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It shows up in the article 21 times and makes for an annoying read. 76.2.28.13 10:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Building on the above, would anyone like to have a go at tidying up the currently largely awful language and general structure without affecting the content? This would be very appreciated. For some reason I can't muster any interest myself, which would render any effort subpar. Thanks in advance for any help. Dave ( talk) 01:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
"Ryoga moved, (to catch/stop Mikado Sanzenin) and far more impressively, then hurled two enormous buoying blocks of ice, with an approximate total weight of roughly 250 to 700 metric tons"
The sitation states that the math was got 'By comparing with the almost 2m tall 'tiny' Mikado, with an estimated total weight of between 1.5m*8m*25m*917kg/m^3=275*10^3kg and 2.5m*10m*30m*917kg/m^3=687*10^3kg.'
I'm not sure if the math itself is off, but the choice of source page was a grave error. This page is after Ryoga already threw the ice pieces he lifted, (page 63 of volume 4, I believe) and you can't tell which of the ice pieces shown are the ones Ryoga threw and which ones were hurled into the air by the resulting splash. In fact, it could very well be that the two ice pieces Ryoga hurled aren't even shown, and are instead submerged, and all the ice pieces shown on this page were hurled into the air from the impact. You can clearly see that the water splash reached the top of the page, and considering the pool they are in should be full of ice chunks, its unreasonable to think Ryoga managed to find the only area of open water to hurl those icebergs.
The page that should have been used for this calculation is page 58, which is a nice frame of just Ranma, Ryoga and the two ice chunks he lifts in the next few pages. Using my own mediocre math skills (and using Ranma-chan's torso as the measuring stick) I'd say they are more likely to be in the 10 to 20 ton range, maybe more than that since the entire ice blocks aren't shown. However, 250 to 700 metric tons is absolutely ludicrious. If Ryoga could lift that much, he'd be able to wield a bus like it were a baseball bat. And if Ryoga is that strong, then how strong would that make Lime? Ryoga himself considers Lime to have a strength that is beyond human limits. At the very least, that would require Lime to have 2 to 4 times the strength of Ryoga, which would be obscene even by anime standards.
Also, Mikado Sanzenin being nerly 2 meters tall? That can't be right. He'd be basketball material if he were that big, what's he doing ice skating? -Ryo-Wolf Wednesday, May 9th, 2007.
This is also consistent with times Azusa is next to him who is also head and shoulders below him. However, the male height measure is really weird. It's like Takahashi decided he was head and shoulders over everyone, regardless of their height as Ranma is also shown to be about head and shoulders to Akane who is equal to Azusa, but is head and shoulder below to Mikado in 176 and 177 shots even when the perspective changed. Page 178 seems to be the best between Ranma-kun and Mikado where Ranma-kun are in the same perspective and Ranma is up to Mikado's eyes which makes more sense with other characters relative heights, although even here they are slightly tilted over as they challenge each other. Obviously if she was using assistants for this stuff they messed up pretty bad between panels. Derekloffin 19:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, been doing some math based on the chart I have, and did some estimates: Using Ranma-kun at 5'10", Tofu comes out to 6'7" tall which is a bit tall. Likewise for Ranma-kun at 5'8" Tofu is 6'5" and Ranma-kun at 5'6" Tofu is 6'3" (Tofu is the tallest character save Genma-panda on the chart). 6'7" for Tofu seems high, 5'6" for Ranma seems low, so using 5'8" figures, Ranma-chan is 4'8", Akane is 4'10.5", and Kuno is 6". I didn't realize Ranma-chan was quite that small. Derekloffin 22:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Just for reference sake, the measurements were (all in cm at the same magnification): 17.7 Tofu, 17.5 Soun, 16.6 Kuno, 16.1 Genma, 15.6 Ranma-kun, 15.5 Kasumi, 15.0 Nabiki, 13.5 Akane and 13 for Ranma-chan. I was assuming Ranma-kun's height and computing the others from that via ratio. Derekloffin 22:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I've never touched the article itself or the images in it, so I don't know what you are insinuating with your comment about returning every two months to see if you're not here. The reason I show up so sparsely is simply because I don't venture to wikipedia very often and often forget this article even exists. The only reason I posted the above was because someone quoted wikipedia at me while trying to argue that Ryoga could lift a house and throw it at someone. To put it simply, Wikipedia is used as a source for quite a few people. Even assuming that ice fragment is the one that Ryoga threw, I still don't understand how you could have accurately measured it with the sound effect obscuring half the page. The page source is unreliable for that reason alone, even without the other factors coming into play. I'm not going to edit the article and I probably won't respond to the discussion any further, but I hope your strength assessment is eventually replaced with one that is more reliable. -Ryo-Wolf 17:03 26 February 2008 (PST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.150.173 ( talk)
