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I submitted it for review with the wiki editors. If anyone has any knowledge of her site, please contribute: WT:WPSPAM
Aruhnka ( talk) 14:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It's absolutely beautiful, but I strongly suspect we got it from TV.com and they got it from us; the Sara Ramirez and ABC/GA sites do not list this first name; can we get a cite here? -- Baylink 02:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
To be clear: perhaps it's clearly embroidered there *if you have HDTV*; we don't. A full hour of chasing through episodes just now confirms it, at 43:42(/1:00:00) in 2x27, "Damage Case"; George and Callie walk down a hall, while Callie bitches about Meredith asking about Doc the dog's leg cancer.
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Baylink 02:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm new to this, but I know that on this week's rerun, George refers to her as Calliope Iphegenia Torres. Does that count, or does it need to be in print somewhere?
Was Sara born in 1975 or 1976? Hotwine8 03:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
We need a legal/free use photo of her. Any ideas? Maybe something from her official site? Weirdoactor 18:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Sara Ramírez → Sara Ramirez — Clearly the wrong name under Wikipedia naming conventions. The editors of this article got into a big squabble about not having proper sourcing for the fact that a character she plays known as "Callie" had the full name "Calliope", insisting on reliable sources, but there are absolutely no sources, never have been, reliable or otherwise, for this "Sara Ramírez" spelling. She is clearly not only best known in English, but almost always known in English as "Sara Ramirez". She is known as "Sara Ramirez" on her own web site cited in the article. She is known as "Sara Ramirez" in all four other sources cited in the article, the Internet Movie Database, the Internet Broadway Database, the TV.com site, and the Yahoo! Movies site. There is "credited as" alternatives listed in the IMDB listing, something routinely done there. As it stands now, there is nothing to even indicate any legitimacy in including the Ramírez as a variant spelling in the intro, let alone for using it in the rest of the text or for it occupying the one slot available for the article's name. Gene Nygaard 03:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Last night, I moved the page back from Sara Ramírez to Sara Ramirez for the reasons outlined in the section above as those reasons are still valid five and a half years later. It seems the page was indeed moved after this discussion, but was moved back six months later and no one noticed. IMO, nothing has changed to invalidate the original consensus. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 13:41, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
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You've come a long way from WP Edit-a-thon. So, now that we are finally here, I'll be more than happy to review this. Will put up comments soon.
Numerounovedant
Talk 19:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
For starters make sure that the references are in order. All the necessary fields should be filled, dates in DD/MM/YYYY order, full name of the publishers should be included. The "work" field should be used for journals/newspapers/other such publications, and "publisher" for the rest. Wiki-link to the page of the publishers should be made on the first occurrence in the section. Numerounovedant Talk 19:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Amazing work so far, I'll go through the rest soon. Numerounovedant Talk 11:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The rest looks good to me, really great work on the article. I've made minor changes myself, and with your addittions/improvements this looks worthy of GA. Looking forward to working with you in the future. For now, I am happy to give this a Pass.
Numerounovedant
Talk 16:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, you'll have to fix the dead links. Numerounovedant Talk 16:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Now, its a Pass. Numerounovedant Talk 17:49, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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I sometimes use "they" as a way of avoiding gender specification. The lead is peppered with "they"s, I don't know why. Is she a transexual? Doesn't like being called "she"? I can't find any reason to not use "she", so I'll make a few edits as billyshiverstick and fix this. Correct if you need to, but explain on the talk page please, if you do. 2605:8D80:4C0:19C1:3C84:A1E2:3057:F3AD ( talk) 04:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
"This biographical article uses the pronouns they/them."
Sorry, what? Ramirez stated she's non-binary and uses the pronouns she/they. Why is the article edited as if she only uses they/them pronouns? 210.186.213.90 ( talk) 02:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
This is a biography of a living person, so doing no harm to the biographical subject is something which might well concern us. However, merely following the subject's wishes in a BLP is not normally the preferred strategy. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity tells us how wikipedians' consensus on this issue has evolved to this time to be sensitive to subject preference on this issue of pronouns. FTR I have been a minor contributor on this page since 2006, when the subject's gender identity was not much of an issue. This has clearly changed. Over time I have seen claims the subject prefers she/they pronouns; I see claims the subject prefers they/them pronouns. I don't know much about the issue myself. I do see a lot of unnecessary back and forth in pagespace. Not a good sign on a GA. Today we saw three weeks of semi-protection applied; I'm wondering if this "quiet" is an opportunity to hash these matters out, establish a clear consensus, and develop a long-term strategy to avoid this noise in the future, whether a form of protection, a reader-hidden message, improved talk-page instruction. I'm not sure the well-intended LGBT+ talk notice above has clarified anything to the passing reader who thinks the pronoun style looks odd. (I'm a long-time contributor and I think it reads terribly, almost begging "anyone can edit" to do so.) Anyone interested in stabilizing this? BusterD ( talk) 21:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Can someone update the main photo to a more current one? There are many pictures out now of them in their undercut and new fashion style and I think it would be more respectful to showcase that rather than one from 2008. 164.47.76.50 ( talk) 21:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)kodi
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This article should adhere to the gender identity guideline because it contains material about one or more non-binary people. Precedence should be given to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources, anywhere in article space, even when it doesn't match what's most common in reliable sources. Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the pronouns, possessive adjectives, and gendered nouns (for example "man/woman", "waiter/waitress", "chairman/chairwoman") that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. Many, but not all, non-binary people go by singular they pronouns, which are acceptable for use in articles. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life, unless the subject has indicated a preference otherwise. Former, pre-transition names may only be included if the person was notable while using the name; outside of the main biographical article, such names should only appear once, in a footnote or parentheses.If material violating this guideline is repeatedly inserted, or if there are other related issues, please report the issue to the LGBT WikiProject, or, in the case of living people, to the BLP noticeboard. |
This biographical article uses the pronouns they/them. |
I submitted it for review with the wiki editors. If anyone has any knowledge of her site, please contribute: WT:WPSPAM
Aruhnka ( talk) 14:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It's absolutely beautiful, but I strongly suspect we got it from TV.com and they got it from us; the Sara Ramirez and ABC/GA sites do not list this first name; can we get a cite here? -- Baylink 02:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
To be clear: perhaps it's clearly embroidered there *if you have HDTV*; we don't. A full hour of chasing through episodes just now confirms it, at 43:42(/1:00:00) in 2x27, "Damage Case"; George and Callie walk down a hall, while Callie bitches about Meredith asking about Doc the dog's leg cancer.
