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Or are they not mistakes?
Rula Jebreal was not born in Jerusalem, but in Haifa.
She is Arab and from Palestine, but she is also of Israeli nationality from her birth, so that the word "Palestinian" is not correct if uncommented.
These datas (place of birth and nationality) can be found in declarations by Rula herself, for instance in this one on the French Channel Public Sénat (minutes 26-32) (in English) [1].
If the writer’s target of is to hide the fact that she is an Israeli (of the Arab part of the population), it is a stalinian-type conception of history, an offence against Rula Jebreal’s personality and against the reputation of Wikipedia.
Of a job in Cairo, I have found no evidence, but if this happens to be a mistake, it is less important.
I shall make the changes, if necessary, but I'd prefer them to be made by whoever may be concerned.
With best regards.
-- PUNKAHARJU44 ( talk) 20:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I added references showing that she has dual Israeli-Italian citizenship (full Israeli citizenship, not only "Israeli passport"), and that ethnically she is partially Nigerian (this is also visible). These are facts. She very probably does not have Palestinian citizenship of any sort, and if she does, a reference is needed.
Having said that, Like many Palestinian citizens of Israel, she chooses to describe herself as Palestinian. She should be referred to in the text (not template) as Palestinian. This does not contradict her being born in Israel and having Israeli citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.16.152 ( talk) 00:20, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Jebreal is not a Palestinian. She is an Israeli Arab having been born in Israel and holds full Israeli citizenship. An independent analysis clearly demonstrates she is Israeli, not Palestinian. Therefore I am confused and concerned as to why the label of a Palestinian is being forced on her when she clearly is not. New England Cop ( talk) 18:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
You people need to get your facts straight, she isn't even full Arab. She is half Nigerian on her father's side so calling her just an "Palestinan Arab" is a strech. Akmal94 ( talk) 17:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC) http://ethnicelebs.com/rula-jebreal
Just fixed native name parameter that would not show; attempting to fix the ethnicity. Does anyone know if there is a working para for it under the "person" infobox? Savvyjack23 ( talk) 18:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Contrary to the fact that "Israeli" should lead in this article, while Palestinian, her ethnicity, should be mentioned in her biography, I do think that the Hebrew translation of her name is not at all needed. This is an English encyclopedia pertaining to an Arabic name. A Frenchman (ethnicity-wise) born in Spain whose name "Jean-Charles" is not going to have a Spanish translation rendering it as Juan Carlos unless it was a nickname or something or well known as. Let's get it right please. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 19:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
There have been multiple edits and reverts here regarding an allegation of a personal relationship with roger waters, but the only source continues to be an anonymous source reported by gossip column Page Six. While other references are cited, each of those cite the same Page Six source. Quantity does not = verification. In this case, the allegation is gossip and runs afoul of Wikipedia's policy for biographies of living persons and its policy against tabloid sourcing. GrosvenorMetro ( talk) 01:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The same gossip is on Roger Waters page it needs to be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:B2 ( talk) 22:37, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
This user GrosvenorMetro has only edited this article nothing else there is an confict of interest here while the New York post is not the New York Times it is still a major newspaper with the same same libel concerns the story was not retracted nor was the paper sued it was used as a source for dozens of stories by major newspapers and thus should stay in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:B2 ( talk) 01:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Also if the jp wrote it then they fact checked it http://m.jpost.com/Not-Just-News/Snack-Bites/Palestinian-power-couple-splits-Roger-Waters-Rula-Jebreal-part-ways-467705
Waters: Dass Leidenschaft geil ist. Und dass Leidenschaft ein knappes Gut ist im Leben. Wenn du die Chance hast, Leidenschaft zu erfahren, in welcher Form auch immer, dann nimm diese Chance wahr. Gesellt sich dann der Schmerz zur Freude hinzu, dann tut er das eben. Denn die Leidenschaft ist jeden Tiefschlag wert.
