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It says "The series will premiere on Nickelodeon in the United States sometime in January 2013" in the article. However, the source indicates that production will start in January ("with production set to begin in January in Los Angeles for a 2013 premiere"). Can someone fix this? Thanks. - 98.116.110.176 ( talk) 20:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Examiner.com is in the Wikipedia:Spam blacklist, reason for addition is at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/October 2009#Examiner.com, basically it is not a reliable source and should not ever be used as a reference. Being on the spam blacklist means that adding a citation using a url to this site will not be permitted and the edit attempting to do that rejected. I originally put it in the article using an archived link to the reference but circumventing the black list this way is not a proper use of the archiving tool. See also discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 38#Request to reopen discussion on examiner.com for more background. I removed the cite and info it supported because examiner.com has been determined to not be a reliable source. -- Geraldo Perez ( talk) 15:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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16:33, 28 January 2013 (UTC)Sorry about hat I thoht it was a reliable source. It seemed to be okay. WP Editor 2012 ( talk) 18:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I removed the logo image as I could not find any Nickelodeon official site that hosted it, and I did a fairly extensive search for it. Lots on net but none are hosted by a Nick site. Mostly on blogs and wikias and fan pages. Might have originated from Nick or it might be fan-art. Source of image should originate from a reliable source, preferably Nickelodeon, before declared "official". Geraldo Perez ( talk) 16:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Some material, referenced by the twitter messages from the verified twitter accounts of some show principals, was removed solely because the info was from a twitter account. The accounts used were verified twitter accounts so there is no doubt that the twitter accounts belong to the the individuals named in the account. We have other reliable sources in the article that show these people are insiders of the show. They are providing information "written by people who are directly involved" and "offering an insider's view". Per policy at WP:PRIMARY these are primary reliable sources and can be used for "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts" which is how the sources are being used in this article. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 15:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Are the use of twitter feeds from the people involved in the production appropriate use of primary sources for this article [1]?
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want to add logo of show at this link: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121213073610/icarly/images/3/37/Sam_%26_Cat_logo.jpg
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My apologies for not posting earlier to explain why this article is currently protected. I protected it because edit warring was occurring on the article. A user had posted at the 3RR noticeboard to report another user for edit warring. I decided that the best (that is, least destructive) way to stop the edit warring was to protect the article for a few days while discussion occurred on this page. This is the discussion labeled "Verified twitter as a source". -- Orlady ( talk) 14:35, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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I wanted to start putting some information on this Wikipedia page and I found this new Sam and Cat web site. It is called Sam and Cat Online, and I was wondering if we could use it as a source. It is supposed to be a news site and I think it would be a great source for future edits of ours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slash1478 ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Although I love GloZell, does anyone have an actual source to use? A youtube video posted on April Fool's Day is far from a reliable source. And every other source linked simply copies what she says in the video. 99.162.156.148 ( talk) 15:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
In iParty With Victorious, Sam and Cat met each other, and even both sang with each other, and by the start of Sam & Cat, Sam is a big celebrity, but when she runs into Cat, they dont know each other in person. Now on Cats behalf, how would she forget meeting a big celebrity, and on Sams behalf, she usually doesn't forget people. Does that mean that iParty is no longer canon? Should we put that on the page? -- 72.209.53.244 ( talk) 15:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh yeah, now that I think about it, they didn't really interact in iParty, and SummerPhD I know its an encyclopedia, I never said it wasn't. It was more just a general question, that no, I'm not taking too seriously. So don't go calling me names (especially stupid ones like "Secret Masters of Fandom"). -- 72.209.53.244 ( talk) 19:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Alright PhD it was simple question and you dont need to be so rude about it. -- TotalDramaFan1 ( talk) 04:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
There already exists a list of iCarly characters and a list of Victorious characters.
As Sam and Cat progresses, the list of characters, including minor characters, will invariably grow, and a separate article will have to be created in order to contain them. But, as I see it, there are two ways of going about this.
