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Why is an unreliable blog used as a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.2.198 ( talk) 01:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
It is illegal for the public to fly the Lion Rampant from a building. In 1934, the King issued a Royal Warrant saying the public should by allowed to wave the Lion Rampant by hand to show their loyalty to the crown. There's some debate as to whether this is truly legal, or if the King was acting illegally, not that anybody in Scotland other than a few pedants actually gives a hoot. Don't have time to find a reference for this, but it's out there. -- Charlie Tango 22:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that this article is actually about an armorial banner. A Standard is a completely different vexillological item. Perhaps this article could be edited along the lines of the Royal Standard of Great Britain article, which makes clear that this usage of the word "standard" is strictly incorrect, though widely used.-- E va d b 11:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia.
Hey, I made an edit to the article Royal Standard of Scotland, which is the article you get re-directed to when you search for "lion rampant".
Exactly I added this -
The Lion Rampant, as the Standard of Scotland, has also been called the "Scottish National Standard" in the context of its use by a Scottish republican when asserting a claim of right to use this traditional leadership flag of the Scots.
This, fellow Wikipedians, is a good example of a troll, he seems to be oblivious to the fact that NO ONE shares his extremist opinions, I have seen videos by this nasty piece of work on Youtube, in which he says he wants to commit terrorism and regicide- TashkentFox 15:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
But the change I made has been reverted back to the original and I'm none the wiser who did it or why.
Now if there is no agreement on even mentioning Scottish republicans who use the lion rampant or linking to such an external site, maybe I should write a new article, named " Lion Rampant"?
Don't add links to your own website to Wikipedia, it is considered to be spam. The link is not considered to be important. Astrotrain 13:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Are the Lion Rampant and the Royal Standard of Scotland the same thing?
The lion rampant is frequently mentioned as a component of coats of arms, yet this refers to the red, guling(?), lion as also seen on the Royal Standard of Scotland, not the standard itself. For an example of this see Clan MacDuff.
I am curious about the origins of the Lion Rampant. How did a red Lion come to represent Scotland? In medieval times, how did the Scots even know about Lions? I think this is a subject separate from the Royal Standard of Scotland. -- Fergie 10:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
In answer to the original question, they are not the same thing as the lion rampant is used in more than just the royal banner of scotland, Its a heraldic term and can only really be specific with colours (for the field at least) applied. It just means a lion stood up and facing forwards. To my mind it shouldn't redirect here and should be a disambiguation page. I was sent here by a link regarding the use of the lion rampant by Peugeot which I'm told has nothing to do with the royal banner of scotland. that or it should redirect to Lion (Heraldry).( Morcus ( talk) 20:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC))
In answer to Fergie's question of long ago as to the origin of the lion rampant, I believe it became fashionable during the Crusades. If you look at the preferred emblem of early mediaeval leaders north of the Alps, the commonest symbol of leadership was the eagle, i.e. the king of the skies (used throughout history in Russia, Germany, Poland, the Balkans etc). After the Crusades the lion as the 'King of Beasts' starts to take over as the commonest symbol of kingship. Quite apart from knowledge of lions gained from the Bible, the lion symbol seems like an importation into northern Europe from the Mediterranean where it had been well known since Roman times. As to style, the fact that it stands upright and literally erect conveys the sense of an aggressive attack posture, symbolically apt for the warrior-leaders of the Middle Ages. ( User talk:Kim Traynor) 01:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC))
I changed this caption:
I replaced quadrant with the heraldic (and common) term quarter, and removed the last few words. The coat of arms of Canada is quarterly with a base added, not per fess; even if it were per fess (half-and-half), such technical language is unnecessary here; and parties is just weird. — Tamfang ( talk) 15:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
After several quick read-throughs, the article appears to be at or about GA-level. I'll therefore carry out a more detailed review secion by section against WP:WIAGA, but leaving the WP:Lead until last. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
....to be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
An interesting, well-illustrated and well-referenced article on a specialist subject.
Congratulations on the quality of the article, I'm awarding GA-status. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
If proportions for the Standard listed in the infobox is correct the Standard should look different with height bigger than the width. Can somebody clarify whether Standard should be changed according to proportions or vice a versa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorbins ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I happened to be over at Portal:Ireland and noticed that this article features prominently in their 'Did you know?' section:
See also:
Are there any solid academic refs that could be used on this article? Ta, -- Mais oui! ( talk) 04:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I was curious if anyone knew this. Beyond495 ( talk) 18:06, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
According to royal.gov.uk, the Queen’s official banner in Scotland is named the Royal Banner of the Royal Arms of Scotland. I'm not actually sure where the phrase Royal Standard of Scotland originates. Sources appear to suggest that the term Royal Standard came into use after the 16th century to refer to the combined English–Scottish banner, when the English Royal Standards (an entirely different style of flag) ceased to be used, suggesting that the Lion Rampant has never been referred to as a Royal Standard (except in modern, unofficial usage). Possibly, it's more correct to refer to it as a Royal Banner, as opposed to a Royal Standard. There is also a version of the Royal Standard of the United Kingdom for use in Scotland, making Royal Standard of Scotland a little ambiguous. Thoughts? Rob ( talk | contribs) 17:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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1. The section "Appearance in other royal flags" shows some royal flags that use the lion rampart. Some also use the harp which is as anachronistic as the fleur-de-lis. When George III gave up on France and George V gave up on Ireland those symbols should have been removed from the standards.
