a section for other significant minorities like Kedayan and Indian.
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I'm assuming that a citizen of Malaysia with around a medium degree of English contributed largely to parts of this article, as while they did a fantasic job supplying the reader with information and detailed historical facts, to a native speaker of English, significant portions of the article come off as a bit shaky, and I feel some grammatical changes to smooth out the flow of the article might be wise. See the religion section for an example. VoodooIsland ( talk) 03:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The following are the edits done by 95Kenrick to the lead section of the article on 14 May 2010:
Sarawak change in status into following the admission to the new federation of Malaysia in 1963 [1] is one of two states on the island of Borneo.
The administrative capital is Kuching which has a population of 579,900 (2006 census; Kuching City South - 143,500; Kuching City North - 133,600; Padawan- 3rd Mile/ 7th Mile/ 10th Mile - 302,800). Major cities and towns also include Sibu (pop. 254,000), Miri (pop. 263,000) and Bintulu (pop. 176,800). As of last census (December 31, 2006), the state population was 2,357,500 and this areas are still being recorded on the list of the UN Security Council as Non-Self-Governing Territories [1]
I have viewed the UN page mentioned ( Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories, 1945-1999) and Sarawak is listed as 'Change in status:1963'. This is a historical statement and therefore not suitable to be placed in the lead section of the article. The page itself did print that information was no longer submitted to the United Nations, indicating that the list was never updated (since 1999, 11 years ago).
One of the points in the 18-point Agreement between Sarawak and the Federation of Malaya in 1963 is the removal of rights of Sarawak to secede from the Federation later known as Malaysia. As such, Sarawak changed its status from a British Crown colony to a Malaysian federated state, while preserving some of its autonomous rights, and the term Non-Self-Governing Territory has neither been applied nor mentioned by any Malaysian publication ever (that I know of, please do correct me if otherwise).
My decision to revert all edits done by 95Kenrick (who may not be a Malaysian for the fact he/she couldn't spell Sarawak correctly) is due to preserving the NPOV to the lead section of article and because the editor overlooked this document ( Non-Self-Governing Territories listed by the GA in 2002) which lists only 16 Non-Self-Governing Territories, Sarawak not included.
Thanks 95Kenrick, at least I've learnt something today. -- CoolCityCat ( talk) 08:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I had to undo several changes that were introduced by 95Kenrick manually. The introduction to this article had become basically unreadable, and was mostly irrelevant information. Chelos ( talk) 19:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
This article is not a valid G12 (copyright) speedy deletion and hence I'm removed the speedy tag. There's two reasons it's not a G12 speedy deletion:
Please do not re-add the tag. It's most definitely not a valid speedy delete article regardless of whether or not some of the text is infringing. Dpmuk ( talk) 14:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
To anyone else reviewing the speedy deletion tag - I've started an ANI thread here as I'm getting dangerously close to edit warring and I feel this needs another set of eyes to look over it. If you review the tag you may want to comment there as well. Dpmuk ( talk) 14:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Having evaluated the copyright concerns, I agree that the external website almost certainly copies from Wikipedia.
For instance, looking at the history, the first two sentences entered the article in March 2008. The first part of the third sentence has been in the article since June 2004. The second part of the third sentence (since modified) entered in April 2008. The following sentence entered here, in January 2008.
While copyright concerns are important for Wikipedia and our downstream re-users, in this case infringement is reversed. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
This statement "In June 2010, several Sarawakian immigrant workers in Singapore were arrested for carrying out a series of murders in the Kallang residential area of Singapore."