There are benefits and drawbacks to both of these options. The primary benefits of the first list would be that it would be easy to create, and that it would contain information about the characters relevant to this particular show and, thus, the stage at which these characters are in life. The drawback, however, is that there will be obvious overlap with both of the other lists ( iCarly, Victorious) that already exist.
The benefit of the second option is that we would limit overlapping information. Instead of having two robust, overlapping bios of Sam Puckett here and here, there would just be one robust bio of Puckett here. One drawback, however, is that this option would require a great deal of work in transferring and integrating information from the already-extant lists. A second, and perhaps more important, drawback is that it might make things confusing for readers, who might have difficulty figuring out which shows which characters have appeared in or been referenced in.
One potential solution to the second drawback to the second option is to create a chart, e.g.:
Name | Appeared in x episodes of iCarly | Appeared in x episodes of Victorious | Appeared in x episodes of Sam & Cat | Referenced in x episodes of iCarly | Referenced in x episodes of Victorious | Referenced in x episodes of Sam & Cat | First appeared in |
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Freddie Benson | 96 | 0 | 0 | 96 | 0 | 1 | iCarly ( S1E1, 8 September 2007) |
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Such a list could be placed at the bottom of the list article.
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In the Recurring Cast section please fix the mis-spelled name Gommer to the correct Goomer. Thanks! 99.227.22.71 ( talk) 08:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
It appears there has been a small edit-war between Katydidit and Geraldo Perez concerning the number of episodes that have appeared thus far.
Katydidit maintains that twenty-four episodes have aired on the grounds that “#TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie” was an hour long—the length of two usual episodes. To quote Katydidit, “1-hr special = 2 episodes.”
Geraldo Perez correctly maintains that twenty-three episodes have aired on the grounds that “#TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie” is a single episode. To quote Geraldo Perez, “A single episode of any type IS one episode. One doesn't count twice.”
Geraldo Perez is correct that only twenty-three episodes have aired. A special hour-long episode counts as a single episode. (It would only count as two separate episodes if there were a “ to be continued…” at the end of one and a “ previously on” at the beginning of the next, which is not the case with “#TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie.”) It was objectively a single episode.
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Since this issue is resurfacing at the end of the series, note that Amazon at this listing and iTunes this listing sell ". #TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie" as a single episode as well as Futon Critic still listing it with a single combined production code. TV Guide and Zap2it, however, list it twice on the same date and count it twice. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 15:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
There is a lot of outdated information on this article, especially in the section discussing production and release. Anyone want to take care of this? Mackatackastewart ( talk) 12:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I do hate to start a conversation on the talk page, but this is kind of a challenging slab of information. Earlier, I reverted an edit on the Sam & Cat page regarding information of a season renewal. I reverted this edit on the count that there are no other sources confirming this. Now as I trust Geraldo Perez's revert to my revert, I do think we should wait on posting this 'slab of information' still until other sources decide to confirm this. Because I've looked everywhere, and so far, "Adweek.com" is the only source that confirms this. But as "Adweek.com" is usually reliable anyways, I'll just leave this to anyone else to decide. I did happen to find a blogpost from "NickALive" that mentioned that 'Nickelodeon re-confirmed their Sam & Cat renewal' but blogs from "blogspot.com" usually aren't that reliable. So I suppose have a greater look yourselves.
