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The article should include a brief summary of the rouble's history and its current position in regard to other currencies. The New York Times reports that "the ruble remains the world’s second-most undervalued major currency, behind only the Chinese yuan". [1] In its current embryonic state, the article fails to serve our readers. -- Ghirla -трёп- 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 21:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm UK. My dad just got told by the russian embasy its illegal to sell roubles here. Post office and m&s do that (ones goverment, one's high street food and stuff). Anyone got proof for the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.85.102 ( talk) 15:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for earlier messages, Ivan the terrible was, indeed, represented on the earlier Kopeks. This, however, is an incomplete picture, and circa 1722, he was replaced with Saint George.
http://center.rusmuseum.ru/InetBookNew/georg/7/index.php?menu=4 http://www.statesymbol.ru/currency/20050321/39595552.html
I will make the necessary changes in 48 hours unless objections arise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.134.163 ( talk) 06:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Do not mix "kopecks" and "kopeks" in the same article. This just causes lots of confusion. I don't even know what's the "legal" spelling of this; but no matter what the spelling is, it should be unified. -andy 92.229.78.183 ( talk) 05:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I think that following external link should be reinserted:
I think that the link is useful because:
( Pavlikovskiy ( talk) 21:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC))
( Pavlikovskiy ( talk) 11:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC))
(november 2010)
Disagree. Russian ruble is a page for a specific national currency. Unless discussion arises, the template should be removed. Metaknowledge ( talk) 23:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
kopecks is redirected here, but many Wikipedias have individual article for the coin. See wikidata:Q1415602-- Estopedist1 ( talk) 09:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
IP ramblings and original thoughts.
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Правильный меч д.б. дальше пуза ! А иначе, если как было - вообще без никакого смысла. Очень тупо. А на картинке здесь мужик висит рукой схватившись за скалу. Или стараетца. С доской ? Он маляр-штукатур ? Или там тянули ЛЭП ? Везде бардак! Как всё началось с 70-ых - так всё только падает и валитца. Не до Страны! Нужнее деньги. Ведь - деньги делают всё! А люди - ничего не делают .. просто висят схватившись за скалу .. Или там Кремль ? Он тот мистер Шмитт который на самодельном самолётике к нам так долго сутками летел без дозаправки ?? 176.59.192.224 ( talk) 00:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC) |
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The ruble is the name of a currency unit in a number of countries in eastern Europe. This one-ruble coin was issued by the Russian Empire in 1771, during the reign of Catherine the Great. It is made of solid copper, weighing just over 1.022 kg (2.25 lb), and was designed to be kept in the imperial treasury as metallic backing for the country's paper-ruble issue. Marginally larger than a standard hockey puck, it is reportedly the largest copper coin ever issued. The coin now forms part of the National Numismatic Collection at the National Museum of American History. Coin design credit: Russian Empire; photographed by the National Numismatic Collection
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I think it might be worth having a discussion about what the "official" English names actually are. The Bank of Russia uses both "ruble" [2] and "rouble" [3] with no marked preference, Goznak [4], the Government of Russia [5] and the official translation of the Russian constitution [6] all use "rouble". Meanwhile "kopek" seems to have no official support from any Russian source, the Bank of Russia and Goznak both use "kopeck". TheCurrencyGuy ( talk) 18:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
We should talk about this some more” are recommended against (and proposer
should not assume that the section title is available). Further, the RfC’s premise is clearly being read by some as seeking “official” names that we will use or prefer on Wikipedia, so that should be clarified against. What Wikipedia uses will be determined by common name. If there is an official translation/transliteration we can note that, but it doesn’t sound like there is one, per evidence in proposal. — HTGS ( talk) 21:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC) ( Summoned by bot)
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I tried proposing a solution, but no solution is acceptable, because Wikipedia seems determined to stew in its pit of linguistic insanity. TheCurrencyGuy ( talk) 17:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Generally, and excluding special situations such as direct quotations or words as words, should the nomenclature of currencies commonly called ruble (e.g. the Russian or Soviet currencies) be:
Thanks, NotReallySoroka ( talk) 07:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
The text currently reads
In 1704 Peter the Great finally reformed the old Russian monetary system, minting a silver ruble coin of weight 28.1 g (0.90 ozt) and 72% fineness; hence 20.22 g fine silver.
with a footnote
Gross weight 433 grains, net weight 312.1 grains, hence fineness 72%. [1]
I have tagged it as "failed verification" because the source does not give 1704 Ukase anywhere in the book? Have I missed something?
