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Apriltools ( talk) 22:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
With Ms. Niemietz permission, I (newbie to editing the Wikipedia) have volunteered to help improve this article. I believe we have already reduced the Hidden Category exceptions from a count of 9 to 6.
16:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
009o9 ( talk) 15:51, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
It is unclear to me if the following are valid instances of notability.
5 million views on YouTube presentation.
Google Search returns 197,000 instances of "Sara Niemietz".
Google Trends returns "search ranking" from five countries in 2011.
009o9 ( talk) 16:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Some of the quotes praising Ms. Niemietz' work are deadlinks or have become dynamic content without a direct path. We are working on this.
009o9 ( talk) 16:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Note to self
A reference link to saraniemietz.com is used in multiple instances, need to fix Expand on Ellen performances: Need a couple of pictures uploaded to wiki - Sara is tasked? I need to research the movie "Home" Sara is 5th on the cast list and the Tracy Lords back story was noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 009o9 ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC) forget to sign previous comment 009o9 ( talk) 00:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
NOTICE: I guess I haven't made myself clear enough, or my involvement in this article has deepened. I do not work for Ms. Niemietz, I do enjoy her work.
I have wanted to learn the Wikipedia for quite some time, but without a topic/subject to write about there is very little chance I would have ever dedicated the time to get seriously involved in the Wikipedia project.
I found the Sara Niemietz article needing references, having dead links and under threat of deletion. I am in contact with Ms. Niemietz for verification/clarification of facts and recovering historical artifacts. Again, I have no commercial relationship with the artist, nor do I have the expectation of entering a commercial relationship with Ms. Niemietz.
009o9 ( talk) 15:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Removing Template:Notability tag after clean up and adding numerous references. As per the instructions in Template:Notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 009o9 ( talk • contribs) 04:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC) 009o9 ( talk) 04:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Removed BLP Sources from article, numerous references added with cleanup 009o9 ( talk) 04:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
While I appreciate that much hard work has been done to get this article into shape, I don't think the editor(s) involved have a grasp of the purpose or style of navboxes. navboxes are free standing templates that are designed to appear on and to link multiple articles with strong common connections, such as characters in a franchise, companies in an industry or common building types. They should not contain links to articles that don't carry the navbox, nor are they to be composed on a single article. They also are just for organizing navigation, not to include information not otherwise present in the article. I saw these navboxes and was sorely tempted to delete them outright, but I figured I'd drop a note first so that the editor(s) involved can read the linked guidelines and learn about them. oknazevad ( talk) 15:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Beyond the Navboxes, I see some open parameters in some cite templates I will tidy up, I wasn't aware the commented notes are a problem. Can you cite a source? 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I had considered using the playbills and movie art as fair use, as I am describing the work and describing one of the players in the work. See WP:NFCI Item 1 and Item 8 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
These go to notability, I have a list of nationally televised appearances. WP:ENT see item 1 says that a nationally televised appearance constitutes notability.
Can you provide a source where nationally televised talk shows are not nationally televised shows?
I have a list of referenced expose television appearances, can you provide a source that says I can't list the locally televised programs with the nationally televised appearances?
Please provide your source 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
009o9 ( talk) 02:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Titles of periodicals, plays, films, musicals, musical albums are supposed italicized. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
In the Theatre, it is well within the norm to quote the critics and even the majority of the critics concerning an artists performance. The use of the Quotation template ensures that writer and publisher are credited. I would rather see a clear background on the Quotation template, but it is the most "correct" template I could find for the application.
I believe that the tag Template:Over-quotation would have been sufficient.
But I have to ask you, if I was writing about a movie would you delete the box-office statistic? The reviews are the actor's box-office. 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I contend that I am writing from a "Positive Tone". I am finding no credible references of negative references, further, these positive references are part of a dying media. The use of the quotation templates allow me to report facts without injecting my viewpoint, and reinforces references that may become deadlinks.
