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On list of post-nominal letters, it says a Commander of the Royal Victorian Order uses the letters RVO... but on here it says they use CVO...? Is there a separate Royal Victorian Order in Canada or something of that sort? ugen64 18:33, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
CVO is the correct answer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianfflynn ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
According to http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/celebrity-chef-serves-up-fake-resume/2008/03/04/1204402403985.html the celebrity chef Robert Irvine is not a member of the RVO. He is the presenter of Dinner: Impossible on the Food Network. He recently admitted to lying about being made a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order and receiving a castle from the Queen. Vk2tds ( talk) 23:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
the eligibility section only talks about Canadian eligibility. more countries should be added. does one have to be a commonwealth citizen? I ask because in the Tom Clancy novels, Jack Ryan, an American, is made an honorary Knight of this order. and even thourgh it is not recognized in the US, the Brits in the books always call him Sir John. Rds865 ( talk) 05:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
It simply isn't true that the Order of the Garter was 'always' in the personal gift of the Sovereign. George V could only confer it upon advice of the PM - it was Elizabeth II who was again allowed to confer it on her own will alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.63.66 ( talk) 20:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that Australian citizens no longer receive knighthoods either; at least none are bestowed by the Australian government under current policy. Can someone confirm that Australians *are* in fact eligible to receive the highest two honours? Slac speak up! 10:44, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Australian Labor governments have never recommended knighthoods. Labor was in power federally between 1983 and 1996. The state governments used to make their own separate recommendations for imperial honours, and the Liberal-National state governments often recommended knighthoods regardless of who was in power federally. I think it was early during
Paul Keating's time as Prime Minister (1991-96) that it was officially announced from Buck Palace that the Queen would not be giving any more knighthoods or other UK honours to Australians on the recommendation of any Australian state or federal government, since the
Order of Australia was designed to be the sole system for Australian honours.
However, she is unrestricted when it comes to knighthoods and other honours in her personal gift (such as the OM that John Howard recently got). Also, Australians can still be the recipients of knighthoods and other honours recommended by the governments of other Commonwealth Realms (whether because the recipient is a dual citizen or because they have a particular association with that place).
Living Australian knights and dames tells me that there have been at least 7 Australians who've received knighthoods (including a KCVO) since 1990, the last one as recently as 2011. Also, three new dames were created in that time, the last in 2010. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 21:44, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
I can personally guarantee that the Royal Victorian Order is still awarded to Australians. There are about 2-4 new appointments every year. People working for the various Governors and the Governor-General as well a aides and equerry's are all from time to time made MVO's and LVO's. The personal aid to visiting royals are usually made an MVO about six months later. Nford24 ( PE121 Personnel Request Form) 11:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it correct that MVO redirects here? There is no mention of this acronym in the article. Invertzoo ( talk) 00:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I was just reading through the article about the RVO at www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Honours/RoyalVictorianOrder.aspx and it does not list the Royal Victorian Medal as being a part of the Order. Nford24 ( Want to have a chat?) 11:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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help)). Likewise the British Empire Medal (which is not the official title) is part of the Order of the British Empire and is covered by the Order's statutes (refer
"No. 35141".
The London Gazette. 18 April 1941.) If a medal is established outside the statutes of an order, then there may be a case to argue that that medal is affiliated with the order rather than a part of the order. Having recently checked some of my references, issues with the BEM article aren't just restricted to claiming it is affiliated to the order (rather than part of it) but also to the whole historical development. I will have a look at this when I get more time.
