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The result of the move request was: page moved -- no need for disambiguating qualifier. JHunterJ ( talk) 17:06, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Sam Sloan (chess player) → Sam Sloan – No need for disambiguation in the title. There are no other articles on WP with "Sam Sloan" in the title, and there is a hatnote at the top of the page that links to the Samuel Sloan dab page. Currently, pages cannot be manually moved to Sam Sloan, as it redirects to the aforementioned dab page. JayJasper ( talk) 17:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Support No other article named Sam Sloan, no need for disambiguation. Canuck My page 89 (talk), 06:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC) Support - Rachitrali ( talk) 07:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
User 101.50.82.135, who appears to have been previously cited for vandalism ( 101.50.82.135 talk) of the page Chitral (princely state), added the following rather odd paragraph:
On January 17, 2018 Sloan was detained by the Superintendent of Police in Chitral Pakistan. He was held by an officer wearing a jacket saying COMMANDO ANTI TERRORIST SQUAD. He is believed to have been detained for attempting to take Family Tree DNA Genealogy DNA tests of Kalash people in Bumburet. He is still being held and his belongings are being held by the FIA, the Federal Investigation Agency, or by the ISI in Islamabad. Sloan contacted the Embassy of the United States, Islamabad but they did not offer any help at all, stating that US Citizens have been advised by the State Department not to travel to Pakistan [3] and thus any who come are on their own.
There are no citations regarding this purported incident (footnote three is a link to the US State Department's travel information page for Pakistan) nor have I been able to find any news reports of it.
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Uh.. I'm just driving by - I'm amazed there are no templates on this page warning about it! Most of the sources seem to be Sloan's own websites! There's pretty much an air of lunacy about it, as with everything he seems to be involved with. I was going to delete everything linking only to his own accounts, but that would be the whole page gone mostly. There's a load of far-fetched stories, which seem to come from Sloan himself and nowhere else. How is that wikipedia-appropriate. Wow. Anyway.. I just looked into one claim, that he was world chinese chess champion in 1988. Which sounds absurd on the face of it. It seems he didnt even play in it, but in the section for foreigners. I was going to delete, but I notice it, like most of the page, says "he claimed on such-an-such an occasion that' etc. Most of the page should be moved into a "Crazy Claims" section or something. For me, the most notable/amazing thing he's been involved in (I'm no expert) is the Truong online messages matter/scandal, where it seems Truong (Susan Polgar's husband and I believe on the board of the USCF then) wrote hundreds/thousands of fake messages pretending to be Sloan (and other people I think. I looked into it a few years ago, because it sounded soo incredibly bizarre.) Truong and Polgar were thrown out of the USCF because of that. I hadnt heard of the Sloan-winning-in-the-supreme-court thing, but the Truong affair seems to me the most notable chess thing he's been involved in. It was super-bizarre, and, from what I can tell, actually happened. Anyway, what a crazy life. Not surprised Fischer apparently felt on his level. Would make a great movie. But as a wikipedia page, wow. I guess no-one cares enough to clean it up. Probably most of it should just be deleted. I read the 2 2005 failed moves to delete. I'm not sure about that, but this page is nowhere near as 'good' as even the worst wikipedia page I'd seen before this one. I'm no wikpedia expert, but "Your own website" really is not a credible source, I think I'm pretty safe in saying. But I must go, am feeling less sane after even 20 minutes on this page. Good luck to who cleans it up, and thanks. (I'm not from the USA, have never met the guy) 110.20.175.168 ( talk) 03:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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I removed the entire section "Political positions" with this edit since it seems overly promotional in nature and not really encyclopedically relevant per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. It looks like this was first boldly added here, but it might be time to take a closer look at this per WP:CONTENTAGE.
