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the socialist party in chile is no longer in government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.0.206 ( talk) 03:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
So is the United Socialist Party of Venezuela now a member? Should the MVR be replaced on the list by the PSUV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 ( talk) 04:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
How come the site's link is down? Is the Sao Paulo Forum still in operation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 ( talk) 18:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is. There is a new meeting this year in Uruguay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.22.37.114 ( talk) 16:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
The Forum is in operation, the site is still being paid by PT. The site is left purposefully down because the PT wants now to hide the Forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.164.233.146 ( talk) 03:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I added a new topic, corrected some grammar errors of the previous text, and renamed the "Noteworthy participants" section to "Partial list of participants", because the word "noteworthy" involves a judgement by the editor of what is worthy of note and this obviously varies. Either we offer a complete list or we should just say that it's a partial list. Selecting which participants to highlight (and worse, claiming that they are noteworthy) is not impartial. The text which I expanded means to show that the FSP is made up of several organizations which have different points of view, and that the unifying positions are stated in the final declarations of the meetings. If anyone has objections to the content and would like to make suggestions of changes, I'll be avaliable. The contents here are, however, a summary of what is offered in the Portuguese version. I had to translate parts of the first declaration, which I'm not sure if it's standard here at Wikipedia. I'd appreciate if others offer links to the final documents and references of the text. Thanks. abueno 18:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I removed the link for forum as there isn't currently an article for that usage of forum (and, imo, it would only be a dictionary definition if such a page were created). Politepunk 23:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There is absolutely no base to the claim that Foro de São Paulo is a transnational political party. This is solely an analysis of some groups critical of FSP, who claim that it attempts to coordinate the action of left-wing parties throughout Latin America, much the same way the Communist Third International did. Even if this allegation were true, this would not make a single transnational party out of the several groups and political parties that participate in the FSP. Each group and party continues to have an independent identity. It is ludicrous to claim, for example, that the Workers Party (PT), in Brazil, and the Communist Party of Cuba are a single organization, even while they may have converging points of interest and action. abueno 16:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I have explained the reason why the removal of the Transnational Political Parties link was necessary and correct. Whomever put this reference back to the site should have at least argued why it should continue. Once again, I will remove this reference and I must alert that any attempt to restore the link without prior discussion here will be considered vandalism and taken to Wikipedia's administration for analysis and the necessary action. abueno 16:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
201.23.192.138 ( talk) 16:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)-- there's no proof of the objective of FSP to create a transnational Party, but some of it members talk about a South American Republics Union (great variety of names are used), as Hugo Chávez or Marco Aurélio Garcia (special adviser of president Lula), an eufemism that could be taken as a great party for a great union of countries. I thought this could not be ignored -- 201.23.192.138 ( talk) 16:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I disputed the neutrality and factual accuracy of this article due to its claims that the FSP was created by Fidel Castro; its lack of reference to the fact that there are more than 100 organizations involved in the FSP, many of which are not socialist but nationalist; for the inclusion of the "criticism" section without providing an oposing view; and the general lack of relevant information which shows the FSP's support to democratic governance, among other points. I will atempt to offer a more reliable version of this article in the future, based on the version that was written in Portuguese. abueno 16:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I disputed the neutrality and factual accuracy of this article and someone removed the banner showing that this content had been disputed. Whomever did this probably knows it is against the rules of Wikipedia. I'll quote the site's page on the topic
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I'm finding it difficult to come up with some kind of unbiased description of what this organisation is. Clearly it's an organisation which has taken it upon itself to criticise the FSP, and clearly it is some kind of conservative. The fact that only left-wing organisations and news sources seem to be the ones charging UnoAmérica with being extreme Right or neo-fascist, I don't know whether that's been verified sufficiently for Wikipedia that it is an extremist Right group. On the other hand, judging from the UnoAmérica website's own lack of clarity about who these "NGOs" are that support it, I suspect this may be a marginal organisation in terms of support, and thus possibly not notable enough to either link to or talk about in the article. Is there some source I'm missing?
The most I can find about this Peña Esclusa person who runs UnoAmérica is that he was a decidedly out of the mainstream presidential candidate in Venezuela, which again would point to the notability issue - why is this organisation he runs important enough or representative enough of opinion in Latin America to be included on this page? Again, a lack of reputable sources is the problem here. We don't have any sources that aren't other right-wing organisations or news sources making any case that this is a notable group. Is there some source I'm missing here?
