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A fact from SS Pere Marquette 18 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 December 2020 ( check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the wreck of the train ferry Pere Marquette 18 (pictured) was discovered in Lake Michigan 109 years after she sank?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah ( talk) 00:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC) reply

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Pere Marquette 18 under tow in the 1900s

... that the wreck of the train ferry Pere Marquette 18 (pictured) was discovered in Lake Michigan 109 years after she sank? Minnesota shipwreck hunters locate long-sought Lake Michigan wreck
- ALT1:~~... that the train ferry Pere Marquette 18 sank on Lake Michigan on September 9, 1910?~~ Pere Marquette 18

Comment: As I have not yet created 5 DYKs, there is no need for me to do a QPQ.

Created/expanded by GreatLakesShips ( talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 13 November 2020 (UTC). reply

Detailed account, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I suggest that you fix a few things in the article:

no references are needed for the lead, as long as the facts a referenced below (or for a quote).
I always say I don't need more than 3 refs for one fact, - perhaps reduce at least to five.
"sandwiching" of text between image and infobox should be avoided, - consider moving the first pic.
Short paragraphs should be avoided, - please combine what you can. The whistle is not worth an extra paragraph ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC) reply

You could still nominate an image! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the pic, I formatted a bit, and in such a case it needs a specific "pictured" in the hook. The image is licensed, shows well and is a good illustration. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Hi, I came by to promote this, but tagged the article for an excessive amount of citations. There is no reason for up to 10 cites on one sentence. Per WP:LEAD, non-controversial facts do not need to be cited at all in the lead if they are cited in the body of the article. Please try to do something about removing all these cites. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 22:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Yoninah: I have removed a lot of the unnecessary citations. I have cut it down to a maximum of five citations per sentence in some place where it is necessary to have several (e.g. differing sources that are mentioned in the article). GreatLakesShips ( talk) 23:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ GreatLakesShips: Thank you. What about Stephen F. Sczepanek? Yoninah ( talk) 00:01, 3 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Yoninah: Sorry, I didn't notice that. I will fix it now GreatLakesShips ( talk) 00:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Thank you for taking care of that. Restoring tick per Gerda Arendt's review. Yoninah ( talk) 00:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Overall Length

"Her steel hull had an overall length of 350 feet (110 m) (one source states 358 feet (109 m))" How can 350 feet be 110 m but 358 feet is 109 m? 203.220.105.158 ( talk) 07:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ 203.220.105.158: No idea. They were automatically generated by Wikipedia. GreatLakesShips ( talk) 11:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC) reply

See Template:Convert#Rounding: 100 ft is 30 m or 30.5 m or 30.48 m? or Help:Convert#Rounding for your answer. Imzadi 1979 → 03:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Imzadi1979: Thanks for the info. GreatLakesShips ( talk) 07:42, 10 December 2020 (UTC) reply

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