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Santiago is not a part of Isabela since it is an "independent component city." This should've been moved to Santiago. – HTD ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 09:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
112.198.78.122 ( talk) 09:29, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Bertrand Martinez (LINK: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=124867274259819&set=a.119462624800284.27594.119461068133773&type=1) is the MOST FAMOUS HOAXER who lived in this city. His HOAXES consists of Fake TV5 programs, Fake TV5 stations, Radyo Alagad HOAX, Fake Dream FM stations, Us Girls HOAXES which shows that the show allegedly air on 1975, Pangarap Kong Jackpot Hoax, among others. For more information, Log on to: http://www.facebook.com/LarsArnoldBertrand
Last time i checked, there is no Santiago Province in the Philippines for it to merit a 'City' suffix (like you would for the Cities of Batangas, Cebu, Davao, Iloilo, Quezon etc. to differentiate them from the provinces of the same name.)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Santiago, Philippines →
Santiago, Isabela – Upon checking with
WP:MOSPHIL, a Philippine city article may only be titled using the format "Cityname, Philippines" IF 1) It is a highly urbanized city; and 2) No other Philippine city or town has the same name. In the case of the city of Santiago in Isabela, it is an independent component city and two other places in the Philippines share its name:
Santiago, Agusan del Norte and
Santiago, Ilocos Sur. --
RioHondo (
talk)
15:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
The article has no single citation or reference to verify its content.Jher 04:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Are there any reliable and credible source for the artcile's claim SANTIAGO as the GATEWAY of the vast land of Cagayan Valley? I think that title rightfully credited to Santa Fe, Nueva Vizcaya linked via national highway. How about Cordon, Isabela as actually the gateway of Isabela province? Is that gateway transferrable? [I'm not joking, people]. Jher 12:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 15:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC) With your due respect sir/s, the term gateway here refers to the starting point of the vast lands or plains of Cagayan Valley. I know you are aware that Nueva Vizcaya is situated on a mountain range (Caraballo Mountains) up to parts of Cordon, Isabela. it is not a self proclaimed tag or nickname whatsoever. It just states that Santiago is the starting point of the vast plains inside the valley, vaguely implicated to add color or art to the sense (if you know what I mean).
This blog I found on this link http://lakbay-pilipinas.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_27.html by Lakbay Pilipinas was a copied version of Santiago's article credited to wikipedia. The page (referring to the blog) reflects earlier version prior to the article's (now in wikipedia) fraudulent edits.Jher 03:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 14:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC) Can you please cite examples of any "fraud" in this article. I myself know that the data and facts presented here are true given that I do live in Santiago City. If you could give some, I would be the happiest to edit them. Thank you
Place of Birth. All residents must not use SANTIAGO CITY or CITY OF SANTIAGO in their place of birth (birth place) unless if they were born on July 6, 1994 to present. Meaning, if you were born on July 5th, 1994 backwards, Santiago, Isabela should remain as their entry on place of birth. Jher 09:20, 8 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 02:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC) Thank you sir. I did not state anything that I know "everything" about Santiago. What I meant to say was that data presented here are true and accurate, most likely, because the infos were from the city government itself. And about that island thing you brought up, how and why should I know? I don't even know the name of each and every town or barangay of Isabela. And about the tag "Queen City of the North" thing, I guess the LGU or even residents of this city can freely use that because it's not stated in the law that a bill must be passed and be turned into an RA first before you use or tag your city as such, besides it was the Department of Tourism which gave that tag according to former mayor Amelita Navarro.
Wkjt14 ( talk) 02:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC) And lastly pertaining to your argument about "Place of Birth", I think it's a common knowledge sir. (I don't even get the idea why was it brought up here) Thank you sir!
