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The list of fansites really doesn't belong here. Not only does the first one listed push software at you (which is extremely unfriendly), but none of these sites is really relevant to the encyclopedic topic. Wikipedia is not a link farm, and you may not use Wikipedia as a nice way to get referrers to your favorite non-notable webpage. I see I was reverted, so I'm only going to remove it once more today, but I urge y'all to stop adding these. Besides, I'm tired of getting complaints about them. Your friendly info-en@wikipedia.org email responder, Kelly Martin ( talk) 19:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I posted a TON of stuff on scamming in RuneScape, as it always happens and is a Major problem. Next thing I know, it's gone. Where'd it go? Post response on User:Poorleno p00rleno 21:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Poorleno
i think that the players should find out how not to gt scammed on their own!! flare mage22
dishonest practice plagues every single MMO game in the world, and going into detail with regards to Runescape scamming would be unnecessary, and going against WP:NOT
If we were to list one site with tips to not get scammed then we would have to do it for every MMORPG in the entire world and I am not going to do it so no this site should not contain info on how not to get scammed because it would bring about to many complaints saying "why have you not added scamming controles on our site" and I think we all dont want to be bugged by that!! flare mage22
do we need to put it in the artical? Rdunn 19:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I'd let everyone know there's a RuneScape Wiki at this address.
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
i need to know where to find the links for the stratigy guides are. for the reason that me and my friend were thinking of making one ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!
just add the link to the end of this disscution thx steven user: flare mage22
I have noticed that there are images straight from the RuneScape.com site being uploaded into Wikipedia and placed into these articles. While normally I wouldn't mind this, I have managed to come across this article from RuneScape.com: http://kbase.runescape.com/lang/en/aff/runescape/viewarticle.ws?article_id=2421
I may be misinterpreting the article, but it says that nobody should take images from the RuneScape.com site other than the ones provided. The following images seem to violate this:
Image:TzTok-Jad.JPG
Image:Zamorak.jpg
I have also noticed that there are an awful lot of suspicious looking images that looks like they were taken from a fansite, particularly items with transparencies. The following images seem to look like they came from a site like Tip.it, RuneHQ, or maybe even RuneScape.com itself, and they currently seem to only serve a purpose as fancruft in the articles from what I have seen:
Image:Diskreturning.gif
Image:Halfjugwine.gif
Image:Horse1.gif
Image:Horse2.gif
Image:Horse3.gif
Image:Horse4.gif
Image:PurpleRunite.png
Image:Sleepingbag.png
Image:Spinplate.gif
Image:Yinyang.gif
I think these images should be removed from the articles and placed on IfD, but I would like for everyone's opinions on the matter firsthand.
Tarikochi Gallery Criticize 23:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
lol I just edited the artical to include info about zezima and it was deleted about 1 minute later.
Ok people, this page gets vandalised about 10 times a day, almost certainly by unregistered members. Let's just put aside the wiki-stance for this article and get an admin to protect it? The high maintainance is really not worth all that effort. RZ heretic 04:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, as long as the protection is limited to only the RuneScape article, as that one faces the most vandalism. I've seen other articles faced a nice amount of vandalism, but not as much as the main one. Restricting every single page from the RuneScape series would just slow down necessary updates in my point of view. I see no hinder in protecting the main RuneScape article. Tarikochi Gallery Criticize 05:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Update: Ok, the page has been put up on request page for protection. RZ heretic 22:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The page has been denied protection (not enough vandalism) at this point. RZ heretic 07:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, that small percentage of good anonymous edits is something we're going to have to sacrifice. Since the semi-protection was added, there have been no negative edits to the article, which is nice compared to what it's been getting lately. If anonymous users want to add something in, they can ask on the talk page, or sign up and wait the 4-day period. Although we can get rid of users by IP banning them, most either proxy back on, or new vandals replace them - this is a more efficient way of preventing them. Agentscott00 04:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, the page is protected, which is supposed to allow logged-in users to edit it, correct? Then why can I not edit it? I am registered, I am logged in, and I have been around longer than four days. There is an incomplete sentence in the third paragraph and 123 servers at 2000 players per server is only 246,000 possible simultaneous players, not 250,000; this is driving me crazy!! Xela Yrag 18:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Image:Runescape monsters kingblackdragon.gif
Image:Runescape monsters kalphitequeen-1stform.gif
Image:Runescape monsters kalphitequeen-2ndform.gif
Image:Runescape randomevents swarm.gif
Image:Runescape randomevents drilldemon TEMPORARY.gif
Image:Runescape randomevents piratescombinationlock TEMPORARY.PNG
This time, I have managed to create some of my more very challenging pieces to add to the animating collection. I believe that my King Black Dragon and Kalphite Queen clips can entirely replace what images are in their corresponding articles right now.
