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There's a partially avaliable source on Google Books. -- Jza84 | Talk 01:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
In the lead "world's first free public library" has had a citation tag for quite some time now. However, I just heard on the news that "the country's first free public library" was in Birkenhead. Can anybody enlighten us and rid the lead of these citation tags? -- Jza84 | Talk 13:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
In the lead, Salford is hailed as the "birthplace of the vegetarian movement", but we need a source. Is it something to do with the Vegetarian Society? If so, that page mentions Manchester, but not Salford. :S -- Jza84 | Talk 23:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Just so I don't forget, there are two sources about the urban decay of Salford's terraces at [6] and [7]. :) -- Jza84 | Talk 02:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi mate
Found some quotes - can search for more stuff if needed - pasted one in for you to re-arrange
1601 Oct 03 A tusellment made ye 3rd of October betwixt Robert Tetlow and Mr Dainsford man and James Hilton and no blud shed. [Salford Portmote Court Leet Records. 1597-1669]
1603 Jun 25 A brawle made between Robert Tetlow and Thomas Greene and Tetlow drew blood upon Greene. [Salford Portmote Court Leet Records]
1628 Jan 01
Item the jurie present Richard Brooke, Roger Scotson and Henry Mason all of Manchester, for making an assault upon Thomas Tetlow, William Winfield and John Fletcher, and drawing bloud on them.
[Salford Portmote Court Leet Records. 1597-1669]
-- Chaosdruid ( talk) 18:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
from The Vegetarian Society own website:-
"In 1807, the Reverend William Cowherd, founder of the Bible Christian Church in Salford, famously advanced the principle of abstinence from the consumption of flesh. Two followers of Rev Cowherd, Rev William Metcalfe and Rev James Clark set sail for the United States with 39 other members of the Bible Christian Church in 1817 and it was from this that the American vegetarian movement grew."
-- Chaosdruid ( talk) 19:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
"Angles settled in the region during the Early Middle Ages and gave the locality its name" What was the name they gave it - was it Sealhford? Richerman ( talk) 15:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
"The land use in Salford is overwhelmingly urban, with few areas of green space or rural space; the largest open space is Peel Park, close to the University of Salford." This isn't referenced and I don't think it's right. At 32 Hectares Kersal Dale Country park is surely bigger and then there's a fair bit of land along the Irwell in Lower Kersal which is used for the flood defences and the sports centre. There's also a big piece of open land across the River from Peel Park called "The Meadow" which is bigger than the park, unless the David Lewis recreation ground is included in the park. Richerman ( talk) 16:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I see there has been a difference of opinion over my addition of the old townships in the lead. My rationale for adding it was that the inception of the City of Salford in 1926 was already mentioned and saying what townships it was composed of would make it clear which area we're talking about. This would hopefully stop anyone adding information about the wider City of Salford that exists today. The only problem I have now is that Kersal isn't mentioned in Governance - although that's probably because it was part of Broughton-cum-Kersal. Should that be added to governance? Richerman ( talk) 12:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The borough of Salford, which spanned Broughton, Pendleton and Kersal, was granted city status in 1926
I just reverted my own additions as they were about Kersal and Charlestown which are in the City of Salford. Where are the actual boundaries of Salford itself? If someone could sort that out it would be helpful if it said in the lead which towns it's bounded by on the east and south, so we know exactly where we're talking about. Yours, Confused of Wikipedia - AKA Richerman ( talk) 01:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Charlestown is a part of Pendleton as Kersal is a part of Broughton so they are part of Salford the City proper. The boundries between the old townships of Pendleton and Broughton is where the River Irwell runs through the City, cutting across Littleton Road, Cromwell Road, Fredrick Road etc. There was also a public house on the boundary between Pendleton and Pendlebury on the now major roundabout Irlams o' th' Height that had different closing times in different areas of the pub. This pub was the Pack Horse. Until the pub's demolition in the 1970s there had been several versions the Pack Horse on the same site and it was during a period of nearly two hundred years (late 16th century to 1768) that the Pack Horse came under the stewardship of various members (10 in total) of one local family, the Irlam family. It is widely believed that the name of the immediate area 'the Height' eventually became known as Irlams o' th' Height due to the Irlam family's long association with the Height's Pack Horse pub. As such it comes as no surprise that people would refer to the Height as "Irlam's (Pack Horse) on the Height" or Irlam's on'th Height etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.41.79 ( talk) 21:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
