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The Metroid Database has a new feature chronicling the development of Samus Aran as a character:
The Woman Behind the Visor (retrieved November 8, 2008)
I'm not entirely sure where in the article we can cite this, so I'll just leave this link here for anyone who can. Abodos ( talk) 21:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd say mid-to-late twenties, but that's just my guess. I know that none of the games directly states her age, but I'm just asking to get your opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.91.25 ( talk) 09:24, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I would say that she is around mid to late twenties. She was born during or after the year 2000 AD, and the series takes place around 20X5. This means the game could be anywhere from 2015 to 2095, but I do t think it would make sense at all for her to be 95. She is probably about twenty to twenty-five years old in the first Metroid for the Nintendo Entertainment System, and closer to twenty-five or thirty by the end of the timeline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Castlevania Boy ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
-Agreed. Despite this being a very interesting question, it has nothing to do with improving the article. 70.243.34.104 ( talk) 18:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
We're not 100% sure what her age might be, but many officials say that Samus Aran is 25 years old. She joined the Federation Military at age 15-17 (Other M and Manga)
If you're thinking of adding her age in the info box, don't do it. It's not a necessary inclusion. Good question tho! GeekFreak98 ( talk) 13:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Looking at the section, it seems like the list of summaries of her appearances in every Metroid game don't jive well with the article. Maybe it would be better if the section just summarized her roles throughout the series in prose, and let the actual game articles summarize the plot.-- ZXCVBNM 19:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
To begin with, does anyone got references for the ton of unreferenced information in this article? Gary King ( talk) 07:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
User:Kung Fu Man pointed me to this video (also at here) of an interview with Jennifer Hale, who apparently voiced Samus in the Prime trilogy. There is no mention of her in this article, so that should perhaps be corrected, preferably with some reliable sources. Could someone also remind me as to when Samus actually says anything in the Prime trilogy, as I thought she was a non-speaking role? Gary King ( talk) 16:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I've used the
UltraNeko video interview from her website as a reference using the proper
cite interview format. -
Sesu Prime (
talk) 06:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
You may want to look
here to see what I have to say on this topic. -
Sesu Prime (
talk) 02:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
-This is kinda like Link's voice in Legend of Zelda. 70.243.34.104 ( talk) 18:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
She talks in OM, so who voices her there? 75.157.115.154 ( talk) 04:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Do you think there should be a picture of Samus's face when it is released? Wyndia ( talk) 23:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
"Heidi Dangelmaier, a computer science graduate from Princeton University, conducted research on developing interactive titles for game manufacturers before pursuing a business in which she works with manufacturers to expand video games to target girls more. In an article for The Washington Post, she remarks that she was unhappy with what she considered a halfhearted attempt to include girls in the audience for video games. Dangelmaier said of Samus and Capcom's Cammy video game character: "That's not a woman, that's a drag queen. [...] Does she have the right contours? Sensibilities? Sense? Probably she's quite brutal. I don't think this is a role model for women or something we would aspire to be. [...] You're going to find some girls who like these games, but generally they know they're being left out."
Why is that bit included? it should be deleted. who cares what this woman said? it has little if not nothing to do with the actual Samus character at all, her personality, or her sexuality. Men could oogle at anything, and will, so what? The character of Samus is pretty much the adoptive mother to an alien life form thought only capable of destruction for crying out loud! The article should be about things like that, and not quotes from people who've never played the games that completely contradict the strong AND compassionate woman character that she is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicbologna ( talk • contribs) 16:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
just because some is transgendered doesnt meqn they are less of whatever gender they identify as transwomen are women and the female representation is still highly aware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AKA X ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Nintendo hasn't verified Samus' sexuality yet and it's best kept to not acknowledge her sexuality yet until Nintendo officially states it. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 14:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Now that Nintendo has released some proper Other M artwork of Samus in the Varia Suit, it seems like an appropriate time to update the infobox image. Or this image might work better overall since it can also replace the closeup of her face, cutting the article's fair-use image count from three to two. Thoughts? sesu prime 04:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
seems like a good idea Magicbologna ( talk) 14:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I have to disagree completely, I think that second image Sesu Prime linked to is perfect for the page. I would hardly call it obscured or "difficult to present" It's way better then the second picture that is on the page now, and could easily replace both of them, if there is a concern about image count. It's a good picture that would look nice on the page showing Samus in both forms. Magicbologna ( talk) 02:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Stallion Free from NeoGAF has uploaded clean Other M screenshots. It might not be super glossy as it does not come from an FMV, but I think this full frontal shot of her in-game Zero Suit model is better than what we currently have, and a clearer indication of her looks than the render. If it's purely a quantity issue, I'd rather see the revelation one go: The section talks about sex appeal and gender roles, and also mentions the Zero Suit. Given that that representation of her probably comes second in importance after the Power Suit version, I find it more relevant. Prime Blue ( talk) 22:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
history of metroid that you put on the wiki is completely wrong, you've made a lot of unnecessary trips! history is simply: Metroid-Samus zebes goes on to destroy the pirates. metroid 2-Samus must destroy metroid sr388 on the pirates were divided into two groups, one went on heels (to study phazon) and the other is back on zebes (for rebuilding), and you save a baby Metroid Samus it brings with it. Metroid 3 (Super Metroid)-steals the only metroid ridley, Samus rescued from the pirates and multiply, Samus top zebes pirates and destroyed once and for all. metroid 4 (Metroid Fusion) Samus top-sr388 and is infected by x, in this chapter Samus discovers that the Fed had kept the metroid, the Finn this chapter seems that Metroid will be extinguished once and for all, but Actually there were many others on other planets. Metroid Prime 1, 2 and 3-history to know, because you've written, and with the death of Dark Samus ending the latest chapter in metroid. Metroid Prime Hunters "does not have a specific position in the history of the saga's first reference to show that your history is wrong and Ridley, Ridley fact you have these changes:-meta-ridley ridlei-omega-ridley and strangely after becoming ridley Omega Ridley returns to be in super metroid and this is not the same-in metroid fusion ridley is normal and frozen in my history instead:-ridley ridley-back-again super metroid ridley frozen in cast-meta-ridley ridley my omega makes more sense the second reference is that all first analyzing the scans can be seen that often speaks of when Samus destroyed zebes. also in super metroid and metroid fusion and two never speak of phason in the summaries of the adventures of Samus. for metroid hunters did not understand the criterion by which you have placed. In short you have the big stoner and you do not understand why you have changed throughout history that Nintendo had delivered in the right order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.7.167 ( talk) 19:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
[1] It discusses Samus. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Do we ever learn that? Serendi pod ous 19:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Wow, her full name is Samus Aran. And I thought I had an Irish name.
I'm not saying any info is wrong, but as far as I know, Nintendo hasn't stated that a single specific event shown in any media is the sole reason for her leaving the GFP. Obviously what was shown in Other M is the most known history in USA as to why Samus could have left the GFP, but the manga that was made as her official history shows a completely different event before fastforwarding to her as a bounty hunter. In the manga, she is last seen as part of the GFP when the Space Pirates make an attack on Zebes. At the end of chapter 5, before Samus leaves for Zebes, she is told that the army will make a massive attack on the planet in 48 hours, during which Samus and her two GFP friends and partners go with her to the planet to save the chozo before the army's attack. At the end of chapter 12, the GFP arrived at the planet after it was too late to save some of the chozo, including Old Bird and Gray Voice. They were the two main chozo who raised her as well as Gray Voice being the one whose chozo DNA was integrated into her, Adam was her closest human father figure, but Gray Voice raised her. These two chozo are the ones shown with Samus when obtaining the gravity suit in Zero Mission, so they can't just be disregarded since they are even in at least one game. At the end of chapter 12 she promises to him (after he sacrificed himself fighting Ridley) that she would continue to fight and called him "Father." Then chapter 13 goes to a few years afterwards, with her as a bounty hunter.