AusTerrapin (
talk) 19:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone know approximately how many members of all grades belong to the RVO? I know that the RVO, unlike some Orders such as the Order of Merit and the Order of the Companions of Honour, has no limitation on the number of members. So superficially, one might expect that it would have approximately the same ratio between grades as that of the Order of the British Empire. That Order, with five grades, has 100 GBEs, 845 KBEs, 8,960 CBEs, about 100,000 OBEs and MBEs; roughly 1:10:100:10,000. Since the RVO is stated as having 62 members of GCVO (the top of its five grades), one might extrapolate that there would be about 500 KCVOs, 5,000 CVOs, and 50,000 LVOs and MVOs. However, that seems unlikely to me, as each member of the Order would have to have some connection with a member of the royal family. Does anyone know any actual numbers? Bricology ( talk) 09:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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Can we find the Gazette reference for the change in statute which allowed Dames to be appointed? It doesn't seem to be in here. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 23:27, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Officer of the Order of Australia precedes RVO Commander which is outranked by RVO Knight/Dame Commander which precedes Officer of the Order of Australia. This is circular and needs attention from an Australian editor. Ross Fraser ( talk) 02:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
"Knights and Dames Grand Cross and Knights and Dames Commander have their crosses surrounded by a star: for the former, an eight-pointed silver star, and for the latter, an eight-pointed silver Maltese cross with silver rays between each arm." Surely this is inaccurate -- the star is a separate item from the cross, and (as is usual) is worn on the breast, while the cross is worn as described earlier in the paragraph. 216.255.171.122 ( talk) 21:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
"The British monarch" neither aligns with the lede of the article nor is correct. The monarch of a foreign nation doesn't induct Canadians into the RVO, a part of the Canadian honours system. See the information about the RVO published by the Governor General of Canada (the Chancellery of Honours being part of the Office of the Secretary to the GG): "The Order may be conferred by The Queen of Canada to recognize services rendered to the Sovereign or to members of the Royal Family", [2] which is repeated on the Government of Canada's site— [3]—and the government of Saskatchewan's. [4] The Lieutenant Governor of Nova Scotia states: "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada has also invested a small number of Nova Scotians with the Royal Victorian Order at Government House." [5] In The Order of Canada: Genesis of an Honours System: "the Royal Victorian Order is part of the Canadian Honours System, and the Queen makes appointments as Queen of Canada, for services in right of Canada." [6] The above isn't attempting to say the infobox should say "the Canadian monarch", only to prove that "the British monarch" isn't accurate. ₪ MIESIANIACAL 06:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I 'might' have to open up an RFC, concerning such medals. GoodDay ( talk) 06:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I think highlighting "British monarch", "Canadian monarch", "Australian monarch", and "New Zealand monarch" is not useful and creates a lot of clutter in the lead. Since, these offices are held by one person we may use a term that can cover all these positions. Not to mention that the Royal Victorian Order is also awared by the Jamaican monarch, Bahamian monarch, Papua New Guinean monarch, Belizean monarch, Solomon Islands monarch, Vincentian monarch, Saint Lucian monarch, Saint Kitts and Nevis monarch, Antiguan and Barbudan monarch, Grenadian monarch, and the Tuvaluan monarch (linked to recipients). There you have it, all 15 realms. Peter Ormond 💬 07:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
In the “Current Knights and Dames Grand Cross” section, I have been trying to make three table entries consistent with links to the relevant Wikipedia page by changing the “Known for” field to ((Commonwealth Secretary-General | Secretary-General of the Commonwealth of Nations)) but with brackets instead of the parentheses.
Unfortunately, the preview then did not show all of the rows of the table - so I didn’t proceed.
Perhaps I have introduced the “|” separator incorrectly.
I would appreciate someone with more skills than I have making the changes.
Peter
202.168.33.73 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:07, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey Peter, you can copy and paste this. There is no gap between the seperator and the words if that was what was going wrong. Secretary-General of the Commonwealth of Nations Nford24 ( PE121 Personnel Request Form) 03:55, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
As at today (Friday, 2 December 2022) the list is a nonsense. In particular, the contents of the first and third columns (preceding and succeeding) are woefully out of date.
Precedence for each grade of an order in Aotearoa New Zealand is taken the date of establishment of that order. Other than RVO and NZOM [ Aotearoa New Zealand royal honours] gives dates for Garter, Thistle, Order of Merit and then the honours particular to Aotearoa New Zealand.
As Garter and Thistle are awarded for personal service in England (and Wales) or Scotland, the chances of them having precedence over honours awarded in Aotearoa New Zealand would be small, there is little point is spending any more time and space on them in this article.
As the Orders of Ss Michael and George and British Empire are not listed as in the having any importance in Aotearoa New Zealand, there is no basis for including them in a table in this section.
There have been some RVO awards to Kiwis for service in Aotearoa New Zealand (such as a Minister of Internal Affairs at the conclusion of a Royal Tour) with the creation of the New Zealand Order of Merit (NZOM) in 1996 I suspect they will fade away.
So, only two columns are needed: RVO and NZOM
My tuppence worth for discussion is:
RVO 1 --- 2 --- 3 GCVO 4 KCVO/DCVO 5 CVO 6 LVO 7 MVO 8 --- 9 ---
NZOM 1 OM 2 ONZ 3 GNZM 4 KNZM/DNZM 5 CNZM 6 ONZM 7 MNZM 8 QSO 9 QSM
PS: I, and many others, note the ribbons worn by the former Prince of Wales (and presumably a practice continued as Monarch) are for them to be displayed in sequence of award. Because of the distinctive nature of the QSO ribbon, it is easy to pick it out when worn - it is closest to the lapel. AlwynWellington ( talk) 05:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
At the request of an editor, I added an RVO circlet to the arms of the 27th chief of clan Cameron
I am not 100% sure if this is correct.
Donald Angus Cameron of Lochiel the 27th chief is CVO. Do CVO's get circlets or is that reserved for the rank above (Knights - KCVO)?
