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Should the introduction to the article be "agnostic" about the existence of the modern Santa Claus, or should it say that Santa Claus is not a real, currently living person? 03:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, the lead should be agnostic. | No, the lead should be clear that Santa Claus does not exist. |
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The introduction should not make claims (either way) about the literal existence of Santa Claus. Readers who are unfamiliar or uncertain should not be told whether or not he is actually a real, currently living person. |
The introduction does not need to remain silent about the literal existence of Santa Claus. Readers who are unfamiliar or uncertain should learn that Santa Claus is not actually a real, currently living person. |
The editors at this article are looking for general information about the overall feel for the introduction to the article, rather than help deciding for or against a specific proposal. If it's easier for you to think of it in these terms, then just imagine us all next December, when someone wants to add either "Santa is real" or "Santa is not real" content to the first paragraph, and we're trying to convince them that the community really thinks their changes aren't a good approach, except that we've got no evidence to back up what we claim you think. So, please make our December happier by telling us what you think now. :-)
Note that the outcome of this discussion does not need to result in any drastic or ham-fisted change, like adding "Santa isn't real, he doesn't have flying reindeer, and he's not bringing you any presents!" to the article. Instead, it could result in no change (we've identified the general direction, and we're satisfied with what we've got for now). However, it could also result in some smaller changes. For example, if editors decide that the introduction should provide direct information about Santa Claus' non-existence, then we could (for example) add information about why parents maintain this tradition, or the age at which children stop believing in Santa Claus (which is usually around age 8, for anyone who's curious). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 03:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
:-)
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 03:02, 21 May 2019 (UTC)Note that the outcome of this discussion does not need to result in any drastic or ham-fisted change, like adding "Santa isn't real, he doesn't have flying reindeer, and he's not bringing you any presents!" to the article. Instead, it could result in no change (we've identified the general direction, and we're satisfied with what we've got for now). However, it could also result in some smaller changes. For example, if editors decide that the introduction should provide direct information about Santa Claus' non-existence, then we could (for example) add information about why parents maintain this tradition, or the age at which children stop believing in Santa Claus
"But you go ahead Henry, you do it your way. You go on back in there and tell them that you rule there is no Santy Claus. Go on. But if you do, remember this: you can count on getting just two votes, your own and that district attorney's out there."- the campaign manager. ( Summoned by bot) Chris Troutman ( talk) 13:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
As there have been several comments that assume young children (i.e., those who still believe in Santa Claus; it's a developmental thing) will read this article, I thought I'd spend a while sorting out whether that's plausible. Bottom line up front: It's not.
The current lead for this article is written at a Reading level that is suitable for university students. Depending upon the model you prefer, it's either undergraduate or graduate levels. For example, the Flesch–Kincaid readability tests' "reading ease" test gives it a score around 45, and a US grade level of 15, which is equivalent to the third year of university.
The median age at which children stop believing that Santa Claus is a real, living person is age 8. That means that they're usually capable of reading material with an FK score around 110 and a US grade level of 2. I seriously doubt whether anyone who believes in Santa Claus is going to be able to read this article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 22:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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SANTA IS NOT REAL
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Noticed misuse of the word "principal." Change to "principle" in the following line:
Change this: When Ak, Master Woodsman of the World, exposes him to the misery and poverty of children in the outside world, Santa strives to find a way to bring joy into the lives of all children, and eventually invents toys as a principal means.