Like I said, Nintendo hasn't stated the exact reason for her leaving (although it is greatly implied in Other M), but regardless, this event in the manga is another HUGE event in her history that could be the reason she left the GFP. Either one of these could be the sole reason, or one could have happened shortly before or after the other, either way, I think what happened in chapters 6 through 12 in the manga (the space pirate attack on Zebes) should be mentioned in her biography. At the very least, the sentence about her leaving the GFP because of the event with Adam's brother should make note of this event as well and say that either or both could be why she left. 68.81.162.70 ( talk) 21:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
HE IS IN SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL. IT IS A SUIT! HALFORDS! BY AMMAR! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.232.57 ( talk) 20:23, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
One is that it never addresses the the Zero Suit in terms of critical commentary, and I'm sure that such commentary exists due to its appearance in Brawl; and the other is a lack of development info concerning her role in Metroid: Other M. Here are some links: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:07, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
According to a psychiatrist and a veteran soldier, both who reviewed the cutscene in Metroid: Other M where Ridley confronts her, Samus has Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Should this be included in the article? 142.26.194.190 ( talk) 21:07, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Other M may or may not be canon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Castlevania Boy ( talk • contribs) 22:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Samus’ name is based on Edson Arantes do Nascimento, the soccer player better known as Pelé:
“Even the name of the protagonist could be put together in this manner, and if I wanted to give someone a strange name, I could refer to Pelé’s name.” - Hiroji Kiyotake
“Kiyotake, If you check if Pelé’s real name was ‘Samus Arantes,’ that’s a little incorrect. He’s called ‘Something’ Arantes Nascimento, and only ‘Aran’ matches. (Laughs)” - Yoshio Sakamoto
Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lampiaio ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Article does not comply with MoS fiction. The Manual of Style says fictional elements should not be described from an in-universe perspective. The entire fictional biography section needs to be rewritten or removed. – IsaacAA ( talk) 20:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I rewrote "Fictional Biography" as "Description", is it OK now? igordebraga ≠ 13:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I tried to add her decline in he character development but it was deleted, but if you go on the site http://second-truth.blogspot.com/2010/09/samus-is-slowly-shrinking.html you will see why I attempted to make that edit. -- 203.206.73.28 ( talk) 11:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
It wouldn't surprise me if the next game of her will be the last, because the ratings will drop so low that the franchise will likely be stabbed in the back in the near future. -- 203.206.73.28 ( talk) 11:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
WP:RS. -- Niemti ( talk) 12:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
As I stated before after the release of the next instalment she would be chickified to death and the developers will be forced to pull the plug on the franchise. This will cause a major outrage amongst the feminist organisation and they would claim all males are in favour of reducing heroines to damsel in distresses and state that all male players are chauvinist and future games with a male lead role will be banned if not then boycotted. Any female lead will also be denied even if they are not faux action girls or equalised because they find everything misogynistic and nothing misandric. I tried to add the backlash to her reception but it was deleated. Can anyone tell me why? -- 124.148.98.197 ( talk) 11:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Both the critics and the players believe that her character has declined. The aim of Metroid Other M wasn't to empower women but rather weaken them for simply because they thought chickifacation sells. -- 124.148.98.197 ( talk) 14:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't make up the word, I adopted its meaning from TV Tropes. There are many who agree with me on Youtube but that site wouldn't be considered a reliable source either. -- 124.148.98.197 ( talk) 15:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
G4 TV's Abbie Heppe considered a portrayal of Samus as "sexist"; she wrote that she "cannot possibly wield the amount of power she possesses unless directed to by a man", and found that her anxiety attack cannot be reconciled with her previous portrayals.[37]
Douse Second Truth that I provided in the above section count because I tried to add her character decline on the Damsel in distress pages but it was deleted several times. I tried to discuss it but a user said it was a personal view but I said it was general views both from the writers perspective and the viewers perspective and so far I have received no response. -- 58.7.111.155 ( talk) 10:08, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The sources come from the information from the games, books and comics. -- 58.7.111.155 ( talk) 10:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The chronicles of her character decline were probably unintentional before Metroid Fusion but after the realese of MF they deliberately brought her down since the franchise has recived major critism since 2002. Alomst like how The Simpsons characters were deliberately brought down in 1998 at the begining of the first episode of season 9 since the DVDs beyond the eigth season aren't in print. -- 120.151.106.44 ( talk) 04:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I believe the next Metroid will downgrade her character even further in which she is removed from the spotlight and a is replaced by a male who rescues her similar to Peach or Zelda. The ratings will be so poor that it would end the franchise completely and permanently. -- 58.7.138.14 ( talk) 10:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Would you all kindly stop using this talk page as a forum for original reaearch and your POV feelings, and notice the section just below it? Thanks. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I just fell like I'm being targeted at being labelled a The chronicles of her character decline were probably unintentional before Metroid Fusion but after the realese of MF they deliberately brought her down since the franchise has recived major critism since 2002. Alomst like how The Simpsons characters were deliberately brought down in 1998 at the begining of the first episode of season 9 since the DVDs beyond the eigth season aren't in print. -- 120.151.106.44 ( talk) 04:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I believe the next Metroid will downgrade her character even further in which she is removed from the spotlight and a is replaced by a male who rescues her similar to Peach or Zelda. The ratings will be so poor that it would end the franchise completely and permanently. -- 58.7.138.14 ( talk) 10:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Would you all kindly stop using this talk page as a forum for original reaearch and your POV feelings, and notice the section just below it? Thanks. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I will stop now I just feel targeted for being called a chauvinist because I happen to be a male. I have posted those sources in the reference section but I couldn't get them to be numbered can someone else number them along with the rest. -- 58.7.138.14 ( talk) 11:13, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
-- Niemti ( talk) 09:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
-- Niemti ( talk) 18:10, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and these links above are already used. -- Niemti ( talk) 18:11, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I think some copy edit might be needed (grammar, flow). -- Niemti ( talk) 18:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Also are these huge enormous quotes in the references really necessary? -- Niemti ( talk) 18:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I guess not. -- Niemti ( talk) 07:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Can the sex appeal paragraph be moved closer to the bottom? -- Dswiggy ( talk) 03:35, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to argue for its complete removal, or editing down to a single sentence which is incorporated into another paragraph. Who cares how often some publication rated her "Hottest Babe in Gaming"? Her appearance of being attractive was kind of basic character design for female characters at the time of her creation, and further emphasis on her looks are either unintentional by the devs or (in some cases) something they worked against. But most of all, it's a MASSIVE chunk of text that does nothing to explain anything worthwhile about the character or anything really solid about her reception - it's just a wad of references to creepy articles by people crowing that she's super hot. It grants nothing to the article or the explanation of the character as a whole.
MakinBaconPancakes (
talk) 21:05, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I know that her first name is pronounced /sæ'məs/ or at least that is what I felt I heard from the Super Smash Brothers Brawl character select screen. I read on the Yahoo Answers link that her last name was pronounced in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Does anyone know a what part of that game says her last name?-- Ephert ( talk) 22:25, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I heard Samus was a robot, are you guys sure this is correct? I mean robots can't really have genders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.144.113 ( talk) 02:39, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be some . . . unusual, or at least unverified categorization in the article. It's been a long time since I've played all of the Metroid games, but erotic dancer, bisexual, prostitute, and arguably cyborg don't fit. She's been genetically modified and wears a powered-armor suit, but she doesn't seem to be cybernetically enhanced. At the very least, I'm not seeing any in-line reference in the article to these classifications. Supersonic Dude ( talk) 18:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
She and Solid Snake have romantic feelings for one another in Smash Ultimate.