Also, I have seen that articles such as Dagannoth, RuneScape holiday items, RuneScape monsters, RuneScape random events, and especially at this moment, the main RuneScape article, amongst others, can use images and clips from my gallery or other sources. There are many un-used images in my gallery that could easily fit into such situations, and if not that, can be created by someone else to fit in these situations.
I appreciate all the work that Hyenaste has done in spreading these images around, but I have yet to see at least one other person doing the same great job despite the opening of my gallery. There were those that were still complaining about the lack of images, so this gallery was supposed to solve this problem. Is there anyone else alongside Hyenaste who will spread these images around, seeing as how I'm refraining from adding them myself?
I still also take image requests in my talk page in case something specific is necessary for the job.
Please keep either my gallery and my talk page in mind, as it is very discouraging when it comes to the serious activity of the RuneScape article images to only by dealt with by one person.
Tarikochi Gallery Criticize 05:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_talk:RuneScape"
As so many people are saying things like "if not this one, then none", I have done my research and found [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Occasionally_acceptable_links this. It states linking to the largest site is acceptable. As this is Wikipedia's rules, I suggest we have a lengthy discussion on which Link, (yes link is meant to be singular) should stay. This Idea is enforced by Wikipedia's rules and will be able to bring a fansite back to the main page. J.J.Sagnella 21:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_talk:RuneScape"
Or for a second suggestion, Zybez could be removed as well leaving us with 2 sites. 2 sites are needed as on their own, neither site is complete. However with those 2 sites, virtually all information is there. There is reason to bend Wikipedia's rules slightly as RuneScape is the most edited Game on Wikipedia and due to it sheer popularity, 2 wouldn't be too much of a stretch. J.J.Sagnella 21:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
If we're talking "largest" based on amount of people and traffic, then I must say, from an objective point of view, RuneHQ is the "largest" RuneScape fansite around. The facts and evidence support this. However, if we're talking about which page is the second "largest", then there's a little room for debate. I'd say the two probably contenders (based on Alexa ratings, number of guides, content of guides, etc) would be Tip it and Sal's Realm. What if we were to include, say, the top three? Because, based on what you said about "on their own, neither site is complete", Sal's Realm arguably does have a number of guides that neither of the other two have. Feel free to comment on what I have just said. Dissentor 21:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, to state my views frankly, I don't think any fansites should be included in either the portal or the main page. To quote someone else:
Just my two centavos, I'll participate in the discussion on the main page if that's where it's heading. Dissentor 21:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC) (Taken from the Portal:RuneScape discussion page)
Dtm makes a good suggestion. That's a reasonable alternative to removing all of the fansites. Only including one or two fansites could be construed as a bias (in violation of NPOV) since the two are not head and shoulders above all others. Also, no fansite is officially recognized by Jagex so I think your interpretation of the rule "...including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such" is quite possibly faulty. Dissentor 21:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Fine, I agree. In that case, we should throw out all fansite links as they really aren't needed. Dissentor 21:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
And if you don't like toplists, there's always the directories like Google and Dmoz. Dtm142 23:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
You guys are making my head spin with this. I have to lean toward the side of either take them all out or leave all the "clean" ones in, and by "clean" I mean those that don't condone cheating and don't try to put spyware or other software on your computer as soon as you type in their URL. If I absolutely have to take one side, I would say take them all out. They are too easy to find to cause this to be a hardship to anyone, including the sites themselves.
Xela
20:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
So we're finally dropping this debacle? At last, this issue can come to a peaceful end. I'll go ahead and start a minor straw poll since there's a bit of confusion as to what has to happen with the links so vote below. My vote is...