--
Baylink 02:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm new to this, but I know that on this week's rerun, George refers to her as Calliope Iphegenia Torres. Does that count, or does it need to be in print somewhere?
Was Sara born in 1975 or 1976? Hotwine8 03:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
We need a legal/free use photo of her. Any ideas? Maybe something from her official site? Weirdoactor 18:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Sara Ramírez → Sara Ramirez — Clearly the wrong name under Wikipedia naming conventions. The editors of this article got into a big squabble about not having proper sourcing for the fact that a character she plays known as "Callie" had the full name "Calliope", insisting on reliable sources, but there are absolutely no sources, never have been, reliable or otherwise, for this "Sara Ramírez" spelling. She is clearly not only best known in English, but almost always known in English as "Sara Ramirez". She is known as "Sara Ramirez" on her own web site cited in the article. She is known as "Sara Ramirez" in all four other sources cited in the article, the Internet Movie Database, the Internet Broadway Database, the TV.com site, and the Yahoo! Movies site. There is "credited as" alternatives listed in the IMDB listing, something routinely done there. As it stands now, there is nothing to even indicate any legitimacy in including the Ramírez as a variant spelling in the intro, let alone for using it in the rest of the text or for it occupying the one slot available for the article's name. Gene Nygaard 03:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Last night, I moved the page back from Sara Ramírez to Sara Ramirez for the reasons outlined in the section above as those reasons are still valid five and a half years later. It seems the page was indeed moved after this discussion, but was moved back six months later and no one noticed. IMO, nothing has changed to invalidate the original consensus. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 13:41, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Numerounovedant ( talk · contribs) 19:01, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
You've come a long way from WP Edit-a-thon. So, now that we are finally here, I'll be more than happy to review this. Will put up comments soon.
Numerounovedant
Talk 19:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
For starters make sure that the references are in order. All the necessary fields should be filled, dates in DD/MM/YYYY order, full name of the publishers should be included. The "work" field should be used for journals/newspapers/other such publications, and "publisher" for the rest. Wiki-link to the page of the publishers should be made on the first occurrence in the section. Numerounovedant Talk 19:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Amazing work so far, I'll go through the rest soon. Numerounovedant Talk 11:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The rest looks good to me, really great work on the article. I've made minor changes myself, and with your addittions/improvements this looks worthy of GA. Looking forward to working with you in the future. For now, I am happy to give this a Pass.
Numerounovedant
Talk 16:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, you'll have to fix the dead links. Numerounovedant Talk 16:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Now, its a Pass. Numerounovedant Talk 17:49, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion:
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I sometimes use "they" as a way of avoiding gender specification. The lead is peppered with "they"s, I don't know why. Is she a transexual? Doesn't like being called "she"? I can't find any reason to not use "she", so I'll make a few edits as billyshiverstick and fix this. Correct if you need to, but explain on the talk page please, if you do. 2605:8D80:4C0:19C1:3C84:A1E2:3057:F3AD ( talk) 04:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
"This biographical article uses the pronouns they/them."
Sorry, what? Ramirez stated she's non-binary and uses the pronouns she/they. Why is the article edited as if she only uses they/them pronouns? 210.186.213.90 ( talk) 02:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
This is a biography of a living person, so doing no harm to the biographical subject is something which might well concern us. However, merely following the subject's wishes in a BLP is not normally the preferred strategy. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity tells us how wikipedians' consensus on this issue has evolved to this time to be sensitive to subject preference on this issue of pronouns. FTR I have been a minor contributor on this page since 2006, when the subject's gender identity was not much of an issue. This has clearly changed. Over time I have seen claims the subject prefers she/they pronouns; I see claims the subject prefers they/them pronouns. I don't know much about the issue myself. I do see a lot of unnecessary back and forth in pagespace. Not a good sign on a GA. Today we saw three weeks of semi-protection applied; I'm wondering if this "quiet" is an opportunity to hash these matters out, establish a clear consensus, and develop a long-term strategy to avoid this noise in the future, whether a form of protection, a reader-hidden message, improved talk-page instruction. I'm not sure the well-intended LGBT+ talk notice above has clarified anything to the passing reader who thinks the pronoun style looks odd. (I'm a long-time contributor and I think it reads terribly, almost begging "anyone can edit" to do so.) Anyone interested in stabilizing this? BusterD ( talk) 21:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Can someone update the main photo to a more current one? There are many pictures out now of them in their undercut and new fashion style and I think it would be more respectful to showcase that rather than one from 2008. 164.47.76.50 ( talk) 21:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)kodi