The Zero Suit image, while one of the more criticized examples of Samus, is an awkward pose. Speaking of Zero Suit, it raises a question of whether we should split Zero Suit Samus out of this article. I have seen some design discussion specifically about ZSS, and ZSS' involvement in this article introduces very diametrically opposed reception. While armoured Samus receives mostly positive reception, Zero Suit Samus receives generally negative reception (or positive reception about her sexuality). Thoughts on splitting if the justification can be met? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:25, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I tried adding the proper info on Samus being a transwoman, but apparently some reactionaries probably found out and now are not only vandalizing the article, but creating an edit war. Please revert the vandalism caused by them and then lock the article. Thank you! 2602:304:CFE0:FA09:E036:C835:6DE5:C ( talk) 01:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
A newly written article is the furthest from a reliable source. Until this is verified by the original creator it should not be considered reliable. Evanx11 ( talk) 01:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Last I checked, it is not up to anyone to disprove something exists, it lies solely on the person trying to prove they are right. I can't say I am dog on the internet, and you have to prove why I'm not. It just doesn't work that way. There was no evidence provided in the article, there was no sources, I'm just trying to figure out if there is anything else out there about this. It would really help your case. Also why are you being so hostile here? There's no reason for that. -- Aldude999 ( talk) 01:45, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Everyone. Please. Remain calm. This is just standard work here. Stop making this a GamerGate/SJW/MRA whatever. There is no real evidence Samus is trans. End of story. GamerPro64 01:46, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I would put forth the request that this come from an OFFICIAL source, not some blog or -- and this is important -- a reputable source such as the Guardian sorucing this article. Given the author of this fanfiction's history, "Ouroboros sourcing" (a non-credible source being cited by a credible source which is then used to take the non-credible source as fact) is a real danger. Nor should this be added as a "fan theory" as this has never been brought up in serious conversation before this extremely biased and frankly moon-logic based article. KiTA ( talk) 01:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
To make things more clear: Stop trying to change a page that tries to provide information on the most objective way possible, just so it can pander to your "empowering" ideals. Step out of the echo-chamber, conflicts is not pleasant but it enriches the mind. 186.61.80.152 ( talk) 01:54, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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This has gone on long enough. Information concerning a fictional character's biography is obtained through the character's official description by its creator/author/owner. A blogger's headcanon does not constitute acceptable information concerning the character, regardless of the reliability of the source in question. The article has thankfully been semi-protected and further attempts to modify the article in such ways should be considered vandalism, and thus be grounds for a block. Akesgeroth ( talk) 03:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I've redacted all of the inappropriate speculation about the alleged actions of a living person. Editors are reminded that such speculation is inappropriate on Wikipedia. Gamaliel ( talk) 12:23, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
A couple of proudly biased bloggers and activists don't get to override the intent of the author and the entirety of the established fiction, nor are they notable enough in either the fan or critical community to even be referenced. The rush to shove this into Wikipedia is an attempt to grant this ridiculousness legitimacy. This is obvious trolling meant to provoke Metroid fans as well as promote themselves in a tabloid fashion, and has no place in an encyclopedia. This is the equivalent of some random blogger on Fox News claiming that Obama might be gay on dubious evidence and those sets of single-issue editors rushing to add it to his article. Mark me as opposed to any further changes to even reference this. Primal Chaos ( talk) 19:43, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Simple: Just block anyone from trying to add anything that claims that samus is a transgender. Seriously, the game (and the manual) only refer to samus as a male due to a translation problem. The Japanese version of the game refer to samus using a gender neutral pronoun, and since there isn't a gender neutral pronoun in english (and using "it" would make even less sense), nintendo decided to keep the minor translation problem and refer to samus as a man to avoid ruining the big surprise.
Now some "activists" (see some of Brianna Wu's posts on twitter about the matter) think that samus is a transgender (ignoring the fact that all the later titles refer to samus as a woman) due to this minor problem. Its just like that one episode of king of the hill where bobby joins some christian rock group, and hank says something like "don't you realize you are not making christianity better, you are only making rock and roll worse?". Just replace christianity with something like "acceptance of gays and transgenders" and rock and roll with "gaming".
Look, i just want to protect the integrity of the article. If you let people change the article. If you folks let people change the article to say that samus is a transgender, it will attract the people who disagree with them, and then a bunch of trolls and people who just want to cause chaos for fun into the middle of this.
I hope you guys do the right decision.
Thank you guys for your time. Cheesus Grist ( talk) 03:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
From a 2004 FAQ with the director of Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, and most other Metroid games:
http://metroid.jp/metroid_version2/development/faq3.html
Quoting Question 21: "Question : Any chance Metroid Prime will ever come to PS2? Answer: It's about as likely as 'Samus is really newhalf (transgender / hermaphrodite / etc).' Please enjoy it on the Gamecube!"
He specifically uses the term NYU-HA-FU, NewHalf, the exact same term that the original blog cites. There we have it, an official source, the director of the original Metroid using that theory as a joke to mean 'Literally Impossible.' Can we put this one to rest? KiTA ( talk) 04:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
themarysue.com In 1994, the writers of the official Japanese Super Metroid strategy guide asked Metroid’s developers if they could share any secrets about the intergalactic bounty hunter. Hirofumi Matsuoka, who helped work on the original design for Samus Aran, claimed that she “wasn’t a woman,” but instead, “ニューハーフ,” Ilkn0de ( talk) 09:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I think this discussion would have been more productive if some editors (all of whom, to no-one's surprise, have an editing history all over GamerGate, and equally unsurprisingly, all on one side) could refrain from using words like "vandalism", "fanfiction", or "headcanon" to refer to an idea supported by a direct quote from a developer. This seems to me like a series of entirely unnecessary attacks on the editor(s) attempting to insert this material and on the author of the Mary Sue piece (who is, of course, a favourite bogeyman for a certain group...)
... which is not to say that that quote is not apparently a tasteless joke - but that observation alone is quite sufficient to deal with the notion that it should go into the article, and unlike the rest, is actually about the content. Pinkbeast ( talk) 01:04, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
I haven't edited Wikipedia in a long while, but I used to contribute to and create video game articles in 2007/8. I Logged in to commend Pinkbeast on their level-headed and balanced assessment of the situation and on urging people to assume good faith to keep discussion civil. As I see it, there are two major issues with inclusion of The Mary Sue contributor article (or any sources it cites) as a citation for Samus Aran being a transgender woman:
1) Authority of the article's source for the claim
As has been pointed out, Matsuoka Hirofumi was a background art designer for Metroid. He was not the character designer, writer, founder, or lead designer on the project. The original, primary source links to the interviews may be considered reliable even if The Mary Sue is not, but he is not an appropriate authority on the matter. Perhaps a former programmer from Bungie will say in an interview with IGN that Master Chief wears pink panties underneath his armour. But this does not mean it should be added to the article on Master Chief. He was also answering a question on what is a "secret of Samus that only [you] know", which itself indicates that this is the idiosyncratic opinion of an individual, not agreed-upon characterisation detailed in the official design doc.
This is especially a concern when Sakamoto Yoshio, co-creator of the Metroid franchise and director of the game, actually refuted this claim in the other source cited by the very same The Mary Sue article. He denied that Samus Aran was a "new-half" - the same terminology used by Matsuoka, which is alleged to mean "transgender woman". The tone that Matsuoka had in making his comment (i.e. the context that it was a joke) is very much secondary to this concern about his reliability as an authority on the matter.
2) Reliability of the article
This is the most critical. Putting aside the issue of The Mary Sue being considered a situational source by WikiProject Video Games, and putting aside questions of the bias/agenda/professionalism of the authors, we have a very simple problem involving the policy of Verifiability: exceptional claims require exceptional sources. This claim that Samus Aran is transgender contains 3/4 of the red flags listed on the policy page, namely:
- "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources"
- "challenged claims that are supported purely by primary [...] sources"
- "claims that are contradicted by the prevailing view within the relevant community, or that would significantly alter mainstream assumptions"
It says this should make us extra cautious, and we should require multiple high-quality sources. We do not have this.
In summary, the claim that Samus Aran is transgender (and The Mary Sue article making that claim) should not be included in the article at this time. The reason is that the original source for the claim does not have the authority to speak on the matter; he was contradicted by someone who does have the authority to speak on the matter; and because this is a classic example of standard Wikipedia policy on Verifiability, wherein we require multiple sources for exceptional/surprising claims. I think we should stick to these objections and not entertain any speculation about the intent of editors or TMS article writers and all other irrelevant details. clicketyclick 16:38, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
You sound like Humpty-Dumpty when you say that; "Words mean what I say they mean!" Ogress smash! 19:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I can't believe this is still going on. For Gods sake talk about this on your own respected talk pages. Not in the one for Samus. This conversation has nothing to do with the character at this point. GamerPro64 21:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Just thought i should point this out to avoid future controversy, Matsuoka's statement of Samus supposedly not being female is most likely more of a joke on how she was genetically modified then her being a transsexual, as he used the term newhalf. Whoever translated the interview probably didnt realize this and ended up just translating it literally. Eata3e ( talk) 00:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
"Samus being trans" being traced back to an article on TheMarySue.com does not a source make. Neither does a mistranslation... Spoopy skeleton44 ( talk) 01:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
We seem to have reached a point where no one thinks the 'Samus is trans' Mary Sue blog post is worthy of the article, or passes any of the tests, as ClicketyClack has rightfully pointed out; and none of the information comes from an appropriate source. At this point, this conversation is turning into a drama magnet. We should consider it closed unless someone brings something new to the table, and leave the article semi-protected for a while just to avoid any further anonymous IP edits causing drama. - Primal Chaos ( talk) 01:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
I feel like it's only fair to point out that it does seem like Matsuoka was in fact on the part of the team tasked with developing the characters - i.e. Samus - for the original Metroid game. (See the Development section on the Metroid page where it credits Matsuoka with such, and the citation used there to support it.) It was in subsequent Metroid games where he was credited as a background artist - people seem to have erroneously lumped these later credits with his original one. Not that I'm defending the claim by Brianna Wu et al.; I'm just pointing out that one fact. Abion47 ( talk) 09:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
CHARACTER DESIGNED BY KIYOTAKE NEW MATSUOKA SHIKAMOTO
She isn’t, the Metroid Manga confirms this.
Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.
Samus Aran clearly exemplifies Transhumanism with "her" biologically integrated powersuit. "She" is most often seen in the powersuit and presents "herself" most often as a human-machine hybrid. Using her powersuit technology, Samus often executes feats of strengthstrength, speed, and agility beyond human capability.
It should be noted that Samus' powersuit is biologically integrated into "her" body and cannot simply be removed. For example, in Metroid Fusion, doctors cannot remove Samus' powersuit without harming Samus [1].
Beyond the powersuit, Samus exploits mecahnical and biological technology to further transform beyond the human condition. (From the Metroid E-manga) using advanced Chozo technology, Samus was infused with Chozo DNA, therefor transcending human biological makeup [2]. Additionally, in Metroid Fusion, Samus is further infused with Metroid DNA to ward off an X-parasite infection [3]. These genetic transformations are canonical.
By labeling Samus as a human, not only are we ignoring canonical evidence to the contrary -- we are in fact marginalizing Samus' unique identity and Chozo heritage. To ignore Samus' transhuman nature not only misrepresents the identity of Samus, but does a disservice to the transhuman community at large.
I feel this topic is improtant to explore and I would please ask everyone to refrain from vandalizing the wiki page with bigoted comments claiming Samus is nothing more than a human.
132.170.193.156 ( talk) 15:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC)Hiramugrant
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Since new users and anonymous editors don't get it: unless something is canon (i.e., in source material or stated by creator), you can't claim Samus Aran is canonically trans, male, furry, Nazi, feminist, MRA, based on a real person, lesbian, straight, three monkeys in a suit, or whatever. For example:
I hope this clears things up for you people. Why you obsess over a fictional character is beyond me. Why you even think your feelings equal, surpass, or substitute for canon is beyond me. Exhentai ( talk) 12:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
As long as we also accept that you can't claim Samus is canonically cis as well Lathomas64 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
That is weird people were saying she was a Nazi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Castlevania Boy ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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Leading (main) female characters in video games, 1980s, pre-NES Samus Aran: Leading (main) female characters in video games:
Magnavox Odyssey:
Female player (Simon Says, Odyssey, 1972, main character)
Apple ][:
Female player selection (Akalabeth: World of Doom, Origin, 1979, selectable)
Jenny (Jenny of the prairie, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Clair (Cave Girl Clair, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Lauren (Lauren of the 25th century, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Chelsea (Chelsea of the south sea Islands, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Arcade:
Ms. Pac-Man (Ms. Pac-Man, Bally Midway, 1981, main character)
Lady Bug (Lady Bug, Universal, 1981, main character)
Kissy and Takky (Baraduke, Namco, 1985, main characters)
Atari 2600 VCS:
Billie Sue (Wabbit, Games by Apollo, 1982, main character)
Dolphin (Dolphin, female Dolphin, Activision, 1983, main character)
Alice (Alice Adventure, Quelle, 1983, main character)
Laurie Strode (Halloween, Wizard Video Games, 1983, main character)
Blond girl (Ghost Manor, Xonox, 1983, selectable)
Leading Lady (Beat ‘em and eat ‘em, Mystique, 1983, main character)
Strawberry Shortcake (Strawberry Shortcake, Parker, 1983, main character)
Chinese Girl (Dancing Plates, Dishaster, Bit Corp.,Zimag, 1983, main character)
Inventa (handheld game & watch)
Snow White (Snow White, Inventa, 1983, main character
Sleeping Beauty (Sleeping Beauty, Inventa, 1983, main character)
Colecovison:
Anna Lee (Cabage Patch Kids, Coleco, 1984, main character)
Atari 8-bit:
Kim Kimberly (Snowball, Return to Eden, Level 9 Computing, 1983, 1984, main character)
Alexandra (Lode Runner’s Rescue, Synapse, 1985, main character)
Englishwoman (Plundered Hearts, Infocom, 1987, main character)
Sega SG-1000:
Papri (Girl’s Garden, Sega, 1984, main character)
C64:
Barbie (Barbie, Epyx, 1984, main character
Trixie Trinian (The secret of St. Brides, Audiogenic, 1985, main character)
Alter Ego female version (Alter Ego, Activision, 1986, main character)
NES:
Samus Aran (Metroid, Nintendo, 1986, main character)
So the first 'real' woman in a video game is Billy Sue (game: WABBIT, 1982) from 'Games by Apollo' on the Atari VCS 2600 console, the Guinness Book got it wrong!
A correction is needed. Please, proper research required before posting such untruths. — Preceding
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By 'better', I mean one that's representative of Samus' traditional appearance, the way she's appeared throughout most of the series rather than her design in Prime 3 (which is far from the newest game at this point). Are there any reasons why we couldn't use Other M artwork instead? Valjeanlafitte ( talk) 22:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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The article mentions that Samus' official height from the Super Metroid handbook was a slight mistranslation, and that her aforementioned height and weight applied only to her in the suit. They cited a website released by Nintendo at around the same time as evidence [1]. Upon investigation, the website does not seem to confirm this at all. The way the website is formatted makes any conclusion at most indecisive and at least actually in support of what was stated in the handbook. It's also worth noting that I've never seen this claim made anywhere else. RainingHavoc ( talk) 23:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Can I have the picture for de.wikipedia.org and who has make it?
He ruined the infobox, we need to revert this. Can someone please message him and tell him never to do this again. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 14:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
I just reverted Kung Fu Man's vandalism, can someone please talk to him and tell him to never do something like this again, I'll look for anymore articles to see if he has vandalized them too. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 14:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Somebody went overboard and decided to add facts about her height, eye color, and for some reason hair color. I deleted the uneccesary information. Now I do agree with you that the infobox is too much. So here's why I'm gonna do, I'll add in universe facts about the Bounty Hunter, but not too much, I'll only add her gender, occupation, child, family, and Affiliation. I'll make sure nobody goes overboard on the infobox. (Plus your right bro, there was way too much crap in that infobox I'm sorry if I lost my temper). Now here's the thing you have to understand here, you don't have to delete her in universe information, it's missing something, you know? Every fictional character must have in universal facts.
So are you cool with me doing this, we're cool? GeekFreak98 ( talk) 17:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
I kept her in-universe information in, but I shorten it. Thank you for informing this, I didn't know it was too much. If someone is overdoing or adding to much info in her in universe info, do not delete her in-universe info, just deleted the ones that are added. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 18:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
We all know it's not canon, so why keep it? It's also making Samus' infobox bigger, which is too much. Imo, I think it's best to delete Captain N as her "significant other." In fact she doesn't even have one yet! So are we gonna remove Captain N from the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeekFreak98 ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Just recently, Samus' infobox was filled with unnessecary and stupid information. Kung Fu Man deleted her in-universe information, which is bothersome and I completely understand why he did that. I brought back her in-universe information, but deleted unnessecary info about her, like her "spouse" and having way too many family members.
So to the editors reading this, please leave the infobox where is it, don't add any new info in, unless it's important. If you disobey, we'll revert and possibly report you if you continue. Thank you, Kung Fu Man for mentioning this.
Do not delete Samus' in-universe information, every fictional character should have in-universe information.
Editors and veterans of Wikipedia, I ask if you can secure this article for a while.
If your a newbie to Wikipedia and , please use sandbox.