One thing this article lacks is a map of the modern boundary. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I can create one. It'll be at least a fortnight though as I'm busy with work. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 17:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I've been unable to find a source for the following statement:
“ | None of the longstanding members of the group were actually from Salford, although second guitarist Craig Gannon – not shown on the photo – was a Salfordian who joined the group for a brief period.{{Fact|date=March 2008}}" | ” |
Instead of removing it completely, I've copied it here in case someone else knows of or can find a source. Nev1 ( talk) 17:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
“ | In the first chapter of J.M. Barrie's Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens, there is an old man wandering around looking for someone who had been to Salford. He finds another man who spent "from Saturday to Monday" there. | ” |
I've moved another sentece here because it seems pretty trivial to me. Probably needs to be discussed though. Nev1 ( talk) 17:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I want to make some bold but, I believe, effective changes to the Salford article in terms of its title and structure.
I would like Salford to become a disambiguation page, and this article moved to Salford, Greater Manchester. The dab page would look like:
Salford may mean:
- The City of Salford, a metropolitan borough of Greater Manchester, England.
- Salford, Greater Manchester, an urban settlement within the City of Salford to which city status was anciently applied.
- The County Borough of Salford, a former city and local government district amongst the administrative county of Lancashire, England.
- Salford (hundred), also known as Salfordshire, an ancient division of Lancashire, England.
- Salford (UK Parliament constituency), an electoral area represented in the United Kingdom's House of Commons.
Rationale being that Salford (proper) may not have primacy as the main interpretation of Salford - people may think of Salford as the wider city. What do we think? -- Jza84 | Talk 10:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
(<-) I have applied the same to Carlisle. Users welcome to comment at Talk:Carlisle, Cumbria. -- Jza84 | Talk 21:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The "regenerated inner-city areas like Salford Quays" are mentioned in the lead but there is nothing about Salford Quays in the Regeneration section. Also BBC's move to Salford is mentioned in the lead but, again, there is nothing about it in the main body of the text and no mention of Media City in the text, although there is a photo of it. Should there be something about Media City under either Regeneration or Culture? To be honest, I think the culture section is a bit thin anyway. How about something on Media City, another mention of The Lowry and maybe the University's Robert Powell Theatre in that section? Richerman ( talk) 21:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
PoD I've scouted around Kersal and the Cliff and couldn't find any good views of Salford (too many trees and new developments), however, I found one vantage point at Clifton on the hills above Lumns Lane (entered through a gate at the junction of Rake Lane and Lumns Lane) and one on the Council estate at Rainsough - on a grassy knoll (no guns please!) on Chapel Road. I took some quick pics just to show what you can see - you can decide for yourself if you can take something better with your wide angle lens. The best place to get a clear view of Salford would be on the balcony of the tower at the fire station at Irlam o' th' Heights on the A666 if you could get permission to go up there. My suggestion for the pic for the infobox would be Bexley Square with the old Salford Town Hall. What do you think? Richerman ( talk) 23:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Parrot of Doom ( talk) 13:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
This is a WP:GA, but let's improve it a bit first.
For my convenience, I'm leaving the WP:lead until last.
....to be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 15:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
....stopping at this point for the day. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Public services -
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
A Good Article, and it looks to me like another WP:GM future WP:FAC.
It was a pleasure to review this article: a good example of what a GA should be. You now formally have GA-status, I hope the FAC goes well. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The Salford page, and the pages relating to areas within Salford are grossly out-of-date following the new boundary changes. Pendleton does not exist, Weaste & Seedley are in the same area and Irwell Riverside now exists, however none of these are reflected within the pages. Although this is a political change, it now means that all the Wikipedia information is now incorrect for those searching for information regarding Irwell Riverside or Claremont. Please could you research and update this as necessary? 86.178.171.22 ( talk) 13:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
This has probably been discussed in various forms and in various places, so I'll create a discussion here so everyone can see it.