I dont think thats even appropriate, and wikipedia is not a new archive. 110.159.92.94 ( talk) 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
As Voodoo Island stated back in May, the overall grammar and style of the article needs improving. I’ll be making these improvements throughout the week and would appreciate feedback when I have done so. The article has seen excellent improvements over the last few months, good work. Biggleswiki ( talk) 17:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Just wanna tell u guys, Malay in Sarawak does not bind to the definition in federal constitution whereby Malay must be Muslims, and someone is considered Malay if he/she is a Muslim, practising Malay cultures and speak Malay. In fact, Malay in Sarawak is considered as "Bumiputera Sarawak", not "Malay". I can't explain this in detail, but I can assure you what I said is somewhat inarguable. You can confirm this with Sarawak government officials and agencies, especially the one dealing with native rights and courts. Pinangjawa ( talk) 10:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
i thought just like any other article, it would be better to put something like "Main article: Ethics of Sarawak" or "Main article: Religion in Sarawak" or "Main article: Islam in Sarawak"?
its not i think it is not important, but the main idea of the article is to introduce sarawak, and im sure theres alot more to tell about sarawak then focus upon this subject. 175.137.235.145 ( talk) 03:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
and i do think that more citation are needed as the article progress. 175.137.235.145 ( talk) 03:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Why is this article listed as “done” at
Wikipedia:Bell Pottinger COI Investigations? It still reads like an advert – was it already like this before BP? For example, there is talk about how “opportunities for investment are immense”, how Sarawak will be “a developed state by the year 2020” and about the authorities’ successful projects and their conservation efforts, but very little about the same government’s failure to prevent the “commercial agricultural development” from destroying the rainforest, without which there would be no need for borderline cynical “heart 2 heart” orang utan programs etc. The article seems to extol all the supposedly good things and credit the state rather than market forces, whereas economy-related social and environmental problems are kept short and are blamed on market forces rather than the state: “Sarawak's rainforests have been gradually depleted by the government’s reluctance to rein in profit-driven logging, palm oil and energy companies the demand driven by the logging industry and the following introduction of palm oil plantations.”
I’d be happy to see the one-sided adspeak insertions either reverted altogether or rewritten and countered. Appropriate weight should be given to failures, problems and challenges and of course criticism of involved companies’ behaviour as well as of governmental policies and projects. If that makes the article too long, move content to Economy of Sarawak etc. in a balanced manner. Wikipeditor ( talk) 05:45, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The following text was added but needs citations and further context: " Sarawak is notable for being one of two Malaysian states that enforces Shariah Law as a matter of state and judicial policy. Punishments for alcohol consumption, homosexuality, apostasy, and adultery include fines, imprisonment, caning, and execution." Shariah law is not just a single thing to be enforced as is, it needs to be interpreted. Presumably, Sarawak either has a legal system that is based on Shariah, or has two legal systems, but this needs to be explained further. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 14:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
@ 161.139.102.110: regarding your recent edit, I do not speak Malay but if the spelling of Yang Di-Pertua Negeri is incorrect then the article it links to should be moved - there is no useful purpose in creating a red link. Please also note that Sarawak is a state, not a country and this should stay as it is. ► Philg88 ◄ ♦ talk 07:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
According to the article States and federal territories of Malaysia, Malaysia is a federation comprising thirteen states (Negeri) and three federal territories (Wilayah Persekutuan). Sarawak is one of the states. Philg88 ♦ talk 15:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hi! I am interested to review this. Will start adding my comments from today itself. Sainsf <^> Talk all words 11:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I have made a few more changes here, please check them. Can the first two paras of the lead be merged? The first looks too short and too many paras may not look good. Sainsf <^> Talk all words 07:18, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Earwig's copyvio detector found some paraphrasing which you can see here. You need to reword the portions accordingly. Sainsf <^> Feel at home 12:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC) Done Now reduced to 9.1% Cerevisae ( talk) 04:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Cerevisae: I believe I have completed the list of issues. Take your time and work through the issues carefully. Good luck! Sainsf <^> Feel at home 13:04, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
I have no words for your work! I am truly happy to promote this. Congrats! Sainsf <^> Feel at home 05:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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The lead could use a bit of trimming. For example
Following this, it became one of the founding members of the Federation of Malaysia (established on 16 September 1963) alongside North Borneo (now Sabah), Singapore (expelled in 1965), and the Federation of Malaya (Peninsular Malaysia or West Malaysia).could be changed to Following this, it became one of the founding members of the Federation of Malaysia, established on 16 September 1963. (The rest of the information could be kept in the body of the article)
Sarawak State Museum is the oldest museum in Borneo. The traditional musical instrument, sapeh, is well known in Sarawak. The Rainforest World Music Festival (RWMF) is one of the premier music events in Malaysia. The Gawai Dayak festival is only celebrated in Sarawak.This could do with a bit of adjustment. For example, considering due weight, the RWMF and the museum is better placed in the body.