Thank you
Special Thanks to Kung Fu Man GeekFreak98 ( talk) 18:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
If this article was nominated at Wikipedia:Good article nominations today, I'd quick fail it. It's incredibly below current good article standards, from everything from reference formatting to over-detail. After reading this article for the first time today, I was going to formally renominate it, but thought I'd bring this up on the talk page first to see if anyone had any comments or wanted to display a willingness to improve the article without formal re-assessment. I note of the top 10 editors to this article, nine have not edited the page since at least 2012, and the other one is permanently banned from editing. Damien Linnane ( talk) 01:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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Extremely bloated and out of date reception section, and inconsistent referencing, among many other issues. Consensus from both talk page and WikiProject Video games that the article no longer meets GA standards. Damien Linnane ( talk) 13:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I only looked at the two last references 80 and 81 and gotta say these articles are pretty stupid, sorry. Ranking Smash Characters by their own personal preferences at seemingly random conditions. I really dont know what constitutes linking the character of Samus to these garbage articles that lack common sense and any credibility behind them. Fgwhlezm vrj ( talk) 03:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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The Metroid Database has a new feature chronicling the development of Samus Aran as a character:
The Woman Behind the Visor (retrieved November 8, 2008)
I'm not entirely sure where in the article we can cite this, so I'll just leave this link here for anyone who can. Abodos ( talk) 21:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd say mid-to-late twenties, but that's just my guess. I know that none of the games directly states her age, but I'm just asking to get your opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.91.25 ( talk) 09:24, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I would say that she is around mid to late twenties. She was born during or after the year 2000 AD, and the series takes place around 20X5. This means the game could be anywhere from 2015 to 2095, but I do t think it would make sense at all for her to be 95. She is probably about twenty to twenty-five years old in the first Metroid for the Nintendo Entertainment System, and closer to twenty-five or thirty by the end of the timeline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Castlevania Boy ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
-Agreed. Despite this being a very interesting question, it has nothing to do with improving the article. 70.243.34.104 ( talk) 18:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
We're not 100% sure what her age might be, but many officials say that Samus Aran is 25 years old. She joined the Federation Military at age 15-17 (Other M and Manga)
If you're thinking of adding her age in the info box, don't do it. It's not a necessary inclusion. Good question tho! GeekFreak98 ( talk) 13:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Looking at the section, it seems like the list of summaries of her appearances in every Metroid game don't jive well with the article. Maybe it would be better if the section just summarized her roles throughout the series in prose, and let the actual game articles summarize the plot.-- ZXCVBNM 19:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
To begin with, does anyone got references for the ton of unreferenced information in this article? Gary King ( talk) 07:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
User:Kung Fu Man pointed me to this video (also at here) of an interview with Jennifer Hale, who apparently voiced Samus in the Prime trilogy. There is no mention of her in this article, so that should perhaps be corrected, preferably with some reliable sources. Could someone also remind me as to when Samus actually says anything in the Prime trilogy, as I thought she was a non-speaking role? Gary King ( talk) 16:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I've used the
UltraNeko video interview from her website as a reference using the proper
cite interview format. -
Sesu Prime (
talk) 06:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
You may want to look
here to see what I have to say on this topic. -
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talk) 02:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
-This is kinda like Link's voice in Legend of Zelda. 70.243.34.104 ( talk) 18:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
She talks in OM, so who voices her there? 75.157.115.154 ( talk) 04:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Do you think there should be a picture of Samus's face when it is released? Wyndia ( talk) 23:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
"Heidi Dangelmaier, a computer science graduate from Princeton University, conducted research on developing interactive titles for game manufacturers before pursuing a business in which she works with manufacturers to expand video games to target girls more. In an article for The Washington Post, she remarks that she was unhappy with what she considered a halfhearted attempt to include girls in the audience for video games. Dangelmaier said of Samus and Capcom's Cammy video game character: "That's not a woman, that's a drag queen. [...] Does she have the right contours? Sensibilities? Sense? Probably she's quite brutal. I don't think this is a role model for women or something we would aspire to be. [...] You're going to find some girls who like these games, but generally they know they're being left out."
Why is that bit included? it should be deleted. who cares what this woman said? it has little if not nothing to do with the actual Samus character at all, her personality, or her sexuality. Men could oogle at anything, and will, so what? The character of Samus is pretty much the adoptive mother to an alien life form thought only capable of destruction for crying out loud! The article should be about things like that, and not quotes from people who've never played the games that completely contradict the strong AND compassionate woman character that she is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicbologna ( talk • contribs) 16:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
just because some is transgendered doesnt meqn they are less of whatever gender they identify as transwomen are women and the female representation is still highly aware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AKA X ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Nintendo hasn't verified Samus' sexuality yet and it's best kept to not acknowledge her sexuality yet until Nintendo officially states it. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 14:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Now that Nintendo has released some proper Other M artwork of Samus in the Varia Suit, it seems like an appropriate time to update the infobox image. Or this image might work better overall since it can also replace the closeup of her face, cutting the article's fair-use image count from three to two. Thoughts? sesu prime 04:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
seems like a good idea Magicbologna ( talk) 14:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I have to disagree completely, I think that second image Sesu Prime linked to is perfect for the page. I would hardly call it obscured or "difficult to present" It's way better then the second picture that is on the page now, and could easily replace both of them, if there is a concern about image count. It's a good picture that would look nice on the page showing Samus in both forms. Magicbologna ( talk) 02:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Stallion Free from NeoGAF has uploaded clean Other M screenshots. It might not be super glossy as it does not come from an FMV, but I think this full frontal shot of her in-game Zero Suit model is better than what we currently have, and a clearer indication of her looks than the render. If it's purely a quantity issue, I'd rather see the revelation one go: The section talks about sex appeal and gender roles, and also mentions the Zero Suit. Given that that representation of her probably comes second in importance after the Power Suit version, I find it more relevant. Prime Blue ( talk) 22:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
history of metroid that you put on the wiki is completely wrong, you've made a lot of unnecessary trips! history is simply: Metroid-Samus zebes goes on to destroy the pirates. metroid 2-Samus must destroy metroid sr388 on the pirates were divided into two groups, one went on heels (to study phazon) and the other is back on zebes (for rebuilding), and you save a baby Metroid Samus it brings with it. Metroid 3 (Super Metroid)-steals the only metroid ridley, Samus rescued from the pirates and multiply, Samus top zebes pirates and destroyed once and for all. metroid 4 (Metroid Fusion) Samus top-sr388 and is infected by x, in this chapter Samus discovers that the Fed had kept the metroid, the Finn this chapter seems that Metroid will be extinguished once and for all, but Actually there were many others on other planets. Metroid Prime 1, 2 and 3-history to know, because you've written, and with the death of Dark Samus ending the latest chapter in metroid. Metroid Prime Hunters "does not have a specific position in the history of the saga's first reference to show that your history is wrong and Ridley, Ridley fact you have these changes:-meta-ridley ridlei-omega-ridley and strangely after becoming ridley Omega Ridley returns to be in super metroid and this is not the same-in metroid fusion ridley is normal and frozen in my history instead:-ridley ridley-back-again super metroid ridley frozen in cast-meta-ridley ridley my omega makes more sense the second reference is that all first analyzing the scans can be seen that often speaks of when Samus destroyed zebes. also in super metroid and metroid fusion and two never speak of phason in the summaries of the adventures of Samus. for metroid hunters did not understand the criterion by which you have placed. In short you have the big stoner and you do not understand why you have changed throughout history that Nintendo had delivered in the right order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.7.167 ( talk) 19:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
[1] It discusses Samus. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Do we ever learn that? Serendi pod ous 19:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Wow, her full name is Samus Aran. And I thought I had an Irish name.
I'm not saying any info is wrong, but as far as I know, Nintendo hasn't stated that a single specific event shown in any media is the sole reason for her leaving the GFP. Obviously what was shown in Other M is the most known history in USA as to why Samus could have left the GFP, but the manga that was made as her official history shows a completely different event before fastforwarding to her as a bounty hunter. In the manga, she is last seen as part of the GFP when the Space Pirates make an attack on Zebes. At the end of chapter 5, before Samus leaves for Zebes, she is told that the army will make a massive attack on the planet in 48 hours, during which Samus and her two GFP friends and partners go with her to the planet to save the chozo before the army's attack. At the end of chapter 12, the GFP arrived at the planet after it was too late to save some of the chozo, including Old Bird and Gray Voice. They were the two main chozo who raised her as well as Gray Voice being the one whose chozo DNA was integrated into her, Adam was her closest human father figure, but Gray Voice raised her. These two chozo are the ones shown with Samus when obtaining the gravity suit in Zero Mission, so they can't just be disregarded since they are even in at least one game. At the end of chapter 12 she promises to him (after he sacrificed himself fighting Ridley) that she would continue to fight and called him "Father." Then chapter 13 goes to a few years afterwards, with her as a bounty hunter.