The article's using a mix of {{ cite}} and {{ citation}} templates right now. Which one shall we standardise on? I vote for {{ citation}} but so long as we're consistent I'm not really bothered which we pick. -- Malleus Fatuorum 13:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I think we may be overdoing it with the detailed coverage of the history of the various horse race courses. Is everyone else happy with the coverage? -- Malleus Fatuorum 17:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I think we're about there now, time for GAN? -- Malleus Fatuorum 22:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
INTERESTING...the religion section should be headed CHRISTIANITY......In Salford and the neighbouring parts of Manchester and Bury Metro, we have the SECOND largest Jewish community in the UK. NO MENTION? Are we invisible?! Think not as the community goes way way back..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.231.72 ( talk) 18:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:No mention of the Tram services (not the modern ones). I know there were about 34 million trams around Salford, so it deserves a few sentences. I'll sniff around tomorrow.
Parrot of Doom (
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11:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm off to Peel Library later today. Any requests in particular? I'm actually looking for stuff on Worsley but I can make a detour. I think the religion section needs expanding. The weather right now is rubbish but I'll take the camera. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 10:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, tourism in Salford! [10] Parrot of Doom ( talk) 15:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I like the site but greater manchester was recinded in 1986 after only 9 years,leaving the buses, police, and the fire brigade with the name.it only excists for fools. yours w.gregson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.249.38.89 ( talk) 20:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a cite ref error for "Clark 1973 p. 14" - currently ref No. 47 - I was going to try to fix it but there is nothing listed in the Bibliography to tie it into. It was added in January 2009. I wonder if it might be this book but cannot get any access to it to check. Help? Please? Even pretty please? SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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OK, I came home today, flicked the telly on and watched the news of Hazel Blears resigning her position from her constituency of Salford. Fine you might think - it's just the news reader pronounced it S-A-lford, with an "A", whereas I believe most people, both locally and nationally, would pronounce it S-O-lford. (I find it annoying when some people pronounce "Worsley" as Wors-ley instead of the correct Wor-sley). Spot on there me old son! (Wor-sley).
Perhaps we need an IPA? -- Jza84 | Talk 14:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
To revisit pronunciation, the article at the moment has /ˈsɔːlfərd/. The /r/ in that probably comes from or follows the rules of whoever it is currently rampaging round Wikipedia making it look as if every bit of the English-speaking world is rhotic, which Salford to my knowledge is not. The vowel is more interesting because /ɔː/ strikes me as being how it would be pronounced somewhere further south. I would have thought it was more likely to be /ɒ/, and an eminent phoneticist with Lancashire roots seems to think that too. A source would be nice if anyone can get hold of the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary or similar. This question of how to pronounce the vowel that often appears when a word is spelt "[consonant]al" is relevant to words like Malvern and falcon as well, and seems to be complicated by generation and geographical divides. Any informed comment would be welcome. Old Man of Storr ( talk) 01:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 19:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
– This Salford is by far the primary topic [ [11]]. The settlement in Greater Manchester and its sub topics got 12,111 views [ [12]] (there are more than just those) while the other topics got just 227 [ [13]]. Per WP:DABCONCEPT when the primary meaning has multiple articles, the broadest topic is placed at the base name, which is the settlement. Readers wanting to find more specific information can then find the more specific articles from links in the article. It was pointed out at Talk:Sunderland (disambiguation)#Requested move 29 August 2017 that the boundaries are more vague than Sunderland however DABCONCEPT says "A disambiguation page should not be created just because it is difficult to write an article on a topic that is broad, vague, abstract, or highly conceptual". London isn't a DAB page just because it could refer to the City of London or Greater London, Liverpool isn't a DAB just because it frequently refers to the more specific topic Liverpool F.C.. Wikipedia isn't a DAB page because many people just think the English Wikipedia exists. Eye isn't a DAB page just because it would usually mean the Human eye.