Consider the following from Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ#There's no such thing as objectivity
I didn't see the plays and movies Ms. Niemietz acted in so I can't describe them, I have to rely on what other people have said about them. 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I do believe that you mean well, and think you have the skills to be top notch editor. I just say to stick around, take a look at the way some of our featured articles and good articles are constructed to get an idea of the methods and madness of the place (just, for your own sake, stay away from the drama central called WP:ANI!!!) oknazevad ( talk) 00:14, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I saw your edit, I'm not in love with the term "Exposé" either, my purpose with the section title and locating it outside of the Filmography section, is to differentiate these appearances from the acting appearances. These are a combination of human interest and performance appearances. The classic definition "Exposé" (French) means "presentation," so I guess that section would read "Exposé television appearances". I'll run into the correct word I'm looking for eventually.
What is the current opinion on Wikipedia:Further reading sections? I two Wall Street Journal articles on Hollywood Arms I'm pretty sure I have not referenced. Niemietz also has a recent Examiner.com interview I haven't considered. These don't really fit the MoS for a WP:SEEALSO section, because these are external links.
I wasn't looking forward to wikilinking the Networks in the Television appearances table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 009o9 ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I ran into a blacklisted site somewhere along the line (youtube.be). I believe the interface lets you know right away when you try to save a bad URI. The Examiner made it to the Google News filter, which isn't exactly easy. I'll give it a try in a userspace.
Thanks for running those down, for future copy-paste operations... CBS NBC ABC Fox The CW
If you think of that word let me know would ya?
Regards, 009o9 ( talk) 02:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't seem long ago they were launching The WB with that dancing frog animation. Thanks for fixing that and I'll have a look at WP:MOSTM, I'm sure there more in that article I need to know. 009o9 ( talk) 09:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is a biographical article. As such, it is about the person who is the subject of the article. Therefore, content about what a film she was in was about, how much it made, excessive venue detail, how many people were in the audience, who played other roles in the productions, and so on and so forth, is useless detail. This is not a promotional article and therefore, it should not be written like a press kit, where box office numbers and plot synopses might be important. The fact that the main contributor has a COI here probably says a lot about why the tone of the article is the way it is, even after other editors commented on precisely the same issues. MSJapan ( talk) 07:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
@ User:Mr. Guye I have a professional COI here, would you mind posting the additional content for the lead and remove your tag?
I found most of the references already within the article, but the NYTimes ref was stale and needed an archive link. The Nerdist bio page appears to be dynamic, so I did not archive it. I also changed the first instance of the name to match what is given in the Template:IPAc-en (a diaphonemic for "Anne" seems redundant since it is not a part of the name she is known by). Thank you! ESparky ( talk) 18:50, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Sara Niemietz ( /ˈsærə ˈnɪmɪts/) is a Chicago born (June 7, 1992), singer/songwriter and actress, now based in Los Angeles, California. Following a childhood career in television, film, and theatre, which included a leading role on Broadway, [1] [2] Niemietz teamed with Emmy award winning composer W. G. Snuffy Walden. The pair write original music and perform cover-songs for her YouTube channel and record catalog. [3] Niemietz has also co-written music with Melissa Manchester, [4] [5] she is a featured artist on two Richard Marx albums, [6] [7] and has appeared at the Grand Ole Opry with B.J. Thomas in connection with her appearance on The Living Room Sessions (2013). [8] [9] Niemietz began touring with Postmodern Jukebox in 2016, [10] [11] and is featured on several of their albums and music videos. [12] [13] [14]
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help page).Marx A Night Out
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Marx Christmas Spirit
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Grand Ole Opry
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Huffpo Living room
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).2016 tour announce
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help page).AM FM Interview Dubai 2016
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).BillBoard PMJ Hey Ya!
was invoked but never defined (see the
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help page).@ Mr. Guye: I noticed you cleaned up the lead a bit, thank you! One more suggestion? The first line in the Early life and education section seems redundant. Perhaps just strike the restated line?
Born Sara Anne Niemietz in Chicago, Illinois, she currently resides in Los Angeles, California.
and begin the section with the copy below it?
"Niemietz first appeared on stage at age 4, when..."
I would not mention, but for me is a hiccup in reading flow. Background info that is already stated in the lead, and the infobox. Is it necessary to restate place of birth and residence again? Thank you. ESparky ( talk) 02:05, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
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Apriltools ( talk) 22:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
With Ms. Niemietz permission, I (newbie to editing the Wikipedia) have volunteered to help improve this article. I believe we have already reduced the Hidden Category exceptions from a count of 9 to 6.
16:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
009o9 ( talk) 15:51, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
It is unclear to me if the following are valid instances of notability.
5 million views on YouTube presentation.
Google Search returns 197,000 instances of "Sara Niemietz".
Google Trends returns "search ranking" from five countries in 2011.
009o9 ( talk) 16:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Some of the quotes praising Ms. Niemietz' work are deadlinks or have become dynamic content without a direct path. We are working on this.
009o9 ( talk) 16:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Note to self
A reference link to saraniemietz.com is used in multiple instances, need to fix Expand on Ellen performances: Need a couple of pictures uploaded to wiki - Sara is tasked? I need to research the movie "Home" Sara is 5th on the cast list and the Tracy Lords back story was noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 009o9 ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC) forget to sign previous comment 009o9 ( talk) 00:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
NOTICE: I guess I haven't made myself clear enough, or my involvement in this article has deepened. I do not work for Ms. Niemietz, I do enjoy her work.
I have wanted to learn the Wikipedia for quite some time, but without a topic/subject to write about there is very little chance I would have ever dedicated the time to get seriously involved in the Wikipedia project.
I found the Sara Niemietz article needing references, having dead links and under threat of deletion. I am in contact with Ms. Niemietz for verification/clarification of facts and recovering historical artifacts. Again, I have no commercial relationship with the artist, nor do I have the expectation of entering a commercial relationship with Ms. Niemietz.
009o9 ( talk) 15:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Removing Template:Notability tag after clean up and adding numerous references. As per the instructions in Template:Notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 009o9 ( talk • contribs) 04:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC) 009o9 ( talk) 04:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Removed BLP Sources from article, numerous references added with cleanup 009o9 ( talk) 04:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
While I appreciate that much hard work has been done to get this article into shape, I don't think the editor(s) involved have a grasp of the purpose or style of navboxes. navboxes are free standing templates that are designed to appear on and to link multiple articles with strong common connections, such as characters in a franchise, companies in an industry or common building types. They should not contain links to articles that don't carry the navbox, nor are they to be composed on a single article. They also are just for organizing navigation, not to include information not otherwise present in the article. I saw these navboxes and was sorely tempted to delete them outright, but I figured I'd drop a note first so that the editor(s) involved can read the linked guidelines and learn about them. oknazevad ( talk) 15:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Beyond the Navboxes, I see some open parameters in some cite templates I will tidy up, I wasn't aware the commented notes are a problem. Can you cite a source? 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I had considered using the playbills and movie art as fair use, as I am describing the work and describing one of the players in the work. See WP:NFCI Item 1 and Item 8 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
These go to notability, I have a list of nationally televised appearances. WP:ENT see item 1 says that a nationally televised appearance constitutes notability.
Can you provide a source where nationally televised talk shows are not nationally televised shows?
I have a list of referenced expose television appearances, can you provide a source that says I can't list the locally televised programs with the nationally televised appearances?
Please provide your source 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
009o9 ( talk) 02:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Titles of periodicals, plays, films, musicals, musical albums are supposed italicized. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
In the Theatre, it is well within the norm to quote the critics and even the majority of the critics concerning an artists performance. The use of the Quotation template ensures that writer and publisher are credited. I would rather see a clear background on the Quotation template, but it is the most "correct" template I could find for the application.
I believe that the tag Template:Over-quotation would have been sufficient.
But I have to ask you, if I was writing about a movie would you delete the box-office statistic? The reviews are the actor's box-office. 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I contend that I am writing from a "Positive Tone". I am finding no credible references of negative references, further, these positive references are part of a dying media. The use of the quotation templates allow me to report facts without injecting my viewpoint, and reinforces references that may become deadlinks.
Consider the following from Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ#There's no such thing as objectivity
I didn't see the plays and movies Ms. Niemietz acted in so I can't describe them, I have to rely on what other people have said about them. 009o9 ( talk) 23:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I do believe that you mean well, and think you have the skills to be top notch editor. I just say to stick around, take a look at the way some of our featured articles and good articles are constructed to get an idea of the methods and madness of the place (just, for your own sake, stay away from the drama central called WP:ANI!!!) oknazevad ( talk) 00:14, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I saw your edit, I'm not in love with the term "Exposé" either, my purpose with the section title and locating it outside of the Filmography section, is to differentiate these appearances from the acting appearances. These are a combination of human interest and performance appearances. The classic definition "Exposé" (French) means "presentation," so I guess that section would read "Exposé television appearances". I'll run into the correct word I'm looking for eventually.