While I think it is acceptable to mention Sloan's attempts at obtaining public office, listing his poistion's on various issues in a separate subsection seems a bit excessive. If there was a particular issue Sloan associated with for a particluar campaign which was significantly covered in reliable sources covering the campaign, then that possibly could be mentioned with the relevant content about the camplaign in the "Political campaigns" section, but he sources cited were primary sources which seem problematic to me per WP:BLPSELFPUB. Wikipedia articles about politicians are not venues for the politicians to promote their campaign or their pet issues. If there are secondary sources providing critical commentary of the various positions that Sloan has taken, then that can be included; however, listing issues in a manifesto like manner is not very encyclopedic at all. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:47, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Sloan says that he is now finding more biological children through GEDmatch searches. Should we add them to the infobox?-- Sa57arc ( talk) 23:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
The details about Shamena and her kidnapping that could only be supported by court records or some DVD on Amazon should have never beein this article in the first place per WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPSPS Morbidthoughts ( talk) 02:30, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
I removed most of the Anusha.com citations. I left two that are presented as archives of documents authored by other people where there is no other copy on the web available. I also removed some of the warnings at the top of the article. I think that we can trust Sloan to have honest copies of news articles and legal documents on his personal site.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 20:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Are there any secondary sources for his wives? His first and third wives are mentioned by name in the infobox, but they're not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Even the bit about his second wife seems to rely heavily on WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPSELFPUB types of sources, but at least there's something in the article about her. Unsourced content only mentioned in the infobox probably needs to be removed per WP:BLPSOURCES or incorporated (with supporting citations) somewhere in the body of the article. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Most of the content in this section seems to be only supported by some online news group posts which is not allowed per WP:BLPSPS. The second source cited is basically just for the "law" Sloan is supposed to have broken, but has nothing to do with Sloan or anything about the particular incident. What are needed are secondary reliable sources which discuss the content, not citations to online news groups. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Sa57arc: I'd imagine that many persons who have worked as a NY cab driver probably have a story or two about some well-known person who was a passenger in their cab; however, this is pretty trivial type of content that probably should not be mentioned even if supported by a reliable source. If there is an incident between Sloan and someone well-know that for some reason received coverage in reliable sources, then perhaps something like that could be mentioned.
You sincerely seem to be trying to improve this article though it's not clear why that's suddenly the case. Prior to November 15, you don't seem to have edited this article at all; since then, though, quite of lot of your editing has been focused on this article or content somehow related to Sloan in other articles. I've asked this before, but it's still not clear where you're getting this type of information. Are you reading it somewhere online? Do you have some connection to Sloan and thus know things like this? There's nothing wrong with either per se, but some care needs to be taken with WP:BLP content in particular to make sure it's properly supported by reliable secondary sources and encyclopedically relevant to a general understanding of the subject of the article. Many of the changes you're making seem OK at first glance, but you still keep adding unsourced and somewhat trivial blubs like this.
So, maybe instead of adding more unsourced content, it might be best to start removing already existing unsourced content from the article if a proper secondary source can't be found and cited in support. Articles can also be improved (at least from a Wikipedia standpoint) by trimming them down to only information that can be reliably supported by proper citations. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Is https://www.chessprogramming.org/Sam_Sloan an OK source for a BLP?-- Sa57arc ( talk) 16:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
How about
https://www.game-ai-forum.org/icga-tournaments/person.php?id=443
This shows that SS was involved with the Rex chess software program.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 22:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Let me admit that I did read http://www.anusha.com/awit-rex.htm years ago. Maybe I used that memory with realizing it. I will do better on limiting myself to just what the acceptable sources say.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 14:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Donald Trump has in the lead the following sentence: "He has made unsubstantiated accusations of electoral fraud, ..." in reference to the 2020 presidential election. You guys reverted me with this edit . How are these two notable living people any different as far as the rules go? Ackman reported that Sloan made a claim. I put that in the article with "Sloan claimed..." and I even quoted the Ackman article directly. Should we remove that claim from the Trump article?!? Is the problem that I did not use the word "unsubstantiated"? What gives?-- Sa57arc ( talk) 11:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
What was wrong with the Brady quote? The one where he says that Sloan has an eidetic memory. Is it WP:DUE or something? Sa57arc ( talk) 20:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Some stuff got removed in this edit because of WP:PUFFERY. I am not sure what I feel about that. PUFFERY is just an essay. I admit that Sloan is a self-promoter. Let us talk about this.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 22:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
It seems to me - and of course I could be mistaken - that Sam Sloan is chiefly notable for propagating misleading information about himself and his activities. If so, this makes it extremely difficult to compile an objective article about him.