In terms of population the settlement in GM has a population of 103,886 (the settlement) and 251,300 (the district) compared with Salford, Bedfordshire 133 (parish in 1931, no data for settlement) Salford, Ontario (unsure as its only a redirect) Salford, Oxfordshire 356 (parish, no data for settlement) and Salford, Pennsylvania unsure, it is a small place though.
The article on the MB could maybe at some time be given a better title (something than doesn't say "city") but this RM isn't really concerned with that. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 10:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
In this article, why is the pronunciation of 'Salford' different than the pronunciation in the article City of Salford? Which is the correct one, or are both correct? VibeScepter ( talk) ( contributions) 21:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, to inform editors and admin. There seems to be a split debate on the Salford city borough and Salford area. I would like to remind everyone that Salford is stated to be a city. While there might not be a main Salford city area other than neighbouring Swindon. The area as people refer to it, is a city. There is plenty of sources confirming this.
Now these sources point to the borough and Salford itself. There is also on OS Maps this: [6] and [7].
These references provided include an OS Map and book on 1700 prison reform of Lancashire. Salford is mentioned and this decades before it became a city. So Salford itself can be proved to have existed. Would Nthep and Crouch Swale please look into this for the debate. If one occurs thank you.
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There's a partially avaliable source on Google Books. -- Jza84 | Talk 01:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
In the lead "world's first free public library" has had a citation tag for quite some time now. However, I just heard on the news that "the country's first free public library" was in Birkenhead. Can anybody enlighten us and rid the lead of these citation tags? -- Jza84 | Talk 13:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
In the lead, Salford is hailed as the "birthplace of the vegetarian movement", but we need a source. Is it something to do with the Vegetarian Society? If so, that page mentions Manchester, but not Salford. :S -- Jza84 | Talk 23:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Just so I don't forget, there are two sources about the urban decay of Salford's terraces at [6] and [7]. :) -- Jza84 | Talk 02:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi mate
Found some quotes - can search for more stuff if needed - pasted one in for you to re-arrange
1601 Oct 03 A tusellment made ye 3rd of October betwixt Robert Tetlow and Mr Dainsford man and James Hilton and no blud shed. [Salford Portmote Court Leet Records. 1597-1669]
1603 Jun 25 A brawle made between Robert Tetlow and Thomas Greene and Tetlow drew blood upon Greene. [Salford Portmote Court Leet Records]
1628 Jan 01
Item the jurie present Richard Brooke, Roger Scotson and Henry Mason all of Manchester, for making an assault upon Thomas Tetlow, William Winfield and John Fletcher, and drawing bloud on them.
[Salford Portmote Court Leet Records. 1597-1669]
-- Chaosdruid ( talk) 18:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
from The Vegetarian Society own website:-
"In 1807, the Reverend William Cowherd, founder of the Bible Christian Church in Salford, famously advanced the principle of abstinence from the consumption of flesh. Two followers of Rev Cowherd, Rev William Metcalfe and Rev James Clark set sail for the United States with 39 other members of the Bible Christian Church in 1817 and it was from this that the American vegetarian movement grew."