At this point, maybe you should keep the bit of information on Sam & Cat being renewed. However, I do think you should add more citations as more sources decide to confirm that Sam & Cat had been renewed. -- »»»DavidTwo2012««« 10:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
In the first episode that aired Maree Cheatham got a "Starring" listing in the end credits, not Guest star, Special guest star, co-star or any other type of credit - just "Starring". Normally starring cast are shown in the opening credits but that was not done for Maree Cheatham for this show. She also does not appear in every episode so is recurring as well as is shown in the article itself. How actors are credited is up to the producers of a show, the networks and how good the actor's agent is in negotiating. What goes in the infobox is anybody who ever got a starring credit in order of appearance. We don't second guess the production and network on how they consider cast importance, we go with what they determine. Also, to support how important this actor is, her character is listed as one of the four highlighted at http://www.nick.com/shows/sam-and-cat/characters/nona.html at Nick.com. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 02:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
A number of sites and journalists have reported that the show has been cancelled. Can we get more information on this and possibly add it to the article? The brief acknowledgement in the introduction that "a renewal decision has yet to be made" is much too vague. All signs point to a cancellation. AbsoluteMack ( talk) 08:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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== Ending ==
According to nick videos with the WeStealARockStar promo viewable here http://thefutoncritic.com/showatch/sam-and-cat/listings/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkxKC1nbUA4 it says there are only two more episodes of Sam & Cat. 108.234.108.77 ( talk) 00:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Please discuss the issue at Talk:List of Sam & Cat episodes. - SummerPhD ( talk) 22:55, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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Edit the June 8,2013-present to june 8,2013-july 17,2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.70.186 ( talk) 01:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Not done As the hidden note states "stays as present until after final ep has actually aired". Note - the final episode has not aired.
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Writing to clarify my reversion of content submitted by Jonathanjoseph81, "Sam & Cat was one of Nick's most popular shows, and had very high ratings its entire run." [4] [5][ [6]. 1) the source provided ("DESCRIPTION: (from Nickelodeon's press release, July 2013)") is just reguritating a Nickelodeon press release, which makes it insufficient as a reference for this content. A primary source can't be used to reliably support controversial content about itself. 2) Jonathanjoseph81 writes, "Sam & Cat was one of Nick's most popular shows". "Popular" is subjective, which is one reason why we don't accept primary sources, or the regurgitation of primary sources as sources. 3) The press release was written July 2013, or one year ago. Whatever claims it attempts to make may no longer be applicable, assuming that they ever were. But it doesn't matter, since FutonCritic just reprinted a press release, which would be insufficient as a source. 4) The claim "[Sam & Cat] had very high ratings its entire run" is never stated in the source--it's not even implied. The closest thing to this claim is that they predicted the future in July 2013 when they said, "and all episodes since consistently rank among the top episodes on iTunes." To draw a conclusion not expressly stated in the sources is synthesis. 5) Jonathanjoseph81's edit summary in their third submission of this content states "the article states'Sam & Cat is currently the network's number-one live-action series'which proves it is one of nick's most popular shows..." No it does not. The source "proves" that Nickelodeon said in July 2013 that the series at that time was a "top-rated" series, that it was "the biggest live-action debut in three years", that its premiere episode reached #1 on iTunes (in some category). Too many holes here. User Jonathanjoseph81 may wind up being correct about the facts, I don't presume to know, but the facts as presented with this source are not properly supported. For these reasons, I am again cutting the content. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 07:59, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
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It's been confirmed that Sam & Cat is NOT CANCELLED! It's just going on a long hiatus! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:4180:51C:78BC:7746:8C68:3676 ( talk) 23:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Somebody from Nickeldeon from a unnamed source said that Sam & Cat is not cancelled despite the reports, and is gonna have a season 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:4180:51C:5C32:6616:4344:BC8E ( talk) 05:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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I've come across an article that is, at the moment, being used as an inline citation in List of Sam & Cat episodes; the article says "Instead of shooting and airing 40 full episodes, fans will only get to see 36." My thinking is it's because the #KillerTunaJump episode is being counted as two episodes in this source's tally, and I see a sizeable debate about that earlier in this talk page (I'm another one who believes it should be counted as one episode). As this source is being used to back up a statement about there being 35 episodes (or as it is written where the source is being used in List of Sam & Cat episodes ... "The second 20 episodes started production on September 14, 2013, But was shorted [sic] to just 15 episodes later."), there is obviously an inconsistency because one source says 36, and here we identify the count as 35 episodes. As there could be a number of other sources later that say there have been 36 episodes, it may compromise the verification process on the tally. While I think the article in question is fairly reliable otherwise, something as trivial as the episode count makes the article unusable to back up that kind of information. As for the edit that added that article as well as the statement attempting to back up the episode count, my first instinct is to revert the edit, but seeing the discrepancy in the episode count was worth pointing out here. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 19:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Like the problem with the episode summaries being too long in the list of episodes, the descriptions in the Cast and characters section here are too long and detailed with specifics about what characters do in particular episodes, and are irrelevant in a basic summary about the character. Examples:
Those above examples contain irrelevant information about the characters to be put in their descriptions. However, certain details are acceptable to establish the character's profile, such as:
I have tagged the entire Cast and characters section as being "overly detailed", and may be in violation of WP:IINFO. If anyone can trim these characters' descriptions, please do so.