All right. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I seem to have been tired the day I wrote that and skimmed through your post. In any case, I agree that it makes sense that Ryoga threw both boulders as he held one in each hand and that it makes sense that the smaller ones near the bottom of the image would be previously loosened ones pushed up from the impact, but going by the throwing path only one of them is seen on-screen, which is what we have to work with, and the ones near the top definitely seem to be fragmenting from the larger mass that Mikado is stuck to. The range (400-1000 tonnes) is kept very wide strictly because the gauge is inprecise, but maybe it should be adjusted back to 250-700 tonnes, or somesuch instead? Feel free to make your own higher-/lower-end approximations. The current panorama frame is of higher resolution, so anyone can check. Dave ( talk) 20:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I do not think most of them were improvements. I'll be referencing this[ [1]]
The first changed sentence is "Due to it being partially his fault that Ryoga became a piglet in the first place, and given that Ryouga has no lecherous intentions and makes Akane happy Ranma has kept secret about P-chan's identity, but sometimes "subtly" hints to Akane about it to provoke Ryouga."
This is speculation, since the series never shows Ranma thinking or stating his reasons for not revealing Ryouga's secret. Second, it's wrong in stating Ryoga has 'no lecherous intentions'. In the Hot Springs Race, Ryoga as a human tries to spy on akane while she's bathing. Third, it appears to be saying provoking Ryoga is the only reason Ranma is hinting. That's making an assumption about Ranma and deliberately not consdiering any other possible reasons. Finally, this is not NPOV, it's assuming the best of Ryoga, even when the manga shows he's very fallible in this area, and the worst of Ranma.
The second changed sentence is better - " Ryouga's anger quickly lessens with time, first into a fierce rivalry, then into a tense competition, then into uneasy allies and finally on friendly enough terms to risk his life to save Ranma, and being much more relaxed in general due to his girlfriend Akari, but the competition between the two will likely remain forever."
While relations between Ranma and Ryoga do improve over the series, they do not go as smoothly as this depicts, with both regressing at times. Ryoga goes so far as to ambush and betray Ranma in the Musk Dynasty story, potentially leaving Ranma trapped forever as a girl. Also, saying Akari has any part in improvement is speculation, and on shaky ground considering how much of the improvement in the relationship occured before her introduction.
I'll post more comments as I have time. Edward321 00:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice job updating this page. My only complaint is the insertion of volume and chapter locations in the article. It would be better if they were done as footnote-type references instead so as not to break up the continuity. Zwaksman 14:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Ryoga is one of the most proficient martial artists in the Ranmaverse, roughly but not quite comparable to Ranma, though he's defeated or fought Ranma to a draw on many occasions
Is it just me, or is he really comparable to Ranma? I mean, in the manga he was only beaten once by Ranma, and all the other times they were equal. So I remove the bold part. 212.162.178.238 16:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Volume 4: Chapter 13, Cologne ends up standing on water with Soun Tendo commenting that "For a true master of martial arts... it's possible to find a foothold even on a single twig floating on water!" Ice Rink battle: Ryoga stands on floating Ranma while holding up two boulders of ice, and Azusa clining to him. Just wanted to add that. S — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:4500:32D0:2998:1BAC:7B53:54B7 ( talk) 22:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Given the 46-53 explicit references I've put into it, shouldn't this page be A-class by now? Dave 11:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
You'd have to have the article reassessed and go through a peer review it looks like; personally I haven't taken something beyond B, so I'm not sure if you nominate it for GA or A status or delete the B rating so it gets kicked again into the unassessed category. -- BrokenSphere 14:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that this article's up for GAC, and I've put it on hold. For a model for a GA-class character page, you might like to look at Ami Mizuno and Talk:Ami Mizuno. The prose could use a copyedit, especially as regards in-universe prose and grammar. There are some places where it gets too detailed as well - "He is not lecherous, however - being hugged against Akane's cleavage when she is in a state of undress will cause the shy Ryoga to nosebleed and faint." could be changed to "He is not lecherous, however - being hugged by Akane can cause the shy Ryoga to nosebleed and faint." The lead desperately needs expanding, because each section of the article should be represented in a sentence or paragraph in the lead. This: "1.5 m*8 m*25 m*917 kg/m^3=275*10^3 kg" needs cleanup as well. Each citation needs an ISBN - this can help the reader find the original book, as well as tell them whether you've used the English translation or the original, etc. you may wish to investigate {{ cite book}}, filling in as much as you can. Each image needs a detailed fair use rationale, and the lead image could use shrinking. If you disagree with my decision to put the article on hold, please feel free to take it to good article review. I've also run a MOS bot through the page to give you some ideas of where it falls down in the MOS. The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of undefined, use undefined undefined, which when you are editing the page, should look like: undefined undefined.