-- Chaosdruid ( talk) 19:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
"Angles settled in the region during the Early Middle Ages and gave the locality its name" What was the name they gave it - was it Sealhford? Richerman ( talk) 15:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
"The land use in Salford is overwhelmingly urban, with few areas of green space or rural space; the largest open space is Peel Park, close to the University of Salford." This isn't referenced and I don't think it's right. At 32 Hectares Kersal Dale Country park is surely bigger and then there's a fair bit of land along the Irwell in Lower Kersal which is used for the flood defences and the sports centre. There's also a big piece of open land across the River from Peel Park called "The Meadow" which is bigger than the park, unless the David Lewis recreation ground is included in the park. Richerman ( talk) 16:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I see there has been a difference of opinion over my addition of the old townships in the lead. My rationale for adding it was that the inception of the City of Salford in 1926 was already mentioned and saying what townships it was composed of would make it clear which area we're talking about. This would hopefully stop anyone adding information about the wider City of Salford that exists today. The only problem I have now is that Kersal isn't mentioned in Governance - although that's probably because it was part of Broughton-cum-Kersal. Should that be added to governance? Richerman ( talk) 12:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The borough of Salford, which spanned Broughton, Pendleton and Kersal, was granted city status in 1926
I just reverted my own additions as they were about Kersal and Charlestown which are in the City of Salford. Where are the actual boundaries of Salford itself? If someone could sort that out it would be helpful if it said in the lead which towns it's bounded by on the east and south, so we know exactly where we're talking about. Yours, Confused of Wikipedia - AKA Richerman ( talk) 01:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Charlestown is a part of Pendleton as Kersal is a part of Broughton so they are part of Salford the City proper. The boundries between the old townships of Pendleton and Broughton is where the River Irwell runs through the City, cutting across Littleton Road, Cromwell Road, Fredrick Road etc. There was also a public house on the boundary between Pendleton and Pendlebury on the now major roundabout Irlams o' th' Height that had different closing times in different areas of the pub. This pub was the Pack Horse. Until the pub's demolition in the 1970s there had been several versions the Pack Horse on the same site and it was during a period of nearly two hundred years (late 16th century to 1768) that the Pack Horse came under the stewardship of various members (10 in total) of one local family, the Irlam family. It is widely believed that the name of the immediate area 'the Height' eventually became known as Irlams o' th' Height due to the Irlam family's long association with the Height's Pack Horse pub. As such it comes as no surprise that people would refer to the Height as "Irlam's (Pack Horse) on the Height" or Irlam's on'th Height etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.41.79 ( talk) 21:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
One thing this article lacks is a map of the modern boundary. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I can create one. It'll be at least a fortnight though as I'm busy with work. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 17:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I've been unable to find a source for the following statement:
“ | None of the longstanding members of the group were actually from Salford, although second guitarist Craig Gannon – not shown on the photo – was a Salfordian who joined the group for a brief period.{{Fact|date=March 2008}}" | ” |
Instead of removing it completely, I've copied it here in case someone else knows of or can find a source. Nev1 ( talk) 17:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
“ | In the first chapter of J.M. Barrie's Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens, there is an old man wandering around looking for someone who had been to Salford. He finds another man who spent "from Saturday to Monday" there. | ” |
I've moved another sentece here because it seems pretty trivial to me. Probably needs to be discussed though. Nev1 ( talk) 17:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I want to make some bold but, I believe, effective changes to the Salford article in terms of its title and structure.
I would like Salford to become a disambiguation page, and this article moved to Salford, Greater Manchester. The dab page would look like:
Salford may mean:
- The City of Salford, a metropolitan borough of Greater Manchester, England.
- Salford, Greater Manchester, an urban settlement within the City of Salford to which city status was anciently applied.
- The County Borough of Salford, a former city and local government district amongst the administrative county of Lancashire, England.
- Salford (hundred), also known as Salfordshire, an ancient division of Lancashire, England.
- Salford (UK Parliament constituency), an electoral area represented in the United Kingdom's House of Commons.
Rationale being that Salford (proper) may not have primacy as the main interpretation of Salford - people may think of Salford as the wider city. What do we think? -- Jza84 | Talk 10:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
(<-) I have applied the same to Carlisle. Users welcome to comment at Talk:Carlisle, Cumbria. -- Jza84 | Talk 21:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The "regenerated inner-city areas like Salford Quays" are mentioned in the lead but there is nothing about Salford Quays in the Regeneration section. Also BBC's move to Salford is mentioned in the lead but, again, there is nothing about it in the main body of the text and no mention of Media City in the text, although there is a photo of it. Should there be something about Media City under either Regeneration or Culture? To be honest, I think the culture section is a bit thin anyway. How about something on Media City, another mention of The Lowry and maybe the University's Robert Powell Theatre in that section? Richerman ( talk) 21:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
PoD I've scouted around Kersal and the Cliff and couldn't find any good views of Salford (too many trees and new developments), however, I found one vantage point at Clifton on the hills above Lumns Lane (entered through a gate at the junction of Rake Lane and Lumns Lane) and one on the Council estate at Rainsough - on a grassy knoll (no guns please!) on Chapel Road. I took some quick pics just to show what you can see - you can decide for yourself if you can take something better with your wide angle lens. The best place to get a clear view of Salford would be on the balcony of the tower at the fire station at Irlam o' th' Heights on the A666 if you could get permission to go up there. My suggestion for the pic for the infobox would be Bexley Square with the old Salford Town Hall. What do you think? Richerman ( talk) 23:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Parrot of Doom ( talk) 13:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
This is a WP:GA, but let's improve it a bit first.