You can see an example of his efforts if you look for books by Reuben Fine on Amazon. Reuben Fine was one of the top two or three chessplayers in the world in about 1938. He died in 1994, but he was so good that his chess books are still worth reading. But on Amazon, several are listed as "by Reuben Fine and Sam Sloan", or even as "by Sam Sloan and Reuben Fine", as though Sloan were somehow comparable in significance to Reuben Fine. In fact, these books are just reprints of books by Fine, with an "introduction" by Sloan added. Nobody buys them for the introductions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longitude2 ( talk • contribs) 18:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
On his website Sloan claims he invented an opening called the Jalalabad Defense (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 c5) and mentions it being talked about in Chess Life. It would be great if someone could track that down, or find another reliable source so this could be added to this page and potentially that of Jalalabad itself. Crockett623 ( talk) 22:27, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
If you look at the article history almost everything recently has been reverted by Wallyfromdilbert. I'm not going to claim every edit was a masterpiece but this kind of response isn't appropriate. I don't believe Wallyfromdilbert is doing anything in bad faith, but I do feel that some of the reversions have been unnecessary.
I'd direct everyone to the guidelines for reverting. Wikipedia is collaborative and reverting is discouraging to contributors, and usually does not make an article better. If something is blatantly false or misleading then perhaps revert it, otherwise please come to the talk page and discuss your thoughts or opinions on it.
Cooper Moss Hart ( talk) 20:40, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
The article says he became president of Ishi Press in the 1980s. The source is an article inThe New Republic, as stored in a web archive. But, sometimes, even a reliable source can make a typo that isn't caught. Can someone look into this? I think it had to be in 1995 or later. SlowJog ( talk) 00:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
This article was previously proposed to be deleted, however it was kept because it was determined that Sloan arguing a case before the USSC and winning was notable. If this is the reason that the article is determined to be notable then it obviously should be included in the lede, and noting the case in the lede but not the unanimous outcome does not properly present the facts of the matter. User Wallyfromdilbert may personally believe that Sloan's "participation was not particularly relevant to the case outcome", however the fact remains that Sloan won his case 9-0 and this information should be properly stated.
Furthermore, leaping right off the bat to asking whether I have COI after I made a single edit (and a fairly innocuous one at that) to this article that I had never heard of before is very odd behaviour and seems unnecessarily antagonistic. This is an edit I have made in good faith that betters the article, and there is no reason to leave out the outcome of the case that Sam Sloan is notable for. Chukulem ( talk) 19:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Care to weigh in on this User:Alison? Wally has reverted my good faith edit 3 times, and it doesn't seem like he is very interested in addressing the points I raise on why I feel it should be included. Chukulem ( talk) 18:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
AlsoWukai has repeatedly attempted to remove information about the outcome of Sloan's unsuccessful attempts to be nominated for president [1] [2] [3] [4]. They have made several different claims about the article information being "evident" and then falsely claiming that it was already in the article based on their own misreading. They have made no attempt to reword the information or present it in a different way, but instead repeatedly insist on removing it entirely. The information has been in the article for over two years (after a major rewrite of the article to remove unsourced content and other inappropriate content put into it by the article subject). Wikipedia is meant to be written for a global audience and with content that will make sense to people many years from now, and I do not see any reason why taking out helpful content would benefit the article. – wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 20:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Sloan unsuccessfully attempted to gain the nomination for US president in the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primariesto
Sloan ran for US president in the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primariesis appropriate and fairly trivial. As the other editor has explained, it is clear in context that Sloan was not successful in winning the nomination, and it is unnecessary and verbose to state it at the beginning of the paragraph. General Ization Talk 20:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