[?]You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Malkinann 11:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
"In-universe" is treating the character as though he's real. Rather than saying "Ryoga first met Ranma in junior high" (which is what is in the article), say "Ryoga was introduced in chapter x as having first met Ranma in junior high". Ami Mizuno, which is a Good Article about a manga/anime character, has a few examples of how to do "out of universe" writing, which is preferred. Estimated things like height are always iffy - the reasons why they've been allowed to survive on the pages for the Sailor Senshi are that they're cited, and that if they're removed, they are promptly re-added by anons.- Malkinann 11:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Trivia sections tend to attract WP:CRUFT - if the trivia is truly awesome, it can find a home in the main body of an article, not stuck at the end.- Malkinann 11:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I've also put a list to prose request on Ryoga's techniques. All of your images still need a detailed fair use rationale. This is an essential copyright-compliance thing on Wikipedia, and it needs taking care of. As a whole, I'd suggest that in a week, if this still fails the GA criteria, that you should wait until you feel refreshed and put it up for Wikipedia:Peer review to get some further ideas on how to improve it. - Malkinann 11:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The original uploaders of the 2 speedy delete image candidates are not currently active; in the case of the infobox uploader, they haven't contributed since 2005. Given the image's size and the need to resize it, it may be better to put a screenshot of Ryoga on there and let the current image get deleted. If it's felt that the current P-chan image should be kept, the fair use rationale that I put in for my manga pic can be used as a model. Otherwise, a new one can be uploaded and the current one left to be deleted. -- BrokenSphere 22:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are the ISBN numbers for the Swedish pocket-manga volumes used as references, if anyone would be willing to help me out pasting them into the appropriate footnotes:
1: ISBN 9789172694002 2: ISBN 9789172694019 3: ISBN 9789172694026 4: ISBN 9789172694507 5: ISBN 9789172694514 6: ISBN 9789172694521 7: ISBN 9789172694538 8: ISBN 9789172694545 9: ISBN 9789172695122 10: ISBN 9789172695139 11: ISBN 9789172695146 12: ISBN 9789172695153 13: ISBN 9789172695160 14: ISBN 9789172695177 15: ISBN 9789171340719 16: ISBN 9789171340726 17: ISBN 9789171340733 18: ISBN 9789171340740 19: ISBN 9789171340757 20: ISBN 9789171340764 21: ISBN 9789171340771 22: ISBN 9789171341563 23: ISBN 9789171341570 24: ISBN 9789171341587 25: ISBN 9789171341594 26: ISBN 9789171341600 27: ISBN 9789171342508 28: ISBN 9789171342515 29: ISBN 9789171342522 30: ISBN 9789171342539 31: ISBN 9789171342546 32: ISBN 9789171342553 33: ISBN 9789171343239 34: ISBN 9789171343246 35: ISBN 9789171343253 36: ISBN 9789171343260 37: ISBN 9789171343277 38: ISBN 9789171343284
I'm still not certain if it's a good idea to refer non-fluent visitors to order them though, and am likevise not sure how the 'I also checked with a mostly identical/apparently reliable fan-translation I downloaded from a bittorrent archive' bit should be referred. Oh well. Dave 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I modified this to a much smaller (150x228 pixels) size as requested to make it qualify as fair use, but don't know how to tighten the actual display on this page. Help would be appreciated, given that it currently looks too indistinct to properly make out. Dave 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Have we managed to improve the noted problems to an acceptable level by now? Dave 13:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this article, they way it is now, could become WP:GA. It is mostly a plot summary...