For my convenience, I'm leaving the WP:lead until last.
....to be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 15:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
....stopping at this point for the day. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Public services -
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
A Good Article, and it looks to me like another WP:GM future WP:FAC.
It was a pleasure to review this article: a good example of what a GA should be. You now formally have GA-status, I hope the FAC goes well. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The Salford page, and the pages relating to areas within Salford are grossly out-of-date following the new boundary changes. Pendleton does not exist, Weaste & Seedley are in the same area and Irwell Riverside now exists, however none of these are reflected within the pages. Although this is a political change, it now means that all the Wikipedia information is now incorrect for those searching for information regarding Irwell Riverside or Claremont. Please could you research and update this as necessary? 86.178.171.22 ( talk) 13:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
This has probably been discussed in various forms and in various places, so I'll create a discussion here so everyone can see it.
The article's using a mix of {{ cite}} and {{ citation}} templates right now. Which one shall we standardise on? I vote for {{ citation}} but so long as we're consistent I'm not really bothered which we pick. -- Malleus Fatuorum 13:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I think we may be overdoing it with the detailed coverage of the history of the various horse race courses. Is everyone else happy with the coverage? -- Malleus Fatuorum 17:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I think we're about there now, time for GAN? -- Malleus Fatuorum 22:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
INTERESTING...the religion section should be headed CHRISTIANITY......In Salford and the neighbouring parts of Manchester and Bury Metro, we have the SECOND largest Jewish community in the UK. NO MENTION? Are we invisible?! Think not as the community goes way way back..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.231.72 ( talk) 18:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:No mention of the Tram services (not the modern ones). I know there were about 34 million trams around Salford, so it deserves a few sentences. I'll sniff around tomorrow.
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I'm off to Peel Library later today. Any requests in particular? I'm actually looking for stuff on Worsley but I can make a detour. I think the religion section needs expanding. The weather right now is rubbish but I'll take the camera. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 10:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, tourism in Salford! [10] Parrot of Doom ( talk) 15:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I like the site but greater manchester was recinded in 1986 after only 9 years,leaving the buses, police, and the fire brigade with the name.it only excists for fools. yours w.gregson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.249.38.89 ( talk) 20:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a cite ref error for "Clark 1973 p. 14" - currently ref No. 47 - I was going to try to fix it but there is nothing listed in the Bibliography to tie it into. It was added in January 2009. I wonder if it might be this book but cannot get any access to it to check. Help? Please? Even pretty please? SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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Surely this page is only meant to cover Salford in its true and original form, i.e., the mostly Chapel Street area postcode M3. This is where Salford lay for centuries within the loop of the River Irwell just past the Crescent (A6 road). It is this area to which this article should be focused (M3). This is true 100% Salford. This was 'Salford' until the middle of the 19th century (1844) when Broughton and Pendleton were added to form the County Borough (city from 1926). This 'version' of Salford lasted until 1974 when the boundaries were expanded to include Eccles (MB), Swinton & Pendlebury (MB), Worsley (UD) and Irlam (UD). E.g. Pendleton nowadays forms part of the current City of Salford whereas before 1974 it came under the County Borough of Salford and before that as a separate township governed from Pendleton Town Hall just across the top of Broughton Road from Pendleton Parish Church (St Thomas's). In much the same way Broughton had a similar pathway into becoming part of what became Salford (1844-1974/since 1974). It too had its own town hall like Pendleton. Think of it like this. The celebrated Salford actor Albert Finney's place of birth should not be given under the title of ' Salford, Greater Manchester' but rather as ' Pendleton, Salford', (Lancashire). He was actually born in Charlestown which is part of Pendleton (M6) which is on the opposite side of the Irwell to Broughton (M7). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.159.128.106 ( talk) 09:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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OK, I came home today, flicked the telly on and watched the news of Hazel Blears resigning her position from her constituency of Salford. Fine you might think - it's just the news reader pronounced it S-A-lford, with an "A", whereas I believe most people, both locally and nationally, would pronounce it S-O-lford. (I find it annoying when some people pronounce "Worsley" as Wors-ley instead of the correct Wor-sley). Spot on there me old son! (Wor-sley).