Please try to review and revise the city's description in the article vis-a-vis its location in Isabela province. You have several other highly urbanized cities and independent component cities that are described as being geographically part of their old provinces. Some are even provincial capitals even when they are independent of their provinces, (e.g, Puerto Princesa, Palawan; Lucena, Quezon; Cagayan de Oro, Misamis Oriental; etc). Naga, Camarines Sur, despite being independent from Camarines Sur province, is titled with the province name as there is also a Naga in Cebu. But i have not seen those cities complaining about their geography. See Puerto Princesa example. It is NOT described as being "surrounded by the province of Palawan" but is actually within Palawan (as it obviously is!) despite being independent itself. So how can Santiago, historically and geographically part of Isabela, be "surrounded by Isabela and other provinces..." and an independent city in "Northern Luzon"? It sure can't get more precise than that. And Puerto Princesa is an independent city in "western Philippines" outside Palawan.-- RioHondo ( talk) 01:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Wkjt14 ( talk) 14:33, 5 November 2013 (UTC) As you know sir/s, highly-urbanized cities and independent-component cities are both independent cities, independent from the province. They are even on the same level with provinces as a matter of fact. ICC classification is the term for an independent city that does not meet the 200,000 or so number of population requirement to be classified as a HUC. Same is true with having a lone district (needs 250,000 number of population). In the case of Santiago, it only has 130,000+ population (2010 census) so it still needs to share it's congressional representative with the 4th district of Isabela. The bottom line, the category "Independent-component city" is only a term to distinct it from "highly-urbanized city", though they act very much the same, versus "component city" in which is under the jurisdiction of the province.
2 types of city in the Philippines: 1. independent city (HUCs and ICCs; part of a province geographically speaking and for cartographic convenience) 2. component city (part of province legally, financially, administratively, politically)
I hope to enlighten ou regarding this argument. Thank you.
I thought ABS-CBN Isabela's frequency is in channel 11 not in channel 2. Jher 01:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 22:22, 27 December 2013 (UTC) Upon checking with WP:MOSPHIL, places are often disambiguated by the country in which they lie, if this is sufficient. In case of an independent component or a highly urbanized city with the same name as that of another non-Philippine municipality and other Philippine city or town with the same name, use CityName, Philippines.
Santiago City is an independent component city and it has the same name with Santiago, Ilocos Sur and Santiago, Agusan del Norte which are both municipalities. I can now move Santiago, Isabela to Santiago, Philippines to further disambiguate it from other places named as such and for giving it the credit for being an independent city.
Wkjt14 ( talk) 19:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC) As of now, we follow WP:MOSPHIL. But as soon as the discussion is over, then we follow the ruled decision. There are only 38 independent cities in the Philippines, including Santiago, versus the other 100+ component cities which are part of their respective provinces. I don't think moving an independent city to its rightful category (first-level administrative division) will create confusion to the readers but instead will even show them the fact.
The representation of a city in the House of Representatives (or lack thereof) is not a criterion for its independence from a province, as Congress is for national legislation and is part of national (central) government. Despite Antipolo, Dasmariñas and San Jose del Monte having their own representatives in Congress, they are still component cities of Rizal, Cavite and Bulacan respectively, as their respective charters specifically converted them into component cities and do not contain any provision that severs their relations with their respective provincial governments. Conversely, the city of Cotabato has, since its incorporation in 1959, been autonomously governed from the provinces which surrounded it. Although for the purposes of representation in the various national legislatures the city has been grouped with the province of Cotabato (until 1972), Region XII (1978 to 1984), Maguindanao (1984 to 2007; 2008 to present), and Shariff Kabunsuan (2007 until its dissolution in 2008) and back with Cotabato (2008 onwards).
