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I just noticed that there are huge sections of direct quotes from a book in this article. Those quotes should be condensed, because Wikipedia isn't just supposed to copy and paste big chunks of text from other sources. The two very long quotes may even be a copyright violation, but I'm not certain. Spylab 11:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
See WP:QUOTE for Wikipedia's guidelines on using quotes. (Also note that 4.249.9.127 ( talk · contribs) is a suspected sock puppet of a permanently and repeatedly-banned individual). Spylab 23:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Quotes fixed. Mtsmallwood ( talk) 16:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
This user Spylab does not read this article nor references given in this article even though he was warned about it several times. He requested reference for numbers of victims given in this article, even though the reference is given along with the quote (Dr Hinko Salz's testimony, Adolf Eichmann Trial, Tel Aviv 1961)
The second problem with his 'correction' is insertion of even though between these two sentences
As of 2006 Sajmište is still not a memorial center. On February 11, 1993, the European parliament adopted the Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments.
which turns both statements into a false claim. The document (Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments) is just a set of recommendations - not obligatory to anyone, nor it mentione Sajmiste at all. But Spylab's 'correction' suggest that there are some obligations not fullfilled by someone. -- 4.249.6.37 02:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I paraphrased the quotes, broke up the text into smaller sections, added some links in the text, added some categories, added The Holocaust navbox, added categories, and did some other clean up, such as bringing material from the notes into the body of the article. Mtsmallwood ( talk) 16:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I did not find it rational mentioning that Sajmiste was on the Belgrade outsikirts - not a singe reference found it rational. Moreover - it introduces ambiguity (occupied territory of Serbia vs. Independent State of Croatia)
Security Police is definitely not German Sichersheit Polizei - no need for this false linkage.
The Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments document has jurisdiction only over EU i.e. over her member states and it is not written to cover all concentration camps in Europe. So, this document is mentioned here out of the article context.
Linkages like As of 2006 are meaningless due to the fact that the text under such a link does not have any information related to this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.249.75.44 ( talk) 01:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I completely removed
On February 11, 1993, the European parliament adopted the Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments. [1] However, it seems this does not pertain to
for seeing that reference as given leads nowhere. If someone can find online information about this resolution - it's ok with me to put the removed text back.
-- Standshown ( talk) 04:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
References
This Van is clearly a Magirus. Nothing is known about gas vans from "Magirus". It should be removed because gas vans are known from the companies Saurer, [[Diamond T], Opel and Renault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Maierhofer ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
see Link: deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans -- Holgerjan ( talk) 14:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't normally make an issue of it, but the mentioning of Independent State of Croatia in the lead section has a history in this article: there is an attempt at "whitewashing" or sidetracking the role of Serbian authorities concerning the camp. Yes, technically, it was located in NDH territory, but, terrible as they were, NDH puppet government had no role with this camp whatsoever. The camp was operated by Nazi, with assistance of Nedić's people, and it was meant exclusively for citizens of Serbia. Independent State of Croatia has nothing to do with it, and its mentioning in the lead, in my opinion, violates WP:UNDUE as an "attention diversion". No such user ( talk) 11:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
This Van is clearly a Magirus. Nothing is known about gas vans from "Magirus". It should be removed because gas vans are known from the companies Saurer, [[Diamond T], Opel and Renault.
Das Foto zeigt keinen Gaswagen. Es handelt sich bei diesem Fahrzeug offensichtlich um einen Magirus-Deutz. Nach allen Veröffentlichungen wurden nur Wagen der vier Firmen Diamond, Renault, Sauer und Opel umgebaut.