To this: When Ak, Master Woodsman of the World, exposes him to the misery and poverty of children in the outside world, Santa strives to find a way to bring joy into the lives of all children, and eventually invents toys as a principle means. 148.75.165.228 ( talk) 14:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Done. MegaGoat ( talk) 14:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
...Almost thought I had it, looked it up, guess it was wrong. But thanks for noticing the error. MegaGoat ( talk) 14:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I didn't see anything about traditions in Argentina, where I live. Here children put out their shoes on the eve of 5th. January, because the Three Magi visit that night and leave small gifts. The 6th. January is a national holiday. As we celebrate Nativity in the summer, nowadays not so much is made of Santa and his sleigh, especially concerning poorer people. On Christmas Eve it's traditional for neighborhood people to walk around near their Church with candles and maybe chanting religious songs, especially about the Virgin Mary and Jesus, as well as God. Then there is a midnight Mass. Wealthier families have the traditional feast same as in other western countries, although Christmas is mostly called Navidad, or Nativity. I could probably think of other stuff to mention, but I noticed nothing much is mentioned about our latino traditions. I love Wikipedia. Sylvia SylviaEvelyn ( talk) 02:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Tonight on WWE's Monday Night Raw, Santa Claus won the WWE 24/7 Championship, defating Akira Tozawa for the title before losing it to R-Truth. As other non-wrestling celebrities have won the title (such as Marshmello and Kyle Busch), I was wondering how his brief reign should be listed on this page (I'm thinking just with the template and category). Tom Danson ( talk) 04:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
The modern Santa Claus (of the canonical Coca-Cola-advertisement-style) is called der Weihnachtsmann in German. This is seen as a completely separate person from Saint Nicholas. Der Weihnachtsmann wears red and white fur and shows up at the end of December; St Nicholas wears the clothes of a medieval Catholic bishop and shows up in early December. Weihnachtsmann redirects to this page, but none of this is explained.
Of course, in English-speaking countries, St Nick and Santa are two names for the same character. But the distinction is preserved in some countries, and perhaps the fact should be at least mentioned. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 05:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Does this sentence contain a mis-typing? Viz: "With no greater good at the heart of this lie than having some fun, some have charged that the deception is more about the parents, their short-term happiness in seeing children excited about Santa Claus, and their nostalgic unwillingness to prolong the age of magical thinking, than it is about the children."
It would seem to make more sense if it were a willingness or urge to prolong, rather than unwilligness as stated. NeilOnWiki ( talk) 10:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
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Why are you trying to ruin magic for children by putting this on an easy google Search? 82.6.53.68 ( talk) 19:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't we use the word fictional not imaginary? This is consistent with other articles like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Elsa (character) etc. which refer to them as "fictional" not "imaginary". Spacemo80 ( talk) 13:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of Wikipedia is not to redefine cultural norms or teach people what to think; children don't need Wiki based editorial commentary to protect them. Saint Nicholas was very much a real person and is the character upon whom Saint Nick aka Santa Claus, Santa Klaus is based. Those are nicknames for Nicholas. It is best to leave it neutral and state the obvious - the story of the historical person, Saint Nicholas, has in European Christian culture evolved over the past 15 centuries. It's not necessary to belittle a billion people's religious beliefs just to make a Wiki entry. SanaroG ( talk) 01:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
That's actually what I wanted to write in the first place. I made a compromise with DonFB to use "imaginary" instead of "fictional", but I would gladly change it to "fictional" if everyone is fine with it. Félix An ( talk) 02:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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SANTA IS REAL
Santa Claus is a character from folklore and legend, not fiction because the authors didn't create it, the fictional character is Mrs. Claus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gugaantony ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
"Typically, after the children have fallen asleep, parents play the role of Santa Claus and leave their gifts under the Christmas tree. Tags on gifts for children are sometimes signed by their parents "From Santa Claus" before the gifts are laid beneath the tree."
Félix An (
talk) 01:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
What I mean by "cultural context" can be seen in analogous situations concerning Muhammad and gender identity. Culturally, Muslims frown on depicting Muhammad through art. The infobox at Muhammad, unlike virtually all other contemporaneous personages, does not contain a depiction of Muhammad. A note regarding this from their talk page is as follows: "This has been discussed many times on Talk:Muhammad and many debates can be found in the archives. Because calligraphic depictions of Muhammad are the most common and recognizable worldwide, the current consensus is to include a calligraphic depiction of Muhammad in the infobox and artist's depictions further down in the article." Similarly, avoidance of exposing Santa's "fictionhood" are common in news media (to avoid spoiling children) and are therefore "the most common" ways to describe Santa worldwide. There are, however, depictions of Muhammad later down the Muhammad article, as well as in the separate article depictions of Muhammad—just as there are "depictions" of Santa's true fictional nature later down in Santa's article.