I think that's not reasonable sir Namayan. What if a municipality is turned into a city, should it still be treated as a municipality because of "convention" thing? Then what's the purpose of being a city then if we will still stick to what is conventional? Besides Santiago is an ICC, an independent city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.127.145 ( talk) 02:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
No further discussion as to whether the article be moved again [and again] to Santiago, Philippines. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a part of Philippine government for it to be under the subject of obedience or compliance to Philippine national or local laws. [userG]
Bombo Radyo is in Cauayuan, not in Santiago. DWDY is in Cauayan also, not in Santiago. DWND 88.5 is in Cauayan again, not in Santiago. Big Sound 95.3 is also in Cauayan, never in Santiago. Rock 104.5 is in Roxas, Isabela not in Santiago. 96.1 Star FM was in Cauayan never been in Santiago, a commercial station now defunct. [[userG] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.191.142.82 ( talk) 01:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Santiago (Philippine city). Jenks24 ( talk) 12:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Santiago, Isabela →
Santiago, Philippines – I appeal with the move that was made.
Wkjt14 (
talk •
contribs)
19:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
If Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, shouldn't it show FACTS? Then why did you discredit the reasons we have presented on this talk page? It creates mass confusion here. If the upgrade was from a municipality to a COMPONENT CITY then Santiago, Isabela is alright. But Santiago is an INDEPENDENT city. Please check the article of Angeles City. It is named Angeles, Philippines because it is in fact an independemt city. Why can't Santiago be named the same? The moderator sided with CONVENTIONAL reasons per se. If you say that the laws of the Philippines don't do justice, what would be the BEST evidence then? Please read the LGC SECTIONS 25 and 29 again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkjt14 ( talk • contribs) 19:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Santiago is an independent COMPONENT city in the province of Isabela. Dont circumvent your city charter.[userG] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.127.200 ( talk) 01:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's stick to Santiago, Isabela. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.127.7 ( talk) 10:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I support the short description as "Indepedent component city in Isabela, Philippines" as this city is not in the jurisdiction of the province of Isabela. To indicate as "Indepedent component city in Cagayan Valley, Philippines" is wrong! Government offices in Cagayan Valley in the regional level has jurisdiction to the city, e.g. DepEd region 2, DTI region 2, etc. etc. I hope this is clear.-- Gerry ( talk) 16:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Santiago is not a part of Isabela since it is an "independent component city." This should've been moved to Santiago. – HTD ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 09:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
112.198.78.122 ( talk) 09:29, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Bertrand Martinez (LINK: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=124867274259819&set=a.119462624800284.27594.119461068133773&type=1) is the MOST FAMOUS HOAXER who lived in this city. His HOAXES consists of Fake TV5 programs, Fake TV5 stations, Radyo Alagad HOAX, Fake Dream FM stations, Us Girls HOAXES which shows that the show allegedly air on 1975, Pangarap Kong Jackpot Hoax, among others. For more information, Log on to: http://www.facebook.com/LarsArnoldBertrand
Last time i checked, there is no Santiago Province in the Philippines for it to merit a 'City' suffix (like you would for the Cities of Batangas, Cebu, Davao, Iloilo, Quezon etc. to differentiate them from the provinces of the same name.)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Santiago, Philippines →
Santiago, Isabela – Upon checking with
WP:MOSPHIL, a Philippine city article may only be titled using the format "Cityname, Philippines" IF 1) It is a highly urbanized city; and 2) No other Philippine city or town has the same name. In the case of the city of Santiago in Isabela, it is an independent component city and two other places in the Philippines share its name:
Santiago, Agusan del Norte and
Santiago, Ilocos Sur. --
RioHondo (
talk)
15:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
The article has no single citation or reference to verify its content.Jher 04:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Are there any reliable and credible source for the artcile's claim SANTIAGO as the GATEWAY of the vast land of Cagayan Valley? I think that title rightfully credited to Santa Fe, Nueva Vizcaya linked via national highway. How about Cordon, Isabela as actually the gateway of Isabela province? Is that gateway transferrable? [I'm not joking, people]. Jher 12:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 15:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC) With your due respect sir/s, the term gateway here refers to the starting point of the vast lands or plains of Cagayan Valley. I know you are aware that Nueva Vizcaya is situated on a mountain range (Caraballo Mountains) up to parts of Cordon, Isabela. it is not a self proclaimed tag or nickname whatsoever. It just states that Santiago is the starting point of the vast plains inside the valley, vaguely implicated to add color or art to the sense (if you know what I mean).