--- Vergleiche dazu folgenden Link:
http: //www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans_de.html deathcamps
Der Fall des Vernichtungslagers Chelmno wurde durch die "Hauptkommission für die Untersuchung von Verbrechen der Deutschen in Polen" ab Mai 1945 untersucht (dies war der Name der Kommission zu Beginn ihrer Existenz). Die Kommission erhielt die Information, dass in der ehemaligen Ostrowski-Fabrik in der Stadt Kolo (ca. 12 km von Chelmno entfernt) ein Gaswagen steht, der laut Zeugenaussagen im Vernichtungslager Chelmno eingesetzt worden war. Der Wagen wurde gefunden, fotografiert und untersucht. Die damals aufgenommenen Fotos sind verwahrt im Archiv der Hauptkommission in Warschau (Signaturen: 47398, 47396, 47397, 47399, am besten ist Nr. 47398). Die Titel dieser Fotografien lauten auch heute noch: "ein Wagen zum Töten von Menschen durch Auspuffgase, in Chelmno". Eines dieser Fotos wurde abgebildet in Flemings Buch "Hitler and the Final Solution", mit der Information, dass es das Foto eines "Gaswagens" sei, der in Chelmno benutzt worden war. -- 87.142.146.158 ( talk) 17:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC) (de.Wikipedia Benutzer:Holgerjan)
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I have given it one pass through, and will give it another later tonight, as well as running the other checks (my dashes script needs fixing for some reason). Chaosdruid ( talk) 22:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I also have a problem with the refs and notes sections. They are all refs, including the notes section. A notes section is for [NB-1] etc, and I would rename them:
I haven't been able to find a single source other than Kurapovna which states that Drljević "administered" the camp. Nor does Kurapovna provide a source to back up this assertion. Probably best to remove it. 23 editor ( talk) 18:43, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
in late 1943, the new German ambassador to Serbia proposed that the camp be moved deeper into NDH territory
Serbia was under military occupation as Gebiet des Militärbefehlshabers in Serbien. It was not recognized by Germany as an independent nation - so the Germany didn't have any diplomatic relationships with the puppet government in Serbia. I would like to check that at Christopher Browning's book before correcting it.
Serbs send there jews, and this concentration camp was conducted by Serbs (Nedić). Beograd is a capital city of Serbia, but then it was just formally NDH.
This poorly written statement is simply not true. Belgrade was not part of the Independent State of Croatia during the WW2. The German military authorities in Serbia sent Jews to this extermination camp. Please check other articles, such as The Holocaust in Serbia, Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia, Government of National Salvation, and Staro Sajmište. I will correct this. -- N Jordan ( talk) 16:50, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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I just noticed that there are huge sections of direct quotes from a book in this article. Those quotes should be condensed, because Wikipedia isn't just supposed to copy and paste big chunks of text from other sources. The two very long quotes may even be a copyright violation, but I'm not certain. Spylab 11:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
See WP:QUOTE for Wikipedia's guidelines on using quotes. (Also note that 4.249.9.127 ( talk · contribs) is a suspected sock puppet of a permanently and repeatedly-banned individual). Spylab 23:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Quotes fixed. Mtsmallwood ( talk) 16:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
This user Spylab does not read this article nor references given in this article even though he was warned about it several times. He requested reference for numbers of victims given in this article, even though the reference is given along with the quote (Dr Hinko Salz's testimony, Adolf Eichmann Trial, Tel Aviv 1961)
The second problem with his 'correction' is insertion of even though between these two sentences
As of 2006 Sajmište is still not a memorial center. On February 11, 1993, the European parliament adopted the Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments.
which turns both statements into a false claim. The document (Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments) is just a set of recommendations - not obligatory to anyone, nor it mentione Sajmiste at all. But Spylab's 'correction' suggest that there are some obligations not fullfilled by someone. -- 4.249.6.37 02:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I paraphrased the quotes, broke up the text into smaller sections, added some links in the text, added some categories, added The Holocaust navbox, added categories, and did some other clean up, such as bringing material from the notes into the body of the article. Mtsmallwood ( talk) 16:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I did not find it rational mentioning that Sajmiste was on the Belgrade outsikirts - not a singe reference found it rational. Moreover - it introduces ambiguity (occupied territory of Serbia vs. Independent State of Croatia)
Security Police is definitely not German Sichersheit Polizei - no need for this false linkage.
The Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments document has jurisdiction only over EU i.e. over her member states and it is not written to cover all concentration camps in Europe. So, this document is mentioned here out of the article context.
Linkages like As of 2006 are meaningless due to the fact that the text under such a link does not have any information related to this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.249.75.44 ( talk) 01:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I completely removed
On February 11, 1993, the European parliament adopted the Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments. [1] However, it seems this does not pertain to
for seeing that reference as given leads nowhere. If someone can find online information about this resolution - it's ok with me to put the removed text back.