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Hey Cerevisae. The accessdate parameters are useful for references. It helps us to find the accurate date of the website. It is also required in case a new archive service is used in the future. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 02:45, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Graham Beards:, @ Sarastro1: Is Earwig's copyvio detector's check enough to detect any close-paraphrasing? Currently, this check concluded that violation is unlikely with 14.5% confidence level. I used the "search mode" which uses the Google search engine. It also checks external links in this page, and using the Turnitin plagiarism checker service. Thanks. The result is available here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Sarawak&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=1 . It can take a few minutes to load. Cerevisae ( talk) 01:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
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@ Blackmane: Could you get me up to speed on your progress with this article? This is a big project. Jasphetamine ( talk) 12:08, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
If you haven't tried to fix an article with properly broken prose before, instead of bending each sentence try ripping out the entire paragraph, use it for reference and rewrite the whole thing as a native speaker. It is more efficient and less frustrating.
Jasphetamine ( talk) 21:13, 21 March 2017 (UTC)@ Blackmane: Forgive my double ping on this, but I'd like to put the lid on the demo section asap since it is reresents a large percentage of problem-text and therefore time and effort here.
Check how well fleshed out the demographics of Sarawak page and the related individual ethnic subgroup pages are -- how can we best leverage those existing articles to the benefit of this one?
In light of my looking over those breakout pages IMO the demo section here is so fact-selective, poorly phrased, and close-paraphrased from source 81 that it isn't worth its own rewrite. I don't know how copy/paste works for internal wiki content, but a straight WP:MERGE would make this article very long.
Please advise dude. Thanks,
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@ Jasphetamine, Cerevisae, and Miniapolis: just a heads up that I'm currently away for a few days, I haven't abandoned the editing of the article. I'll get back to it once I'm back in the country. -- Blackmane ( talk) 02:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
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The state motto is 'Bersatu, Berusaha, Berbakti' which roughly translates into 'United, Industrious, Devoted' and not 'A Place Like No Other' etc. -- Matthew A. Lockhart 14:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Somebody unfashionably left this at the front page. __earth ( Talk) 05:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Ibu Pertiwi Ku (Sarawak State Anthem)
Sarawak Tanah Air Ku
Negeri Ku Tanah Air Ku Sarawak
Engkaulah Tanah Pusaka Ku
Tanah Tumpah Darah Ku
Ibu Pertiwi Ku
Rakyat Hidup Mesra dan Bahagia
Damai Muhibbah Sentiasa
Bersatu Berusaha Berbakti
Untuk Sarawak Ku Cintai
Sarawak Dalam Malaysia
Aman Makmur Rahmat Tuhan Maha Esa
Kekallah Sarawak Bertuah
Teras Perjuangan Rakyat
Berjaya Berdaulat
Composed by Wan Othman Hamid
In Brunei history textbooks, it was mentioned that Sarawak was a Johor vassal state that was given to Brunei on 14th century as marriage gift for Sultan Mohammad Shah for marrying a Johorean princess. Can someone verify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.208.71 ( talk • contribs)
The History section does not appear to be written from an NPOV. eg, sections written in the First Person, comments such as "so far, so good".
The section seems (in part) to be one person's subjective account of the events leading to cession to the British Crown, containing unreferenced assetrtions about the author's claims to the throne.