I'd recommend finding info on the character creation,
A section of his portrayal on the anime, not just jumbled with the rest of the text
Better sources, not only the manga but interviews, reviews, anything else.
Some wording must be fixed. Lines like "When we first meet him", "Ryoga is one of the most proficient martial artists in his world" and "Ryoga is possibly the most miserable character in the entire series" need to be changed to a WP:NPOV.
There's a thing as too detailed. I believe if reading a Wikipedia article on "X" work serves as an alternative to actually reading or watching "X", then the article must be trimmed, badly.-- Nohansen 19:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Two general points:
On some sections:
Info that could be added (if found):
That's off the top of my head. If I think of anything better, I'll let you know.
I've read rumors of a "Ranma" or "Rumiko Takahashi" taskforce to work en masse in these articles. I wonder, what happened with that?-- Nohansen 15:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I checked up the spoiler description and given the text "Unacceptable alternatives: Deleting relevant, neutral and verifiable information about a narrative work from Wikipedia "because it's a spoiler" instead of properly applying spoiler templates." it seems like this is the path we should follow, instead of cutting out verifiable information.
In any case, I find the currect format somewhat clunky by nature, since it doesn't use an automatic hide/display function, rather than simple warnings. The former mode was briefly shown here, which is how I noticed it, but later deactivated when I tried to display each topic head but hide the text. Given that I couldn't find a description at the above 'spoiler-page', does anyone know how to modify them to work in this manner, without the centered text display shown in Shampoo's profile when this function was activated. Or do I simply have browser trouble? Dave 22:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
When an article is placed "On Hold", notes should be left on the talk page and there should be a consensus reached. Over three weeks have passed since this article was placed on hold. Be bold and either fail or pass it. The article can always be renominated at a later date. Keep up the good work. Zuracech lordum
If you revert my conversion to redirect please commit to making this an acceptable article. -- allen四 names 18:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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It shows up in the article 21 times and makes for an annoying read. 76.2.28.13 10:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Building on the above, would anyone like to have a go at tidying up the currently largely awful language and general structure without affecting the content? This would be very appreciated. For some reason I can't muster any interest myself, which would render any effort subpar. Thanks in advance for any help. Dave ( talk) 01:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
"Ryoga moved, (to catch/stop Mikado Sanzenin) and far more impressively, then hurled two enormous buoying blocks of ice, with an approximate total weight of roughly 250 to 700 metric tons"
The sitation states that the math was got 'By comparing with the almost 2m tall 'tiny' Mikado, with an estimated total weight of between 1.5m*8m*25m*917kg/m^3=275*10^3kg and 2.5m*10m*30m*917kg/m^3=687*10^3kg.'
I'm not sure if the math itself is off, but the choice of source page was a grave error. This page is after Ryoga already threw the ice pieces he lifted, (page 63 of volume 4, I believe) and you can't tell which of the ice pieces shown are the ones Ryoga threw and which ones were hurled into the air by the resulting splash. In fact, it could very well be that the two ice pieces Ryoga hurled aren't even shown, and are instead submerged, and all the ice pieces shown on this page were hurled into the air from the impact. You can clearly see that the water splash reached the top of the page, and considering the pool they are in should be full of ice chunks, its unreasonable to think Ryoga managed to find the only area of open water to hurl those icebergs.
The page that should have been used for this calculation is page 58, which is a nice frame of just Ranma, Ryoga and the two ice chunks he lifts in the next few pages. Using my own mediocre math skills (and using Ranma-chan's torso as the measuring stick) I'd say they are more likely to be in the 10 to 20 ton range, maybe more than that since the entire ice blocks aren't shown. However, 250 to 700 metric tons is absolutely ludicrious. If Ryoga could lift that much, he'd be able to wield a bus like it were a baseball bat. And if Ryoga is that strong, then how strong would that make Lime? Ryoga himself considers Lime to have a strength that is beyond human limits. At the very least, that would require Lime to have 2 to 4 times the strength of Ryoga, which would be obscene even by anime standards.