Delete. Three reasons for this: 1. They raise tension as far as controversial advertisements. 2. They raise tension when it comes to account security. 3. It feels like the larger sites are only being acknowledged for being the largest, and the smaller sites are snuffed out due to low ratings on search engines or stat engines. Makoto 00:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete. As stated before, it might lead many to believe that those are the only one or two fansites that exist. Read up for further reasons that myself, Tarikochi, and Makoto have stated. Dissentor 02:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Add: I'm happy to finalise this as a straw poll, if we do it to the rules that an adminstrator will decide on the outcome, not the votes, much like an afd. Fansites should be added as it says in Wikipedia's rules and just because some people would like to get angry that their website won't get advertised and demand all links be removed, doesn't give them any argument whatsoever. People who have done this should read What Wikipedia is not. Here is a quote:"You may not host your own website, blog, or wiki at Wikipedia". I feel we are bending over backwards to meet a few people's desires and people are saying not to have the links "Not to raise tension". The two links are head and shoulders above the rest, both in content and in alexa and google ratings, the three Wikipedia tests for fansites. The idea is one which could easily work, follows Wikipedia's rules exactly, but if a Wikipedia adminstrator deems it unacceptable, Then the decision will have to be made in that way and I must step down from the argument. J.J.Sagnella 07:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete/don't add/burn/whatever. Finally this debate can go to rest. There should be no links on the portal or main article unless they are to directories. As for the other articles, we'll only have one relevent guide (whichever is the best and most complete) Dtm142 14:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete They're causing nothing but arguments here, and if a user wants to find a fan site so badly, they can use Google. We are an Encyclopedia, not a customer support team made to provide help. There are already enough game tools on the RuneScape website so that users can play without having major problems. Also, you keep referring to them as the "main two". Traffic ratings, what people think, etc. do not determine if they really are the main two; they show POVs and popularity - not how good the actual site is. I could go make a site with EVERYTHING imaginable, only get fifty users a month, and still be the best fansite. Would that make anyone else more special than me? Since they get more traffic, yes, but in regards to content, no. There are pros and cons to every website, trying to even them out and pick a couple is difficult, and is leading to slight favouritism. Agentscott00 00:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Not keen on the idea of having none. Though it seems that it goes against an "is not", it would be nice to have all that meet a certain quality threshold - to put a number on that threshold, for starters, any site that does not carry a complete (other than the very latest) quest guide set should be excluded. My own top 3 are: Tip.it, runehq and Sal's - Tip it fot most things, runehq for city guides and itemdb, and Sal's often has a different take on things (such as the Shield of Arrav quest). Ace of Risk 16:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete Agentscott pretty much summed up what I feel on the subject. Taste is subjective, an encyclopedia should not be.
Clq
21:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Comment Having those sites on here was a bad idea in the first place. What happened on Wednesdayjust confirms it. The administrator or password database is hacked one day, it has a keylogger the next. Looks like J.J.Sagnella has been outvoted. Unless someone else has something to add, we can leave it like this. Dtm142 19:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The decision was not to add the links to the main page.
http://www.tech-boards.com/index.php/topic,14800.0.html
These guys seriously need to get a life.
It's weird. You often see things vandalised by the side of the road, and wish it wouldn't happen. But you, or at least I, always think of it as a crime of opportunity; a whim for the excitement. I'd never before thought of people actually deciding rationally and communally - and it has to be said, rather boringly - to deliberately go vandalise something (unless they had a political point to make, but that's a different issue altogether). It's very strange. Cain Mosni 17:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
You know, I just started watching these pages, and working on them, and I am utterly amazed at the amount of vandalism that occurs in a day's time. How in the world have you, the core group, kept up with it? How many times does someone have to vandalize before they can be permanently banned? I'm just shocked!!! Xela 20:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
you must not forget however that there are some algarhythms that can pass these adress blockers. i my self have found hackers using very little energy and are still geting in with already made algarhythms. flare mage22
Hi, everyone. I would like to take just a few seconds of your precious time to introduce myself and to state my intentions. LOL. I am Xela Yrag (yes, it's my RuneScape user name - seemed appropriate), and I am the one who's been making all those little grammatical changes. Sorry, guys, but it's a real "thing" with me, especially the that/which ones. My goals are consistency, grammatical correctness (and no, I am not an English teacher), neutrality, and relevance. I hope that is in keeping with the overall goals of the core people involved with this series of articles. I haven't done anything really major yet, but I am sincerely hoping that these articles do not get protected. Some of them need some major work! I am still learning all the "tools of the trade", so please bear with me until I figure out how to add a description and all the other little things that will make it easier for all of us to see what is going on.