At this point, I'm leaning towards a solution of eliminating any refs to UnoAmérica from the page. What do people think? Zachary Klaas ( talk) 22:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
If you are saying that Unoamerica seems to be lunatic fringe politics and does not in itself deserves a reference, you are right. The problem, however, is not the relevance of such organizations per se, but the fact that they seem to be regarded as authorities by people in far more relevant positions. If you follow link [10] to the 2002 speech by Kenneth Maxwell in the Council of Foreign Relations, you will see what I mean, in that American policy-makers were ready to believe in affirmations made by such organizations as reliable. Therefore, drop the reference to Unoamerica and keep the K.Maxwell link, why not? Cerme ( talk) 20:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Article currently reads: " a declaration that prompted a comment from the Rede Globo site to the effect that the hallmark of FSP's activities had been its "very moderate" character". NOT TRUE. The link actualy points to an AFP story, merely re-published at Globo's website G1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.20.206.190 ( talk) 12:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
There been an odd content dispute in the past days, which initially evolved around the deletion of parties of Puerto Rico, Martinique and Dominica. The argument expressed has been that solely parties from fully independent states could be included. Later the Dominica issue was settled after having established that Dominica, in fact, is an independent state. 1) Let's make one thing clear: The relevant factor here is whether these parties are members of FSP, not the constitutional status of the territories in which they operate. The notion that political movements in not-fully-sovereign entities would have to be obscured from the Wikipedia reader is somewhat bizarre. 2) Is this a WP:MOSFLAG issue? It's not clearly expressed in the edit summaries, and if that was the case then the flags (not the parties) ought to have been removed. 3) For what it's worth, Puerto Rico is not part of the United States. It's a Free State, association with the US (with which it has a very complex relationship). Listing Puerto Rican parties as 'American' would be factually incorrect. Martinique is a department of France, but does have a flag of its own and is represented with this flag in various Caribbean forums. Listing the Martinican parties as 'France' would not be very helpful in this context. -- Soman ( talk) 13:29, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
User:MarcosPassos believes that that political parties in Martinique and Puerto Rico should not be included in Foro de Sao Paulo, because they are sub-national entities of France and US and thus no different than a Brazilian state. User:Soman and myself say that that the exact status of Martinique and Puerto Rico is irrelevant because the political parties are local parties, and listed under "Martinica" and "Puerto Rico" on the FSP website. Quintucket ( talk) 20:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
The title says it all. Specially because there are all evidences that the Foro de São Paulo is a criminal organization. 177.148.142.0 ( talk) 00:32, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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This will need updates over the coming weeks in light of the Chilean general election. I know the "equality party" is part of the coalition that just won the presidency for example. I think the changes are probably most appropriate to come no now, but when the current president elect forms a government. (My knowledge of the Chilean electoral system etc. isn't that great so I'm not sure exactly, but I thought it'd be best to flag this up at least even if nothing needs to be done yet).
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the socialist party in chile is no longer in government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.0.206 ( talk) 03:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
So is the United Socialist Party of Venezuela now a member? Should the MVR be replaced on the list by the PSUV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 ( talk) 04:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
How come the site's link is down? Is the Sao Paulo Forum still in operation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 ( talk) 18:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is. There is a new meeting this year in Uruguay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.22.37.114 ( talk) 16:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
The Forum is in operation, the site is still being paid by PT. The site is left purposefully down because the PT wants now to hide the Forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.164.233.146 ( talk) 03:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I added a new topic, corrected some grammar errors of the previous text, and renamed the "Noteworthy participants" section to "Partial list of participants", because the word "noteworthy" involves a judgement by the editor of what is worthy of note and this obviously varies. Either we offer a complete list or we should just say that it's a partial list. Selecting which participants to highlight (and worse, claiming that they are noteworthy) is not impartial. The text which I expanded means to show that the FSP is made up of several organizations which have different points of view, and that the unifying positions are stated in the final declarations of the meetings. If anyone has objections to the content and would like to make suggestions of changes, I'll be avaliable. The contents here are, however, a summary of what is offered in the Portuguese version. I had to translate parts of the first declaration, which I'm not sure if it's standard here at Wikipedia. I'd appreciate if others offer links to the final documents and references of the text. Thanks. abueno 18:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I removed the link for forum as there isn't currently an article for that usage of forum (and, imo, it would only be a dictionary definition if such a page were created). Politepunk 23:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There is absolutely no base to the claim that Foro de São Paulo is a transnational political party. This is solely an analysis of some groups critical of FSP, who claim that it attempts to coordinate the action of left-wing parties throughout Latin America, much the same way the Communist Third International did. Even if this allegation were true, this would not make a single transnational party out of the several groups and political parties that participate in the FSP. Each group and party continues to have an independent identity. It is ludicrous to claim, for example, that the Workers Party (PT), in Brazil, and the Communist Party of Cuba are a single organization, even while they may have converging points of interest and action. abueno 16:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I have explained the reason why the removal of the Transnational Political Parties link was necessary and correct. Whomever put this reference back to the site should have at least argued why it should continue. Once again, I will remove this reference and I must alert that any attempt to restore the link without prior discussion here will be considered vandalism and taken to Wikipedia's administration for analysis and the necessary action. abueno 16:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
201.23.192.138 ( talk) 16:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)-- there's no proof of the objective of FSP to create a transnational Party, but some of it members talk about a South American Republics Union (great variety of names are used), as Hugo Chávez or Marco Aurélio Garcia (special adviser of president Lula), an eufemism that could be taken as a great party for a great union of countries. I thought this could not be ignored -- 201.23.192.138 ( talk) 16:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I disputed the neutrality and factual accuracy of this article due to its claims that the FSP was created by Fidel Castro; its lack of reference to the fact that there are more than 100 organizations involved in the FSP, many of which are not socialist but nationalist; for the inclusion of the "criticism" section without providing an oposing view; and the general lack of relevant information which shows the FSP's support to democratic governance, among other points. I will atempt to offer a more reliable version of this article in the future, based on the version that was written in Portuguese. abueno 16:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I disputed the neutrality and factual accuracy of this article and someone removed the banner showing that this content had been disputed. Whomever did this probably knows it is against the rules of Wikipedia. I'll quote the site's page on the topic
Improper use of dispute tags
Dispute tags are an important way for people to show that there are problems with the article. Do not remove them unless you are sure that all stated reasons for the dispute are settled. As a general rule, do not remove other people's dispute tags twice during a 24 hour period. Do not place dispute tags improperly, as in when there is no dispute, and the reason for placing the dispute tag is because a suggested edit has failed to meet consensus. Instead, follow WP:CON and accept that some edits will not meet consensus. Please note that placing or removal of dispute tags does not count as simple vandalism, and therefore the reverting of such edits is not exempt from the three-revert rule.
