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The link to JongWon Kim's DIC 1623 lecture is broken, and there is no archived version on either the Wayback Machine or archive.today. I can't find any more up-to-date content on the Gwangju Institute's website that might correspond to a more recent version of that lecture, but I don't really know what I'm looking for.
Does anyone know what was in those lecture notes and why it was relevant to the SGI flight simulator?
AstridRedfern ( talk) 17:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
I can't find much information on this.
First of all, it was supposedly "added" to flight, but I can't find any evidence that it was a later addition. For all I know it could have been part of the software from the very start!
The two mailing list posts below are the only information I have:
> Good morning to all you pilots out there. About a year and a half ago I received a TCP/IP version of dog that required a routine to be running on one of the network machines (called ATC) and each machine on the net had to reference that file in order to play dog. This version of dog tended to crap out at various times and could handle at best 4-5 players. SO, last Xmas, I loaded up the XNS kernel and XNS dog and had the pilots boot the machines in XNS to play during the 'holiday season'. Before I reload the XNS dog again for this holiday season, is there a better functioning TCP version than the one I have? I can't tell from the mailgoing around about dog if its the same one or not, but I have a feeling it is.
and
> We have a 3130 with GL2-W3.6; dog, shadow, etc. don't work. The manual says that in 3.6 they are TCP/IP, but I don't know if that is true. I made the above changes, but they didn't help. I have been told that a server program, atc (air taffic controler), must be run, but we don't have it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstridRedfern ( talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Looks like I forgot to sign the above. Apologies. AstridRedfern ( talk) 19:58, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
The list states that the set of available planes in the initial version was as follows:
Cessna 150
P-38 Lightning
Boeing 747
F-16
F-15 (F-14 model; wings spread)
F-14D (wings laid on)
https://github.com/lkesteloot/alice/blob/master/alice4/software/flight/main.c is a source file from a recent port of flight to some ARM-based custom hardware. In this file, all of these planes except the F-14 are available, and no others. This suggests that the port might be of a fairly old version, and that the F-14 was one of the planes added in later versions.
However, it could also be that the F-14 was deleted from the port for some reason, so I can't be sure of this.
AstridRedfern ( talk) 19:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
"Flight was written in the summer of 1983[citation needed] for the SGI IRIS series of computer workstations."
The book "Networked Graphics" ( https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Networked_Graphics/76C_quJqVXcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover) (Anthony Steed, 2009, published by Morgan Kaufman) does state that it was "originally built in 1983." But it says nothing about the summer, and it's possible (going by the publication date) that it used this article as its source. It doesn't cite its sources inline, but it is also possible that the source was one of the publications cited at the end of Chapter 1.
AstridRedfern ( talk) 13:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I've found another IRIX manpage link at https://nixdoc.net/man-pages/IRIX/man6/flight.6.html - but I can't tell which version of IRIX it's the manpage for. AstridRedfern ( talk) 21:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
The "Developers" section states that the manpage for the IRIX 6.5 version of the program lists the following developers and credits them for the following:
* Gary Tarolli (original version)
(The manpage does indeed say this.)
* Network communications David "Ciemo" Ciemiewicz (UDP Broadcast) and Andrew Cherenson (IP Multicast).
The manpage talks about UDP multicast. It mentions broadcast being present in older versions, but says nothing about IP multicast. It does list these two developers as responsible for network communications, but does not say anything about which protocol/etc. each individual dev contributed.
* Rob Mace (involved by 1988, listed as responsible for IRIX 6.5 version, as well as the geometry for F-14, F-18, and 727 aircraft, and the new instrument panel)
The article's phrasing should reflect the fact that other developers were also involved in the new instrument panel, and the F-18 and 727 geometry. Their names are given below, but the article looks as though it is contradicting itself and assigning sole credit to different people for the same thing in all three cases.
* Barry Brouillette ("contributor", geometry for F-16 and P-38)
* Marshall Levine ("contributor", new instrument panel)
(Again, wording needs to make it clearer that Rob Mace also worked on the instrument panel. Also, the manpage doesn't explain why these two are described as "contributors" when the others aren't.)
* Thad Beier (F-18 geometry)
* Marc Ondrechen (727 geometry)
(Again, we should improve the article's phrasing, to make it clearer that Rob Mace was also involved in both these things. Otherwise correct.)