Similarly, culturally, it is now customary in Western societies to refer to persons using their preferred pronouns and gender, regardless of biological sex. It is even customary (within Wikipedia at least) to avoid reference to birthnames/"deadnames" when the person wasn't notable under that name. Is this censoring? Some would argue so, but others would say it must be viewed through the lens of cultural context and weighed against WP:OM, for example: "Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available." Legendary is the suitable alternative here; including the offensive material in the body sections instead of the intro is the suitable alternative here. There is no reason why the cultural offensiveness of Muhammad's depiction in the lede of Muhammad or the birthname/deadname/sex of Zoe Quinn in that article are any different than the cultural offensiveness of certain material prominently featured on Santa.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 23:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
1. Should the lead section use the word "legendary", "imaginary", "mythical", or something else?
2. Should the lead section include a paragraph that notes that the role of Santa Claus is fulfilled by parents?
Félix An (
talk) 15:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Maybe it should be clearer that the red-suited figure in the floppy cap with reindeer and gifts originated in the United States in the 19th century, and spread around? See for example Saint Nicholas and the Origin of Santa Claus. Maybe something like,
Santa Claus, also known as Father Christmas, Saint Nicholas, Saint Nick, Kris Kringle, or simply Santa, is
an imaginary[1]a character originating in the United States in the early 19th century who is said to bring gifts to the homes of well-behaved children on the night of Christmas Eve (24 December) or during the early morning hours of Christmas Day (25 December). [1] The modern character of Santa Claus was loosely based on traditions surrounding the historical Saint Nicholas...
There is enough concern about "American Santa" pushing out other traditions, that there is pushback in some countries. [2] Thoughts? Mathglot ( talk) 20:56, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
How about this, a mix of everything:
Santa Claus, also known as Father Christmas, Saint Nicholas, Saint Nick, Kris Kringle, or simply Santa, is a imaginary [3] character originating in festive legends and folklore in Western culture. This legendary character is said to bring gifts to the homes of well-behaved children on the night of Christmas Eve (24 December) or during the early morning hours of Christmas Day (25 December)
Félix An ( talk) 15:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Revisited article to see what the lede currently says, and looked at the cited Washington Post item, which serves as a footnote to "legendary" and discovered that the WaPo article does not use the word "legendary" at all, but does use the word "imaginary" three times and "imagination" twice. Consensus on an adjective still seems to be up for grabs, but this footnote sure does not support "legendary", but does support "imaginary".
DonFB (
talk) 04:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Since many people really want to stick with "legendary," I added a footnote to clarify to readers the correct interpretation of that word in this context. Félix An ( talk) 00:23, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Why has the RFC template just been removed with the comment that the RFC has "expired"? I thought we've all been waiting for someone to close it. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 16:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hello I want to edit the worse because I want to put how Santa loves my daughter Rachel and show her that because that is her wish so would you be a doll and let me edit it please? Emily.Baire.08.26 ( talk) 05:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 🧑🎄. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 3#🧑🎄 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesome Hwyh 15:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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The last paragraph before the section ‘Criticism’ has a full-stop instead of a comma next to the word ‘geography’. 71.178.41.80 ( talk) 17:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Second to last paragraph of Letter writing to Santa contains two sentences that should have a period and space between them.
