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What happened in Samsun in 1919 that May 19 is now a holiday in Turkey ? -- 65.95.155.171 20:05, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
The Turkish Independence War started on May 19, 1919, when Mustafa Kemal reached Samsun. I don't understand what you mean Petros. Are the Turks (including me) narrow minded? For what reason? Deniz T C 15:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
The Dutch version of is the 200,000th Wikipedia article written in that language. -- Slgrandson 01:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I would like an expert to check the climate information as I wonder whether global warming is causing the current heatwave. Much as I love the BBC perhaps a more original source could be found? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzlcdh ( talk • contribs) 18:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand the bit in brackets at the beginning:
(alternative spelling Amisus, Eis Amison - meaning to amisos took the name Samsunta or Samsus (Eis Amison - Samson - Samsounta) as in Greek + ounta "Greek toponomical suffix".[1] )
Can anyone rewrite this to make the meaning clearer?
Also does it not contradict the later statement that: "Samsun's original name was Enete"
Jzlcdh ( talk) 09:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Tried to clarify this but I do not understand why the previous version mentioned the Hitites in connection with Enete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeune17 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
the name of the region in the past. Böri ( talk) 13:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for that info but this article is about the city of Samsun not the province of Samsun or the borough of Canik in particular. So the info may be very useful for another article but I am not sure it should be included in this one. Jzlcdh ( talk) 00:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Where does that figure in the infobox come from and does it include Tekkeköy?
Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I cannot find any source so I am taking it out. If anyone has a source for the right area please put it in and quote the source. Jzlcdh ( talk) 10:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I really cannot believe that "Snowfall is quite common between the months of December and March, snowing for a week or two, and it can be heavy once it snows." I suspect that someone has copeid or translated this from a source about Samsun Province. As I aked for a reference several months ago and this article is about the city of Samsun not the province I am removing it.
Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I wonder whether Menikure may be thinking of Samsun Province when mentioning heavy snowfall. If so I suggest the sentence be moved to the article about Samsun Province as this article is about the city of Samsun. If Menikure is in fact referring to the city I would like to see some evidence of any heavy snowfall within the city limits this century. Therefore I am adding a "citation needed" tag. Jzlcdh ( talk) 15:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't dispute that it snows. In fact it snowed a couple of days ago. But it has only snowed once this winter and the flakes melted as soon as they hit the ground (even though I was watching from above the average height of the city). So I dispute that it "can be heavy" and I would like to see evidence of any heavy snow within the city this century - for example a local newspaper report. I suspect either global warming or the growth of the city causing an urban heat island is the reason there is not the heavy snow now that the old people can remember from their childhood. Still lets hope more people insulate their houses and it comes back. Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone got a reasonable city map which could be added? Google maps is out of date e.g. it does not show the tramway or shipbuilding yard. It would be good to have one showing the city boundary and contours so that Menikure and I can go to the highest point when it snows next and discuss whether it is heavy! Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I just looked at Bing Maps and that is even worse than Google Maps. They have labelled the Mert as the Yesilirmak! Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Added map from Open Street Map via MapOSMatic. First time I did this so if you have a better way feel free. Also you can improve map itself on OSM. Jzlcdh ( talk) 15:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I am confused whether settlers arrived 6th or 7th century BC or both as the history section is unclear on that. Can anyone clarify? Jzlcdh ( talk) 10:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I happened to notice in the Archeology Museum they say "7th century" so I will delete the sentence re 6th century. Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Now someone has corrected the Samsun population figure it appears smaller than Odessa which has 1 million people. So presumably the claim in the intro that it is the largest city on the Black Sea is wrong. Similarly Constanta appears to have a bigger port. Anyway I took them out but if anyone has contrary evidence please undo. Jzlcdh ( talk) 12:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to explain the reasons why I undid the recent edit which had added the Greek name of the city to the introduction:
1)To avoid an edit war between Greeks and Turks (as a Brit I think I can take a neutral point of view).