We have "the Brooke family was intent on a policy of paternalism". It's hard to actually know their intentions. Would it be correct to say they "pursued" a policy of paternalism? We have "the intention was clearly admirable." and the constitution contained "defects" that were "wholly unacceptable". That's definitely POV. We have "the title of Rajah Muda would be restored to me". I doubt if the Wikipedia was to be made Rajah Muda. The secret agreement was "bound to" leak out. Malays "dramatically" attempted to assassinate the first British governor. This is either POV or at least peacock wording. On the basis of these points, the POV tag was justified. However some of the issues in the section might be better labelled by a different tag. Unfortunately I don't know enough on the subject to make corrections without possibly distorting the facts. The Photon 04:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed this from the article:
Moreover, one of the provisions of the proposed constitution was that upon its coming into force the title of Rajah Muda would be restored to me and I would be proclaimed heir to the Raj.
However attractive this might have sounded, this provision ignored the fact that Bertam Brooke had been designated in effect joint ruler with him under Rajah Charles’ Political Will. Since Betram Brooke might well have outlived Charles Vyner Brooke this was not an offer to me that could rightly be made.
Although in England at the time Bertram Brooke had never renounced his rights. When the secret agreement leaked out, as it was bound to do, Anthony Brooke his son opposed the whole arrangement.
As there is no explanation of who "me" is, this seemed to be meaningless and irretrievable by anyone without specialist knowledge. If anyone does know who the mysterious figure who was granted the title of Rajah Muna (heir apparent) by the proposed constitution is, this is interesting information which might be worth re-adding. If not, the content doesn't seem to be much use. TSP 19:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I can not understand why the editor saw fit to delete my contribution of 7 Feb. 2009 when I tried to include a new short write up under a new sub-heading: Places of Interest to the Visitor. The concise fact based information supplied was based on my personal first hand experience in Sarawak which I toured and studied extensively in 2006. Visitors ( Travelers and Tourists alike ) want to know information on where to go, what to see, what to experience when in Sarawak. If this is not essential information with practical advice help I do not know what is! Under " Economy " article, at the end of which the top 4 money earners for Sarawak are listed, my addition of the word " Tourism " as the 5th industry was deleted too. Why? I authored and published a travelogue book called Discovering North Borneo, a hard copy of which is with the National Library of Australia. -- Attilaurm ( talk) 22:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
How about adding a section (perhaps with a different title) like this to the article? To start, the film, The Sleeping Dictionary was set in Sarawak. - FateSmiled&DestinyLaughed 16:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I am certain that earlier timber blockades in the State in protest of further encroachment on NCR land does not constitute "Ethnic Confrontation". This term was used in error and should be replaced by some other title more aptly suited to describe Native Customary Rights in the State, especially in light of legal issues and points of law previously argued and clarified in the High Court.
"Ethnic Confrontation" would be better applied to the Dayak reaction against Madurese settlers in the Kalimantan States, however, it most certainly does not meet the criteria in this case.
Clarity please.
Also, I have updated some terms in the article. Indigenous could mean anything. For i.e "My pedigree Siamese Cat is indigenous to Thailand", "That particular "insert latin term" orchid is indigenous to "insert known area".
