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Is this a machine translation? ( Alphaboi867 1 July 2005 05:10 (UTC))
I've come here from the copyediting help page, and tried to make sense of it. My source on the government structure was the CIA Factbook, available on line. However, I've kept it as a stub, because there's still a great deal of information that can be added in - for example, whether local groups or those in other parts of Europe promoted the civil union laws; what Andorra's previous attitude towards same sex couples has been, etc. Noirdame 7 July 2005 20:52 (UTC)
This article appears to say that only one of the co-princes signed that new law and that both did. Which is the case? Caveat lector 00:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
The text says that the "civil" marriage (civil casament) will have a different name than the "religious" marriage (matriomoni canonic). Does this mean that they are going to be two different legal in instruments? Touyats ( talk) 17:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC) It is a real marriage. The law passed by parliament on 21 July 2022. It comes into effect in January 2023. https://www.consellgeneral.ad/ca/activitat-parlamentaria/iniciatives-legislatives/proposicions-de-llei/proposicio-de-llei-qualificada-de-la-persona-i-de-la-familia
-- 92.76.97.233 ( talk) 12:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 20:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Recognition of same-sex unions in Andorra → Same-sex marriage in Andorra – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. Robsalerno ( talk) 22:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Should it be done already? Isn’t convention to change the title only when a law actually comes into force? If this is the case, we should wait for the 6 months after Macron signs the law to pass. Even though I wouldn’t mind changing it after the proclamation of the law. Cabaret Voltaire 1916 ( talk) 11:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
I disagree with the title change. Or at least, we need legal guidance. What it looks like is that Andorra never had civil marriage but only Catholic Canonical marriage and the state recognized Canonical marriage for allk intent and purposes as its own. Now they decicided to implement a civil "marriage", open to all couples (and to non-Catholic couples too) except it's not even called "marriage" but "casamiento". So, sorry, this is not marriage for all. This is a form of equalitarian civil union law. At a minimum, let's wait the 6 months to wait for opinions on the law. Touyats ( talk) 05:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Support It is almost the same thing that happened in South Africa. The law that regulates same-sex marriages there is the Civil Union Act. Raniee09 ( talk) 10:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I wrote a section detailing the controversy about 'casament' and 'matrimoni'. @ Panda2018 0 you removed it. Care to explain why? If you think it's original research or non-NPOV, please mark it with the appropriate template. Or let's discuss here first if it should stay or go. Touyats ( talk) 16:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
1. Netherlands 2. Belgium 3. Spain 4. Canada 5. South Africa 6. Norway 7. Sweden 8. Portugal 9. Iceland 10. Argentina 11. Denmark 12. Brazil 13. France 14. Uruguay 15. New Zealand 16. Luxembourg 17. United States 18. Ireland 19. Colombia 20. Finland 21. Malta 22. Germany 23. Australia 24. Austria 25. Taiwan 26. Ecuador 27. United Kingdom (complete with Northern Ireland) 28. Costa Rica 29. Chile 30. Switzerland 31. Slovenia 32. ? Andorra
Andorra is currently set to be the 32nd country to legalise same-sex marriage, though eventually may be the 33rd (Cuba), or maybe even the 34th or 35th. We cannot know, and this sort of language should only be added once we know for certain. Panda2018 0 ( talk) 23:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
It's not legal nationwide in Mexico, hence why it shouldn’t be counted. Media count it; they shouldn’t. Anyway, this is getting kinda silly. The sentence is now quite wordy. I think we should just wait until 17 February 2023 to know for certain. In the meantime, the sentence should be left out. Panda2018 0 ( talk) 08:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
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Is this a machine translation? ( Alphaboi867 1 July 2005 05:10 (UTC))
I've come here from the copyediting help page, and tried to make sense of it. My source on the government structure was the CIA Factbook, available on line. However, I've kept it as a stub, because there's still a great deal of information that can be added in - for example, whether local groups or those in other parts of Europe promoted the civil union laws; what Andorra's previous attitude towards same sex couples has been, etc. Noirdame 7 July 2005 20:52 (UTC)
This article appears to say that only one of the co-princes signed that new law and that both did. Which is the case? Caveat lector 00:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
The text says that the "civil" marriage (civil casament) will have a different name than the "religious" marriage (matriomoni canonic). Does this mean that they are going to be two different legal in instruments? Touyats ( talk) 17:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC) It is a real marriage. The law passed by parliament on 21 July 2022. It comes into effect in January 2023. https://www.consellgeneral.ad/ca/activitat-parlamentaria/iniciatives-legislatives/proposicions-de-llei/proposicio-de-llei-qualificada-de-la-persona-i-de-la-familia
-- 92.76.97.233 ( talk) 12:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 20:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Recognition of same-sex unions in Andorra → Same-sex marriage in Andorra – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. Robsalerno ( talk) 22:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Should it be done already? Isn’t convention to change the title only when a law actually comes into force? If this is the case, we should wait for the 6 months after Macron signs the law to pass. Even though I wouldn’t mind changing it after the proclamation of the law. Cabaret Voltaire 1916 ( talk) 11:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
I disagree with the title change. Or at least, we need legal guidance. What it looks like is that Andorra never had civil marriage but only Catholic Canonical marriage and the state recognized Canonical marriage for allk intent and purposes as its own. Now they decicided to implement a civil "marriage", open to all couples (and to non-Catholic couples too) except it's not even called "marriage" but "casamiento". So, sorry, this is not marriage for all. This is a form of equalitarian civil union law. At a minimum, let's wait the 6 months to wait for opinions on the law. Touyats ( talk) 05:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Support It is almost the same thing that happened in South Africa. The law that regulates same-sex marriages there is the Civil Union Act. Raniee09 ( talk) 10:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I wrote a section detailing the controversy about 'casament' and 'matrimoni'. @ Panda2018 0 you removed it. Care to explain why? If you think it's original research or non-NPOV, please mark it with the appropriate template. Or let's discuss here first if it should stay or go. Touyats ( talk) 16:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
1. Netherlands 2. Belgium 3. Spain 4. Canada 5. South Africa 6. Norway 7. Sweden 8. Portugal 9. Iceland 10. Argentina 11. Denmark 12. Brazil 13. France 14. Uruguay 15. New Zealand 16. Luxembourg 17. United States 18. Ireland 19. Colombia 20. Finland 21. Malta 22. Germany 23. Australia 24. Austria 25. Taiwan 26. Ecuador 27. United Kingdom (complete with Northern Ireland) 28. Costa Rica 29. Chile 30. Switzerland 31. Slovenia 32. ? Andorra
Andorra is currently set to be the 32nd country to legalise same-sex marriage, though eventually may be the 33rd (Cuba), or maybe even the 34th or 35th. We cannot know, and this sort of language should only be added once we know for certain. Panda2018 0 ( talk) 23:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
It's not legal nationwide in Mexico, hence why it shouldn’t be counted. Media count it; they shouldn’t. Anyway, this is getting kinda silly. The sentence is now quite wordy. I think we should just wait until 17 February 2023 to know for certain. In the meantime, the sentence should be left out. Panda2018 0 ( talk) 08:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)