* Sound effects by Chris Perry and Chris Schoeneman
(The manpage does indeed credit the two Chrises for sound effects)
AstridRedfern ( talk) 15:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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The link to JongWon Kim's DIC 1623 lecture is broken, and there is no archived version on either the Wayback Machine or archive.today. I can't find any more up-to-date content on the Gwangju Institute's website that might correspond to a more recent version of that lecture, but I don't really know what I'm looking for.
Does anyone know what was in those lecture notes and why it was relevant to the SGI flight simulator?
AstridRedfern ( talk) 17:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
I can't find much information on this.
First of all, it was supposedly "added" to flight, but I can't find any evidence that it was a later addition. For all I know it could have been part of the software from the very start!
The two mailing list posts below are the only information I have:
> Good morning to all you pilots out there. About a year and a half ago I received a TCP/IP version of dog that required a routine to be running on one of the network machines (called ATC) and each machine on the net had to reference that file in order to play dog. This version of dog tended to crap out at various times and could handle at best 4-5 players. SO, last Xmas, I loaded up the XNS kernel and XNS dog and had the pilots boot the machines in XNS to play during the 'holiday season'. Before I reload the XNS dog again for this holiday season, is there a better functioning TCP version than the one I have? I can't tell from the mailgoing around about dog if its the same one or not, but I have a feeling it is.
and
> We have a 3130 with GL2-W3.6; dog, shadow, etc. don't work. The manual says that in 3.6 they are TCP/IP, but I don't know if that is true. I made the above changes, but they didn't help. I have been told that a server program, atc (air taffic controler), must be run, but we don't have it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstridRedfern ( talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Looks like I forgot to sign the above. Apologies. AstridRedfern ( talk) 19:58, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
The list states that the set of available planes in the initial version was as follows:
Cessna 150
P-38 Lightning
Boeing 747
F-16
F-15 (F-14 model; wings spread)
F-14D (wings laid on)
https://github.com/lkesteloot/alice/blob/master/alice4/software/flight/main.c is a source file from a recent port of flight to some ARM-based custom hardware. In this file, all of these planes except the F-14 are available, and no others. This suggests that the port might be of a fairly old version, and that the F-14 was one of the planes added in later versions.
However, it could also be that the F-14 was deleted from the port for some reason, so I can't be sure of this.
AstridRedfern ( talk) 19:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
"Flight was written in the summer of 1983[citation needed] for the SGI IRIS series of computer workstations."
The book "Networked Graphics" ( https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Networked_Graphics/76C_quJqVXcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover) (Anthony Steed, 2009, published by Morgan Kaufman) does state that it was "originally built in 1983." But it says nothing about the summer, and it's possible (going by the publication date) that it used this article as its source. It doesn't cite its sources inline, but it is also possible that the source was one of the publications cited at the end of Chapter 1.
AstridRedfern ( talk) 13:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I've found another IRIX manpage link at https://nixdoc.net/man-pages/IRIX/man6/flight.6.html - but I can't tell which version of IRIX it's the manpage for. AstridRedfern ( talk) 21:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
The "Developers" section states that the manpage for the IRIX 6.5 version of the program lists the following developers and credits them for the following:
* Gary Tarolli (original version)
(The manpage does indeed say this.)
* Network communications David "Ciemo" Ciemiewicz (UDP Broadcast) and Andrew Cherenson (IP Multicast).
The manpage talks about UDP multicast. It mentions broadcast being present in older versions, but says nothing about IP multicast. It does list these two developers as responsible for network communications, but does not say anything about which protocol/etc. each individual dev contributed.
* Rob Mace (involved by 1988, listed as responsible for IRIX 6.5 version, as well as the geometry for F-14, F-18, and 727 aircraft, and the new instrument panel)
The article's phrasing should reflect the fact that other developers were also involved in the new instrument panel, and the F-18 and 727 geometry. Their names are given below, but the article looks as though it is contradicting itself and assigning sole credit to different people for the same thing in all three cases.
* Barry Brouillette ("contributor", geometry for F-16 and P-38)
* Marshall Levine ("contributor", new instrument panel)
(Again, wording needs to make it clearer that Rob Mace also worked on the instrument panel. Also, the manpage doesn't explain why these two are described as "contributors" when the others aren't.)
* Thad Beier (F-18 geometry)
* Marc Ondrechen (727 geometry)
(Again, we should improve the article's phrasing, to make it clearer that Rob Mace was also involved in both these things. Otherwise correct.)
* Sound effects by Chris Perry and Chris Schoeneman
(The manpage does indeed credit the two Chrises for sound effects)
AstridRedfern ( talk) 15:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)