[RuneScape]'s article size is currently 33.8kB long, something should be done to make it a bit shorter to fit with the style guide on [WP:SIZE]. Should we cut down on a few sections and split them into more external articles? We don't need to rush this immediately, since 1.8kB over isn't that big a big deal, but the article size will gradually increase even more. I have removed the strikeout on the "shorten the article" line on the to-do list for the time being, anyone may re-add it if they feel it isn't neccessary. Thoughts on the matter? Agentscott00 00:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no real worry about the size at this time because the only thing that it will do is to make the page take 0.013 seconds longer than normal (per Kb) so its not that bad!! flare mage22
Should sigmaking and its rs market on how they affected RS be involved in this article?
I haven't seen any discussion about gender neutrality here. I have, however, seen a lot of the singular "they" being used, along with he or she and he/she. I think we need to decide on a consistent approach to this, and I propose that we use he/she as it is the shortest (other than s/he, which I despise). If there is no problem with that, I will set out to make it happen as appropriate. Xela 12:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree that "the player" or "players" (or a more descriptive noun) is best, but in some situations, it sounds so, well, formal, even stilted, and the sentence just begs for a pronoun. I'll reword if possible, and use "he or she" when I can't get around it. Xela Yrag 18:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
You all have for gotten NPC's too so i do think that great puffin was right and i think that we should be using "player" rather than any other combination. flare mage22
Someone replaced Runescape with 'Runescape is gay' every time it is mentioned in this article. I am trying to change it back. If I have missed anything please fix it.
Akroy
I also noticed that Jayex has been replaced with Gayex. I will try to fix this also.
Akroy
there is one thing that i found that has gotten past the eye of jagex!!!!
if you were to put *** in front of a "foul language word" and then *** after it then it does not star the word out. i know this because a player calld imteman45 put (***gay***) and it did not star the word out. i think someone should make this known in the language section!! thx flare mage22
Everytime I add a Cricism even if its well founded it get deleted. Whats up? Cant legimate argument get in? ( Koolsen 18:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
I find you have virtually none.... the page is very pro-Runescape which I can understand but the Criticsm page is virtually empty... and its not just my opinion but many people that I know have the same opinion. So let it be ( Koolsen 18:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
Okay fine its good ( Koolsen 18:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
... Ive even heard people in game talk of how all the quests are variants of fetch quests. This article potrays Runescape as some godly game it needs a wider criticsm section. Right now it seems even the criticsm section is a shining review of the game ( Koolsen 00:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
wait.... Thats the worst reason not to include it Ive ever heard! Should I say we shouldnt have an article about Runescape because its not useful and way too specific? Sheesh ( Koolsen 17:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
Wait so how is saying "RuneScape is an MMORPG comparable to Guild Wars and Everquest." neutral? Many people would not find it comparable to these games. It doesnt even have the same playstyle as combat oriented Guild Wars. IT should say something like similar in style to Everquest. Sheesh. ( Koolsen 23:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
In any case World of Warcraft would be better in style than Guild Wars. Combat Oriented vs. Skill Oriented.
I wanna edit without making a username like you losers. GIVE ME MY RIGHTS!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.109.206.88 ( talk • contribs) .
So how long is this block gonna last newbs? I wanna EDIT again!
to tell you the truth none of us like u and we hate ur guts go vandalise some other page not ours. and ur the noob not us cause u dont even have a name!!!! flare mage22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.3.63.254 ( talk • contribs) .
If you were refering to me jj you are dead wrong i do have a account even thouch it might not be much!! flare mage22 I WANNA EDIT!!!!!!!!!!