Should be "precisely at the Arctic circle. His address is: Santa Claus" instead of "precisely at the Arctic circleHis address is: Santa Claus" Matrew ( talk) 20:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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Should the introduction to the article be "agnostic" about the existence of the modern Santa Claus, or should it say that Santa Claus is not a real, currently living person? 03:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, the lead should be agnostic. | No, the lead should be clear that Santa Claus does not exist. |
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The introduction should not make claims (either way) about the literal existence of Santa Claus. Readers who are unfamiliar or uncertain should not be told whether or not he is actually a real, currently living person. |
The introduction does not need to remain silent about the literal existence of Santa Claus. Readers who are unfamiliar or uncertain should learn that Santa Claus is not actually a real, currently living person. |
The editors at this article are looking for general information about the overall feel for the introduction to the article, rather than help deciding for or against a specific proposal. If it's easier for you to think of it in these terms, then just imagine us all next December, when someone wants to add either "Santa is real" or "Santa is not real" content to the first paragraph, and we're trying to convince them that the community really thinks their changes aren't a good approach, except that we've got no evidence to back up what we claim you think. So, please make our December happier by telling us what you think now. :-)
Note that the outcome of this discussion does not need to result in any drastic or ham-fisted change, like adding "Santa isn't real, he doesn't have flying reindeer, and he's not bringing you any presents!" to the article. Instead, it could result in no change (we've identified the general direction, and we're satisfied with what we've got for now). However, it could also result in some smaller changes. For example, if editors decide that the introduction should provide direct information about Santa Claus' non-existence, then we could (for example) add information about why parents maintain this tradition, or the age at which children stop believing in Santa Claus (which is usually around age 8, for anyone who's curious). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 03:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
:-)
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 03:02, 21 May 2019 (UTC)Note that the outcome of this discussion does not need to result in any drastic or ham-fisted change, like adding "Santa isn't real, he doesn't have flying reindeer, and he's not bringing you any presents!" to the article. Instead, it could result in no change (we've identified the general direction, and we're satisfied with what we've got for now). However, it could also result in some smaller changes. For example, if editors decide that the introduction should provide direct information about Santa Claus' non-existence, then we could (for example) add information about why parents maintain this tradition, or the age at which children stop believing in Santa Claus
"But you go ahead Henry, you do it your way. You go on back in there and tell them that you rule there is no Santy Claus. Go on. But if you do, remember this: you can count on getting just two votes, your own and that district attorney's out there."- the campaign manager. ( Summoned by bot) Chris Troutman ( talk) 13:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
As there have been several comments that assume young children (i.e., those who still believe in Santa Claus; it's a developmental thing) will read this article, I thought I'd spend a while sorting out whether that's plausible. Bottom line up front: It's not.
The current lead for this article is written at a Reading level that is suitable for university students. Depending upon the model you prefer, it's either undergraduate or graduate levels. For example, the Flesch–Kincaid readability tests' "reading ease" test gives it a score around 45, and a US grade level of 15, which is equivalent to the third year of university.
The median age at which children stop believing that Santa Claus is a real, living person is age 8. That means that they're usually capable of reading material with an FK score around 110 and a US grade level of 2. I seriously doubt whether anyone who believes in Santa Claus is going to be able to read this article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 22:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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SANTA IS NOT REAL
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Noticed misuse of the word "principal." Change to "principle" in the following line:
Change this: When Ak, Master Woodsman of the World, exposes him to the misery and poverty of children in the outside world, Santa strives to find a way to bring joy into the lives of all children, and eventually invents toys as a principal means.