I've edited this section, having considered "native" and "rural communities" would better illustrate those examples used. Tuai 22:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Please don't revert back to the smaller lower resolution image of the State crest/emblem/COA. Whoever you are Mister unsigned 201.224.142.1 -- Bukhrin 08:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't somebody have or can create a map where the current 11 administrational districts are shown, similar to the one for Sabah shown here? I'd do it myself, but I searched the whole Internet and couldn't find a existing map for reference. -- 134.76.63.1 ( talk) 18:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone add more on the government and administration? Earthlyreason ( talk) 07:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The Mulu National Park, a.k.a. Gunung Mulu Nat.Park This 52,864 ha. predominantly thickly rainforested park has been UNESCO World Heritage listed since 2000 and is renown for the unique and rich biodiversity, tropical karst formations and subterranean caves systems. At about 550 km. from the capital Kuching it is remote but open to the public. The caves systems in the park commonly offer an astonishing sight of stalagtite and stalagmite formations in a weird gargantuan proportion setting. The Clearwater Cave’s Sarawak Chamber has the world’s largest natural dome at 80mtrs. of height. Wind Cave and Lang’s Cave also offer huge inter-linked chambers and galleries and unique fast flowing clear water rivulets. Deer Cave houses the largest bat colony in the world scientifically counted to be in excess of 3 million. It is also home to millions of cave swiftlets. Both the Gunung Mulu, a 2,377mtrs. high pinnacle karst mountain alleged to be the most cavernous in the world and the botanical treasure park it dominates are subject of ongoing scientific research whilst the wonders are a drawcard for the adventure minded visitor. -- Attilaurm ( talk) 04:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a section for religion demography, or it can be a sub-section under current Demographics. There is no information on religion statistics in Sarawak in this page. Since that we have a demographics statistic from Department of Statistics, why don't we just use them?
One more thing, demographics should be as informative and brief as possible. I saw too many articles on ethnics (while some I consider as unnecessary for example "Dayak Sebob/Chebob"). We should have simplified it into 6 main ethnics: Iban, Chinese, Malay, Melanau, Bidayuh and Orang Ulu, plus a section for other significant minorities like Kedayan and Indian.
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I'm assuming that a citizen of Malaysia with around a medium degree of English contributed largely to parts of this article, as while they did a fantasic job supplying the reader with information and detailed historical facts, to a native speaker of English, significant portions of the article come off as a bit shaky, and I feel some grammatical changes to smooth out the flow of the article might be wise. See the religion section for an example. VoodooIsland ( talk) 03:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The following are the edits done by 95Kenrick to the lead section of the article on 14 May 2010:
Sarawak change in status into following the admission to the new federation of Malaysia in 1963 [1] is one of two states on the island of Borneo.
The administrative capital is Kuching which has a population of 579,900 (2006 census; Kuching City South - 143,500; Kuching City North - 133,600; Padawan- 3rd Mile/ 7th Mile/ 10th Mile - 302,800). Major cities and towns also include Sibu (pop. 254,000), Miri (pop. 263,000) and Bintulu (pop. 176,800). As of last census (December 31, 2006), the state population was 2,357,500 and this areas are still being recorded on the list of the UN Security Council as Non-Self-Governing Territories [1]
I have viewed the UN page mentioned ( Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories, 1945-1999) and Sarawak is listed as 'Change in status:1963'. This is a historical statement and therefore not suitable to be placed in the lead section of the article. The page itself did print that information was no longer submitted to the United Nations, indicating that the list was never updated (since 1999, 11 years ago).
One of the points in the 18-point Agreement between Sarawak and the Federation of Malaya in 1963 is the removal of rights of Sarawak to secede from the Federation later known as Malaysia. As such, Sarawak changed its status from a British Crown colony to a Malaysian federated state, while preserving some of its autonomous rights, and the term Non-Self-Governing Territory has neither been applied nor mentioned by any Malaysian publication ever (that I know of, please do correct me if otherwise).
My decision to revert all edits done by 95Kenrick (who may not be a Malaysian for the fact he/she couldn't spell Sarawak correctly) is due to preserving the NPOV to the lead section of article and because the editor overlooked this document ( Non-Self-Governing Territories listed by the GA in 2002) which lists only 16 Non-Self-Governing Territories, Sarawak not included.