MPFitz1968 ( talk) 08:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
There was only one season so the first season is the entire show. Happy Squirrel ( talk) 05:28, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Simply put, one-time characters are generally not notable and should not be included in the article (my edit removing the section is here.) Having done so, I had thought about doing the same with the section labeled "Special guest stars", but will await further discussion about that one. Those are definitely more notable even with their one appearance, but is that enough for them to be included? Also, is that section too long? MPFitz1968 ( talk) 02:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi there,
I'd made an edit to change the term "girls" to "young women", but it got reverted ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sam_%26_Cat&oldid=prev&diff=1000123409). Would be interested in opening the conversation and potentially find a third term that would be acceptable to all parties. It's an old show, but I think now in 2021 the term "girls" has too much baggage to be safely used for anyone over puberty. The reverter mentioned "teens", which would be a better choice than either of the others. Jkshapiro ( talk) 03:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
It says his name is Goomer, but in #MommaGoomer, it was revealed at Bots that his real name was Gieux Merr. Can we fix that so it's really Gieux Merr? I mean, he was from Louisiana, and they speak French there! So, it makes sense his name is Gieux Merr, but his nickname is Goomer. 174.23.1.47 ( talk) 23:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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It says "The series will premiere on Nickelodeon in the United States sometime in January 2013" in the article. However, the source indicates that production will start in January ("with production set to begin in January in Los Angeles for a 2013 premiere"). Can someone fix this? Thanks. - 98.116.110.176 ( talk) 20:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Examiner.com is in the Wikipedia:Spam blacklist, reason for addition is at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/October 2009#Examiner.com, basically it is not a reliable source and should not ever be used as a reference. Being on the spam blacklist means that adding a citation using a url to this site will not be permitted and the edit attempting to do that rejected. I originally put it in the article using an archived link to the reference but circumventing the black list this way is not a proper use of the archiving tool. See also discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 38#Request to reopen discussion on examiner.com for more background. I removed the cite and info it supported because examiner.com has been determined to not be a reliable source. -- Geraldo Perez ( talk) 15:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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I removed the logo image as I could not find any Nickelodeon official site that hosted it, and I did a fairly extensive search for it. Lots on net but none are hosted by a Nick site. Mostly on blogs and wikias and fan pages. Might have originated from Nick or it might be fan-art. Source of image should originate from a reliable source, preferably Nickelodeon, before declared "official". Geraldo Perez ( talk) 16:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Some material, referenced by the twitter messages from the verified twitter accounts of some show principals, was removed solely because the info was from a twitter account. The accounts used were verified twitter accounts so there is no doubt that the twitter accounts belong to the the individuals named in the account. We have other reliable sources in the article that show these people are insiders of the show. They are providing information "written by people who are directly involved" and "offering an insider's view". Per policy at WP:PRIMARY these are primary reliable sources and can be used for "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts" which is how the sources are being used in this article. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 15:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Are the use of twitter feeds from the people involved in the production appropriate use of primary sources for this article [1]?