To this: When Ak, Master Woodsman of the World, exposes him to the misery and poverty of children in the outside world, Santa strives to find a way to bring joy into the lives of all children, and eventually invents toys as a principle means. 148.75.165.228 ( talk) 14:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Done. MegaGoat ( talk) 14:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
...Almost thought I had it, looked it up, guess it was wrong. But thanks for noticing the error. MegaGoat ( talk) 14:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I didn't see anything about traditions in Argentina, where I live. Here children put out their shoes on the eve of 5th. January, because the Three Magi visit that night and leave small gifts. The 6th. January is a national holiday. As we celebrate Nativity in the summer, nowadays not so much is made of Santa and his sleigh, especially concerning poorer people. On Christmas Eve it's traditional for neighborhood people to walk around near their Church with candles and maybe chanting religious songs, especially about the Virgin Mary and Jesus, as well as God. Then there is a midnight Mass. Wealthier families have the traditional feast same as in other western countries, although Christmas is mostly called Navidad, or Nativity. I could probably think of other stuff to mention, but I noticed nothing much is mentioned about our latino traditions. I love Wikipedia. Sylvia SylviaEvelyn ( talk) 02:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Tonight on WWE's Monday Night Raw, Santa Claus won the WWE 24/7 Championship, defating Akira Tozawa for the title before losing it to R-Truth. As other non-wrestling celebrities have won the title (such as Marshmello and Kyle Busch), I was wondering how his brief reign should be listed on this page (I'm thinking just with the template and category). Tom Danson ( talk) 04:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
The modern Santa Claus (of the canonical Coca-Cola-advertisement-style) is called der Weihnachtsmann in German. This is seen as a completely separate person from Saint Nicholas. Der Weihnachtsmann wears red and white fur and shows up at the end of December; St Nicholas wears the clothes of a medieval Catholic bishop and shows up in early December. Weihnachtsmann redirects to this page, but none of this is explained.
Of course, in English-speaking countries, St Nick and Santa are two names for the same character. But the distinction is preserved in some countries, and perhaps the fact should be at least mentioned. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 05:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Does this sentence contain a mis-typing? Viz: "With no greater good at the heart of this lie than having some fun, some have charged that the deception is more about the parents, their short-term happiness in seeing children excited about Santa Claus, and their nostalgic unwillingness to prolong the age of magical thinking, than it is about the children."
It would seem to make more sense if it were a willingness or urge to prolong, rather than unwilligness as stated. NeilOnWiki ( talk) 10:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
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Why are you trying to ruin magic for children by putting this on an easy google Search? 82.6.53.68 ( talk) 19:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't we use the word fictional not imaginary? This is consistent with other articles like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Elsa (character) etc. which refer to them as "fictional" not "imaginary". Spacemo80 ( talk) 13:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of Wikipedia is not to redefine cultural norms or teach people what to think; children don't need Wiki based editorial commentary to protect them. Saint Nicholas was very much a real person and is the character upon whom Saint Nick aka Santa Claus, Santa Klaus is based. Those are nicknames for Nicholas. It is best to leave it neutral and state the obvious - the story of the historical person, Saint Nicholas, has in European Christian culture evolved over the past 15 centuries. It's not necessary to belittle a billion people's religious beliefs just to make a Wiki entry. SanaroG ( talk) 01:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
That's actually what I wanted to write in the first place. I made a compromise with DonFB to use "imaginary" instead of "fictional", but I would gladly change it to "fictional" if everyone is fine with it. Félix An ( talk) 02:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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SANTA IS REAL
Santa Claus is a character from folklore and legend, not fiction because the authors didn't create it, the fictional character is Mrs. Claus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gugaantony ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
"Typically, after the children have fallen asleep, parents play the role of Santa Claus and leave their gifts under the Christmas tree. Tags on gifts for children are sometimes signed by their parents "From Santa Claus" before the gifts are laid beneath the tree."
Félix An (
talk) 01:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
What I mean by "cultural context" can be seen in analogous situations concerning Muhammad and gender identity. Culturally, Muslims frown on depicting Muhammad through art. The infobox at Muhammad, unlike virtually all other contemporaneous personages, does not contain a depiction of Muhammad. A note regarding this from their talk page is as follows: "This has been discussed many times on Talk:Muhammad and many debates can be found in the archives. Because calligraphic depictions of Muhammad are the most common and recognizable worldwide, the current consensus is to include a calligraphic depiction of Muhammad in the infobox and artist's depictions further down in the article." Similarly, avoidance of exposing Santa's "fictionhood" are common in news media (to avoid spoiling children) and are therefore "the most common" ways to describe Santa worldwide. There are, however, depictions of Muhammad later down the Muhammad article, as well as in the separate article depictions of Muhammad—just as there are "depictions" of Santa's true fictional nature later down in Santa's article.