Like I said, Nintendo hasn't stated the exact reason for her leaving (although it is greatly implied in Other M), but regardless, this event in the manga is another HUGE event in her history that could be the reason she left the GFP. Either one of these could be the sole reason, or one could have happened shortly before or after the other, either way, I think what happened in chapters 6 through 12 in the manga (the space pirate attack on Zebes) should be mentioned in her biography. At the very least, the sentence about her leaving the GFP because of the event with Adam's brother should make note of this event as well and say that either or both could be why she left. 68.81.162.70 ( talk) 21:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
HE IS IN SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL. IT IS A SUIT! HALFORDS! BY AMMAR! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.232.57 ( talk) 20:23, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
One is that it never addresses the the Zero Suit in terms of critical commentary, and I'm sure that such commentary exists due to its appearance in Brawl; and the other is a lack of development info concerning her role in Metroid: Other M. Here are some links: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:07, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
According to a psychiatrist and a veteran soldier, both who reviewed the cutscene in Metroid: Other M where Ridley confronts her, Samus has Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Should this be included in the article? 142.26.194.190 ( talk) 21:07, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Other M may or may not be canon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Castlevania Boy ( talk • contribs) 22:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Samus’ name is based on Edson Arantes do Nascimento, the soccer player better known as Pelé:
“Even the name of the protagonist could be put together in this manner, and if I wanted to give someone a strange name, I could refer to Pelé’s name.” - Hiroji Kiyotake
“Kiyotake, If you check if Pelé’s real name was ‘Samus Arantes,’ that’s a little incorrect. He’s called ‘Something’ Arantes Nascimento, and only ‘Aran’ matches. (Laughs)” - Yoshio Sakamoto
Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lampiaio ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Article does not comply with MoS fiction. The Manual of Style says fictional elements should not be described from an in-universe perspective. The entire fictional biography section needs to be rewritten or removed. – IsaacAA ( talk) 20:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I rewrote "Fictional Biography" as "Description", is it OK now? igordebraga ≠ 13:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I tried to add her decline in he character development but it was deleted, but if you go on the site http://second-truth.blogspot.com/2010/09/samus-is-slowly-shrinking.html you will see why I attempted to make that edit. -- 203.206.73.28 ( talk) 11:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
It wouldn't surprise me if the next game of her will be the last, because the ratings will drop so low that the franchise will likely be stabbed in the back in the near future. -- 203.206.73.28 ( talk) 11:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
WP:RS. -- Niemti ( talk) 12:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
As I stated before after the release of the next instalment she would be chickified to death and the developers will be forced to pull the plug on the franchise. This will cause a major outrage amongst the feminist organisation and they would claim all males are in favour of reducing heroines to damsel in distresses and state that all male players are chauvinist and future games with a male lead role will be banned if not then boycotted. Any female lead will also be denied even if they are not faux action girls or equalised because they find everything misogynistic and nothing misandric. I tried to add the backlash to her reception but it was deleated. Can anyone tell me why? -- 124.148.98.197 ( talk) 11:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Both the critics and the players believe that her character has declined. The aim of Metroid Other M wasn't to empower women but rather weaken them for simply because they thought chickifacation sells. -- 124.148.98.197 ( talk) 14:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't make up the word, I adopted its meaning from TV Tropes. There are many who agree with me on Youtube but that site wouldn't be considered a reliable source either. -- 124.148.98.197 ( talk) 15:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
G4 TV's Abbie Heppe considered a portrayal of Samus as "sexist"; she wrote that she "cannot possibly wield the amount of power she possesses unless directed to by a man", and found that her anxiety attack cannot be reconciled with her previous portrayals.[37]
Douse Second Truth that I provided in the above section count because I tried to add her character decline on the Damsel in distress pages but it was deleted several times. I tried to discuss it but a user said it was a personal view but I said it was general views both from the writers perspective and the viewers perspective and so far I have received no response. -- 58.7.111.155 ( talk) 10:08, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The sources come from the information from the games, books and comics. -- 58.7.111.155 ( talk) 10:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The chronicles of her character decline were probably unintentional before Metroid Fusion but after the realese of MF they deliberately brought her down since the franchise has recived major critism since 2002. Alomst like how The Simpsons characters were deliberately brought down in 1998 at the begining of the first episode of season 9 since the DVDs beyond the eigth season aren't in print. -- 120.151.106.44 ( talk) 04:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I believe the next Metroid will downgrade her character even further in which she is removed from the spotlight and a is replaced by a male who rescues her similar to Peach or Zelda. The ratings will be so poor that it would end the franchise completely and permanently. -- 58.7.138.14 ( talk) 10:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Would you all kindly stop using this talk page as a forum for original reaearch and your POV feelings, and notice the section just below it? Thanks. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I just fell like I'm being targeted at being labelled a The chronicles of her character decline were probably unintentional before Metroid Fusion but after the realese of MF they deliberately brought her down since the franchise has recived major critism since 2002. Alomst like how The Simpsons characters were deliberately brought down in 1998 at the begining of the first episode of season 9 since the DVDs beyond the eigth season aren't in print. -- 120.151.106.44 ( talk) 04:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I believe the next Metroid will downgrade her character even further in which she is removed from the spotlight and a is replaced by a male who rescues her similar to Peach or Zelda. The ratings will be so poor that it would end the franchise completely and permanently. -- 58.7.138.14 ( talk) 10:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Would you all kindly stop using this talk page as a forum for original reaearch and your POV feelings, and notice the section just below it? Thanks. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I will stop now I just feel targeted for being called a chauvinist because I happen to be a male. I have posted those sources in the reference section but I couldn't get them to be numbered can someone else number them along with the rest. -- 58.7.138.14 ( talk) 11:13, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
-- Niemti ( talk) 09:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
-- Niemti ( talk) 18:10, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and these links above are already used. -- Niemti ( talk) 18:11, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I think some copy edit might be needed (grammar, flow). -- Niemti ( talk) 18:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Also are these huge enormous quotes in the references really necessary? -- Niemti ( talk) 18:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I guess not. -- Niemti ( talk) 07:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Can the sex appeal paragraph be moved closer to the bottom? -- Dswiggy ( talk) 03:35, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to argue for its complete removal, or editing down to a single sentence which is incorporated into another paragraph. Who cares how often some publication rated her "Hottest Babe in Gaming"? Her appearance of being attractive was kind of basic character design for female characters at the time of her creation, and further emphasis on her looks are either unintentional by the devs or (in some cases) something they worked against. But most of all, it's a MASSIVE chunk of text that does nothing to explain anything worthwhile about the character or anything really solid about her reception - it's just a wad of references to creepy articles by people crowing that she's super hot. It grants nothing to the article or the explanation of the character as a whole.
MakinBaconPancakes (
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I know that her first name is pronounced /sæ'məs/ or at least that is what I felt I heard from the Super Smash Brothers Brawl character select screen. I read on the Yahoo Answers link that her last name was pronounced in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Does anyone know a what part of that game says her last name?-- Ephert ( talk) 22:25, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I heard Samus was a robot, are you guys sure this is correct? I mean robots can't really have genders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.144.113 ( talk) 02:39, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be some . . . unusual, or at least unverified categorization in the article. It's been a long time since I've played all of the Metroid games, but erotic dancer, bisexual, prostitute, and arguably cyborg don't fit. She's been genetically modified and wears a powered-armor suit, but she doesn't seem to be cybernetically enhanced. At the very least, I'm not seeing any in-line reference in the article to these classifications. Supersonic Dude ( talk) 18:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
She and Solid Snake have romantic feelings for one another in Smash Ultimate.