(Full disclosure: the footnote originally read
Gross weight 433 grains, net weight 312.1 grains, hence fineness 72%. [2]
but page 168 is about Hamburgish money? How is that relevant?) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
References
𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
This page, along with other pages on other rubles, contains the following line or a variation thereof:
However, this line fails to indicate that "ruble" are also used in other non-American engvars (e.g. Canadian) and that "rouble" is also used in British English, which is slightly distinct from Commonwealth English. Therefore, I am curious as to whether the above line should be eliminated from WP articles that have it. NotReallySoroka ( talk) 04:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
WP:SNOWCLOSEd pointless de facto reopening of #Request for comment, closed less than five months ago. |
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I am aware that "rouble" is quite the prevalent British English term to refer to the Russian (and Belarusian) currencies. However, "ruble" is also used in BrE (see this BrE ngram where "ruble" still holds it own against "rouble"), and we should note that MOS:COMMONALITY suggests that we use "universally accepted terms rather than those less widely distributed", and "ruble" fits the bill for being such a universally accepted term: for instance, the World Bank Style Guide and the IMF ( 967 hits for "ruble" vs 43 for "rouble") use "ruble" over "rouble" quite often. Therefore, I propose the following:
That is, a BrE or CthE page can use "rouble" without any (t)rouble, but it does not follow that a BrE (or CthE) page must use "rouble" simply because a "Use British English" template is slapped on it. NotReallySoroka ( talk) 02:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
There is now a thread on this subject at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. 109.144.77.107 ( talk) 10:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC) Here is my proposal:
All of the sources provided asserting "ruble" as the "dominant" spelling "worldwide" were American. I have seen Canadian sources use it, so I think it can be said to be North American generally rather than specifically US. There is actually another article relevant to this discussion; Mill (currency), the non-North American spelling is "mil". 109.144.77.107 ( talk) 14:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I don't care either way what the final answer is. But consider that the
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The article should include a brief summary of the rouble's history and its current position in regard to other currencies. The New York Times reports that "the ruble remains the world’s second-most undervalued major currency, behind only the Chinese yuan". [1] In its current embryonic state, the article fails to serve our readers. -- Ghirla -трёп- 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Image:Russia5000rubles03front.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 21:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm UK. My dad just got told by the russian embasy its illegal to sell roubles here. Post office and m&s do that (ones goverment, one's high street food and stuff). Anyone got proof for the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.85.102 ( talk) 15:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for earlier messages, Ivan the terrible was, indeed, represented on the earlier Kopeks. This, however, is an incomplete picture, and circa 1722, he was replaced with Saint George.
http://center.rusmuseum.ru/InetBookNew/georg/7/index.php?menu=4 http://www.statesymbol.ru/currency/20050321/39595552.html
I will make the necessary changes in 48 hours unless objections arise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.134.163 ( talk) 06:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Do not mix "kopecks" and "kopeks" in the same article. This just causes lots of confusion. I don't even know what's the "legal" spelling of this; but no matter what the spelling is, it should be unified. -andy 92.229.78.183 ( talk) 05:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I think that following external link should be reinserted:
I think that the link is useful because:
( Pavlikovskiy ( talk) 21:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC))
( Pavlikovskiy ( talk) 11:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC))
(november 2010)
Disagree. Russian ruble is a page for a specific national currency. Unless discussion arises, the template should be removed. Metaknowledge ( talk) 23:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
kopecks is redirected here, but many Wikipedias have individual article for the coin. See wikidata:Q1415602-- Estopedist1 ( talk) 09:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
IP ramblings and original thoughts.
