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Is an explanations of soviet vs western voltages really in place in an article about the samovar?
How about just a link to such an explanation "One of the difficulties of exporting samovars to North America is the differeing voltages between the two countries" Datepalm17 08:22, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm doing some editing (which I started before reading the bit in te Village Pump a couple of months ago), a little to make it more encyclopedish, but mostly to fix up the style. Some parts are being taken out in pursuit of the first goal, but I'm trying to leave in as much as I possibly can, and preserve the flavor as much as I can when I'm rewording and reworking. -- ♥ «Charles A. L.» 16:38, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
I like it just the way it is. It brings in a little bit of russian humour to the thing and in a way makes it more authentic. 21:15, Aug 31, 2004 (in Western Kazakhstan)
Ditto. Leave the humor intact (or add to it if you are as funny as the author.) -- spinoza 04:47, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
217.132.130.128 wrote: Of course, there were special samovar bellows as well, so some historians claim the use of sapog to be a legend. Nonetheless it has been depicted numerous times, especially in caricature.
I tried using pine cones in my samovar. They produced a huge volume of smoke, an acrid stench, and coated the heating chamber with resin. I'll never try THAT again! -- Saxophobia 00:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to see a picture of a modern electric samover to see what they look like now. 159753 13:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
In order to find the origin of the Samovar, I suppose it would help if we knew where the tea came from in Russia, and when. The origin of the tea plant and its cultivation is in southwest China (Yunnan) and Benghal, but did Russia get it from there? Or was the samovar a Turkish invention / of Turkic people in central Asia, and why - perhaps because it is portable, fitting in a nomadic life style? - Marco ( ecocam.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.241.149.64 ( talk) 08:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
I agree LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huntgoddess218 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
A friend of mine, who came to the United States from Moscow as an adult refugee, tells me that the Russian equivalent of the English saying, "to carry coal to Newcastle," (i.e. to provide what is not needed) is, "to take your samovar to Tula." Dick Kimball ( talk) 13:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
A reference to using a boot for a bellows is in Tolstoy , Resurrection , Date Pub ? Page 480 Published by Hamish Hamilton Ltd London (````) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rob1357 ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor operating from IP address 99.248.73.32 has repeatedly added commercial links to this and other pages. Wikipedia is not an advertising service, and such links will be removed. JamesBWatson ( talk) 17:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The Storm kettle article has been tagged to suggest a merger here. -- Fremte ( talk) 00:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
{{
merge}}
proposal was made, and after a period of time (with no objections) the move was acted upon. The material combined and tided up. It is appreciated that you wish to contribute to the discussion, but as your participation comes (significantly) after the former discussion and consensus, could I recommend starting a new proposal. I'm sure that you will have the full attention of all of those who were involved with the original discernment covering the outcome of the previous decision.It looks like "storm kettle" is not trademarkable term: the manufacturer's (Eydon Kettle) website says: "The famous Storm Kettle - ideal for all outdoor enthusiasts. STORM is the registered trade mark of the Eydon Kettle Co Ltd (no 2151189) The Popular Storm Kettle is a registered design (no 2070859)". If they owned the exact term "storm kettle" they would not hesitate to say so, if I am not mistaken. Concluding: Storm kettle is a good article title (beats Kelly kettle, which is definitely trademarked, and beats volcano kettle, which sounds too fancy to be close to 19th century original). The article may possibly be renamed if someone accidentally stumbles upon the oldtime name and it turns out to be popular until today. - Altenmann >t 18:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
It is of note how both companies say nothing factual which would help to nail down the details of the origin of the design. It seems both starhed their trade in 1960s, while the design dates back to 19th century. - Altenmann >t 18:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Suggestion: I would suggest to move (cut'n'paste) this section into Talk:Storm kettle, since it looks like it evolved away from "samovar" into talk about naming, rather than merging. - Altenmann >t 18:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
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tags are getting involved. So it seems to be a good location to be having it. —
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19:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
The original suggested name change for Storm kettle was Benghazi Boiler, except this would be like calling something by a name no one uses since world war 2. There appear to be no further generic names. The original Storm kettle article was called Kelly kettle, but then the owner of that brandname or maybe it was someone associated with another brandname it objected, so it got to be named to Storm kettle, then someone objected because this is a brandname too. It is merely splitting hairs to say that the item or brandname is called Storm. No-one would say pour me some water from the storm would they? They'd say storm kettle, right?