The Zero Suit image, while one of the more criticized examples of Samus, is an awkward pose. Speaking of Zero Suit, it raises a question of whether we should split Zero Suit Samus out of this article. I have seen some design discussion specifically about ZSS, and ZSS' involvement in this article introduces very diametrically opposed reception. While armoured Samus receives mostly positive reception, Zero Suit Samus receives generally negative reception (or positive reception about her sexuality). Thoughts on splitting if the justification can be met? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:25, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I tried adding the proper info on Samus being a transwoman, but apparently some reactionaries probably found out and now are not only vandalizing the article, but creating an edit war. Please revert the vandalism caused by them and then lock the article. Thank you! 2602:304:CFE0:FA09:E036:C835:6DE5:C ( talk) 01:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
A newly written article is the furthest from a reliable source. Until this is verified by the original creator it should not be considered reliable. Evanx11 ( talk) 01:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Last I checked, it is not up to anyone to disprove something exists, it lies solely on the person trying to prove they are right. I can't say I am dog on the internet, and you have to prove why I'm not. It just doesn't work that way. There was no evidence provided in the article, there was no sources, I'm just trying to figure out if there is anything else out there about this. It would really help your case. Also why are you being so hostile here? There's no reason for that. -- Aldude999 ( talk) 01:45, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Everyone. Please. Remain calm. This is just standard work here. Stop making this a GamerGate/SJW/MRA whatever. There is no real evidence Samus is trans. End of story. GamerPro64 01:46, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I would put forth the request that this come from an OFFICIAL source, not some blog or -- and this is important -- a reputable source such as the Guardian sorucing this article. Given the author of this fanfiction's history, "Ouroboros sourcing" (a non-credible source being cited by a credible source which is then used to take the non-credible source as fact) is a real danger. Nor should this be added as a "fan theory" as this has never been brought up in serious conversation before this extremely biased and frankly moon-logic based article. KiTA ( talk) 01:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
To make things more clear: Stop trying to change a page that tries to provide information on the most objective way possible, just so it can pander to your "empowering" ideals. Step out of the echo-chamber, conflicts is not pleasant but it enriches the mind. 186.61.80.152 ( talk) 01:54, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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This has gone on long enough. Information concerning a fictional character's biography is obtained through the character's official description by its creator/author/owner. A blogger's headcanon does not constitute acceptable information concerning the character, regardless of the reliability of the source in question. The article has thankfully been semi-protected and further attempts to modify the article in such ways should be considered vandalism, and thus be grounds for a block. Akesgeroth ( talk) 03:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I've redacted all of the inappropriate speculation about the alleged actions of a living person. Editors are reminded that such speculation is inappropriate on Wikipedia. Gamaliel ( talk) 12:23, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
A couple of proudly biased bloggers and activists don't get to override the intent of the author and the entirety of the established fiction, nor are they notable enough in either the fan or critical community to even be referenced. The rush to shove this into Wikipedia is an attempt to grant this ridiculousness legitimacy. This is obvious trolling meant to provoke Metroid fans as well as promote themselves in a tabloid fashion, and has no place in an encyclopedia. This is the equivalent of some random blogger on Fox News claiming that Obama might be gay on dubious evidence and those sets of single-issue editors rushing to add it to his article. Mark me as opposed to any further changes to even reference this. Primal Chaos ( talk) 19:43, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Simple: Just block anyone from trying to add anything that claims that samus is a transgender. Seriously, the game (and the manual) only refer to samus as a male due to a translation problem. The Japanese version of the game refer to samus using a gender neutral pronoun, and since there isn't a gender neutral pronoun in english (and using "it" would make even less sense), nintendo decided to keep the minor translation problem and refer to samus as a man to avoid ruining the big surprise.
Now some "activists" (see some of Brianna Wu's posts on twitter about the matter) think that samus is a transgender (ignoring the fact that all the later titles refer to samus as a woman) due to this minor problem. Its just like that one episode of king of the hill where bobby joins some christian rock group, and hank says something like "don't you realize you are not making christianity better, you are only making rock and roll worse?". Just replace christianity with something like "acceptance of gays and transgenders" and rock and roll with "gaming".
Look, i just want to protect the integrity of the article. If you let people change the article. If you folks let people change the article to say that samus is a transgender, it will attract the people who disagree with them, and then a bunch of trolls and people who just want to cause chaos for fun into the middle of this.
I hope you guys do the right decision.
Thank you guys for your time. Cheesus Grist ( talk) 03:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
From a 2004 FAQ with the director of Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, and most other Metroid games:
http://metroid.jp/metroid_version2/development/faq3.html
Quoting Question 21: "Question : Any chance Metroid Prime will ever come to PS2? Answer: It's about as likely as 'Samus is really newhalf (transgender / hermaphrodite / etc).' Please enjoy it on the Gamecube!"
He specifically uses the term NYU-HA-FU, NewHalf, the exact same term that the original blog cites. There we have it, an official source, the director of the original Metroid using that theory as a joke to mean 'Literally Impossible.' Can we put this one to rest? KiTA ( talk) 04:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
themarysue.com In 1994, the writers of the official Japanese Super Metroid strategy guide asked Metroid’s developers if they could share any secrets about the intergalactic bounty hunter. Hirofumi Matsuoka, who helped work on the original design for Samus Aran, claimed that she “wasn’t a woman,” but instead, “ニューハーフ,” Ilkn0de ( talk) 09:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I think this discussion would have been more productive if some editors (all of whom, to no-one's surprise, have an editing history all over GamerGate, and equally unsurprisingly, all on one side) could refrain from using words like "vandalism", "fanfiction", or "headcanon" to refer to an idea supported by a direct quote from a developer. This seems to me like a series of entirely unnecessary attacks on the editor(s) attempting to insert this material and on the author of the Mary Sue piece (who is, of course, a favourite bogeyman for a certain group...)
... which is not to say that that quote is not apparently a tasteless joke - but that observation alone is quite sufficient to deal with the notion that it should go into the article, and unlike the rest, is actually about the content. Pinkbeast ( talk) 01:04, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
I haven't edited Wikipedia in a long while, but I used to contribute to and create video game articles in 2007/8. I Logged in to commend Pinkbeast on their level-headed and balanced assessment of the situation and on urging people to assume good faith to keep discussion civil. As I see it, there are two major issues with inclusion of The Mary Sue contributor article (or any sources it cites) as a citation for Samus Aran being a transgender woman:
1) Authority of the article's source for the claim
As has been pointed out, Matsuoka Hirofumi was a background art designer for Metroid. He was not the character designer, writer, founder, or lead designer on the project. The original, primary source links to the interviews may be considered reliable even if The Mary Sue is not, but he is not an appropriate authority on the matter. Perhaps a former programmer from Bungie will say in an interview with IGN that Master Chief wears pink panties underneath his armour. But this does not mean it should be added to the article on Master Chief. He was also answering a question on what is a "secret of Samus that only [you] know", which itself indicates that this is the idiosyncratic opinion of an individual, not agreed-upon characterisation detailed in the official design doc.
This is especially a concern when Sakamoto Yoshio, co-creator of the Metroid franchise and director of the game, actually refuted this claim in the other source cited by the very same The Mary Sue article. He denied that Samus Aran was a "new-half" - the same terminology used by Matsuoka, which is alleged to mean "transgender woman". The tone that Matsuoka had in making his comment (i.e. the context that it was a joke) is very much secondary to this concern about his reliability as an authority on the matter.
2) Reliability of the article
This is the most critical. Putting aside the issue of The Mary Sue being considered a situational source by WikiProject Video Games, and putting aside questions of the bias/agenda/professionalism of the authors, we have a very simple problem involving the policy of Verifiability: exceptional claims require exceptional sources. This claim that Samus Aran is transgender contains 3/4 of the red flags listed on the policy page, namely:
- "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources"
- "challenged claims that are supported purely by primary [...] sources"
- "claims that are contradicted by the prevailing view within the relevant community, or that would significantly alter mainstream assumptions"
It says this should make us extra cautious, and we should require multiple high-quality sources. We do not have this.
In summary, the claim that Samus Aran is transgender (and The Mary Sue article making that claim) should not be included in the article at this time. The reason is that the original source for the claim does not have the authority to speak on the matter; he was contradicted by someone who does have the authority to speak on the matter; and because this is a classic example of standard Wikipedia policy on Verifiability, wherein we require multiple sources for exceptional/surprising claims. I think we should stick to these objections and not entertain any speculation about the intent of editors or TMS article writers and all other irrelevant details. clicketyclick 16:38, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
You sound like Humpty-Dumpty when you say that; "Words mean what I say they mean!" Ogress smash! 19:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I can't believe this is still going on. For Gods sake talk about this on your own respected talk pages. Not in the one for Samus. This conversation has nothing to do with the character at this point. GamerPro64 21:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Just thought i should point this out to avoid future controversy, Matsuoka's statement of Samus supposedly not being female is most likely more of a joke on how she was genetically modified then her being a transsexual, as he used the term newhalf. Whoever translated the interview probably didnt realize this and ended up just translating it literally. Eata3e ( talk) 00:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
"Samus being trans" being traced back to an article on TheMarySue.com does not a source make. Neither does a mistranslation... Spoopy skeleton44 ( talk) 01:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
We seem to have reached a point where no one thinks the 'Samus is trans' Mary Sue blog post is worthy of the article, or passes any of the tests, as ClicketyClack has rightfully pointed out; and none of the information comes from an appropriate source. At this point, this conversation is turning into a drama magnet. We should consider it closed unless someone brings something new to the table, and leave the article semi-protected for a while just to avoid any further anonymous IP edits causing drama. - Primal Chaos ( talk) 01:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
I feel like it's only fair to point out that it does seem like Matsuoka was in fact on the part of the team tasked with developing the characters - i.e. Samus - for the original Metroid game. (See the Development section on the Metroid page where it credits Matsuoka with such, and the citation used there to support it.) It was in subsequent Metroid games where he was credited as a background artist - people seem to have erroneously lumped these later credits with his original one. Not that I'm defending the claim by Brianna Wu et al.; I'm just pointing out that one fact. Abion47 ( talk) 09:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
CHARACTER DESIGNED BY KIYOTAKE NEW MATSUOKA SHIKAMOTO
She isn’t, the Metroid Manga confirms this.
Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.
Samus Aran clearly exemplifies Transhumanism with "her" biologically integrated powersuit. "She" is most often seen in the powersuit and presents "herself" most often as a human-machine hybrid. Using her powersuit technology, Samus often executes feats of strengthstrength, speed, and agility beyond human capability.
It should be noted that Samus' powersuit is biologically integrated into "her" body and cannot simply be removed. For example, in Metroid Fusion, doctors cannot remove Samus' powersuit without harming Samus [1].
Beyond the powersuit, Samus exploits mecahnical and biological technology to further transform beyond the human condition. (From the Metroid E-manga) using advanced Chozo technology, Samus was infused with Chozo DNA, therefor transcending human biological makeup [2]. Additionally, in Metroid Fusion, Samus is further infused with Metroid DNA to ward off an X-parasite infection [3]. These genetic transformations are canonical.
By labeling Samus as a human, not only are we ignoring canonical evidence to the contrary -- we are in fact marginalizing Samus' unique identity and Chozo heritage. To ignore Samus' transhuman nature not only misrepresents the identity of Samus, but does a disservice to the transhuman community at large.
I feel this topic is improtant to explore and I would please ask everyone to refrain from vandalizing the wiki page with bigoted comments claiming Samus is nothing more than a human.
132.170.193.156 ( talk) 15:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC)Hiramugrant
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Since new users and anonymous editors don't get it: unless something is canon (i.e., in source material or stated by creator), you can't claim Samus Aran is canonically trans, male, furry, Nazi, feminist, MRA, based on a real person, lesbian, straight, three monkeys in a suit, or whatever. For example:
I hope this clears things up for you people. Why you obsess over a fictional character is beyond me. Why you even think your feelings equal, surpass, or substitute for canon is beyond me. Exhentai ( talk) 12:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
As long as we also accept that you can't claim Samus is canonically cis as well Lathomas64 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
That is weird people were saying she was a Nazi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Castlevania Boy ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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Leading (main) female characters in video games, 1980s, pre-NES Samus Aran: Leading (main) female characters in video games:
Magnavox Odyssey:
Female player (Simon Says, Odyssey, 1972, main character)
Apple ][:
Female player selection (Akalabeth: World of Doom, Origin, 1979, selectable)
Jenny (Jenny of the prairie, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Clair (Cave Girl Clair, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Lauren (Lauren of the 25th century, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Chelsea (Chelsea of the south sea Islands, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character)
Arcade:
Ms. Pac-Man (Ms. Pac-Man, Bally Midway, 1981, main character)
Lady Bug (Lady Bug, Universal, 1981, main character)
Kissy and Takky (Baraduke, Namco, 1985, main characters)
Atari 2600 VCS:
Billie Sue (Wabbit, Games by Apollo, 1982, main character)
Dolphin (Dolphin, female Dolphin, Activision, 1983, main character)
Alice (Alice Adventure, Quelle, 1983, main character)
Laurie Strode (Halloween, Wizard Video Games, 1983, main character)
Blond girl (Ghost Manor, Xonox, 1983, selectable)
Leading Lady (Beat ‘em and eat ‘em, Mystique, 1983, main character)
Strawberry Shortcake (Strawberry Shortcake, Parker, 1983, main character)
Chinese Girl (Dancing Plates, Dishaster, Bit Corp.,Zimag, 1983, main character)
Inventa (handheld game & watch)
Snow White (Snow White, Inventa, 1983, main character
Sleeping Beauty (Sleeping Beauty, Inventa, 1983, main character)
Colecovison:
Anna Lee (Cabage Patch Kids, Coleco, 1984, main character)
Atari 8-bit:
Kim Kimberly (Snowball, Return to Eden, Level 9 Computing, 1983, 1984, main character)
Alexandra (Lode Runner’s Rescue, Synapse, 1985, main character)
Englishwoman (Plundered Hearts, Infocom, 1987, main character)
Sega SG-1000:
Papri (Girl’s Garden, Sega, 1984, main character)
C64:
Barbie (Barbie, Epyx, 1984, main character
Trixie Trinian (The secret of St. Brides, Audiogenic, 1985, main character)
Alter Ego female version (Alter Ego, Activision, 1986, main character)
NES:
Samus Aran (Metroid, Nintendo, 1986, main character)
So the first 'real' woman in a video game is Billy Sue (game: WABBIT, 1982) from 'Games by Apollo' on the Atari VCS 2600 console, the Guinness Book got it wrong!
A correction is needed. Please, proper research required before posting such untruths. — Preceding
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By 'better', I mean one that's representative of Samus' traditional appearance, the way she's appeared throughout most of the series rather than her design in Prime 3 (which is far from the newest game at this point). Are there any reasons why we couldn't use Other M artwork instead? Valjeanlafitte ( talk) 22:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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The article mentions that Samus' official height from the Super Metroid handbook was a slight mistranslation, and that her aforementioned height and weight applied only to her in the suit. They cited a website released by Nintendo at around the same time as evidence [1]. Upon investigation, the website does not seem to confirm this at all. The way the website is formatted makes any conclusion at most indecisive and at least actually in support of what was stated in the handbook. It's also worth noting that I've never seen this claim made anywhere else. RainingHavoc ( talk) 23:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Can I have the picture for de.wikipedia.org and who has make it?
He ruined the infobox, we need to revert this. Can someone please message him and tell him never to do this again. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 14:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
I just reverted Kung Fu Man's vandalism, can someone please talk to him and tell him to never do something like this again, I'll look for anymore articles to see if he has vandalized them too. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 14:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Somebody went overboard and decided to add facts about her height, eye color, and for some reason hair color. I deleted the uneccesary information. Now I do agree with you that the infobox is too much. So here's why I'm gonna do, I'll add in universe facts about the Bounty Hunter, but not too much, I'll only add her gender, occupation, child, family, and Affiliation. I'll make sure nobody goes overboard on the infobox. (Plus your right bro, there was way too much crap in that infobox I'm sorry if I lost my temper). Now here's the thing you have to understand here, you don't have to delete her in universe information, it's missing something, you know? Every fictional character must have in universal facts.
So are you cool with me doing this, we're cool? GeekFreak98 ( talk) 17:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
I kept her in-universe information in, but I shorten it. Thank you for informing this, I didn't know it was too much. If someone is overdoing or adding to much info in her in universe info, do not delete her in-universe info, just deleted the ones that are added. GeekFreak98 ( talk) 18:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
We all know it's not canon, so why keep it? It's also making Samus' infobox bigger, which is too much. Imo, I think it's best to delete Captain N as her "significant other." In fact she doesn't even have one yet! So are we gonna remove Captain N from the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeekFreak98 ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Just recently, Samus' infobox was filled with unnessecary and stupid information. Kung Fu Man deleted her in-universe information, which is bothersome and I completely understand why he did that. I brought back her in-universe information, but deleted unnessecary info about her, like her "spouse" and having way too many family members.
So to the editors reading this, please leave the infobox where is it, don't add any new info in, unless it's important. If you disobey, we'll revert and possibly report you if you continue. Thank you, Kung Fu Man for mentioning this.
Do not delete Samus' in-universe information, every fictional character should have in-universe information.
Editors and veterans of Wikipedia, I ask if you can secure this article for a while.
If your a newbie to Wikipedia and , please use sandbox.
Thank you
Special Thanks to Kung Fu Man GeekFreak98 ( talk) 18:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
If this article was nominated at Wikipedia:Good article nominations today, I'd quick fail it. It's incredibly below current good article standards, from everything from reference formatting to over-detail. After reading this article for the first time today, I was going to formally renominate it, but thought I'd bring this up on the talk page first to see if anyone had any comments or wanted to display a willingness to improve the article without formal re-assessment. I note of the top 10 editors to this article, nine have not edited the page since at least 2012, and the other one is permanently banned from editing. Damien Linnane ( talk) 01:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Extremely bloated and out of date reception section, and inconsistent referencing, among many other issues. Consensus from both talk page and WikiProject Video games that the article no longer meets GA standards. Damien Linnane ( talk) 13:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I only looked at the two last references 80 and 81 and gotta say these articles are pretty stupid, sorry. Ranking Smash Characters by their own personal preferences at seemingly random conditions. I really dont know what constitutes linking the character of Samus to these garbage articles that lack common sense and any credibility behind them. Fgwhlezm vrj ( talk) 03:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)