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The result of the move request was: page moved. —♦♦ AMBER (ЯʘCK) 19:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Séléka CPSK-CPJP-UFDR →
Séléka – Per
WP:COMMONNAME. the full alphabet soup is very rare in news sources; zero Google News Archive hits for "CPSK-CPJP-UFDR". I would have been
WP:BOLD and moved it, but I'm not sure between
Séléka or
Seleka. See also the
#Redundant moniker section for stats on names in news sources.
jnestorius(
talk) 22:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.There are a few proposals now, so it's not clear which one people are supporting. This is my fault as I had erroneously assumed Seleka redirected here when I made the nomination.
A: What to name this page?
B: If the action for A involves moving Seleka, to what name?
Regarding the choice of Séléka vs Seleka. It seems (based on Sango language#Orthogoraphy) that Séléka is not a valid Sango spelling and so must only be the French spelling. Sango and French are both official languages of the CAR, so one can argue that Séléka is just as correct a spelling, even though the word originates in the other language. The constituent group' names are French. What matters for the English Wikipedia is not French or Sango per se, but rather what English-language sources use. We don't care whether those sources are using "Seleka" as a faithful Sango spelling or as a simplification of the French "Séléka" spelling. OTOH if English sources are largely using the French spelling "Séléka", the fact that that is not the etymological origin of the name should not matter to us.
After all that. my vote would be for A3+B3; but I wouldn't object to anything except A1 or A2. jnestorius( talk) 22:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I've removed this:
The source is a newspaper article. The article does not comment on what other media are calling the group. The evidence of the article's own usage is also weak: it uses the phrases "The Seleka alliance", "The rebel Seleka alliance", and "the Seleka troops" (the first two quotes are sentence-initial). The lowercase initial in "alliance" suggests that it is a description, not part of the name.
I currently get the following Google News hits:
In brief, "Séléka alliance" is too rare to even mention. Also, saying "Séléka" means alliance, we don't need to point out that "Séléka alliance" is a pleonasm. Even if were common enough to mention, a simple wikilink to pleonasm or tautology would be sufficient, not a WP:SYNTH link to stylebooks that (allegedly) would proscribe it. I presume they are general advice about pleonasm, not specific to this one, since the books were published before the group was formed. Many people are tolerant of macaronic pleonasms. BTW, " news writing standards" is an WP:EASTEREGG. jnestorius( talk) 22:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I am also of the opinion that this should have no place here. My removal (commented with "Wikipedia is not about righting wrongs like wrong translations") was reverted with a comment that roughly translates to "this is not about righting wrongs but to make future editors aware of the problem". But this is also not Wikipedia's goal. We do not offer guidelines on correct or incorrect usage of terms, we describe them as they are used. -- Ulkomaalainen ( talk) 19:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello mortals... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:444:200:ECE0:8DD0:D13E:790C:6757 ( talk) 23:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. —♦♦ AMBER (ЯʘCK) 19:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Séléka CPSK-CPJP-UFDR →
Séléka – Per
WP:COMMONNAME. the full alphabet soup is very rare in news sources; zero Google News Archive hits for "CPSK-CPJP-UFDR". I would have been
WP:BOLD and moved it, but I'm not sure between
Séléka or
Seleka. See also the
#Redundant moniker section for stats on names in news sources.
jnestorius(
talk) 22:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.There are a few proposals now, so it's not clear which one people are supporting. This is my fault as I had erroneously assumed Seleka redirected here when I made the nomination.
A: What to name this page?
B: If the action for A involves moving Seleka, to what name?
Regarding the choice of Séléka vs Seleka. It seems (based on Sango language#Orthogoraphy) that Séléka is not a valid Sango spelling and so must only be the French spelling. Sango and French are both official languages of the CAR, so one can argue that Séléka is just as correct a spelling, even though the word originates in the other language. The constituent group' names are French. What matters for the English Wikipedia is not French or Sango per se, but rather what English-language sources use. We don't care whether those sources are using "Seleka" as a faithful Sango spelling or as a simplification of the French "Séléka" spelling. OTOH if English sources are largely using the French spelling "Séléka", the fact that that is not the etymological origin of the name should not matter to us.
After all that. my vote would be for A3+B3; but I wouldn't object to anything except A1 or A2. jnestorius( talk) 22:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I've removed this:
The source is a newspaper article. The article does not comment on what other media are calling the group. The evidence of the article's own usage is also weak: it uses the phrases "The Seleka alliance", "The rebel Seleka alliance", and "the Seleka troops" (the first two quotes are sentence-initial). The lowercase initial in "alliance" suggests that it is a description, not part of the name.
I currently get the following Google News hits:
In brief, "Séléka alliance" is too rare to even mention. Also, saying "Séléka" means alliance, we don't need to point out that "Séléka alliance" is a pleonasm. Even if were common enough to mention, a simple wikilink to pleonasm or tautology would be sufficient, not a WP:SYNTH link to stylebooks that (allegedly) would proscribe it. I presume they are general advice about pleonasm, not specific to this one, since the books were published before the group was formed. Many people are tolerant of macaronic pleonasms. BTW, " news writing standards" is an WP:EASTEREGG. jnestorius( talk) 22:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I am also of the opinion that this should have no place here. My removal (commented with "Wikipedia is not about righting wrongs like wrong translations") was reverted with a comment that roughly translates to "this is not about righting wrongs but to make future editors aware of the problem". But this is also not Wikipedia's goal. We do not offer guidelines on correct or incorrect usage of terms, we describe them as they are used. -- Ulkomaalainen ( talk) 19:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello mortals... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:444:200:ECE0:8DD0:D13E:790C:6757 ( talk) 23:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)