Waters: That passion is awesome. And that passion is a scarce good in life. If you have the chance to experience passion, in whatever form, then take that chance. Then, when the pain adds to the joy, then he does that. Because passion is worth every drop. Patapsco913 ( talk) 18:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea how the talk page is supposed to work, sorry. I wanted to edit the article to mention that the relationship with Waters ended in the same year it started ( https://pagesix.com/2016/09/13/roger-waters-and-rula-jebreal-call-it-quits/) but don't have edit permissions
Ok, so let us start collecting sources about what Rula Jebreal calls herself, Huldra ( talk) 22:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
He stopped when he got to Rula and introduced himself. "Are you Indian?" he asked. "No, I'm Israeli." "So you're Jewish?" "No. I am Palestinian.
{{
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link) 2019do anyone really think that not placing it under the "Arab Israeli"-label (when she didn't refer to herself as that) is dishonest?
Please note that the parts of this article which are related to the Arab-Israeli conflict are covered by ARBPIA. That clearly includes the question of whether someone identifies as Palestinian. In particular, a 1RR rule applies and I expect you all to obey it. Zero talk 05:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
@
Daveout: The issue of Arab identity in Israel is quite a bit different from ethnic identity in most other countries. There is a Palestinian national movement, which views Arabs in Israel as part of the Palestinian nation. Rula Jebreal is often described as "Palestinian" (
The Guardian: The film is based on the real-life experiences of Palestinian journalist Rula Jebreal
;
The Times The Palestinian journalist Rula Jebreal
;
Time Magazine: Rula Jebreal is an Italo-Palestinian journalist, novelist and screenwriter who was raised in East Jerusalem
), and often calls herself "Palestinian." She was raised in a Palestinian orphanage in East Jerusalem, where probably the majority of the population considers themselves Palestinian. So comparing her to someone who calls themselves "Italian American" would not really be accurate. It's a somewhat different issue.
Nobody is trying to avoid recognizing Israel. I really hate these nationalist conflicts on Wikipedia. I think that the description, Palestinian foreign policy analyst, journalist, novelist and screenwriter with dual Israeli and Italian citizenship
is informative and neutral. It isn't an attack on the state of Israel - her citizenship is stated explicitly. But removing the description "Palestinian" from the first sentence just seems really strange for an article about a prominent Palestinian activist who grew up in East Jerusalem, who calls herself "Palestinian," and who is widely described as a "Palestinian journalist" in the media. -
Thucydides411 (
talk)
12:25, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
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Or are they not mistakes?
Rula Jebreal was not born in Jerusalem, but in Haifa.
She is Arab and from Palestine, but she is also of Israeli nationality from her birth, so that the word "Palestinian" is not correct if uncommented.
These datas (place of birth and nationality) can be found in declarations by Rula herself, for instance in this one on the French Channel Public Sénat (minutes 26-32) (in English) [1].
If the writer’s target of is to hide the fact that she is an Israeli (of the Arab part of the population), it is a stalinian-type conception of history, an offence against Rula Jebreal’s personality and against the reputation of Wikipedia.
Of a job in Cairo, I have found no evidence, but if this happens to be a mistake, it is less important.
I shall make the changes, if necessary, but I'd prefer them to be made by whoever may be concerned.
With best regards.
-- PUNKAHARJU44 ( talk) 20:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I added references showing that she has dual Israeli-Italian citizenship (full Israeli citizenship, not only "Israeli passport"), and that ethnically she is partially Nigerian (this is also visible). These are facts. She very probably does not have Palestinian citizenship of any sort, and if she does, a reference is needed.