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Правильный меч д.б. дальше пуза ! А иначе, если как было - вообще без никакого смысла. Очень тупо. А на картинке здесь мужик висит рукой схватившись за скалу. Или стараетца. С доской ? Он маляр-штукатур ? Или там тянули ЛЭП ? Везде бардак! Как всё началось с 70-ых - так всё только падает и валитца. Не до Страны! Нужнее деньги. Ведь - деньги делают всё! А люди - ничего не делают .. просто висят схватившись за скалу .. Или там Кремль ? Он тот мистер Шмитт который на самодельном самолётике к нам так долго сутками летел без дозаправки ?? 176.59.192.224 ( talk) 00:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC) |
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The ruble is the name of a currency unit in a number of countries in eastern Europe. This one-ruble coin was issued by the Russian Empire in 1771, during the reign of Catherine the Great. It is made of solid copper, weighing just over 1.022 kg (2.25 lb), and was designed to be kept in the imperial treasury as metallic backing for the country's paper-ruble issue. Marginally larger than a standard hockey puck, it is reportedly the largest copper coin ever issued. The coin now forms part of the National Numismatic Collection at the National Museum of American History. Coin design credit: Russian Empire; photographed by the National Numismatic Collection
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I think it might be worth having a discussion about what the "official" English names actually are. The Bank of Russia uses both "ruble" [2] and "rouble" [3] with no marked preference, Goznak [4], the Government of Russia [5] and the official translation of the Russian constitution [6] all use "rouble". Meanwhile "kopek" seems to have no official support from any Russian source, the Bank of Russia and Goznak both use "kopeck". TheCurrencyGuy ( talk) 18:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
We should talk about this some more” are recommended against (and proposer
should not assume that the section title is available). Further, the RfC’s premise is clearly being read by some as seeking “official” names that we will use or prefer on Wikipedia, so that should be clarified against. What Wikipedia uses will be determined by common name. If there is an official translation/transliteration we can note that, but it doesn’t sound like there is one, per evidence in proposal. — HTGS ( talk) 21:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC) ( Summoned by bot)
Unrelated rant
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I tried proposing a solution, but no solution is acceptable, because Wikipedia seems determined to stew in its pit of linguistic insanity. TheCurrencyGuy ( talk) 17:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Generally, and excluding special situations such as direct quotations or words as words, should the nomenclature of currencies commonly called ruble (e.g. the Russian or Soviet currencies) be:
Thanks, NotReallySoroka ( talk) 07:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
The text currently reads
In 1704 Peter the Great finally reformed the old Russian monetary system, minting a silver ruble coin of weight 28.1 g (0.90 ozt) and 72% fineness; hence 20.22 g fine silver.
with a footnote
Gross weight 433 grains, net weight 312.1 grains, hence fineness 72%. [1]
I have tagged it as "failed verification" because the source does not give 1704 Ukase anywhere in the book? Have I missed something?
(Full disclosure: the footnote originally read
Gross weight 433 grains, net weight 312.1 grains, hence fineness 72%. [2]
but page 168 is about Hamburgish money? How is that relevant?) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
References
𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
This page, along with other pages on other rubles, contains the following line or a variation thereof:
However, this line fails to indicate that "ruble" are also used in other non-American engvars (e.g. Canadian) and that "rouble" is also used in British English, which is slightly distinct from Commonwealth English. Therefore, I am curious as to whether the above line should be eliminated from WP articles that have it. NotReallySoroka ( talk) 04:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
WP:SNOWCLOSEd pointless de facto reopening of #Request for comment, closed less than five months ago. |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
I am aware that "rouble" is quite the prevalent British English term to refer to the Russian (and Belarusian) currencies. However, "ruble" is also used in BrE (see this BrE ngram where "ruble" still holds it own against "rouble"), and we should note that MOS:COMMONALITY suggests that we use "universally accepted terms rather than those less widely distributed", and "ruble" fits the bill for being such a universally accepted term: for instance, the World Bank Style Guide and the IMF ( 967 hits for "ruble" vs 43 for "rouble") use "ruble" over "rouble" quite often. Therefore, I propose the following:
That is, a BrE or CthE page can use "rouble" without any (t)rouble, but it does not follow that a BrE (or CthE) page must use "rouble" simply because a "Use British English" template is slapped on it. NotReallySoroka ( talk) 02:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
There is now a thread on this subject at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. 109.144.77.107 ( talk) 10:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC) Here is my proposal:
All of the sources provided asserting "ruble" as the "dominant" spelling "worldwide" were American. I have seen Canadian sources use it, so I think it can be said to be North American generally rather than specifically US. There is actually another article relevant to this discussion; Mill (currency), the non-North American spelling is "mil". 109.144.77.107 ( talk) 14:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I don't care either way what the final answer is. But consider that the
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