Well ever since the page got sprotected, it seems the article has been improved greatly. It should be semiprotected more often, hahaha. Too bad its against Wikipedia rules. Wikipeedio 14:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi guys. I have made a proposal for a decision about fansite links. It applies for this article, the portal, and the rest of the series. Please help me by voting on it. Thank you. Dtm142 23:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Since i can't really edit it, i was wondering if some can... If some one can add that "You can freely change from any of the three combat styles anytime you please." why? since i thought this is one of teh aspects that makes runescape stand out of other games
I would like to add Runescape video as one of the external link . see http:// runescapefanclub.com/video.html . I think viewers will appreciate that they can see an overview of Runescape. please advice Dina der 10:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
However, if a player is forcibly logged out of the game due to a timeout or loses his/her internet connection in some way, the character remains in the game I'm just wondering how your character could remain in the game if it is logged out -- pevarnj ( t/ c/ @) 20:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
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The list of fansites really doesn't belong here. Not only does the first one listed push software at you (which is extremely unfriendly), but none of these sites is really relevant to the encyclopedic topic. Wikipedia is not a link farm, and you may not use Wikipedia as a nice way to get referrers to your favorite non-notable webpage. I see I was reverted, so I'm only going to remove it once more today, but I urge y'all to stop adding these. Besides, I'm tired of getting complaints about them. Your friendly info-en@wikipedia.org email responder, Kelly Martin ( talk) 19:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I posted a TON of stuff on scamming in RuneScape, as it always happens and is a Major problem. Next thing I know, it's gone. Where'd it go? Post response on User:Poorleno p00rleno 21:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Poorleno
i think that the players should find out how not to gt scammed on their own!! flare mage22
dishonest practice plagues every single MMO game in the world, and going into detail with regards to Runescape scamming would be unnecessary, and going against WP:NOT
If we were to list one site with tips to not get scammed then we would have to do it for every MMORPG in the entire world and I am not going to do it so no this site should not contain info on how not to get scammed because it would bring about to many complaints saying "why have you not added scamming controles on our site" and I think we all dont want to be bugged by that!! flare mage22
do we need to put it in the artical? Rdunn 19:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I'd let everyone know there's a RuneScape Wiki at this address.
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
i need to know where to find the links for the stratigy guides are. for the reason that me and my friend were thinking of making one ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!
just add the link to the end of this disscution thx steven user: flare mage22
I have noticed that there are images straight from the RuneScape.com site being uploaded into Wikipedia and placed into these articles. While normally I wouldn't mind this, I have managed to come across this article from RuneScape.com: http://kbase.runescape.com/lang/en/aff/runescape/viewarticle.ws?article_id=2421
I may be misinterpreting the article, but it says that nobody should take images from the RuneScape.com site other than the ones provided. The following images seem to violate this:
Image:TzTok-Jad.JPG
Image:Zamorak.jpg
I have also noticed that there are an awful lot of suspicious looking images that looks like they were taken from a fansite, particularly items with transparencies. The following images seem to look like they came from a site like Tip.it, RuneHQ, or maybe even RuneScape.com itself, and they currently seem to only serve a purpose as fancruft in the articles from what I have seen:
Image:Diskreturning.gif
Image:Halfjugwine.gif
Image:Horse1.gif
Image:Horse2.gif
Image:Horse3.gif
Image:Horse4.gif
Image:PurpleRunite.png
Image:Sleepingbag.png
Image:Spinplate.gif
Image:Yinyang.gif
I think these images should be removed from the articles and placed on IfD, but I would like for everyone's opinions on the matter firsthand.
Tarikochi Gallery Criticize 23:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
lol I just edited the artical to include info about zezima and it was deleted about 1 minute later.
Ok people, this page gets vandalised about 10 times a day, almost certainly by unregistered members. Let's just put aside the wiki-stance for this article and get an admin to protect it? The high maintainance is really not worth all that effort. RZ heretic 04:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, as long as the protection is limited to only the RuneScape article, as that one faces the most vandalism. I've seen other articles faced a nice amount of vandalism, but not as much as the main one. Restricting every single page from the RuneScape series would just slow down necessary updates in my point of view. I see no hinder in protecting the main RuneScape article. Tarikochi Gallery Criticize 05:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Update: Ok, the page has been put up on request page for protection. RZ heretic 22:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The page has been denied protection (not enough vandalism) at this point. RZ heretic 07:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, that small percentage of good anonymous edits is something we're going to have to sacrifice. Since the semi-protection was added, there have been no negative edits to the article, which is nice compared to what it's been getting lately. If anonymous users want to add something in, they can ask on the talk page, or sign up and wait the 4-day period. Although we can get rid of users by IP banning them, most either proxy back on, or new vandals replace them - this is a more efficient way of preventing them. Agentscott00 04:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, the page is protected, which is supposed to allow logged-in users to edit it, correct? Then why can I not edit it? I am registered, I am logged in, and I have been around longer than four days. There is an incomplete sentence in the third paragraph and 123 servers at 2000 players per server is only 246,000 possible simultaneous players, not 250,000; this is driving me crazy!! Xela Yrag 18:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Image:Runescape monsters kingblackdragon.gif
Image:Runescape monsters kalphitequeen-1stform.gif
Image:Runescape monsters kalphitequeen-2ndform.gif
Image:Runescape randomevents swarm.gif
Image:Runescape randomevents drilldemon TEMPORARY.gif
Image:Runescape randomevents piratescombinationlock TEMPORARY.PNG
This time, I have managed to create some of my more very challenging pieces to add to the animating collection. I believe that my King Black Dragon and Kalphite Queen clips can entirely replace what images are in their corresponding articles right now.