-- Standshown ( talk) 04:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
References
This Van is clearly a Magirus. Nothing is known about gas vans from "Magirus". It should be removed because gas vans are known from the companies Saurer, [[Diamond T], Opel and Renault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Maierhofer ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
see Link: deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans -- Holgerjan ( talk) 14:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't normally make an issue of it, but the mentioning of Independent State of Croatia in the lead section has a history in this article: there is an attempt at "whitewashing" or sidetracking the role of Serbian authorities concerning the camp. Yes, technically, it was located in NDH territory, but, terrible as they were, NDH puppet government had no role with this camp whatsoever. The camp was operated by Nazi, with assistance of Nedić's people, and it was meant exclusively for citizens of Serbia. Independent State of Croatia has nothing to do with it, and its mentioning in the lead, in my opinion, violates WP:UNDUE as an "attention diversion". No such user ( talk) 11:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
This Van is clearly a Magirus. Nothing is known about gas vans from "Magirus". It should be removed because gas vans are known from the companies Saurer, [[Diamond T], Opel and Renault.
Das Foto zeigt keinen Gaswagen. Es handelt sich bei diesem Fahrzeug offensichtlich um einen Magirus-Deutz. Nach allen Veröffentlichungen wurden nur Wagen der vier Firmen Diamond, Renault, Sauer und Opel umgebaut.
--- Vergleiche dazu folgenden Link:
http: //www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans_de.html deathcamps
Der Fall des Vernichtungslagers Chelmno wurde durch die "Hauptkommission für die Untersuchung von Verbrechen der Deutschen in Polen" ab Mai 1945 untersucht (dies war der Name der Kommission zu Beginn ihrer Existenz). Die Kommission erhielt die Information, dass in der ehemaligen Ostrowski-Fabrik in der Stadt Kolo (ca. 12 km von Chelmno entfernt) ein Gaswagen steht, der laut Zeugenaussagen im Vernichtungslager Chelmno eingesetzt worden war. Der Wagen wurde gefunden, fotografiert und untersucht. Die damals aufgenommenen Fotos sind verwahrt im Archiv der Hauptkommission in Warschau (Signaturen: 47398, 47396, 47397, 47399, am besten ist Nr. 47398). Die Titel dieser Fotografien lauten auch heute noch: "ein Wagen zum Töten von Menschen durch Auspuffgase, in Chelmno". Eines dieser Fotos wurde abgebildet in Flemings Buch "Hitler and the Final Solution", mit der Information, dass es das Foto eines "Gaswagens" sei, der in Chelmno benutzt worden war. -- 87.142.146.158 ( talk) 17:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC) (de.Wikipedia Benutzer:Holgerjan)
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Hi
Checks:
I have given it one pass through, and will give it another later tonight, as well as running the other checks (my dashes script needs fixing for some reason). Chaosdruid ( talk) 22:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I also have a problem with the refs and notes sections. They are all refs, including the notes section. A notes section is for [NB-1] etc, and I would rename them:
I haven't been able to find a single source other than Kurapovna which states that Drljević "administered" the camp. Nor does Kurapovna provide a source to back up this assertion. Probably best to remove it. 23 editor ( talk) 18:43, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
in late 1943, the new German ambassador to Serbia proposed that the camp be moved deeper into NDH territory
Serbia was under military occupation as Gebiet des Militärbefehlshabers in Serbien. It was not recognized by Germany as an independent nation - so the Germany didn't have any diplomatic relationships with the puppet government in Serbia. I would like to check that at Christopher Browning's book before correcting it.
Serbs send there jews, and this concentration camp was conducted by Serbs (Nedić). Beograd is a capital city of Serbia, but then it was just formally NDH.
This poorly written statement is simply not true. Belgrade was not part of the Independent State of Croatia during the WW2. The German military authorities in Serbia sent Jews to this extermination camp. Please check other articles, such as The Holocaust in Serbia, Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia, Government of National Salvation, and Staro Sajmište. I will correct this. -- N Jordan ( talk) 16:50, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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