In 2016, Sloan paid $1,000 to enter the Democratic presidential primary in New Hampshire but was not nominated." Can we agree on that wording? Since he was not nominated, I consider his participation in a single debate in that state during his campaign to be extraneous information. General Ization Talk 21:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved -- no need for disambiguating qualifier. JHunterJ ( talk) 17:06, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Sam Sloan (chess player) → Sam Sloan – No need for disambiguation in the title. There are no other articles on WP with "Sam Sloan" in the title, and there is a hatnote at the top of the page that links to the Samuel Sloan dab page. Currently, pages cannot be manually moved to Sam Sloan, as it redirects to the aforementioned dab page. JayJasper ( talk) 17:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Support No other article named Sam Sloan, no need for disambiguation. Canuck My page 89 (talk), 06:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC) Support - Rachitrali ( talk) 07:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
User 101.50.82.135, who appears to have been previously cited for vandalism ( 101.50.82.135 talk) of the page Chitral (princely state), added the following rather odd paragraph:
On January 17, 2018 Sloan was detained by the Superintendent of Police in Chitral Pakistan. He was held by an officer wearing a jacket saying COMMANDO ANTI TERRORIST SQUAD. He is believed to have been detained for attempting to take Family Tree DNA Genealogy DNA tests of Kalash people in Bumburet. He is still being held and his belongings are being held by the FIA, the Federal Investigation Agency, or by the ISI in Islamabad. Sloan contacted the Embassy of the United States, Islamabad but they did not offer any help at all, stating that US Citizens have been advised by the State Department not to travel to Pakistan [3] and thus any who come are on their own.
There are no citations regarding this purported incident (footnote three is a link to the US State Department's travel information page for Pakistan) nor have I been able to find any news reports of it.
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Uh.. I'm just driving by - I'm amazed there are no templates on this page warning about it! Most of the sources seem to be Sloan's own websites! There's pretty much an air of lunacy about it, as with everything he seems to be involved with. I was going to delete everything linking only to his own accounts, but that would be the whole page gone mostly. There's a load of far-fetched stories, which seem to come from Sloan himself and nowhere else. How is that wikipedia-appropriate. Wow. Anyway.. I just looked into one claim, that he was world chinese chess champion in 1988. Which sounds absurd on the face of it. It seems he didnt even play in it, but in the section for foreigners. I was going to delete, but I notice it, like most of the page, says "he claimed on such-an-such an occasion that' etc. Most of the page should be moved into a "Crazy Claims" section or something. For me, the most notable/amazing thing he's been involved in (I'm no expert) is the Truong online messages matter/scandal, where it seems Truong (Susan Polgar's husband and I believe on the board of the USCF then) wrote hundreds/thousands of fake messages pretending to be Sloan (and other people I think. I looked into it a few years ago, because it sounded soo incredibly bizarre.) Truong and Polgar were thrown out of the USCF because of that. I hadnt heard of the Sloan-winning-in-the-supreme-court thing, but the Truong affair seems to me the most notable chess thing he's been involved in. It was super-bizarre, and, from what I can tell, actually happened. Anyway, what a crazy life. Not surprised Fischer apparently felt on his level. Would make a great movie. But as a wikipedia page, wow. I guess no-one cares enough to clean it up. Probably most of it should just be deleted. I read the 2 2005 failed moves to delete. I'm not sure about that, but this page is nowhere near as 'good' as even the worst wikipedia page I'd seen before this one. I'm no wikpedia expert, but "Your own website" really is not a credible source, I think I'm pretty safe in saying. But I must go, am feeling less sane after even 20 minutes on this page. Good luck to who cleans it up, and thanks. (I'm not from the USA, have never met the guy) 110.20.175.168 ( talk) 03:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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I removed the entire section "Political positions" with this edit since it seems overly promotional in nature and not really encyclopedically relevant per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. It looks like this was first boldly added here, but it might be time to take a closer look at this per WP:CONTENTAGE.