Also, I have seen that articles such as Dagannoth, RuneScape holiday items, RuneScape monsters, RuneScape random events, and especially at this moment, the main RuneScape article, amongst others, can use images and clips from my gallery or other sources. There are many un-used images in my gallery that could easily fit into such situations, and if not that, can be created by someone else to fit in these situations.
I appreciate all the work that Hyenaste has done in spreading these images around, but I have yet to see at least one other person doing the same great job despite the opening of my gallery. There were those that were still complaining about the lack of images, so this gallery was supposed to solve this problem. Is there anyone else alongside Hyenaste who will spread these images around, seeing as how I'm refraining from adding them myself?
I still also take image requests in my talk page in case something specific is necessary for the job.
Please keep either my gallery and my talk page in mind, as it is very discouraging when it comes to the serious activity of the RuneScape article images to only by dealt with by one person.
Tarikochi Gallery Criticize 05:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_talk:RuneScape"
As so many people are saying things like "if not this one, then none", I have done my research and found [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Occasionally_acceptable_links this. It states linking to the largest site is acceptable. As this is Wikipedia's rules, I suggest we have a lengthy discussion on which Link, (yes link is meant to be singular) should stay. This Idea is enforced by Wikipedia's rules and will be able to bring a fansite back to the main page. J.J.Sagnella 21:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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Or for a second suggestion, Zybez could be removed as well leaving us with 2 sites. 2 sites are needed as on their own, neither site is complete. However with those 2 sites, virtually all information is there. There is reason to bend Wikipedia's rules slightly as RuneScape is the most edited Game on Wikipedia and due to it sheer popularity, 2 wouldn't be too much of a stretch. J.J.Sagnella 21:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
If we're talking "largest" based on amount of people and traffic, then I must say, from an objective point of view, RuneHQ is the "largest" RuneScape fansite around. The facts and evidence support this. However, if we're talking about which page is the second "largest", then there's a little room for debate. I'd say the two probably contenders (based on Alexa ratings, number of guides, content of guides, etc) would be Tip it and Sal's Realm. What if we were to include, say, the top three? Because, based on what you said about "on their own, neither site is complete", Sal's Realm arguably does have a number of guides that neither of the other two have. Feel free to comment on what I have just said. Dissentor 21:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, to state my views frankly, I don't think any fansites should be included in either the portal or the main page. To quote someone else:
Just my two centavos, I'll participate in the discussion on the main page if that's where it's heading. Dissentor 21:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC) (Taken from the Portal:RuneScape discussion page)
Dtm makes a good suggestion. That's a reasonable alternative to removing all of the fansites. Only including one or two fansites could be construed as a bias (in violation of NPOV) since the two are not head and shoulders above all others. Also, no fansite is officially recognized by Jagex so I think your interpretation of the rule "...including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such" is quite possibly faulty. Dissentor 21:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Fine, I agree. In that case, we should throw out all fansite links as they really aren't needed. Dissentor 21:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
And if you don't like toplists, there's always the directories like Google and Dmoz. Dtm142 23:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
You guys are making my head spin with this. I have to lean toward the side of either take them all out or leave all the "clean" ones in, and by "clean" I mean those that don't condone cheating and don't try to put spyware or other software on your computer as soon as you type in their URL. If I absolutely have to take one side, I would say take them all out. They are too easy to find to cause this to be a hardship to anyone, including the sites themselves.
Xela
20:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
So we're finally dropping this debacle? At last, this issue can come to a peaceful end. I'll go ahead and start a minor straw poll since there's a bit of confusion as to what has to happen with the links so vote below. My vote is...