Also, Mikado Sanzenin being nerly 2 meters tall? That can't be right. He'd be basketball material if he were that big, what's he doing ice skating? -Ryo-Wolf Wednesday, May 9th, 2007.
This is also consistent with times Azusa is next to him who is also head and shoulders below him. However, the male height measure is really weird. It's like Takahashi decided he was head and shoulders over everyone, regardless of their height as Ranma is also shown to be about head and shoulders to Akane who is equal to Azusa, but is head and shoulder below to Mikado in 176 and 177 shots even when the perspective changed. Page 178 seems to be the best between Ranma-kun and Mikado where Ranma-kun are in the same perspective and Ranma is up to Mikado's eyes which makes more sense with other characters relative heights, although even here they are slightly tilted over as they challenge each other. Obviously if she was using assistants for this stuff they messed up pretty bad between panels. Derekloffin 19:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, been doing some math based on the chart I have, and did some estimates: Using Ranma-kun at 5'10", Tofu comes out to 6'7" tall which is a bit tall. Likewise for Ranma-kun at 5'8" Tofu is 6'5" and Ranma-kun at 5'6" Tofu is 6'3" (Tofu is the tallest character save Genma-panda on the chart). 6'7" for Tofu seems high, 5'6" for Ranma seems low, so using 5'8" figures, Ranma-chan is 4'8", Akane is 4'10.5", and Kuno is 6". I didn't realize Ranma-chan was quite that small. Derekloffin 22:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Just for reference sake, the measurements were (all in cm at the same magnification): 17.7 Tofu, 17.5 Soun, 16.6 Kuno, 16.1 Genma, 15.6 Ranma-kun, 15.5 Kasumi, 15.0 Nabiki, 13.5 Akane and 13 for Ranma-chan. I was assuming Ranma-kun's height and computing the others from that via ratio. Derekloffin 22:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I've never touched the article itself or the images in it, so I don't know what you are insinuating with your comment about returning every two months to see if you're not here. The reason I show up so sparsely is simply because I don't venture to wikipedia very often and often forget this article even exists. The only reason I posted the above was because someone quoted wikipedia at me while trying to argue that Ryoga could lift a house and throw it at someone. To put it simply, Wikipedia is used as a source for quite a few people. Even assuming that ice fragment is the one that Ryoga threw, I still don't understand how you could have accurately measured it with the sound effect obscuring half the page. The page source is unreliable for that reason alone, even without the other factors coming into play. I'm not going to edit the article and I probably won't respond to the discussion any further, but I hope your strength assessment is eventually replaced with one that is more reliable. -Ryo-Wolf 17:03 26 February 2008 (PST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.150.173 ( talk)
All right. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I seem to have been tired the day I wrote that and skimmed through your post. In any case, I agree that it makes sense that Ryoga threw both boulders as he held one in each hand and that it makes sense that the smaller ones near the bottom of the image would be previously loosened ones pushed up from the impact, but going by the throwing path only one of them is seen on-screen, which is what we have to work with, and the ones near the top definitely seem to be fragmenting from the larger mass that Mikado is stuck to. The range (400-1000 tonnes) is kept very wide strictly because the gauge is inprecise, but maybe it should be adjusted back to 250-700 tonnes, or somesuch instead? Feel free to make your own higher-/lower-end approximations. The current panorama frame is of higher resolution, so anyone can check. Dave ( talk) 20:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I do not think most of them were improvements. I'll be referencing this[ [1]]
The first changed sentence is "Due to it being partially his fault that Ryoga became a piglet in the first place, and given that Ryouga has no lecherous intentions and makes Akane happy Ranma has kept secret about P-chan's identity, but sometimes "subtly" hints to Akane about it to provoke Ryouga."
This is speculation, since the series never shows Ranma thinking or stating his reasons for not revealing Ryouga's secret. Second, it's wrong in stating Ryoga has 'no lecherous intentions'. In the Hot Springs Race, Ryoga as a human tries to spy on akane while she's bathing. Third, it appears to be saying provoking Ryoga is the only reason Ranma is hinting. That's making an assumption about Ranma and deliberately not consdiering any other possible reasons. Finally, this is not NPOV, it's assuming the best of Ryoga, even when the manga shows he's very fallible in this area, and the worst of Ranma.