Having said that, Like many Palestinian citizens of Israel, she chooses to describe herself as Palestinian. She should be referred to in the text (not template) as Palestinian. This does not contradict her being born in Israel and having Israeli citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.16.152 ( talk) 00:20, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Jebreal is not a Palestinian. She is an Israeli Arab having been born in Israel and holds full Israeli citizenship. An independent analysis clearly demonstrates she is Israeli, not Palestinian. Therefore I am confused and concerned as to why the label of a Palestinian is being forced on her when she clearly is not. New England Cop ( talk) 18:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
You people need to get your facts straight, she isn't even full Arab. She is half Nigerian on her father's side so calling her just an "Palestinan Arab" is a strech. Akmal94 ( talk) 17:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC) http://ethnicelebs.com/rula-jebreal
Just fixed native name parameter that would not show; attempting to fix the ethnicity. Does anyone know if there is a working para for it under the "person" infobox? Savvyjack23 ( talk) 18:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Contrary to the fact that "Israeli" should lead in this article, while Palestinian, her ethnicity, should be mentioned in her biography, I do think that the Hebrew translation of her name is not at all needed. This is an English encyclopedia pertaining to an Arabic name. A Frenchman (ethnicity-wise) born in Spain whose name "Jean-Charles" is not going to have a Spanish translation rendering it as Juan Carlos unless it was a nickname or something or well known as. Let's get it right please. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 19:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
There have been multiple edits and reverts here regarding an allegation of a personal relationship with roger waters, but the only source continues to be an anonymous source reported by gossip column Page Six. While other references are cited, each of those cite the same Page Six source. Quantity does not = verification. In this case, the allegation is gossip and runs afoul of Wikipedia's policy for biographies of living persons and its policy against tabloid sourcing. GrosvenorMetro ( talk) 01:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The same gossip is on Roger Waters page it needs to be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:B2 ( talk) 22:37, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
This user GrosvenorMetro has only edited this article nothing else there is an confict of interest here while the New York post is not the New York Times it is still a major newspaper with the same same libel concerns the story was not retracted nor was the paper sued it was used as a source for dozens of stories by major newspapers and thus should stay in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:B2 ( talk) 01:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Also if the jp wrote it then they fact checked it http://m.jpost.com/Not-Just-News/Snack-Bites/Palestinian-power-couple-splits-Roger-Waters-Rula-Jebreal-part-ways-467705
Waters: Dass Leidenschaft geil ist. Und dass Leidenschaft ein knappes Gut ist im Leben. Wenn du die Chance hast, Leidenschaft zu erfahren, in welcher Form auch immer, dann nimm diese Chance wahr. Gesellt sich dann der Schmerz zur Freude hinzu, dann tut er das eben. Denn die Leidenschaft ist jeden Tiefschlag wert.
Waters: That passion is awesome. And that passion is a scarce good in life. If you have the chance to experience passion, in whatever form, then take that chance. Then, when the pain adds to the joy, then he does that. Because passion is worth every drop. Patapsco913 ( talk) 18:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea how the talk page is supposed to work, sorry. I wanted to edit the article to mention that the relationship with Waters ended in the same year it started ( https://pagesix.com/2016/09/13/roger-waters-and-rula-jebreal-call-it-quits/) but don't have edit permissions
Ok, so let us start collecting sources about what Rula Jebreal calls herself, Huldra ( talk) 22:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
He stopped when he got to Rula and introduced himself. "Are you Indian?" he asked. "No, I'm Israeli." "So you're Jewish?" "No. I am Palestinian.
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: url-status (
link) 2019do anyone really think that not placing it under the "Arab Israeli"-label (when she didn't refer to herself as that) is dishonest?
Please note that the parts of this article which are related to the Arab-Israeli conflict are covered by ARBPIA. That clearly includes the question of whether someone identifies as Palestinian. In particular, a 1RR rule applies and I expect you all to obey it. Zero talk 05:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
@
Daveout: The issue of Arab identity in Israel is quite a bit different from ethnic identity in most other countries. There is a Palestinian national movement, which views Arabs in Israel as part of the Palestinian nation. Rula Jebreal is often described as "Palestinian" (
The Guardian: The film is based on the real-life experiences of Palestinian journalist Rula Jebreal
;
The Times The Palestinian journalist Rula Jebreal
;
Time Magazine: Rula Jebreal is an Italo-Palestinian journalist, novelist and screenwriter who was raised in East Jerusalem
), and often calls herself "Palestinian." She was raised in a Palestinian orphanage in East Jerusalem, where probably the majority of the population considers themselves Palestinian. So comparing her to someone who calls themselves "Italian American" would not really be accurate. It's a somewhat different issue.
Nobody is trying to avoid recognizing Israel. I really hate these nationalist conflicts on Wikipedia. I think that the description, Palestinian foreign policy analyst, journalist, novelist and screenwriter with dual Israeli and Italian citizenship
is informative and neutral. It isn't an attack on the state of Israel - her citizenship is stated explicitly. But removing the description "Palestinian" from the first sentence just seems really strange for an article about a prominent Palestinian activist who grew up in East Jerusalem, who calls herself "Palestinian," and who is widely described as a "Palestinian journalist" in the media. -
Thucydides411 (
talk)
12:25, 6 June 2020 (UTC)