Delete. Three reasons for this: 1. They raise tension as far as controversial advertisements. 2. They raise tension when it comes to account security. 3. It feels like the larger sites are only being acknowledged for being the largest, and the smaller sites are snuffed out due to low ratings on search engines or stat engines. Makoto 00:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete. As stated before, it might lead many to believe that those are the only one or two fansites that exist. Read up for further reasons that myself, Tarikochi, and Makoto have stated. Dissentor 02:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Add: I'm happy to finalise this as a straw poll, if we do it to the rules that an adminstrator will decide on the outcome, not the votes, much like an afd. Fansites should be added as it says in Wikipedia's rules and just because some people would like to get angry that their website won't get advertised and demand all links be removed, doesn't give them any argument whatsoever. People who have done this should read What Wikipedia is not. Here is a quote:"You may not host your own website, blog, or wiki at Wikipedia". I feel we are bending over backwards to meet a few people's desires and people are saying not to have the links "Not to raise tension". The two links are head and shoulders above the rest, both in content and in alexa and google ratings, the three Wikipedia tests for fansites. The idea is one which could easily work, follows Wikipedia's rules exactly, but if a Wikipedia adminstrator deems it unacceptable, Then the decision will have to be made in that way and I must step down from the argument. J.J.Sagnella 07:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete/don't add/burn/whatever. Finally this debate can go to rest. There should be no links on the portal or main article unless they are to directories. As for the other articles, we'll only have one relevent guide (whichever is the best and most complete) Dtm142 14:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete They're causing nothing but arguments here, and if a user wants to find a fan site so badly, they can use Google. We are an Encyclopedia, not a customer support team made to provide help. There are already enough game tools on the RuneScape website so that users can play without having major problems. Also, you keep referring to them as the "main two". Traffic ratings, what people think, etc. do not determine if they really are the main two; they show POVs and popularity - not how good the actual site is. I could go make a site with EVERYTHING imaginable, only get fifty users a month, and still be the best fansite. Would that make anyone else more special than me? Since they get more traffic, yes, but in regards to content, no. There are pros and cons to every website, trying to even them out and pick a couple is difficult, and is leading to slight favouritism. Agentscott00 00:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Not keen on the idea of having none. Though it seems that it goes against an "is not", it would be nice to have all that meet a certain quality threshold - to put a number on that threshold, for starters, any site that does not carry a complete (other than the very latest) quest guide set should be excluded. My own top 3 are: Tip.it, runehq and Sal's - Tip it fot most things, runehq for city guides and itemdb, and Sal's often has a different take on things (such as the Shield of Arrav quest). Ace of Risk 16:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete Agentscott pretty much summed up what I feel on the subject. Taste is subjective, an encyclopedia should not be.
Clq
21:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Comment Having those sites on here was a bad idea in the first place. What happened on Wednesdayjust confirms it. The administrator or password database is hacked one day, it has a keylogger the next. Looks like J.J.Sagnella has been outvoted. Unless someone else has something to add, we can leave it like this. Dtm142 19:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The decision was not to add the links to the main page.
http://www.tech-boards.com/index.php/topic,14800.0.html
These guys seriously need to get a life.
It's weird. You often see things vandalised by the side of the road, and wish it wouldn't happen. But you, or at least I, always think of it as a crime of opportunity; a whim for the excitement. I'd never before thought of people actually deciding rationally and communally - and it has to be said, rather boringly - to deliberately go vandalise something (unless they had a political point to make, but that's a different issue altogether). It's very strange. Cain Mosni 17:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
You know, I just started watching these pages, and working on them, and I am utterly amazed at the amount of vandalism that occurs in a day's time. How in the world have you, the core group, kept up with it? How many times does someone have to vandalize before they can be permanently banned? I'm just shocked!!! Xela 20:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
you must not forget however that there are some algarhythms that can pass these adress blockers. i my self have found hackers using very little energy and are still geting in with already made algarhythms. flare mage22
Hi, everyone. I would like to take just a few seconds of your precious time to introduce myself and to state my intentions. LOL. I am Xela Yrag (yes, it's my RuneScape user name - seemed appropriate), and I am the one who's been making all those little grammatical changes. Sorry, guys, but it's a real "thing" with me, especially the that/which ones. My goals are consistency, grammatical correctness (and no, I am not an English teacher), neutrality, and relevance. I hope that is in keeping with the overall goals of the core people involved with this series of articles. I haven't done anything really major yet, but I am sincerely hoping that these articles do not get protected. Some of them need some major work! I am still learning all the "tools of the trade", so please bear with me until I figure out how to add a description and all the other little things that will make it easier for all of us to see what is going on.