Further discussion suggested camping kettle or hollow kettle except that these names are pure inventions and not used by anyone. Then it was noted that these items operate just like a Samovar, and the name change issue changed to a merge - the name change appeared unresolvable.
While all the suggestions about research and naming conventions are all appreciated, this has all been done and is documented in the talk at Storm kettle. We simply appear to be back a square one with no resolution.
Q: If the merger is not on, then what is the generic name for Storm kettle? A: There isn't one. A2: Can we invent a name and just decide it's a Camping samovar, a Hollow kettle, or Water boiler without a generic name or Unnamed kettle that resembles a samovar. ;) - Fremte ( talk) 03:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
After the talk in talk page I noticed that the link electric samovar was missing. I added a redirect. then decided to google the term. I was surprized to find a funny page with some content very close to wikipedia article. I became curious about who ripped off whom, since there is no mutual references. I looked thru page history and see that much content was preserved from this page ( imported here as early in 2004 based of GFDL), but the reference (ext link) was later removed; I guess the source was considered "not good enough". Still, GFDL is GFDL. And, e.g., the section "Electric samovar" is nearly unchanged. So I guess we have to either restore the attribution or delete the infringing content. Opinions? Timurite ( talk) 21:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Any thoughts about moving the pictures down to a gallery style? Might be a better layout. Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 03:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
And where is a a sectional view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.28.53 ( talk) 11:34, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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Samovar is pronounced samăvar in Persian.
If that how it is pronounced, shouldn't it be in represented in the IPA instead? Or did they (whoever wrote that sentence) mean "romanized", not "pronounced"? ZFT ( talk) 04:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
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Is an explanations of soviet vs western voltages really in place in an article about the samovar?
How about just a link to such an explanation "One of the difficulties of exporting samovars to North America is the differeing voltages between the two countries" Datepalm17 08:22, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm doing some editing (which I started before reading the bit in te Village Pump a couple of months ago), a little to make it more encyclopedish, but mostly to fix up the style. Some parts are being taken out in pursuit of the first goal, but I'm trying to leave in as much as I possibly can, and preserve the flavor as much as I can when I'm rewording and reworking. -- ♥ «Charles A. L.» 16:38, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
I like it just the way it is. It brings in a little bit of russian humour to the thing and in a way makes it more authentic. 21:15, Aug 31, 2004 (in Western Kazakhstan)
Ditto. Leave the humor intact (or add to it if you are as funny as the author.) -- spinoza 04:47, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
217.132.130.128 wrote: Of course, there were special samovar bellows as well, so some historians claim the use of sapog to be a legend. Nonetheless it has been depicted numerous times, especially in caricature.