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On list of post-nominal letters, it says a Commander of the Royal Victorian Order uses the letters RVO... but on here it says they use CVO...? Is there a separate Royal Victorian Order in Canada or something of that sort? ugen64 18:33, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
CVO is the correct answer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianfflynn ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
According to http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/celebrity-chef-serves-up-fake-resume/2008/03/04/1204402403985.html the celebrity chef Robert Irvine is not a member of the RVO. He is the presenter of Dinner: Impossible on the Food Network. He recently admitted to lying about being made a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order and receiving a castle from the Queen. Vk2tds ( talk) 23:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
the eligibility section only talks about Canadian eligibility. more countries should be added. does one have to be a commonwealth citizen? I ask because in the Tom Clancy novels, Jack Ryan, an American, is made an honorary Knight of this order. and even thourgh it is not recognized in the US, the Brits in the books always call him Sir John. Rds865 ( talk) 05:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
It simply isn't true that the Order of the Garter was 'always' in the personal gift of the Sovereign. George V could only confer it upon advice of the PM - it was Elizabeth II who was again allowed to confer it on her own will alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.63.66 ( talk) 20:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that Australian citizens no longer receive knighthoods either; at least none are bestowed by the Australian government under current policy. Can someone confirm that Australians *are* in fact eligible to receive the highest two honours? Slac speak up! 10:44, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Australian Labor governments have never recommended knighthoods. Labor was in power federally between 1983 and 1996. The state governments used to make their own separate recommendations for imperial honours, and the Liberal-National state governments often recommended knighthoods regardless of who was in power federally. I think it was early during
Paul Keating's time as Prime Minister (1991-96) that it was officially announced from Buck Palace that the Queen would not be giving any more knighthoods or other UK honours to Australians on the recommendation of any Australian state or federal government, since the
Order of Australia was designed to be the sole system for Australian honours.
However, she is unrestricted when it comes to knighthoods and other honours in her personal gift (such as the OM that John Howard recently got). Also, Australians can still be the recipients of knighthoods and other honours recommended by the governments of other Commonwealth Realms (whether because the recipient is a dual citizen or because they have a particular association with that place).
Living Australian knights and dames tells me that there have been at least 7 Australians who've received knighthoods (including a KCVO) since 1990, the last one as recently as 2011. Also, three new dames were created in that time, the last in 2010. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 21:44, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
I can personally guarantee that the Royal Victorian Order is still awarded to Australians. There are about 2-4 new appointments every year. People working for the various Governors and the Governor-General as well a aides and equerry's are all from time to time made MVO's and LVO's. The personal aid to visiting royals are usually made an MVO about six months later. Nford24 ( PE121 Personnel Request Form) 11:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it correct that MVO redirects here? There is no mention of this acronym in the article. Invertzoo ( talk) 00:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I was just reading through the article about the RVO at www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Honours/RoyalVictorianOrder.aspx and it does not list the Royal Victorian Medal as being a part of the Order. Nford24 ( Want to have a chat?) 11:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
{{
cite magazine}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help)). Likewise the British Empire Medal (which is not the official title) is part of the Order of the British Empire and is covered by the Order's statutes (refer
"No. 35141".
The London Gazette. 18 April 1941.) If a medal is established outside the statutes of an order, then there may be a case to argue that that medal is affiliated with the order rather than a part of the order. Having recently checked some of my references, issues with the BEM article aren't just restricted to claiming it is affiliated to the order (rather than part of it) but also to the whole historical development. I will have a look at this when I get more time.