Perhaps we need an IPA? -- Jza84 | Talk 14:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
To revisit pronunciation, the article at the moment has /ˈsɔːlfərd/. The /r/ in that probably comes from or follows the rules of whoever it is currently rampaging round Wikipedia making it look as if every bit of the English-speaking world is rhotic, which Salford to my knowledge is not. The vowel is more interesting because /ɔː/ strikes me as being how it would be pronounced somewhere further south. I would have thought it was more likely to be /ɒ/, and an eminent phoneticist with Lancashire roots seems to think that too. A source would be nice if anyone can get hold of the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary or similar. This question of how to pronounce the vowel that often appears when a word is spelt "[consonant]al" is relevant to words like Malvern and falcon as well, and seems to be complicated by generation and geographical divides. Any informed comment would be welcome. Old Man of Storr ( talk) 01:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 19:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
– This Salford is by far the primary topic [ [11]]. The settlement in Greater Manchester and its sub topics got 12,111 views [ [12]] (there are more than just those) while the other topics got just 227 [ [13]]. Per WP:DABCONCEPT when the primary meaning has multiple articles, the broadest topic is placed at the base name, which is the settlement. Readers wanting to find more specific information can then find the more specific articles from links in the article. It was pointed out at Talk:Sunderland (disambiguation)#Requested move 29 August 2017 that the boundaries are more vague than Sunderland however DABCONCEPT says "A disambiguation page should not be created just because it is difficult to write an article on a topic that is broad, vague, abstract, or highly conceptual". London isn't a DAB page just because it could refer to the City of London or Greater London, Liverpool isn't a DAB just because it frequently refers to the more specific topic Liverpool F.C.. Wikipedia isn't a DAB page because many people just think the English Wikipedia exists. Eye isn't a DAB page just because it would usually mean the Human eye.
In terms of population the settlement in GM has a population of 103,886 (the settlement) and 251,300 (the district) compared with Salford, Bedfordshire 133 (parish in 1931, no data for settlement) Salford, Ontario (unsure as its only a redirect) Salford, Oxfordshire 356 (parish, no data for settlement) and Salford, Pennsylvania unsure, it is a small place though.
The article on the MB could maybe at some time be given a better title (something than doesn't say "city") but this RM isn't really concerned with that. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 10:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
In this article, why is the pronunciation of 'Salford' different than the pronunciation in the article City of Salford? Which is the correct one, or are both correct? VibeScepter ( talk) ( contributions) 21:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, to inform editors and admin. There seems to be a split debate on the Salford city borough and Salford area. I would like to remind everyone that Salford is stated to be a city. While there might not be a main Salford city area other than neighbouring Swindon. The area as people refer to it, is a city. There is plenty of sources confirming this.
Now these sources point to the borough and Salford itself. There is also on OS Maps this: [6] and [7].
These references provided include an OS Map and book on 1700 prison reform of Lancashire. Salford is mentioned and this decades before it became a city. So Salford itself can be proved to have existed. Would Nthep and Crouch Swale please look into this for the debate. If one occurs thank you.
Signed: JoshuaIsTheFalco, 22:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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