The second changed sentence is better - " Ryouga's anger quickly lessens with time, first into a fierce rivalry, then into a tense competition, then into uneasy allies and finally on friendly enough terms to risk his life to save Ranma, and being much more relaxed in general due to his girlfriend Akari, but the competition between the two will likely remain forever."
While relations between Ranma and Ryoga do improve over the series, they do not go as smoothly as this depicts, with both regressing at times. Ryoga goes so far as to ambush and betray Ranma in the Musk Dynasty story, potentially leaving Ranma trapped forever as a girl. Also, saying Akari has any part in improvement is speculation, and on shaky ground considering how much of the improvement in the relationship occured before her introduction.
I'll post more comments as I have time. Edward321 00:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice job updating this page. My only complaint is the insertion of volume and chapter locations in the article. It would be better if they were done as footnote-type references instead so as not to break up the continuity. Zwaksman 14:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Ryoga is one of the most proficient martial artists in the Ranmaverse, roughly but not quite comparable to Ranma, though he's defeated or fought Ranma to a draw on many occasions
Is it just me, or is he really comparable to Ranma? I mean, in the manga he was only beaten once by Ranma, and all the other times they were equal. So I remove the bold part. 212.162.178.238 16:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Volume 4: Chapter 13, Cologne ends up standing on water with Soun Tendo commenting that "For a true master of martial arts... it's possible to find a foothold even on a single twig floating on water!" Ice Rink battle: Ryoga stands on floating Ranma while holding up two boulders of ice, and Azusa clining to him. Just wanted to add that. S — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:4500:32D0:2998:1BAC:7B53:54B7 ( talk) 22:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Given the 46-53 explicit references I've put into it, shouldn't this page be A-class by now? Dave 11:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
You'd have to have the article reassessed and go through a peer review it looks like; personally I haven't taken something beyond B, so I'm not sure if you nominate it for GA or A status or delete the B rating so it gets kicked again into the unassessed category. -- BrokenSphere 14:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that this article's up for GAC, and I've put it on hold. For a model for a GA-class character page, you might like to look at Ami Mizuno and Talk:Ami Mizuno. The prose could use a copyedit, especially as regards in-universe prose and grammar. There are some places where it gets too detailed as well - "He is not lecherous, however - being hugged against Akane's cleavage when she is in a state of undress will cause the shy Ryoga to nosebleed and faint." could be changed to "He is not lecherous, however - being hugged by Akane can cause the shy Ryoga to nosebleed and faint." The lead desperately needs expanding, because each section of the article should be represented in a sentence or paragraph in the lead. This: "1.5 m*8 m*25 m*917 kg/m^3=275*10^3 kg" needs cleanup as well. Each citation needs an ISBN - this can help the reader find the original book, as well as tell them whether you've used the English translation or the original, etc. you may wish to investigate {{ cite book}}, filling in as much as you can. Each image needs a detailed fair use rationale, and the lead image could use shrinking. If you disagree with my decision to put the article on hold, please feel free to take it to good article review. I've also run a MOS bot through the page to give you some ideas of where it falls down in the MOS. The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of undefined, use undefined undefined, which when you are editing the page, should look like: undefined undefined.