What is the current opinion on Wikipedia:Further reading sections? I two Wall Street Journal articles on Hollywood Arms I'm pretty sure I have not referenced. Niemietz also has a recent Examiner.com interview I haven't considered. These don't really fit the MoS for a WP:SEEALSO section, because these are external links.
I wasn't looking forward to wikilinking the Networks in the Television appearances table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 009o9 ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I ran into a blacklisted site somewhere along the line (youtube.be). I believe the interface lets you know right away when you try to save a bad URI. The Examiner made it to the Google News filter, which isn't exactly easy. I'll give it a try in a userspace.
Thanks for running those down, for future copy-paste operations... CBS NBC ABC Fox The CW
If you think of that word let me know would ya?
Regards, 009o9 ( talk) 02:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't seem long ago they were launching The WB with that dancing frog animation. Thanks for fixing that and I'll have a look at WP:MOSTM, I'm sure there more in that article I need to know. 009o9 ( talk) 09:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is a biographical article. As such, it is about the person who is the subject of the article. Therefore, content about what a film she was in was about, how much it made, excessive venue detail, how many people were in the audience, who played other roles in the productions, and so on and so forth, is useless detail. This is not a promotional article and therefore, it should not be written like a press kit, where box office numbers and plot synopses might be important. The fact that the main contributor has a COI here probably says a lot about why the tone of the article is the way it is, even after other editors commented on precisely the same issues. MSJapan ( talk) 07:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
@ User:Mr. Guye I have a professional COI here, would you mind posting the additional content for the lead and remove your tag?
I found most of the references already within the article, but the NYTimes ref was stale and needed an archive link. The Nerdist bio page appears to be dynamic, so I did not archive it. I also changed the first instance of the name to match what is given in the Template:IPAc-en (a diaphonemic for "Anne" seems redundant since it is not a part of the name she is known by). Thank you! ESparky ( talk) 18:50, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Sara Niemietz ( /ˈsærə ˈnɪmɪts/) is a Chicago born (June 7, 1992), singer/songwriter and actress, now based in Los Angeles, California. Following a childhood career in television, film, and theatre, which included a leading role on Broadway, [1] [2] Niemietz teamed with Emmy award winning composer W. G. Snuffy Walden. The pair write original music and perform cover-songs for her YouTube channel and record catalog. [3] Niemietz has also co-written music with Melissa Manchester, [4] [5] she is a featured artist on two Richard Marx albums, [6] [7] and has appeared at the Grand Ole Opry with B.J. Thomas in connection with her appearance on The Living Room Sessions (2013). [8] [9] Niemietz began touring with Postmodern Jukebox in 2016, [10] [11] and is featured on several of their albums and music videos. [12] [13] [14]
References
{{
cite news}}
: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |newspaper=
(
help)
House Blend Second Interview
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Manchester Album
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Holleran review
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Marx A Night Out
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Marx Christmas Spirit
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Grand Ole Opry
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Huffpo Living room
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).2016 tour announce
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).AM FM Interview Dubai 2016
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).BillBoard PMJ Hey Ya!
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Time Mag Hey Ya!
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).@ Mr. Guye: I noticed you cleaned up the lead a bit, thank you! One more suggestion? The first line in the Early life and education section seems redundant. Perhaps just strike the restated line?
Born Sara Anne Niemietz in Chicago, Illinois, she currently resides in Los Angeles, California.
and begin the section with the copy below it?
"Niemietz first appeared on stage at age 4, when..."
I would not mention, but for me is a hiccup in reading flow. Background info that is already stated in the lead, and the infobox. Is it necessary to restate place of birth and residence again? Thank you. ESparky ( talk) 02:05, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
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Apriltools ( talk) 22:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC) Apriltools ( talk) 22:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Apriltools ( talk) 23:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
References
Clarification requested In the request, you stated that another editor changed some information in the article. For clarification, kindly provide the
{{
diff}}
of the changes that were made. When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the {{
Edit COI}}
template's answer parameter to read from |ans=y
to |ans=n
. Regards,
Spintendo
17:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)