Similarly, culturally, it is now customary in Western societies to refer to persons using their preferred pronouns and gender, regardless of biological sex. It is even customary (within Wikipedia at least) to avoid reference to birthnames/"deadnames" when the person wasn't notable under that name. Is this censoring? Some would argue so, but others would say it must be viewed through the lens of cultural context and weighed against WP:OM, for example: "Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available." Legendary is the suitable alternative here; including the offensive material in the body sections instead of the intro is the suitable alternative here. There is no reason why the cultural offensiveness of Muhammad's depiction in the lede of Muhammad or the birthname/deadname/sex of Zoe Quinn in that article are any different than the cultural offensiveness of certain material prominently featured on Santa.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 23:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
1. Should the lead section use the word "legendary", "imaginary", "mythical", or something else?
2. Should the lead section include a paragraph that notes that the role of Santa Claus is fulfilled by parents?
Félix An (
talk) 15:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Maybe it should be clearer that the red-suited figure in the floppy cap with reindeer and gifts originated in the United States in the 19th century, and spread around? See for example Saint Nicholas and the Origin of Santa Claus. Maybe something like,
Santa Claus, also known as Father Christmas, Saint Nicholas, Saint Nick, Kris Kringle, or simply Santa, is
an imaginary[1]a character originating in the United States in the early 19th century who is said to bring gifts to the homes of well-behaved children on the night of Christmas Eve (24 December) or during the early morning hours of Christmas Day (25 December). [1] The modern character of Santa Claus was loosely based on traditions surrounding the historical Saint Nicholas...
There is enough concern about "American Santa" pushing out other traditions, that there is pushback in some countries. [2] Thoughts? Mathglot ( talk) 20:56, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
How about this, a mix of everything:
Santa Claus, also known as Father Christmas, Saint Nicholas, Saint Nick, Kris Kringle, or simply Santa, is a imaginary [3] character originating in festive legends and folklore in Western culture. This legendary character is said to bring gifts to the homes of well-behaved children on the night of Christmas Eve (24 December) or during the early morning hours of Christmas Day (25 December)
Félix An ( talk) 15:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Revisited article to see what the lede currently says, and looked at the cited Washington Post item, which serves as a footnote to "legendary" and discovered that the WaPo article does not use the word "legendary" at all, but does use the word "imaginary" three times and "imagination" twice. Consensus on an adjective still seems to be up for grabs, but this footnote sure does not support "legendary", but does support "imaginary".
DonFB (
talk) 04:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Since many people really want to stick with "legendary," I added a footnote to clarify to readers the correct interpretation of that word in this context. Félix An ( talk) 00:23, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Why has the RFC template just been removed with the comment that the RFC has "expired"? I thought we've all been waiting for someone to close it. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 16:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hello I want to edit the worse because I want to put how Santa loves my daughter Rachel and show her that because that is her wish so would you be a doll and let me edit it please? Emily.Baire.08.26 ( talk) 05:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 🧑🎄. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 3#🧑🎄 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesome Hwyh 15:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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The last paragraph before the section ‘Criticism’ has a full-stop instead of a comma next to the word ‘geography’. 71.178.41.80 ( talk) 17:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Second to last paragraph of Letter writing to Santa contains two sentences that should have a period and space between them.
Should be "precisely at the Arctic circle. His address is: Santa Claus" instead of "precisely at the Arctic circleHis address is: Santa Claus" Matrew ( talk) 20:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)