Thanks 95Kenrick, at least I've learnt something today. -- CoolCityCat ( talk) 08:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I had to undo several changes that were introduced by 95Kenrick manually. The introduction to this article had become basically unreadable, and was mostly irrelevant information. Chelos ( talk) 19:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
This article is not a valid G12 (copyright) speedy deletion and hence I'm removed the speedy tag. There's two reasons it's not a G12 speedy deletion:
Please do not re-add the tag. It's most definitely not a valid speedy delete article regardless of whether or not some of the text is infringing. Dpmuk ( talk) 14:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
To anyone else reviewing the speedy deletion tag - I've started an ANI thread here as I'm getting dangerously close to edit warring and I feel this needs another set of eyes to look over it. If you review the tag you may want to comment there as well. Dpmuk ( talk) 14:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Having evaluated the copyright concerns, I agree that the external website almost certainly copies from Wikipedia.
For instance, looking at the history, the first two sentences entered the article in March 2008. The first part of the third sentence has been in the article since June 2004. The second part of the third sentence (since modified) entered in April 2008. The following sentence entered here, in January 2008.
While copyright concerns are important for Wikipedia and our downstream re-users, in this case infringement is reversed. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
This statement "In June 2010, several Sarawakian immigrant workers in Singapore were arrested for carrying out a series of murders in the Kallang residential area of Singapore."
I dont think thats even appropriate, and wikipedia is not a new archive. 110.159.92.94 ( talk) 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
As Voodoo Island stated back in May, the overall grammar and style of the article needs improving. I’ll be making these improvements throughout the week and would appreciate feedback when I have done so. The article has seen excellent improvements over the last few months, good work. Biggleswiki ( talk) 17:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Just wanna tell u guys, Malay in Sarawak does not bind to the definition in federal constitution whereby Malay must be Muslims, and someone is considered Malay if he/she is a Muslim, practising Malay cultures and speak Malay. In fact, Malay in Sarawak is considered as "Bumiputera Sarawak", not "Malay". I can't explain this in detail, but I can assure you what I said is somewhat inarguable. You can confirm this with Sarawak government officials and agencies, especially the one dealing with native rights and courts. Pinangjawa ( talk) 10:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
i thought just like any other article, it would be better to put something like "Main article: Ethics of Sarawak" or "Main article: Religion in Sarawak" or "Main article: Islam in Sarawak"?
its not i think it is not important, but the main idea of the article is to introduce sarawak, and im sure theres alot more to tell about sarawak then focus upon this subject. 175.137.235.145 ( talk) 03:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
and i do think that more citation are needed as the article progress. 175.137.235.145 ( talk) 03:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Why is this article listed as “done” at
Wikipedia:Bell Pottinger COI Investigations? It still reads like an advert – was it already like this before BP? For example, there is talk about how “opportunities for investment are immense”, how Sarawak will be “a developed state by the year 2020” and about the authorities’ successful projects and their conservation efforts, but very little about the same government’s failure to prevent the “commercial agricultural development” from destroying the rainforest, without which there would be no need for borderline cynical “heart 2 heart” orang utan programs etc. The article seems to extol all the supposedly good things and credit the state rather than market forces, whereas economy-related social and environmental problems are kept short and are blamed on market forces rather than the state: “Sarawak's rainforests have been gradually depleted by the government’s reluctance to rein in profit-driven logging, palm oil and energy companies the demand driven by the logging industry and the following introduction of palm oil plantations.”