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want to add logo of show at this link: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121213073610/icarly/images/3/37/Sam_%26_Cat_logo.jpg
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My apologies for not posting earlier to explain why this article is currently protected. I protected it because edit warring was occurring on the article. A user had posted at the 3RR noticeboard to report another user for edit warring. I decided that the best (that is, least destructive) way to stop the edit warring was to protect the article for a few days while discussion occurred on this page. This is the discussion labeled "Verified twitter as a source". -- Orlady ( talk) 14:35, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Page protection currently expires 22:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC). If users want to make edits before then, please post your requests on this page; an administrator will look at the request. Whether the page is protected or not, everyone should remember that fan sites and social media aren't generally considered reliable sources for an encyclopedia. -- Orlady ( talk) 14:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to start putting some information on this Wikipedia page and I found this new Sam and Cat web site. It is called Sam and Cat Online, and I was wondering if we could use it as a source. It is supposed to be a news site and I think it would be a great source for future edits of ours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slash1478 ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Although I love GloZell, does anyone have an actual source to use? A youtube video posted on April Fool's Day is far from a reliable source. And every other source linked simply copies what she says in the video. 99.162.156.148 ( talk) 15:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
In iParty With Victorious, Sam and Cat met each other, and even both sang with each other, and by the start of Sam & Cat, Sam is a big celebrity, but when she runs into Cat, they dont know each other in person. Now on Cats behalf, how would she forget meeting a big celebrity, and on Sams behalf, she usually doesn't forget people. Does that mean that iParty is no longer canon? Should we put that on the page? -- 72.209.53.244 ( talk) 15:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh yeah, now that I think about it, they didn't really interact in iParty, and SummerPhD I know its an encyclopedia, I never said it wasn't. It was more just a general question, that no, I'm not taking too seriously. So don't go calling me names (especially stupid ones like "Secret Masters of Fandom"). -- 72.209.53.244 ( talk) 19:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Alright PhD it was simple question and you dont need to be so rude about it. -- TotalDramaFan1 ( talk) 04:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
There already exists a list of iCarly characters and a list of Victorious characters.
As Sam and Cat progresses, the list of characters, including minor characters, will invariably grow, and a separate article will have to be created in order to contain them. But, as I see it, there are two ways of going about this.
There are benefits and drawbacks to both of these options. The primary benefits of the first list would be that it would be easy to create, and that it would contain information about the characters relevant to this particular show and, thus, the stage at which these characters are in life. The drawback, however, is that there will be obvious overlap with both of the other lists ( iCarly, Victorious) that already exist.
The benefit of the second option is that we would limit overlapping information. Instead of having two robust, overlapping bios of Sam Puckett here and here, there would just be one robust bio of Puckett here. One drawback, however, is that this option would require a great deal of work in transferring and integrating information from the already-extant lists. A second, and perhaps more important, drawback is that it might make things confusing for readers, who might have difficulty figuring out which shows which characters have appeared in or been referenced in.
One potential solution to the second drawback to the second option is to create a chart, e.g.:
Name | Appeared in x episodes of iCarly | Appeared in x episodes of Victorious | Appeared in x episodes of Sam & Cat | Referenced in x episodes of iCarly | Referenced in x episodes of Victorious | Referenced in x episodes of Sam & Cat | First appeared in |
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Freddie Benson | 96 | 0 | 0 | 96 | 0 | 1 | iCarly ( S1E1, 8 September 2007) |
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Such a list could be placed at the bottom of the list article.
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In the Recurring Cast section please fix the mis-spelled name Gommer to the correct Goomer. Thanks! 99.227.22.71 ( talk) 08:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
It appears there has been a small edit-war between Katydidit and Geraldo Perez concerning the number of episodes that have appeared thus far.
Katydidit maintains that twenty-four episodes have aired on the grounds that “#TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie” was an hour long—the length of two usual episodes. To quote Katydidit, “1-hr special = 2 episodes.”
Geraldo Perez correctly maintains that twenty-three episodes have aired on the grounds that “#TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie” is a single episode. To quote Geraldo Perez, “A single episode of any type IS one episode. One doesn't count twice.”
