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The same picture is used twice on this page, one merely a retouched version of the other. Surely someone must have other example pictures of this delicious food. - Rikoshi ( talk) 00:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Much of this page has been translated from the German version of the Sacher Torte page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HicTamenVivit ( talk • contribs) 02:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
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Though minor, I changed the wording in the introduction where Bolzano is mentioned to "Bolzano/Bozen", because South Tyrol, as an autonomous region in Italy with German and Italian as official languages, uses this form in publication for city names. I will try to change that throughout the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mweinshel ( talk • contribs) 11:42, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The original image was the image nr 1, and it was in the article from 12 July 2005 - until June 2011. The same editor who took picture nr 2 removed it June 2011 and repaced it with Nr 2, own work. Now the image was retouched, so it is back again. The second image (Nr 2) shows a picture with a rather lot of whipped cream, slightly messy and the slice of Sachertorte, in a way that the cakes layers are not seen properly, and the cake is almost hidden in between the napkin and the whipped cream. The first image is much better, showing clearly the two layers of chocolate sponge cake with a thin layer of apricot jam in the middle, and the dark chocolate icing on the top with the chocolate stamp, and also shows a better display and looks more luxurious. Also the visual balance is much better in picture nr 1.
Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. The same Editor who took the picture nr 2 was the same, who also initiated the change, and that would be lobbying for own work and own picture, even if I do understand the creators feelings for liking their own pictures, it’s not a good enough reason. But I would be happy to use any picture from this editor, if I am presented with a picture same class as nr 1!! Until then, we leave picture nr 1 in the article. Or, as a compromise, we can use both... But nr 1 has to be in the lead. Added the other one lower down. Hafspajen ( talk) 13:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I like the second image better. Gune ( talk) 05:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
The 2nd image is better but as long as neither is removed I don't know if it really matters. I will personally undo any edits that remove either image. Gune ( talk) 23:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I've removed the "The Original recipe obtained through the courtesy of Mrs. Anna Sacher". However good the source may be, Wikipedia is not a recipe book. AndrewWTaylor ( talk) 12:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
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How important is it to the Sachertorte article that Franz Sacher was Jewish? In what sense can we say that the cake was "of Austrian Jewish origin"? Does it have similarities to specifically Jewish Austrian cuisine? Are there any third-party reliable sources that identify it as Austrian Jewish cuisine? The Oxford Companion to Food (OCF), for example, characterizes it as simply "Austrian". Without some solid source, this is just original research. Random blog posts are not RS. Even the cited article in The Forward which mentions that Sacher was Jewish doesn't say that Sachertorte itself is "of Austrian Jewish origin".
The simple fact that its creator was Jewish isn't enough. It would be wrong to describe Google as a "a search engine of Jewish-American origin", 2001: A Space Odyssey as a "a movie of Jewish-American origin", or the theory of relativity as "physics of German-Jewish origin" because their creators were Jewish. It is no less wrong to describe Sachertorte as a "torte of Austrian Jewish origin" without good evidence. It is also inappropriate to mention Sacher's religion/ethnicity in the lead to this article, just as it would be in the other examples I've given.
Is there any evidence that it was widely popular "among those in the Austrian Jewish community" in particular? Is there any evidence that is is more popular in the Austrian Jewish diaspora than among other Austrian emigrants? The OCF simply says that it is popular in "German-speaking countries". The blog post supporting the claim that Sachertorte was a favorite of Freud's also considers Sachertorte "a sign of successful Jewish assimilation par excellence", which argues against its being seen as "Austrian Jewish". But it's a blog post, so can't really be taken as RS either way. -- Macrakis ( talk) 19:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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The same picture is used twice on this page, one merely a retouched version of the other. Surely someone must have other example pictures of this delicious food. - Rikoshi ( talk) 00:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Much of this page has been translated from the German version of the Sacher Torte page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HicTamenVivit ( talk • contribs) 02:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
This article contains a translation of Sachertorte from de.wikipedia. |
Though minor, I changed the wording in the introduction where Bolzano is mentioned to "Bolzano/Bozen", because South Tyrol, as an autonomous region in Italy with German and Italian as official languages, uses this form in publication for city names. I will try to change that throughout the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mweinshel ( talk • contribs) 11:42, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The original image was the image nr 1, and it was in the article from 12 July 2005 - until June 2011. The same editor who took picture nr 2 removed it June 2011 and repaced it with Nr 2, own work. Now the image was retouched, so it is back again. The second image (Nr 2) shows a picture with a rather lot of whipped cream, slightly messy and the slice of Sachertorte, in a way that the cakes layers are not seen properly, and the cake is almost hidden in between the napkin and the whipped cream. The first image is much better, showing clearly the two layers of chocolate sponge cake with a thin layer of apricot jam in the middle, and the dark chocolate icing on the top with the chocolate stamp, and also shows a better display and looks more luxurious. Also the visual balance is much better in picture nr 1.
Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. The same Editor who took the picture nr 2 was the same, who also initiated the change, and that would be lobbying for own work and own picture, even if I do understand the creators feelings for liking their own pictures, it’s not a good enough reason. But I would be happy to use any picture from this editor, if I am presented with a picture same class as nr 1!! Until then, we leave picture nr 1 in the article. Or, as a compromise, we can use both... But nr 1 has to be in the lead. Added the other one lower down. Hafspajen ( talk) 13:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I like the second image better. Gune ( talk) 05:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
The 2nd image is better but as long as neither is removed I don't know if it really matters. I will personally undo any edits that remove either image. Gune ( talk) 23:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I've removed the "The Original recipe obtained through the courtesy of Mrs. Anna Sacher". However good the source may be, Wikipedia is not a recipe book. AndrewWTaylor ( talk) 12:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
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How important is it to the Sachertorte article that Franz Sacher was Jewish? In what sense can we say that the cake was "of Austrian Jewish origin"? Does it have similarities to specifically Jewish Austrian cuisine? Are there any third-party reliable sources that identify it as Austrian Jewish cuisine? The Oxford Companion to Food (OCF), for example, characterizes it as simply "Austrian". Without some solid source, this is just original research. Random blog posts are not RS. Even the cited article in The Forward which mentions that Sacher was Jewish doesn't say that Sachertorte itself is "of Austrian Jewish origin".
The simple fact that its creator was Jewish isn't enough. It would be wrong to describe Google as a "a search engine of Jewish-American origin", 2001: A Space Odyssey as a "a movie of Jewish-American origin", or the theory of relativity as "physics of German-Jewish origin" because their creators were Jewish. It is no less wrong to describe Sachertorte as a "torte of Austrian Jewish origin" without good evidence. It is also inappropriate to mention Sacher's religion/ethnicity in the lead to this article, just as it would be in the other examples I've given.
Is there any evidence that it was widely popular "among those in the Austrian Jewish community" in particular? Is there any evidence that is is more popular in the Austrian Jewish diaspora than among other Austrian emigrants? The OCF simply says that it is popular in "German-speaking countries". The blog post supporting the claim that Sachertorte was a favorite of Freud's also considers Sachertorte "a sign of successful Jewish assimilation par excellence", which argues against its being seen as "Austrian Jewish". But it's a blog post, so can't really be taken as RS either way. -- Macrakis ( talk) 19:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)