I tried using pine cones in my samovar. They produced a huge volume of smoke, an acrid stench, and coated the heating chamber with resin. I'll never try THAT again! -- Saxophobia 00:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to see a picture of a modern electric samover to see what they look like now. 159753 13:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
In order to find the origin of the Samovar, I suppose it would help if we knew where the tea came from in Russia, and when. The origin of the tea plant and its cultivation is in southwest China (Yunnan) and Benghal, but did Russia get it from there? Or was the samovar a Turkish invention / of Turkic people in central Asia, and why - perhaps because it is portable, fitting in a nomadic life style? - Marco ( ecocam.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.241.149.64 ( talk) 08:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
I agree LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huntgoddess218 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
A friend of mine, who came to the United States from Moscow as an adult refugee, tells me that the Russian equivalent of the English saying, "to carry coal to Newcastle," (i.e. to provide what is not needed) is, "to take your samovar to Tula." Dick Kimball ( talk) 13:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
A reference to using a boot for a bellows is in Tolstoy , Resurrection , Date Pub ? Page 480 Published by Hamish Hamilton Ltd London (````) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rob1357 ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor operating from IP address 99.248.73.32 has repeatedly added commercial links to this and other pages. Wikipedia is not an advertising service, and such links will be removed. JamesBWatson ( talk) 17:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The Storm kettle article has been tagged to suggest a merger here. -- Fremte ( talk) 00:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
{{
merge}}
proposal was made, and after a period of time (with no objections) the move was acted upon. The material combined and tided up. It is appreciated that you wish to contribute to the discussion, but as your participation comes (significantly) after the former discussion and consensus, could I recommend starting a new proposal. I'm sure that you will have the full attention of all of those who were involved with the original discernment covering the outcome of the previous decision.It looks like "storm kettle" is not trademarkable term: the manufacturer's (Eydon Kettle) website says: "The famous Storm Kettle - ideal for all outdoor enthusiasts. STORM is the registered trade mark of the Eydon Kettle Co Ltd (no 2151189) The Popular Storm Kettle is a registered design (no 2070859)". If they owned the exact term "storm kettle" they would not hesitate to say so, if I am not mistaken. Concluding: Storm kettle is a good article title (beats Kelly kettle, which is definitely trademarked, and beats volcano kettle, which sounds too fancy to be close to 19th century original). The article may possibly be renamed if someone accidentally stumbles upon the oldtime name and it turns out to be popular until today. - Altenmann >t 18:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
It is of note how both companies say nothing factual which would help to nail down the details of the origin of the design. It seems both starhed their trade in 1960s, while the design dates back to 19th century. - Altenmann >t 18:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Suggestion: I would suggest to move (cut'n'paste) this section into Talk:Storm kettle, since it looks like it evolved away from "samovar" into talk about naming, rather than merging. - Altenmann >t 18:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
{{
mergefrom}}
tags are getting involved. So it seems to be a good location to be having it. —
Sladen (
talk)
19:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
The original suggested name change for Storm kettle was Benghazi Boiler, except this would be like calling something by a name no one uses since world war 2. There appear to be no further generic names. The original Storm kettle article was called Kelly kettle, but then the owner of that brandname or maybe it was someone associated with another brandname it objected, so it got to be named to Storm kettle, then someone objected because this is a brandname too. It is merely splitting hairs to say that the item or brandname is called Storm. No-one would say pour me some water from the storm would they? They'd say storm kettle, right?
Further discussion suggested camping kettle or hollow kettle except that these names are pure inventions and not used by anyone. Then it was noted that these items operate just like a Samovar, and the name change issue changed to a merge - the name change appeared unresolvable.
While all the suggestions about research and naming conventions are all appreciated, this has all been done and is documented in the talk at Storm kettle. We simply appear to be back a square one with no resolution.
Q: If the merger is not on, then what is the generic name for Storm kettle? A: There isn't one. A2: Can we invent a name and just decide it's a Camping samovar, a Hollow kettle, or Water boiler without a generic name or Unnamed kettle that resembles a samovar. ;) - Fremte ( talk) 03:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
After the talk in talk page I noticed that the link electric samovar was missing. I added a redirect. then decided to google the term. I was surprized to find a funny page with some content very close to wikipedia article. I became curious about who ripped off whom, since there is no mutual references. I looked thru page history and see that much content was preserved from this page ( imported here as early in 2004 based of GFDL), but the reference (ext link) was later removed; I guess the source was considered "not good enough". Still, GFDL is GFDL. And, e.g., the section "Electric samovar" is nearly unchanged. So I guess we have to either restore the attribution or delete the infringing content. Opinions? Timurite ( talk) 21:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Any thoughts about moving the pictures down to a gallery style? Might be a better layout. Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 03:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
And where is a a sectional view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.28.53 ( talk) 11:34, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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Samovar is pronounced samăvar in Persian.
If that how it is pronounced, shouldn't it be in represented in the IPA instead? Or did they (whoever wrote that sentence) mean "romanized", not "pronounced"? ZFT ( talk) 04:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)