This blog I found on this link http://lakbay-pilipinas.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_27.html by Lakbay Pilipinas was a copied version of Santiago's article credited to wikipedia. The page (referring to the blog) reflects earlier version prior to the article's (now in wikipedia) fraudulent edits.Jher 03:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 14:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC) Can you please cite examples of any "fraud" in this article. I myself know that the data and facts presented here are true given that I do live in Santiago City. If you could give some, I would be the happiest to edit them. Thank you
Place of Birth. All residents must not use SANTIAGO CITY or CITY OF SANTIAGO in their place of birth (birth place) unless if they were born on July 6, 1994 to present. Meaning, if you were born on July 5th, 1994 backwards, Santiago, Isabela should remain as their entry on place of birth. Jher 09:20, 8 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 02:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC) Thank you sir. I did not state anything that I know "everything" about Santiago. What I meant to say was that data presented here are true and accurate, most likely, because the infos were from the city government itself. And about that island thing you brought up, how and why should I know? I don't even know the name of each and every town or barangay of Isabela. And about the tag "Queen City of the North" thing, I guess the LGU or even residents of this city can freely use that because it's not stated in the law that a bill must be passed and be turned into an RA first before you use or tag your city as such, besides it was the Department of Tourism which gave that tag according to former mayor Amelita Navarro.
Wkjt14 ( talk) 02:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC) And lastly pertaining to your argument about "Place of Birth", I think it's a common knowledge sir. (I don't even get the idea why was it brought up here) Thank you sir!
Please try to review and revise the city's description in the article vis-a-vis its location in Isabela province. You have several other highly urbanized cities and independent component cities that are described as being geographically part of their old provinces. Some are even provincial capitals even when they are independent of their provinces, (e.g, Puerto Princesa, Palawan; Lucena, Quezon; Cagayan de Oro, Misamis Oriental; etc). Naga, Camarines Sur, despite being independent from Camarines Sur province, is titled with the province name as there is also a Naga in Cebu. But i have not seen those cities complaining about their geography. See Puerto Princesa example. It is NOT described as being "surrounded by the province of Palawan" but is actually within Palawan (as it obviously is!) despite being independent itself. So how can Santiago, historically and geographically part of Isabela, be "surrounded by Isabela and other provinces..." and an independent city in "Northern Luzon"? It sure can't get more precise than that. And Puerto Princesa is an independent city in "western Philippines" outside Palawan.-- RioHondo ( talk) 01:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Wkjt14 ( talk) 14:33, 5 November 2013 (UTC) As you know sir/s, highly-urbanized cities and independent-component cities are both independent cities, independent from the province. They are even on the same level with provinces as a matter of fact. ICC classification is the term for an independent city that does not meet the 200,000 or so number of population requirement to be classified as a HUC. Same is true with having a lone district (needs 250,000 number of population). In the case of Santiago, it only has 130,000+ population (2010 census) so it still needs to share it's congressional representative with the 4th district of Isabela. The bottom line, the category "Independent-component city" is only a term to distinct it from "highly-urbanized city", though they act very much the same, versus "component city" in which is under the jurisdiction of the province.
2 types of city in the Philippines: 1. independent city (HUCs and ICCs; part of a province geographically speaking and for cartographic convenience) 2. component city (part of province legally, financially, administratively, politically)
I hope to enlighten ou regarding this argument. Thank you.
I thought ABS-CBN Isabela's frequency is in channel 11 not in channel 2. Jher 01:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)GerryYabes
Wkjt14 ( talk) 22:22, 27 December 2013 (UTC) Upon checking with WP:MOSPHIL, places are often disambiguated by the country in which they lie, if this is sufficient. In case of an independent component or a highly urbanized city with the same name as that of another non-Philippine municipality and other Philippine city or town with the same name, use CityName, Philippines.