While I think it is acceptable to mention Sloan's attempts at obtaining public office, listing his poistion's on various issues in a separate subsection seems a bit excessive. If there was a particular issue Sloan associated with for a particluar campaign which was significantly covered in reliable sources covering the campaign, then that possibly could be mentioned with the relevant content about the camplaign in the "Political campaigns" section, but he sources cited were primary sources which seem problematic to me per WP:BLPSELFPUB. Wikipedia articles about politicians are not venues for the politicians to promote their campaign or their pet issues. If there are secondary sources providing critical commentary of the various positions that Sloan has taken, then that can be included; however, listing issues in a manifesto like manner is not very encyclopedic at all. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:47, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Sloan says that he is now finding more biological children through GEDmatch searches. Should we add them to the infobox?-- Sa57arc ( talk) 23:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
The details about Shamena and her kidnapping that could only be supported by court records or some DVD on Amazon should have never beein this article in the first place per WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPSPS Morbidthoughts ( talk) 02:30, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
I removed most of the Anusha.com citations. I left two that are presented as archives of documents authored by other people where there is no other copy on the web available. I also removed some of the warnings at the top of the article. I think that we can trust Sloan to have honest copies of news articles and legal documents on his personal site.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 20:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Are there any secondary sources for his wives? His first and third wives are mentioned by name in the infobox, but they're not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Even the bit about his second wife seems to rely heavily on WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPSELFPUB types of sources, but at least there's something in the article about her. Unsourced content only mentioned in the infobox probably needs to be removed per WP:BLPSOURCES or incorporated (with supporting citations) somewhere in the body of the article. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Most of the content in this section seems to be only supported by some online news group posts which is not allowed per WP:BLPSPS. The second source cited is basically just for the "law" Sloan is supposed to have broken, but has nothing to do with Sloan or anything about the particular incident. What are needed are secondary reliable sources which discuss the content, not citations to online news groups. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Sa57arc: I'd imagine that many persons who have worked as a NY cab driver probably have a story or two about some well-known person who was a passenger in their cab; however, this is pretty trivial type of content that probably should not be mentioned even if supported by a reliable source. If there is an incident between Sloan and someone well-know that for some reason received coverage in reliable sources, then perhaps something like that could be mentioned.
You sincerely seem to be trying to improve this article though it's not clear why that's suddenly the case. Prior to November 15, you don't seem to have edited this article at all; since then, though, quite of lot of your editing has been focused on this article or content somehow related to Sloan in other articles. I've asked this before, but it's still not clear where you're getting this type of information. Are you reading it somewhere online? Do you have some connection to Sloan and thus know things like this? There's nothing wrong with either per se, but some care needs to be taken with WP:BLP content in particular to make sure it's properly supported by reliable secondary sources and encyclopedically relevant to a general understanding of the subject of the article. Many of the changes you're making seem OK at first glance, but you still keep adding unsourced and somewhat trivial blubs like this.
So, maybe instead of adding more unsourced content, it might be best to start removing already existing unsourced content from the article if a proper secondary source can't be found and cited in support. Articles can also be improved (at least from a Wikipedia standpoint) by trimming them down to only information that can be reliably supported by proper citations. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Is https://www.chessprogramming.org/Sam_Sloan an OK source for a BLP?-- Sa57arc ( talk) 16:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
How about
https://www.game-ai-forum.org/icga-tournaments/person.php?id=443
This shows that SS was involved with the Rex chess software program.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 22:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Let me admit that I did read http://www.anusha.com/awit-rex.htm years ago. Maybe I used that memory with realizing it. I will do better on limiting myself to just what the acceptable sources say.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 14:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Donald Trump has in the lead the following sentence: "He has made unsubstantiated accusations of electoral fraud, ..." in reference to the 2020 presidential election. You guys reverted me with this edit . How are these two notable living people any different as far as the rules go? Ackman reported that Sloan made a claim. I put that in the article with "Sloan claimed..." and I even quoted the Ackman article directly. Should we remove that claim from the Trump article?!? Is the problem that I did not use the word "unsubstantiated"? What gives?-- Sa57arc ( talk) 11:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
What was wrong with the Brady quote? The one where he says that Sloan has an eidetic memory. Is it WP:DUE or something? Sa57arc ( talk) 20:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Some stuff got removed in this edit because of WP:PUFFERY. I am not sure what I feel about that. PUFFERY is just an essay. I admit that Sloan is a self-promoter. Let us talk about this.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 22:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
It seems to me - and of course I could be mistaken - that Sam Sloan is chiefly notable for propagating misleading information about himself and his activities. If so, this makes it extremely difficult to compile an objective article about him.