[?]You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Malkinann 11:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
"In-universe" is treating the character as though he's real. Rather than saying "Ryoga first met Ranma in junior high" (which is what is in the article), say "Ryoga was introduced in chapter x as having first met Ranma in junior high". Ami Mizuno, which is a Good Article about a manga/anime character, has a few examples of how to do "out of universe" writing, which is preferred. Estimated things like height are always iffy - the reasons why they've been allowed to survive on the pages for the Sailor Senshi are that they're cited, and that if they're removed, they are promptly re-added by anons.- Malkinann 11:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Trivia sections tend to attract WP:CRUFT - if the trivia is truly awesome, it can find a home in the main body of an article, not stuck at the end.- Malkinann 11:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I've also put a list to prose request on Ryoga's techniques. All of your images still need a detailed fair use rationale. This is an essential copyright-compliance thing on Wikipedia, and it needs taking care of. As a whole, I'd suggest that in a week, if this still fails the GA criteria, that you should wait until you feel refreshed and put it up for Wikipedia:Peer review to get some further ideas on how to improve it. - Malkinann 11:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The original uploaders of the 2 speedy delete image candidates are not currently active; in the case of the infobox uploader, they haven't contributed since 2005. Given the image's size and the need to resize it, it may be better to put a screenshot of Ryoga on there and let the current image get deleted. If it's felt that the current P-chan image should be kept, the fair use rationale that I put in for my manga pic can be used as a model. Otherwise, a new one can be uploaded and the current one left to be deleted. -- BrokenSphere 22:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are the ISBN numbers for the Swedish pocket-manga volumes used as references, if anyone would be willing to help me out pasting them into the appropriate footnotes:
1: ISBN 9789172694002 2: ISBN 9789172694019 3: ISBN 9789172694026 4: ISBN 9789172694507 5: ISBN 9789172694514 6: ISBN 9789172694521 7: ISBN 9789172694538 8: ISBN 9789172694545 9: ISBN 9789172695122 10: ISBN 9789172695139 11: ISBN 9789172695146 12: ISBN 9789172695153 13: ISBN 9789172695160 14: ISBN 9789172695177 15: ISBN 9789171340719 16: ISBN 9789171340726 17: ISBN 9789171340733 18: ISBN 9789171340740 19: ISBN 9789171340757 20: ISBN 9789171340764 21: ISBN 9789171340771 22: ISBN 9789171341563 23: ISBN 9789171341570 24: ISBN 9789171341587 25: ISBN 9789171341594 26: ISBN 9789171341600 27: ISBN 9789171342508 28: ISBN 9789171342515 29: ISBN 9789171342522 30: ISBN 9789171342539 31: ISBN 9789171342546 32: ISBN 9789171342553 33: ISBN 9789171343239 34: ISBN 9789171343246 35: ISBN 9789171343253 36: ISBN 9789171343260 37: ISBN 9789171343277 38: ISBN 9789171343284
I'm still not certain if it's a good idea to refer non-fluent visitors to order them though, and am likevise not sure how the 'I also checked with a mostly identical/apparently reliable fan-translation I downloaded from a bittorrent archive' bit should be referred. Oh well. Dave 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I modified this to a much smaller (150x228 pixels) size as requested to make it qualify as fair use, but don't know how to tighten the actual display on this page. Help would be appreciated, given that it currently looks too indistinct to properly make out. Dave 14:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Have we managed to improve the noted problems to an acceptable level by now? Dave 13:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this article, they way it is now, could become WP:GA. It is mostly a plot summary...
I'd recommend finding info on the character creation,
A section of his portrayal on the anime, not just jumbled with the rest of the text
Better sources, not only the manga but interviews, reviews, anything else.
Some wording must be fixed. Lines like "When we first meet him", "Ryoga is one of the most proficient martial artists in his world" and "Ryoga is possibly the most miserable character in the entire series" need to be changed to a WP:NPOV.
There's a thing as too detailed. I believe if reading a Wikipedia article on "X" work serves as an alternative to actually reading or watching "X", then the article must be trimmed, badly.-- Nohansen 19:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Two general points:
On some sections:
Info that could be added (if found):
That's off the top of my head. If I think of anything better, I'll let you know.
I've read rumors of a "Ranma" or "Rumiko Takahashi" taskforce to work en masse in these articles. I wonder, what happened with that?-- Nohansen 15:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I checked up the spoiler description and given the text "Unacceptable alternatives: Deleting relevant, neutral and verifiable information about a narrative work from Wikipedia "because it's a spoiler" instead of properly applying spoiler templates." it seems like this is the path we should follow, instead of cutting out verifiable information.
In any case, I find the currect format somewhat clunky by nature, since it doesn't use an automatic hide/display function, rather than simple warnings. The former mode was briefly shown here, which is how I noticed it, but later deactivated when I tried to display each topic head but hide the text. Given that I couldn't find a description at the above 'spoiler-page', does anyone know how to modify them to work in this manner, without the centered text display shown in Shampoo's profile when this function was activated. Or do I simply have browser trouble? Dave 22:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
When an article is placed "On Hold", notes should be left on the talk page and there should be a consensus reached. Over three weeks have passed since this article was placed on hold. Be bold and either fail or pass it. The article can always be renominated at a later date. Keep up the good work. Zuracech lordum
If you revert my conversion to redirect please commit to making this an acceptable article. -- allen四 names 18:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)