Geraldo Perez is correct that only twenty-three episodes have aired. A special hour-long episode counts as a single episode. (It would only count as two separate episodes if there were a “ to be continued…” at the end of one and a “ previously on” at the beginning of the next, which is not the case with “#TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie.”) It was objectively a single episode.
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Since this issue is resurfacing at the end of the series, note that Amazon at this listing and iTunes this listing sell ". #TheKillerTunaJump: #Freddie #Jade #Robbie" as a single episode as well as Futon Critic still listing it with a single combined production code. TV Guide and Zap2it, however, list it twice on the same date and count it twice. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 15:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
There is a lot of outdated information on this article, especially in the section discussing production and release. Anyone want to take care of this? Mackatackastewart ( talk) 12:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I do hate to start a conversation on the talk page, but this is kind of a challenging slab of information. Earlier, I reverted an edit on the Sam & Cat page regarding information of a season renewal. I reverted this edit on the count that there are no other sources confirming this. Now as I trust Geraldo Perez's revert to my revert, I do think we should wait on posting this 'slab of information' still until other sources decide to confirm this. Because I've looked everywhere, and so far, "Adweek.com" is the only source that confirms this. But as "Adweek.com" is usually reliable anyways, I'll just leave this to anyone else to decide. I did happen to find a blogpost from "NickALive" that mentioned that 'Nickelodeon re-confirmed their Sam & Cat renewal' but blogs from "blogspot.com" usually aren't that reliable. So I suppose have a greater look yourselves.
At this point, maybe you should keep the bit of information on Sam & Cat being renewed. However, I do think you should add more citations as more sources decide to confirm that Sam & Cat had been renewed. -- »»»DavidTwo2012««« 10:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
In the first episode that aired Maree Cheatham got a "Starring" listing in the end credits, not Guest star, Special guest star, co-star or any other type of credit - just "Starring". Normally starring cast are shown in the opening credits but that was not done for Maree Cheatham for this show. She also does not appear in every episode so is recurring as well as is shown in the article itself. How actors are credited is up to the producers of a show, the networks and how good the actor's agent is in negotiating. What goes in the infobox is anybody who ever got a starring credit in order of appearance. We don't second guess the production and network on how they consider cast importance, we go with what they determine. Also, to support how important this actor is, her character is listed as one of the four highlighted at http://www.nick.com/shows/sam-and-cat/characters/nona.html at Nick.com. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 02:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
A number of sites and journalists have reported that the show has been cancelled. Can we get more information on this and possibly add it to the article? The brief acknowledgement in the introduction that "a renewal decision has yet to be made" is much too vague. All signs point to a cancellation. AbsoluteMack ( talk) 08:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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== Ending ==
According to nick videos with the WeStealARockStar promo viewable here http://thefutoncritic.com/showatch/sam-and-cat/listings/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkxKC1nbUA4 it says there are only two more episodes of Sam & Cat. 108.234.108.77 ( talk) 00:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Please discuss the issue at Talk:List of Sam & Cat episodes. - SummerPhD ( talk) 22:55, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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Edit the June 8,2013-present to june 8,2013-july 17,2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.70.186 ( talk) 01:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Not done As the hidden note states "stays as present until after final ep has actually aired". Note - the final episode has not aired.
