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Support For same reasons given by proposer.
Skinsmoke (
talk) 00:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose - About half of Mongolia remains a Chinese colony.--
MacRusgail (
talk) 17:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)reply
That's an extremely controversial statement, see
One-China policy. Nonetheless, this article is not about rugby union in Chinese Mongolia, it is about rugby union in the sovereign state Mongolia, hence
Mongolia national rugby union team. Rugby union in Chinese Mongolia (if it is even played in those regions) is within the remit of the
Rugby union in China article.
84.92.117.93 (
talk) 16:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)reply
"About half of Mongolia remains a Chinese colony." Why is this controversial? Both China and Mongolia agree that Inner Mongolia is part of China. And what does it have to do with
One-China policy except that Taiwan still nominally claims Outer Mongolia even though only about 8 people in Taiwan still believe it? — AjaxSmack 08:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)reply
From the Wikipedia definition of
colony: "The political process is generally restricted, especially excluding questions of independence. In this case, there are settlers from a dominating foreign country, or countries, and often the property of indigenous peoples is seized, to provide the settlers with land. Foreign mores, religions and/or legal systems are imposed." China itself does not deny any of this. I'm not sure of Mongolia's position. And, just to be clear, I'm not arguing against a move. In fact, I support it per nom. — AjaxSmack 14:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Inner Mongolia is definitely a colony, it fits most of the criteria. Economic exploitation by a dominant ethnic group, military occupation, conquest, suppression of the local language (to get into local universities you must use Mandarin) and culture outwith the tourist context etc.
Mongolia is a far larger area than that encompassed by the state generally known as Outer Mongolia anyway.--
MacRusgail (
talk) 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)reply
All true but there is currently only one state called "Mongolia" and, at least in the context of rugby union, it's the best title for the article. — AjaxSmack 21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)reply
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The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Support For same reasons given by proposer.
Skinsmoke (
talk) 00:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose - About half of Mongolia remains a Chinese colony.--
MacRusgail (
talk) 17:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)reply
That's an extremely controversial statement, see
One-China policy. Nonetheless, this article is not about rugby union in Chinese Mongolia, it is about rugby union in the sovereign state Mongolia, hence
Mongolia national rugby union team. Rugby union in Chinese Mongolia (if it is even played in those regions) is within the remit of the
Rugby union in China article.
84.92.117.93 (
talk) 16:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)reply
"About half of Mongolia remains a Chinese colony." Why is this controversial? Both China and Mongolia agree that Inner Mongolia is part of China. And what does it have to do with
One-China policy except that Taiwan still nominally claims Outer Mongolia even though only about 8 people in Taiwan still believe it? — AjaxSmack 08:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)reply
From the Wikipedia definition of
colony: "The political process is generally restricted, especially excluding questions of independence. In this case, there are settlers from a dominating foreign country, or countries, and often the property of indigenous peoples is seized, to provide the settlers with land. Foreign mores, religions and/or legal systems are imposed." China itself does not deny any of this. I'm not sure of Mongolia's position. And, just to be clear, I'm not arguing against a move. In fact, I support it per nom. — AjaxSmack 14:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Inner Mongolia is definitely a colony, it fits most of the criteria. Economic exploitation by a dominant ethnic group, military occupation, conquest, suppression of the local language (to get into local universities you must use Mandarin) and culture outwith the tourist context etc.
Mongolia is a far larger area than that encompassed by the state generally known as Outer Mongolia anyway.--
MacRusgail (
talk) 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)reply
All true but there is currently only one state called "Mongolia" and, at least in the context of rugby union, it's the best title for the article. — AjaxSmack 21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.