Santiago City is an independent component city and it has the same name with Santiago, Ilocos Sur and Santiago, Agusan del Norte which are both municipalities. I can now move Santiago, Isabela to Santiago, Philippines to further disambiguate it from other places named as such and for giving it the credit for being an independent city.
Wkjt14 ( talk) 19:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC) As of now, we follow WP:MOSPHIL. But as soon as the discussion is over, then we follow the ruled decision. There are only 38 independent cities in the Philippines, including Santiago, versus the other 100+ component cities which are part of their respective provinces. I don't think moving an independent city to its rightful category (first-level administrative division) will create confusion to the readers but instead will even show them the fact.
The representation of a city in the House of Representatives (or lack thereof) is not a criterion for its independence from a province, as Congress is for national legislation and is part of national (central) government. Despite Antipolo, Dasmariñas and San Jose del Monte having their own representatives in Congress, they are still component cities of Rizal, Cavite and Bulacan respectively, as their respective charters specifically converted them into component cities and do not contain any provision that severs their relations with their respective provincial governments. Conversely, the city of Cotabato has, since its incorporation in 1959, been autonomously governed from the provinces which surrounded it. Although for the purposes of representation in the various national legislatures the city has been grouped with the province of Cotabato (until 1972), Region XII (1978 to 1984), Maguindanao (1984 to 2007; 2008 to present), and Shariff Kabunsuan (2007 until its dissolution in 2008) and back with Cotabato (2008 onwards).
I think that's not reasonable sir Namayan. What if a municipality is turned into a city, should it still be treated as a municipality because of "convention" thing? Then what's the purpose of being a city then if we will still stick to what is conventional? Besides Santiago is an ICC, an independent city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.127.145 ( talk) 02:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
No further discussion as to whether the article be moved again [and again] to Santiago, Philippines. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a part of Philippine government for it to be under the subject of obedience or compliance to Philippine national or local laws. [userG]
Bombo Radyo is in Cauayuan, not in Santiago. DWDY is in Cauayan also, not in Santiago. DWND 88.5 is in Cauayan again, not in Santiago. Big Sound 95.3 is also in Cauayan, never in Santiago. Rock 104.5 is in Roxas, Isabela not in Santiago. 96.1 Star FM was in Cauayan never been in Santiago, a commercial station now defunct. [[userG] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.191.142.82 ( talk) 01:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Santiago (Philippine city). Jenks24 ( talk) 12:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Santiago, Isabela →
Santiago, Philippines – I appeal with the move that was made.
Wkjt14 (
talk •
contribs)
19:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
If Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, shouldn't it show FACTS? Then why did you discredit the reasons we have presented on this talk page? It creates mass confusion here. If the upgrade was from a municipality to a COMPONENT CITY then Santiago, Isabela is alright. But Santiago is an INDEPENDENT city. Please check the article of Angeles City. It is named Angeles, Philippines because it is in fact an independemt city. Why can't Santiago be named the same? The moderator sided with CONVENTIONAL reasons per se. If you say that the laws of the Philippines don't do justice, what would be the BEST evidence then? Please read the LGC SECTIONS 25 and 29 again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkjt14 ( talk • contribs) 19:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Santiago is an independent COMPONENT city in the province of Isabela. Dont circumvent your city charter.[userG] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.127.200 ( talk) 01:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's stick to Santiago, Isabela. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.127.7 ( talk) 10:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I support the short description as "Indepedent component city in Isabela, Philippines" as this city is not in the jurisdiction of the province of Isabela. To indicate as "Indepedent component city in Cagayan Valley, Philippines" is wrong! Government offices in Cagayan Valley in the regional level has jurisdiction to the city, e.g. DepEd region 2, DTI region 2, etc. etc. I hope this is clear.-- Gerry ( talk) 16:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)