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Writing to clarify my reversion of content submitted by Jonathanjoseph81, "Sam & Cat was one of Nick's most popular shows, and had very high ratings its entire run." [4] [5][ [6]. 1) the source provided ("DESCRIPTION: (from Nickelodeon's press release, July 2013)") is just reguritating a Nickelodeon press release, which makes it insufficient as a reference for this content. A primary source can't be used to reliably support controversial content about itself. 2) Jonathanjoseph81 writes, "Sam & Cat was one of Nick's most popular shows". "Popular" is subjective, which is one reason why we don't accept primary sources, or the regurgitation of primary sources as sources. 3) The press release was written July 2013, or one year ago. Whatever claims it attempts to make may no longer be applicable, assuming that they ever were. But it doesn't matter, since FutonCritic just reprinted a press release, which would be insufficient as a source. 4) The claim "[Sam & Cat] had very high ratings its entire run" is never stated in the source--it's not even implied. The closest thing to this claim is that they predicted the future in July 2013 when they said, "and all episodes since consistently rank among the top episodes on iTunes." To draw a conclusion not expressly stated in the sources is synthesis. 5) Jonathanjoseph81's edit summary in their third submission of this content states "the article states'Sam & Cat is currently the network's number-one live-action series'which proves it is one of nick's most popular shows..." No it does not. The source "proves" that Nickelodeon said in July 2013 that the series at that time was a "top-rated" series, that it was "the biggest live-action debut in three years", that its premiere episode reached #1 on iTunes (in some category). Too many holes here. User Jonathanjoseph81 may wind up being correct about the facts, I don't presume to know, but the facts as presented with this source are not properly supported. For these reasons, I am again cutting the content. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 07:59, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
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It's been confirmed that Sam & Cat is NOT CANCELLED! It's just going on a long hiatus! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:4180:51C:78BC:7746:8C68:3676 ( talk) 23:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Somebody from Nickeldeon from a unnamed source said that Sam & Cat is not cancelled despite the reports, and is gonna have a season 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:4180:51C:5C32:6616:4344:BC8E ( talk) 05:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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I've come across an article that is, at the moment, being used as an inline citation in List of Sam & Cat episodes; the article says "Instead of shooting and airing 40 full episodes, fans will only get to see 36." My thinking is it's because the #KillerTunaJump episode is being counted as two episodes in this source's tally, and I see a sizeable debate about that earlier in this talk page (I'm another one who believes it should be counted as one episode). As this source is being used to back up a statement about there being 35 episodes (or as it is written where the source is being used in List of Sam & Cat episodes ... "The second 20 episodes started production on September 14, 2013, But was shorted [sic] to just 15 episodes later."), there is obviously an inconsistency because one source says 36, and here we identify the count as 35 episodes. As there could be a number of other sources later that say there have been 36 episodes, it may compromise the verification process on the tally. While I think the article in question is fairly reliable otherwise, something as trivial as the episode count makes the article unusable to back up that kind of information. As for the edit that added that article as well as the statement attempting to back up the episode count, my first instinct is to revert the edit, but seeing the discrepancy in the episode count was worth pointing out here. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 19:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Like the problem with the episode summaries being too long in the list of episodes, the descriptions in the Cast and characters section here are too long and detailed with specifics about what characters do in particular episodes, and are irrelevant in a basic summary about the character. Examples:
Those above examples contain irrelevant information about the characters to be put in their descriptions. However, certain details are acceptable to establish the character's profile, such as:
I have tagged the entire Cast and characters section as being "overly detailed", and may be in violation of WP:IINFO. If anyone can trim these characters' descriptions, please do so.
MPFitz1968 ( talk) 08:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
There was only one season so the first season is the entire show. Happy Squirrel ( talk) 05:28, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Simply put, one-time characters are generally not notable and should not be included in the article (my edit removing the section is here.) Having done so, I had thought about doing the same with the section labeled "Special guest stars", but will await further discussion about that one. Those are definitely more notable even with their one appearance, but is that enough for them to be included? Also, is that section too long? MPFitz1968 ( talk) 02:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi there,
I'd made an edit to change the term "girls" to "young women", but it got reverted ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sam_%26_Cat&oldid=prev&diff=1000123409). Would be interested in opening the conversation and potentially find a third term that would be acceptable to all parties. It's an old show, but I think now in 2021 the term "girls" has too much baggage to be safely used for anyone over puberty. The reverter mentioned "teens", which would be a better choice than either of the others. Jkshapiro ( talk) 03:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
It says his name is Goomer, but in #MommaGoomer, it was revealed at Bots that his real name was Gieux Merr. Can we fix that so it's really Gieux Merr? I mean, he was from Louisiana, and they speak French there! So, it makes sense his name is Gieux Merr, but his nickname is Goomer. 174.23.1.47 ( talk) 23:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)