I’d be happy to see the one-sided adspeak insertions either reverted altogether or rewritten and countered. Appropriate weight should be given to failures, problems and challenges and of course criticism of involved companies’ behaviour as well as of governmental policies and projects. If that makes the article too long, move content to Economy of Sarawak etc. in a balanced manner. Wikipeditor ( talk) 05:45, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The following text was added but needs citations and further context: " Sarawak is notable for being one of two Malaysian states that enforces Shariah Law as a matter of state and judicial policy. Punishments for alcohol consumption, homosexuality, apostasy, and adultery include fines, imprisonment, caning, and execution." Shariah law is not just a single thing to be enforced as is, it needs to be interpreted. Presumably, Sarawak either has a legal system that is based on Shariah, or has two legal systems, but this needs to be explained further. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 14:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
@ 161.139.102.110: regarding your recent edit, I do not speak Malay but if the spelling of Yang Di-Pertua Negeri is incorrect then the article it links to should be moved - there is no useful purpose in creating a red link. Please also note that Sarawak is a state, not a country and this should stay as it is. ► Philg88 ◄ ♦ talk 07:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
According to the article States and federal territories of Malaysia, Malaysia is a federation comprising thirteen states (Negeri) and three federal territories (Wilayah Persekutuan). Sarawak is one of the states. Philg88 ♦ talk 15:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hi! I am interested to review this. Will start adding my comments from today itself. Sainsf <^> Talk all words 11:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I have made a few more changes here, please check them. Can the first two paras of the lead be merged? The first looks too short and too many paras may not look good. Sainsf <^> Talk all words 07:18, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Earwig's copyvio detector found some paraphrasing which you can see here. You need to reword the portions accordingly. Sainsf <^> Feel at home 12:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC) Done Now reduced to 9.1% Cerevisae ( talk) 04:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Cerevisae: I believe I have completed the list of issues. Take your time and work through the issues carefully. Good luck! Sainsf <^> Feel at home 13:04, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
I have no words for your work! I am truly happy to promote this. Congrats! Sainsf <^> Feel at home 05:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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The lead could use a bit of trimming. For example
Following this, it became one of the founding members of the Federation of Malaysia (established on 16 September 1963) alongside North Borneo (now Sabah), Singapore (expelled in 1965), and the Federation of Malaya (Peninsular Malaysia or West Malaysia).could be changed to Following this, it became one of the founding members of the Federation of Malaysia, established on 16 September 1963. (The rest of the information could be kept in the body of the article)
Sarawak State Museum is the oldest museum in Borneo. The traditional musical instrument, sapeh, is well known in Sarawak. The Rainforest World Music Festival (RWMF) is one of the premier music events in Malaysia. The Gawai Dayak festival is only celebrated in Sarawak.This could do with a bit of adjustment. For example, considering due weight, the RWMF and the museum is better placed in the body.
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Hey Cerevisae. The accessdate parameters are useful for references. It helps us to find the accurate date of the website. It is also required in case a new archive service is used in the future. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 02:45, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Graham Beards:, @ Sarastro1: Is Earwig's copyvio detector's check enough to detect any close-paraphrasing? Currently, this check concluded that violation is unlikely with 14.5% confidence level. I used the "search mode" which uses the Google search engine. It also checks external links in this page, and using the Turnitin plagiarism checker service. Thanks. The result is available here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Sarawak&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=1 . It can take a few minutes to load. Cerevisae ( talk) 01:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
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@ Blackmane: Could you get me up to speed on your progress with this article? This is a big project. Jasphetamine ( talk) 12:08, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
If you haven't tried to fix an article with properly broken prose before, instead of bending each sentence try ripping out the entire paragraph, use it for reference and rewrite the whole thing as a native speaker. It is more efficient and less frustrating.
Jasphetamine ( talk) 21:13, 21 March 2017 (UTC)@ Blackmane: Forgive my double ping on this, but I'd like to put the lid on the demo section asap since it is reresents a large percentage of problem-text and therefore time and effort here.
Check how well fleshed out the demographics of Sarawak page and the related individual ethnic subgroup pages are -- how can we best leverage those existing articles to the benefit of this one?
In light of my looking over those breakout pages IMO the demo section here is so fact-selective, poorly phrased, and close-paraphrased from source 81 that it isn't worth its own rewrite. I don't know how copy/paste works for internal wiki content, but a straight WP:MERGE would make this article very long.
Please advise dude. Thanks,
Jasphetamine ( talk) 13:49, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Jasphetamine, Cerevisae, and Miniapolis: just a heads up that I'm currently away for a few days, I haven't abandoned the editing of the article. I'll get back to it once I'm back in the country. -- Blackmane ( talk) 02:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
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