2) There are sections of the article entitled "name" and "history" where it could be mentioned if relevent. I believe the introduction is for the most important points. If Athenian would like to write more in the history section about the Miletian settlers it might make very interesting reading. Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
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Come on guys, you can do better than that. Show up your Greekness... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.85.90 ( talk) 17:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Are you referring to the events of 760 - 750 BC? If so have you more info and a better reference? Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The "sites" section does not make much sense to me apart from the last paragraph. Perhaps we should remove it and put the last para in "places to see". Or can anyone improve it? Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it should come from http://www.dmi.gov.tr/veridegerlendirme/il-ve-ilceler-istatistik.aspx?m=SAMSUN as there is slightly more info. Jzlcdh ( talk) 21:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The source used now for averages does not say over what period the average is taken whereas the source above does. However the source above is for the province not the city. Perhaps the stats should be removed as maybe there is no reliable souce? Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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I am confused whether Samsun was part of the Ilkhanate or the Empire of Trebizond or both? Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Er .... now I am more confused. I understand that "safavide" is French for "Safavid" but I don't understand what a "Safavid aryan" is or how that relates to my question. Can you explain simply and in detail? Please note my history knowledge is small. Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
I still do not understand what you mean. And, as I already mentioned, "safavide" is not an English word but French. English is "Safavid". Can you please explain more clearly? Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC) Note: the above section's comments were tampered with in this edit on 8 January 2013 (UTC). Graham87 ( talk) 04:33, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Editor in the native section doesnt allow to writing this, whats wrong with samsun then?.( mahire ( talk) 15:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC)).
Sorry I do not understand what you mean - can you explain more clearly? Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Is George Finlay a reliable source for the info re Sabbas e.g. does he himself cite any primary or other secondary source? Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
176.58.180.230 posted this comment on 22 January 2014 ( view all feedback).
the page < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsun > does not contain enough references, I believe that it should be noted. The text also clearly ignores a huge part of the history of the city which was for centuries a vibrant greek city.
Any thoughts?
Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Could you possibly put "citation needed" where you think a reference is lacking? If you are not sure how to do that please ask or just mention here where you think there should be more refs.
Re the history section I agree it is not very good. However I suspect the history section on the Turkish article is also unreliable. If you have more reliable info or sources please add to it. If I get time I will ask at the new town museum whether they might be able to check and correct the Turkish article on Samsun. If so I can then translate it. Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Can we have this nonsense deleted again, please? It's ridiculous. -andy 2.243.99.64 ( talk) 21:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
As the article is not protected if you want to delete it you should be able to do it yourself. Just click "edit", delete the line which says "Distinguish|Samsung" with curly brackets, and click "save page". Any problems let us know. Jzlcdh ( talk) 21:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I have no objection to this edit of yours. Would you wish to remove the same information also from the other part of Wikipedia from which I drew it? Esoglou ( talk) 19:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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It seems that wrong "Yıldıray Çınar" citied on the page. Should be revise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.175.109.186 ( talk) 09:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
YÜMLÜ, M., REVISITING THE TWO TRAVEL ACCOUNTS ON THE BLACK SEA REGION OF TURKEY. Chidgk1 ( talk) 08:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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What happened in Samsun in 1919 that May 19 is now a holiday in Turkey ? -- 65.95.155.171 20:05, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
The Turkish Independence War started on May 19, 1919, when Mustafa Kemal reached Samsun. I don't understand what you mean Petros. Are the Turks (including me) narrow minded? For what reason? Deniz T C 15:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
The Dutch version of is the 200,000th Wikipedia article written in that language. -- Slgrandson 01:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I would like an expert to check the climate information as I wonder whether global warming is causing the current heatwave. Much as I love the BBC perhaps a more original source could be found? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzlcdh ( talk • contribs) 18:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand the bit in brackets at the beginning:
(alternative spelling Amisus, Eis Amison - meaning to amisos took the name Samsunta or Samsus (Eis Amison - Samson - Samsounta) as in Greek + ounta "Greek toponomical suffix".[1] )
Can anyone rewrite this to make the meaning clearer?
Also does it not contradict the later statement that: "Samsun's original name was Enete"
Jzlcdh ( talk) 09:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Tried to clarify this but I do not understand why the previous version mentioned the Hitites in connection with Enete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeune17 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
the name of the region in the past. Böri ( talk) 13:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for that info but this article is about the city of Samsun not the province of Samsun or the borough of Canik in particular. So the info may be very useful for another article but I am not sure it should be included in this one. Jzlcdh ( talk) 00:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Where does that figure in the infobox come from and does it include Tekkeköy?
Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I cannot find any source so I am taking it out. If anyone has a source for the right area please put it in and quote the source. Jzlcdh ( talk) 10:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I really cannot believe that "Snowfall is quite common between the months of December and March, snowing for a week or two, and it can be heavy once it snows." I suspect that someone has copeid or translated this from a source about Samsun Province. As I aked for a reference several months ago and this article is about the city of Samsun not the province I am removing it.
Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I wonder whether Menikure may be thinking of Samsun Province when mentioning heavy snowfall. If so I suggest the sentence be moved to the article about Samsun Province as this article is about the city of Samsun. If Menikure is in fact referring to the city I would like to see some evidence of any heavy snowfall within the city limits this century. Therefore I am adding a "citation needed" tag. Jzlcdh ( talk) 15:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't dispute that it snows. In fact it snowed a couple of days ago. But it has only snowed once this winter and the flakes melted as soon as they hit the ground (even though I was watching from above the average height of the city). So I dispute that it "can be heavy" and I would like to see evidence of any heavy snow within the city this century - for example a local newspaper report. I suspect either global warming or the growth of the city causing an urban heat island is the reason there is not the heavy snow now that the old people can remember from their childhood. Still lets hope more people insulate their houses and it comes back. Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone got a reasonable city map which could be added? Google maps is out of date e.g. it does not show the tramway or shipbuilding yard. It would be good to have one showing the city boundary and contours so that Menikure and I can go to the highest point when it snows next and discuss whether it is heavy! Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I just looked at Bing Maps and that is even worse than Google Maps. They have labelled the Mert as the Yesilirmak! Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Added map from Open Street Map via MapOSMatic. First time I did this so if you have a better way feel free. Also you can improve map itself on OSM. Jzlcdh ( talk) 15:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I am confused whether settlers arrived 6th or 7th century BC or both as the history section is unclear on that. Can anyone clarify? Jzlcdh ( talk) 10:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I happened to notice in the Archeology Museum they say "7th century" so I will delete the sentence re 6th century. Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Now someone has corrected the Samsun population figure it appears smaller than Odessa which has 1 million people. So presumably the claim in the intro that it is the largest city on the Black Sea is wrong. Similarly Constanta appears to have a bigger port. Anyway I took them out but if anyone has contrary evidence please undo. Jzlcdh ( talk) 12:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to explain the reasons why I undid the recent edit which had added the Greek name of the city to the introduction:
1)To avoid an edit war between Greeks and Turks (as a Brit I think I can take a neutral point of view).
2) There are sections of the article entitled "name" and "history" where it could be mentioned if relevent. I believe the introduction is for the most important points. If Athenian would like to write more in the history section about the Miletian settlers it might make very interesting reading. Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Jzlcdh ( talk) 16:26, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Come on guys, you can do better than that. Show up your Greekness... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.85.90 ( talk) 17:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Are you referring to the events of 760 - 750 BC? If so have you more info and a better reference? Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The "sites" section does not make much sense to me apart from the last paragraph. Perhaps we should remove it and put the last para in "places to see". Or can anyone improve it? Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it should come from http://www.dmi.gov.tr/veridegerlendirme/il-ve-ilceler-istatistik.aspx?m=SAMSUN as there is slightly more info. Jzlcdh ( talk) 21:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The source used now for averages does not say over what period the average is taken whereas the source above does. However the source above is for the province not the city. Perhaps the stats should be removed as maybe there is no reliable souce? Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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I am confused whether Samsun was part of the Ilkhanate or the Empire of Trebizond or both? Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Er .... now I am more confused. I understand that "safavide" is French for "Safavid" but I don't understand what a "Safavid aryan" is or how that relates to my question. Can you explain simply and in detail? Please note my history knowledge is small. Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
I still do not understand what you mean. And, as I already mentioned, "safavide" is not an English word but French. English is "Safavid". Can you please explain more clearly? Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC) Note: the above section's comments were tampered with in this edit on 8 January 2013 (UTC). Graham87 ( talk) 04:33, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Editor in the native section doesnt allow to writing this, whats wrong with samsun then?.( mahire ( talk) 15:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC)).
Sorry I do not understand what you mean - can you explain more clearly? Jzlcdh ( talk) 18:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Is George Finlay a reliable source for the info re Sabbas e.g. does he himself cite any primary or other secondary source? Jzlcdh ( talk) 19:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
176.58.180.230 posted this comment on 22 January 2014 ( view all feedback).
the page < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsun > does not contain enough references, I believe that it should be noted. The text also clearly ignores a huge part of the history of the city which was for centuries a vibrant greek city.
Any thoughts?
Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Could you possibly put "citation needed" where you think a reference is lacking? If you are not sure how to do that please ask or just mention here where you think there should be more refs.
Re the history section I agree it is not very good. However I suspect the history section on the Turkish article is also unreliable. If you have more reliable info or sources please add to it. If I get time I will ask at the new town museum whether they might be able to check and correct the Turkish article on Samsun. If so I can then translate it. Jzlcdh ( talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Can we have this nonsense deleted again, please? It's ridiculous. -andy 2.243.99.64 ( talk) 21:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
As the article is not protected if you want to delete it you should be able to do it yourself. Just click "edit", delete the line which says "Distinguish|Samsung" with curly brackets, and click "save page". Any problems let us know. Jzlcdh ( talk) 21:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I have no objection to this edit of yours. Would you wish to remove the same information also from the other part of Wikipedia from which I drew it? Esoglou ( talk) 19:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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