If this problem continues, I will take the issue over to the administration of Wikipedia with a complaint about vandalism, which may result in the user's banning. abueno 16:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm finding it difficult to come up with some kind of unbiased description of what this organisation is. Clearly it's an organisation which has taken it upon itself to criticise the FSP, and clearly it is some kind of conservative. The fact that only left-wing organisations and news sources seem to be the ones charging UnoAmérica with being extreme Right or neo-fascist, I don't know whether that's been verified sufficiently for Wikipedia that it is an extremist Right group. On the other hand, judging from the UnoAmérica website's own lack of clarity about who these "NGOs" are that support it, I suspect this may be a marginal organisation in terms of support, and thus possibly not notable enough to either link to or talk about in the article. Is there some source I'm missing?
The most I can find about this Peña Esclusa person who runs UnoAmérica is that he was a decidedly out of the mainstream presidential candidate in Venezuela, which again would point to the notability issue - why is this organisation he runs important enough or representative enough of opinion in Latin America to be included on this page? Again, a lack of reputable sources is the problem here. We don't have any sources that aren't other right-wing organisations or news sources making any case that this is a notable group. Is there some source I'm missing here?
At this point, I'm leaning towards a solution of eliminating any refs to UnoAmérica from the page. What do people think? Zachary Klaas ( talk) 22:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
If you are saying that Unoamerica seems to be lunatic fringe politics and does not in itself deserves a reference, you are right. The problem, however, is not the relevance of such organizations per se, but the fact that they seem to be regarded as authorities by people in far more relevant positions. If you follow link [10] to the 2002 speech by Kenneth Maxwell in the Council of Foreign Relations, you will see what I mean, in that American policy-makers were ready to believe in affirmations made by such organizations as reliable. Therefore, drop the reference to Unoamerica and keep the K.Maxwell link, why not? Cerme ( talk) 20:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Article currently reads: " a declaration that prompted a comment from the Rede Globo site to the effect that the hallmark of FSP's activities had been its "very moderate" character". NOT TRUE. The link actualy points to an AFP story, merely re-published at Globo's website G1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.20.206.190 ( talk) 12:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
There been an odd content dispute in the past days, which initially evolved around the deletion of parties of Puerto Rico, Martinique and Dominica. The argument expressed has been that solely parties from fully independent states could be included. Later the Dominica issue was settled after having established that Dominica, in fact, is an independent state. 1) Let's make one thing clear: The relevant factor here is whether these parties are members of FSP, not the constitutional status of the territories in which they operate. The notion that political movements in not-fully-sovereign entities would have to be obscured from the Wikipedia reader is somewhat bizarre. 2) Is this a WP:MOSFLAG issue? It's not clearly expressed in the edit summaries, and if that was the case then the flags (not the parties) ought to have been removed. 3) For what it's worth, Puerto Rico is not part of the United States. It's a Free State, association with the US (with which it has a very complex relationship). Listing Puerto Rican parties as 'American' would be factually incorrect. Martinique is a department of France, but does have a flag of its own and is represented with this flag in various Caribbean forums. Listing the Martinican parties as 'France' would not be very helpful in this context. -- Soman ( talk) 13:29, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
User:MarcosPassos believes that that political parties in Martinique and Puerto Rico should not be included in Foro de Sao Paulo, because they are sub-national entities of France and US and thus no different than a Brazilian state. User:Soman and myself say that that the exact status of Martinique and Puerto Rico is irrelevant because the political parties are local parties, and listed under "Martinica" and "Puerto Rico" on the FSP website. Quintucket ( talk) 20:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
The title says it all. Specially because there are all evidences that the Foro de São Paulo is a criminal organization. 177.148.142.0 ( talk) 00:32, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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This will need updates over the coming weeks in light of the Chilean general election. I know the "equality party" is part of the coalition that just won the presidency for example. I think the changes are probably most appropriate to come no now, but when the current president elect forms a government. (My knowledge of the Chilean electoral system etc. isn't that great so I'm not sure exactly, but I thought it'd be best to flag this up at least even if nothing needs to be done yet).