You can see an example of his efforts if you look for books by Reuben Fine on Amazon. Reuben Fine was one of the top two or three chessplayers in the world in about 1938. He died in 1994, but he was so good that his chess books are still worth reading. But on Amazon, several are listed as "by Reuben Fine and Sam Sloan", or even as "by Sam Sloan and Reuben Fine", as though Sloan were somehow comparable in significance to Reuben Fine. In fact, these books are just reprints of books by Fine, with an "introduction" by Sloan added. Nobody buys them for the introductions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longitude2 ( talk • contribs) 18:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
On his website Sloan claims he invented an opening called the Jalalabad Defense (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 c5) and mentions it being talked about in Chess Life. It would be great if someone could track that down, or find another reliable source so this could be added to this page and potentially that of Jalalabad itself. Crockett623 ( talk) 22:27, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
If you look at the article history almost everything recently has been reverted by Wallyfromdilbert. I'm not going to claim every edit was a masterpiece but this kind of response isn't appropriate. I don't believe Wallyfromdilbert is doing anything in bad faith, but I do feel that some of the reversions have been unnecessary.
I'd direct everyone to the guidelines for reverting. Wikipedia is collaborative and reverting is discouraging to contributors, and usually does not make an article better. If something is blatantly false or misleading then perhaps revert it, otherwise please come to the talk page and discuss your thoughts or opinions on it.
Cooper Moss Hart ( talk) 20:40, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
The article says he became president of Ishi Press in the 1980s. The source is an article inThe New Republic, as stored in a web archive. But, sometimes, even a reliable source can make a typo that isn't caught. Can someone look into this? I think it had to be in 1995 or later. SlowJog ( talk) 00:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
This article was previously proposed to be deleted, however it was kept because it was determined that Sloan arguing a case before the USSC and winning was notable. If this is the reason that the article is determined to be notable then it obviously should be included in the lede, and noting the case in the lede but not the unanimous outcome does not properly present the facts of the matter. User Wallyfromdilbert may personally believe that Sloan's "participation was not particularly relevant to the case outcome", however the fact remains that Sloan won his case 9-0 and this information should be properly stated.
Furthermore, leaping right off the bat to asking whether I have COI after I made a single edit (and a fairly innocuous one at that) to this article that I had never heard of before is very odd behaviour and seems unnecessarily antagonistic. This is an edit I have made in good faith that betters the article, and there is no reason to leave out the outcome of the case that Sam Sloan is notable for. Chukulem ( talk) 19:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Care to weigh in on this User:Alison? Wally has reverted my good faith edit 3 times, and it doesn't seem like he is very interested in addressing the points I raise on why I feel it should be included. Chukulem ( talk) 18:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
AlsoWukai has repeatedly attempted to remove information about the outcome of Sloan's unsuccessful attempts to be nominated for president [1] [2] [3] [4]. They have made several different claims about the article information being "evident" and then falsely claiming that it was already in the article based on their own misreading. They have made no attempt to reword the information or present it in a different way, but instead repeatedly insist on removing it entirely. The information has been in the article for over two years (after a major rewrite of the article to remove unsourced content and other inappropriate content put into it by the article subject). Wikipedia is meant to be written for a global audience and with content that will make sense to people many years from now, and I do not see any reason why taking out helpful content would benefit the article. – wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 20:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Sloan unsuccessfully attempted to gain the nomination for US president in the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primariesto
Sloan ran for US president in the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primariesis appropriate and fairly trivial. As the other editor has explained, it is clear in context that Sloan was not successful in winning the nomination, and it is unnecessary and verbose to state it at the beginning of the paragraph. General Ization Talk 20:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
In 2016, Sloan paid $1,000 to enter the Democratic presidential primary in New Hampshire but was not nominated." Can we agree on that wording? Since he was not nominated, I consider his participation in a single debate in that state during his campaign to be extraneous information. General Ization Talk 21:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)