Wikipedia:Cleanup_Taskforce/Sanguinarian
This is the first article I have written from scratch on Wikipedia, so be sure to leave feedback if you change anything. I intend to add source information when I have more time, until then it shall remain somewhat lacking (I am aware this is the case) and I would hope that others will fill in the gaps. I expect many Sanguinarians will be annoyed that I've posted this here, since it violates The Black Veil so blatantly, but we shall see. I have also left out some internal links, since I do not currently have the time to write articles about them (such as about the Synod).
Rushyo 17:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
The work you have done thus far is great; they seem to reflect the consensus of the ‘community’. However, since I do not belong to said community, I’d just like to help you out. Thus far I have corrected lots of little things for you, set up a few redirects to make your life easier and today I’m sure ill help out more. However I’m having trouble finding creditable references, e.g. papers, medical journals, books, theses, et cetera. I do not feel that providing only POV web resources is the best, but so far you’ve done great! --Charles 19:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
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re: the interview listing - the copyright line on the photograph does not necessarily indicate identity of the person within the photograph. -- Anonymous
I dont understand why sanguinarians are only confined to places in the US. Why dont we hear cases of it in Middle East, Russia, Africa etc. like some real diseases like AIDS.-- 82.194.62.22 12:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why this article shouldn't be merged with Vampire Lifestyle. What seems to distinguish sanguinarianism from the vampire lifestyle is the medical need for blood. However, there is no verifiable evidence of this need. Whereas, there is abundant verifiable scientific evidence of schizophrenia. Comments? Dan Lovejoy 04:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Forgive my brusqueness here - but I think we're getting a bit far afield. Your inclusion of Vitamin C references here proves the point. If there were similar references to a physiological need to feed on human blood, I assume you would have linked them. Instead, you've given us a bunch of Vitamin C references. But Vitamin C is not relevant to the discussion here. Perhaps you've knocked down a straw man argument, but in doing so, you've reinforced that fact that that there's no evidence to support sanguinarianism as a scientific phenomenon. (From Dan Lovejoy)
Ronabop - your point is well taken, but we still don't need two separate articles. Once the Sanguinarian content is cleaned up and properly sourced, there will be very, very little left - perhaps no actual encyclopedic material. Since it's already covered in Vampire lifestyle, I don't think it belongs in its own article.
Also, I did an EBSCO academic search and came up with scads of materials on Vampirism, but not one hit on "sanguinarianism" or "sanguinarian." I couldn't find it on the web except on vampirism web sites. Is the term used by non-vampires and non-sanguianarians? (From Dan Lovejoy)
Finally, I have to ask - is it your goal to legitimize sanguinarianism through the Wikipedia, or to truly describe the phenomenon? Is your goal to write an encyclopedia, or to promote a particular point of view? Dan Lovejoy 19:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Merging it sounds appropriate to me. Also, all the info that's not from a reliable source should probably be removed. Some random kid's website isn't a reliable source. This might mean there's not much left after, which which may make it easier to merge. Friday (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, please keep this article separate and rework the vampire lifestyle entry. Since the term "sanguinarian" rose within the vampire community to differentiate between those who feel the need to drink blood and those who do not, also termed "psychic" or "energy" vampires, perhaps such information should be included in this article in order to avoid confusion. If a merge is thought to be appropriate, I would suggest merging the Energy Vampire entry with the Sanguinarian entry, removing references to folklore. The combined entry could be termed Modern Vampirism or something to that effect. 205.162.51.85 22:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Sylvere ap Leanan
The problem is, for sanguinarians mostly, is that there is indeed no scientific proof for our condition. (or, possibly just not discovered yet in the dusty halls of medicine). All we have are "some kids website". I think our collective experiences are important and should not be shunned because there is no official Sanguinarian website on the net. MFuture 22:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It looks like a bunch of stuff is being added that's not backed up by reliable sources. Unless proper sources can be found, it should probably be trimmed. Personal websites are not considered reliable sources- it's too easy for a person to turn an article into their own personal essay that way. Friday (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
As you can see from recent work I've done in the Renfield Syndrome article, merging it with Sanguinarian clearly doesn't make sense. The Renfield Syndrome is a psychological disease, while the term Sanguinarian is employed by those who think the affliction is physical. Merging the Renfield Syndrome with Sanguinarian would be like merging Hunger with Compulsive overeating, or Dieting with Anorexia nervosa--– sampi ( talk• contrib) 07:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed this from the article because all it says is that it ISN'T related. But I'll put it here for the record:
Sangomancy is in no way related to sanguinarianism. Sangomancy is derived from the same word 'Sanguine' but it deals with blood magic (possibly ' blood ritual'). This root word connection is the only tie between the two.
I'm here on behalf of the Cleanup Taskforce. I'm going to try and compile a list of things that need to be done here. There is basic formatting work that needs to be done. Anything else? --K erowyn 21:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
This article appears to contradict parts of the Vampire Lifestyle article, including the point about its status as a hereditary condition. Falcon 18:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Because we talked about the need for a merge in the past, the article author got all pipssy about it, but facts are that this article is the exact same topic as that other article and it goes against Wikipedia policy to have fork files on the same topic so different people can push different POVs on the same topic. Not to mention that this things has been tagged as needing severe cleanup and verification and so forth since November and it never got done. Instead it starts out right away talking about prannic energy and so-called Energy vampires and assorted poorly worded crap.