AusTerrapin (
talk) 19:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone know approximately how many members of all grades belong to the RVO? I know that the RVO, unlike some Orders such as the Order of Merit and the Order of the Companions of Honour, has no limitation on the number of members. So superficially, one might expect that it would have approximately the same ratio between grades as that of the Order of the British Empire. That Order, with five grades, has 100 GBEs, 845 KBEs, 8,960 CBEs, about 100,000 OBEs and MBEs; roughly 1:10:100:10,000. Since the RVO is stated as having 62 members of GCVO (the top of its five grades), one might extrapolate that there would be about 500 KCVOs, 5,000 CVOs, and 50,000 LVOs and MVOs. However, that seems unlikely to me, as each member of the Order would have to have some connection with a member of the royal family. Does anyone know any actual numbers? Bricology ( talk) 09:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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Can we find the Gazette reference for the change in statute which allowed Dames to be appointed? It doesn't seem to be in here. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 23:27, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Officer of the Order of Australia precedes RVO Commander which is outranked by RVO Knight/Dame Commander which precedes Officer of the Order of Australia. This is circular and needs attention from an Australian editor. Ross Fraser ( talk) 02:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
"Knights and Dames Grand Cross and Knights and Dames Commander have their crosses surrounded by a star: for the former, an eight-pointed silver star, and for the latter, an eight-pointed silver Maltese cross with silver rays between each arm." Surely this is inaccurate -- the star is a separate item from the cross, and (as is usual) is worn on the breast, while the cross is worn as described earlier in the paragraph. 216.255.171.122 ( talk) 21:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
"The British monarch" neither aligns with the lede of the article nor is correct. The monarch of a foreign nation doesn't induct Canadians into the RVO, a part of the Canadian honours system. See the information about the RVO published by the Governor General of Canada (the Chancellery of Honours being part of the Office of the Secretary to the GG): "The Order may be conferred by The Queen of Canada to recognize services rendered to the Sovereign or to members of the Royal Family", [2] which is repeated on the Government of Canada's site— [3]—and the government of Saskatchewan's. [4] The Lieutenant Governor of Nova Scotia states: "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada has also invested a small number of Nova Scotians with the Royal Victorian Order at Government House." [5] In The Order of Canada: Genesis of an Honours System: "the Royal Victorian Order is part of the Canadian Honours System, and the Queen makes appointments as Queen of Canada, for services in right of Canada." [6] The above isn't attempting to say the infobox should say "the Canadian monarch", only to prove that "the British monarch" isn't accurate. ₪ MIESIANIACAL 06:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I 'might' have to open up an RFC, concerning such medals. GoodDay ( talk) 06:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I think highlighting "British monarch", "Canadian monarch", "Australian monarch", and "New Zealand monarch" is not useful and creates a lot of clutter in the lead. Since, these offices are held by one person we may use a term that can cover all these positions. Not to mention that the Royal Victorian Order is also awared by the Jamaican monarch, Bahamian monarch, Papua New Guinean monarch, Belizean monarch, Solomon Islands monarch, Vincentian monarch, Saint Lucian monarch, Saint Kitts and Nevis monarch, Antiguan and Barbudan monarch, Grenadian monarch, and the Tuvaluan monarch (linked to recipients). There you have it, all 15 realms. Peter Ormond 💬 07:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
In the “Current Knights and Dames Grand Cross” section, I have been trying to make three table entries consistent with links to the relevant Wikipedia page by changing the “Known for” field to ((Commonwealth Secretary-General | Secretary-General of the Commonwealth of Nations)) but with brackets instead of the parentheses.
Unfortunately, the preview then did not show all of the rows of the table - so I didn’t proceed.
Perhaps I have introduced the “|” separator incorrectly.
I would appreciate someone with more skills than I have making the changes.
Peter
202.168.33.73 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:07, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey Peter, you can copy and paste this. There is no gap between the seperator and the words if that was what was going wrong. Secretary-General of the Commonwealth of Nations Nford24 ( PE121 Personnel Request Form) 03:55, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
As at today (Friday, 2 December 2022) the list is a nonsense. In particular, the contents of the first and third columns (preceding and succeeding) are woefully out of date.
Precedence for each grade of an order in Aotearoa New Zealand is taken the date of establishment of that order. Other than RVO and NZOM [ Aotearoa New Zealand royal honours] gives dates for Garter, Thistle, Order of Merit and then the honours particular to Aotearoa New Zealand.
As Garter and Thistle are awarded for personal service in England (and Wales) or Scotland, the chances of them having precedence over honours awarded in Aotearoa New Zealand would be small, there is little point is spending any more time and space on them in this article.
As the Orders of Ss Michael and George and British Empire are not listed as in the having any importance in Aotearoa New Zealand, there is no basis for including them in a table in this section.
There have been some RVO awards to Kiwis for service in Aotearoa New Zealand (such as a Minister of Internal Affairs at the conclusion of a Royal Tour) with the creation of the New Zealand Order of Merit (NZOM) in 1996 I suspect they will fade away.
So, only two columns are needed: RVO and NZOM
My tuppence worth for discussion is:
RVO 1 --- 2 --- 3 GCVO 4 KCVO/DCVO 5 CVO 6 LVO 7 MVO 8 --- 9 ---
NZOM 1 OM 2 ONZ 3 GNZM 4 KNZM/DNZM 5 CNZM 6 ONZM 7 MNZM 8 QSO 9 QSM
PS: I, and many others, note the ribbons worn by the former Prince of Wales (and presumably a practice continued as Monarch) are for them to be displayed in sequence of award. Because of the distinctive nature of the QSO ribbon, it is easy to pick it out when worn - it is closest to the lapel. AlwynWellington ( talk) 05:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
At the request of an editor, I added an RVO circlet to the arms of the 27th chief of clan Cameron
I am not 100% sure if this is correct.
Donald Angus Cameron of Lochiel the 27th chief is CVO. Do CVO's get circlets or is that reserved for the rank above (Knights - KCVO)?
Czar Brodie~commonswiki (
talk) 16:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)