[RuneScape]'s article size is currently 33.8kB long, something should be done to make it a bit shorter to fit with the style guide on [WP:SIZE]. Should we cut down on a few sections and split them into more external articles? We don't need to rush this immediately, since 1.8kB over isn't that big a big deal, but the article size will gradually increase even more. I have removed the strikeout on the "shorten the article" line on the to-do list for the time being, anyone may re-add it if they feel it isn't neccessary. Thoughts on the matter? Agentscott00 00:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no real worry about the size at this time because the only thing that it will do is to make the page take 0.013 seconds longer than normal (per Kb) so its not that bad!! flare mage22
Should sigmaking and its rs market on how they affected RS be involved in this article?
I haven't seen any discussion about gender neutrality here. I have, however, seen a lot of the singular "they" being used, along with he or she and he/she. I think we need to decide on a consistent approach to this, and I propose that we use he/she as it is the shortest (other than s/he, which I despise). If there is no problem with that, I will set out to make it happen as appropriate. Xela 12:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree that "the player" or "players" (or a more descriptive noun) is best, but in some situations, it sounds so, well, formal, even stilted, and the sentence just begs for a pronoun. I'll reword if possible, and use "he or she" when I can't get around it. Xela Yrag 18:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
You all have for gotten NPC's too so i do think that great puffin was right and i think that we should be using "player" rather than any other combination. flare mage22
Someone replaced Runescape with 'Runescape is gay' every time it is mentioned in this article. I am trying to change it back. If I have missed anything please fix it.
Akroy
I also noticed that Jayex has been replaced with Gayex. I will try to fix this also.
Akroy
there is one thing that i found that has gotten past the eye of jagex!!!!
if you were to put *** in front of a "foul language word" and then *** after it then it does not star the word out. i know this because a player calld imteman45 put (***gay***) and it did not star the word out. i think someone should make this known in the language section!! thx flare mage22
Everytime I add a Cricism even if its well founded it get deleted. Whats up? Cant legimate argument get in? ( Koolsen 18:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
I find you have virtually none.... the page is very pro-Runescape which I can understand but the Criticsm page is virtually empty... and its not just my opinion but many people that I know have the same opinion. So let it be ( Koolsen 18:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
Okay fine its good ( Koolsen 18:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
... Ive even heard people in game talk of how all the quests are variants of fetch quests. This article potrays Runescape as some godly game it needs a wider criticsm section. Right now it seems even the criticsm section is a shining review of the game ( Koolsen 00:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
wait.... Thats the worst reason not to include it Ive ever heard! Should I say we shouldnt have an article about Runescape because its not useful and way too specific? Sheesh ( Koolsen 17:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
Wait so how is saying "RuneScape is an MMORPG comparable to Guild Wars and Everquest." neutral? Many people would not find it comparable to these games. It doesnt even have the same playstyle as combat oriented Guild Wars. IT should say something like similar in style to Everquest. Sheesh. ( Koolsen 23:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
In any case World of Warcraft would be better in style than Guild Wars. Combat Oriented vs. Skill Oriented.
I wanna edit without making a username like you losers. GIVE ME MY RIGHTS!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.109.206.88 ( talk • contribs) .
So how long is this block gonna last newbs? I wanna EDIT again!
to tell you the truth none of us like u and we hate ur guts go vandalise some other page not ours. and ur the noob not us cause u dont even have a name!!!! flare mage22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.3.63.254 ( talk • contribs) .
If you were refering to me jj you are dead wrong i do have a account even thouch it might not be much!! flare mage22 I WANNA EDIT!!!!!!!!!!
Well ever since the page got sprotected, it seems the article has been improved greatly. It should be semiprotected more often, hahaha. Too bad its against Wikipedia rules. Wikipeedio 14:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi guys. I have made a proposal for a decision about fansite links. It applies for this article, the portal, and the rest of the series. Please help me by voting on it. Thank you. Dtm142 23:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Since i can't really edit it, i was wondering if some can... If some one can add that "You can freely change from any of the three combat styles anytime you please." why? since i thought this is one of teh aspects that makes runescape stand out of other games
I would like to add Runescape video as one of the external link . see http:// runescapefanclub.com/video.html . I think viewers will appreciate that they can see an overview of Runescape. please advice Dina der 10:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
However, if a player is forcibly logged out of the game due to a timeout or loses his/her internet connection in some way, the character remains in the game I'm just wondering how your character could remain in the game if it is logged out -- pevarnj ( t/ c/ @) 20:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)