If you think anything from this article is worth salvaging, please go into the history and move anything worthwhile to Vampire lifestyle, where the editors are slightly more active and you can come to some sort of agreement on this whole bloodsucking thing instead of having separate POVs in separate locations. DreamGuy 19:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Cleanup_Taskforce/Sanguinarian
This is the first article I have written from scratch on Wikipedia, so be sure to leave feedback if you change anything. I intend to add source information when I have more time, until then it shall remain somewhat lacking (I am aware this is the case) and I would hope that others will fill in the gaps. I expect many Sanguinarians will be annoyed that I've posted this here, since it violates The Black Veil so blatantly, but we shall see. I have also left out some internal links, since I do not currently have the time to write articles about them (such as about the Synod).
Rushyo 17:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
The work you have done thus far is great; they seem to reflect the consensus of the ‘community’. However, since I do not belong to said community, I’d just like to help you out. Thus far I have corrected lots of little things for you, set up a few redirects to make your life easier and today I’m sure ill help out more. However I’m having trouble finding creditable references, e.g. papers, medical journals, books, theses, et cetera. I do not feel that providing only POV web resources is the best, but so far you’ve done great! --Charles 19:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
xxxxxxx
re: the interview listing - the copyright line on the photograph does not necessarily indicate identity of the person within the photograph. -- Anonymous
I dont understand why sanguinarians are only confined to places in the US. Why dont we hear cases of it in Middle East, Russia, Africa etc. like some real diseases like AIDS.-- 82.194.62.22 12:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why this article shouldn't be merged with Vampire Lifestyle. What seems to distinguish sanguinarianism from the vampire lifestyle is the medical need for blood. However, there is no verifiable evidence of this need. Whereas, there is abundant verifiable scientific evidence of schizophrenia. Comments? Dan Lovejoy 04:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Forgive my brusqueness here - but I think we're getting a bit far afield. Your inclusion of Vitamin C references here proves the point. If there were similar references to a physiological need to feed on human blood, I assume you would have linked them. Instead, you've given us a bunch of Vitamin C references. But Vitamin C is not relevant to the discussion here. Perhaps you've knocked down a straw man argument, but in doing so, you've reinforced that fact that that there's no evidence to support sanguinarianism as a scientific phenomenon. (From Dan Lovejoy)
Ronabop - your point is well taken, but we still don't need two separate articles. Once the Sanguinarian content is cleaned up and properly sourced, there will be very, very little left - perhaps no actual encyclopedic material. Since it's already covered in Vampire lifestyle, I don't think it belongs in its own article.
Also, I did an EBSCO academic search and came up with scads of materials on Vampirism, but not one hit on "sanguinarianism" or "sanguinarian." I couldn't find it on the web except on vampirism web sites. Is the term used by non-vampires and non-sanguianarians? (From Dan Lovejoy)
Finally, I have to ask - is it your goal to legitimize sanguinarianism through the Wikipedia, or to truly describe the phenomenon? Is your goal to write an encyclopedia, or to promote a particular point of view? Dan Lovejoy 19:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Merging it sounds appropriate to me. Also, all the info that's not from a reliable source should probably be removed. Some random kid's website isn't a reliable source. This might mean there's not much left after, which which may make it easier to merge. Friday (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, please keep this article separate and rework the vampire lifestyle entry. Since the term "sanguinarian" rose within the vampire community to differentiate between those who feel the need to drink blood and those who do not, also termed "psychic" or "energy" vampires, perhaps such information should be included in this article in order to avoid confusion. If a merge is thought to be appropriate, I would suggest merging the Energy Vampire entry with the Sanguinarian entry, removing references to folklore. The combined entry could be termed Modern Vampirism or something to that effect. 205.162.51.85 22:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Sylvere ap Leanan
The problem is, for sanguinarians mostly, is that there is indeed no scientific proof for our condition. (or, possibly just not discovered yet in the dusty halls of medicine). All we have are "some kids website". I think our collective experiences are important and should not be shunned because there is no official Sanguinarian website on the net. MFuture 22:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It looks like a bunch of stuff is being added that's not backed up by reliable sources. Unless proper sources can be found, it should probably be trimmed. Personal websites are not considered reliable sources- it's too easy for a person to turn an article into their own personal essay that way. Friday (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
As you can see from recent work I've done in the Renfield Syndrome article, merging it with Sanguinarian clearly doesn't make sense. The Renfield Syndrome is a psychological disease, while the term Sanguinarian is employed by those who think the affliction is physical. Merging the Renfield Syndrome with Sanguinarian would be like merging Hunger with Compulsive overeating, or Dieting with Anorexia nervosa--– sampi ( talk• contrib) 07:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed this from the article because all it says is that it ISN'T related. But I'll put it here for the record:
Sangomancy is in no way related to sanguinarianism. Sangomancy is derived from the same word 'Sanguine' but it deals with blood magic (possibly ' blood ritual'). This root word connection is the only tie between the two.
I'm here on behalf of the Cleanup Taskforce. I'm going to try and compile a list of things that need to be done here. There is basic formatting work that needs to be done. Anything else? --K erowyn 21:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
This article appears to contradict parts of the Vampire Lifestyle article, including the point about its status as a hereditary condition. Falcon 18:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Because we talked about the need for a merge in the past, the article author got all pipssy about it, but facts are that this article is the exact same topic as that other article and it goes against Wikipedia policy to have fork files on the same topic so different people can push different POVs on the same topic. Not to mention that this things has been tagged as needing severe cleanup and verification and so forth since November and it never got done. Instead it starts out right away talking about prannic energy and so-called Energy vampires and assorted poorly worded crap.
If you think anything from this article is worth salvaging, please go into the history and move anything worthwhile to Vampire lifestyle, where the editors are slightly more active and you can come to some sort of agreement on this whole bloodsucking thing instead of having separate POVs in separate locations. DreamGuy 19:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)