2. The second, fourth and fifth images in the gallery are pointless because the flags are so tiny no detail can be made out of them. Those images are useless.
ICE77 ( talk) 05:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
1. Your comment does not address the point. There is no correlation between harps or fleur-de-lis with the current kingdom. Those are things of the past that no longer belong to it. It's a historical fact and that's an example of anachronism. ICE77 ( talk) 18:12, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
1. I really was not looking for a childish opinion from somebody with so much attitude and knowledge but I guess the world is full of babies that really know how to use computers nowadays. Aside from the fact I was not born 100+ years ago so my opinion would have never had any weight, it is important to point out that the opinion of millions of Irish who were alive at that time did not count at that time either and most Britons probably did not care either. It's obvious the UK government never had any plan to remove the red saltire from the Union Jack, especially in 1922, the year of Irish independence. It would have been equivalent to admitting they did not own most of Ireland anymore, a claim that started in 1169 with Henry II. Losing the Angevin Empire after the Hundred Years War was already a painful memory. Besides, the cost of replacing millions of flags across the UK would have been costly so there was no logic, impetus or interest behind such an inconvenient decision. The red cross, let's face it, is not even the topic I was discussing. Aside from the fleur-de-lis and the harp, the red cross is equally if not more out of place and anachronistic. It's nothing more than the perpetration of the tenets of people of the caliber of Henry II, Edward I or Henry VIII, all kings who were obsessed with power and dominion. The Union Jack should look like the one from 1606. It's a matter of fact but it's out of the scope of this discussion. I'm just pointing to fleur-de-lis and harp as symbols. This is not a matter of opinions. It's a matter of historical facts. ICE77 ( talk) 01:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Why is an unreliable blog used as a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.2.198 ( talk) 01:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
It is illegal for the public to fly the Lion Rampant from a building. In 1934, the King issued a Royal Warrant saying the public should by allowed to wave the Lion Rampant by hand to show their loyalty to the crown. There's some debate as to whether this is truly legal, or if the King was acting illegally, not that anybody in Scotland other than a few pedants actually gives a hoot. Don't have time to find a reference for this, but it's out there. -- Charlie Tango 22:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that this article is actually about an armorial banner. A Standard is a completely different vexillological item. Perhaps this article could be edited along the lines of the Royal Standard of Great Britain article, which makes clear that this usage of the word "standard" is strictly incorrect, though widely used.-- E va d b 11:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia.
Hey, I made an edit to the article Royal Standard of Scotland, which is the article you get re-directed to when you search for "lion rampant".
Exactly I added this -
The Lion Rampant, as the Standard of Scotland, has also been called the "Scottish National Standard" in the context of its use by a Scottish republican when asserting a claim of right to use this traditional leadership flag of the Scots.
This, fellow Wikipedians, is a good example of a troll, he seems to be oblivious to the fact that NO ONE shares his extremist opinions, I have seen videos by this nasty piece of work on Youtube, in which he says he wants to commit terrorism and regicide- TashkentFox 15:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
But the change I made has been reverted back to the original and I'm none the wiser who did it or why.
Now if there is no agreement on even mentioning Scottish republicans who use the lion rampant or linking to such an external site, maybe I should write a new article, named " Lion Rampant"?
Don't add links to your own website to Wikipedia, it is considered to be spam. The link is not considered to be important. Astrotrain 13:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Are the Lion Rampant and the Royal Standard of Scotland the same thing?
The lion rampant is frequently mentioned as a component of coats of arms, yet this refers to the red, guling(?), lion as also seen on the Royal Standard of Scotland, not the standard itself. For an example of this see Clan MacDuff.
I am curious about the origins of the Lion Rampant. How did a red Lion come to represent Scotland? In medieval times, how did the Scots even know about Lions? I think this is a subject separate from the Royal Standard of Scotland. -- Fergie 10:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
In answer to the original question, they are not the same thing as the lion rampant is used in more than just the royal banner of scotland, Its a heraldic term and can only really be specific with colours (for the field at least) applied. It just means a lion stood up and facing forwards. To my mind it shouldn't redirect here and should be a disambiguation page. I was sent here by a link regarding the use of the lion rampant by Peugeot which I'm told has nothing to do with the royal banner of scotland. that or it should redirect to Lion (Heraldry).( Morcus ( talk) 20:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC))
In answer to Fergie's question of long ago as to the origin of the lion rampant, I believe it became fashionable during the Crusades. If you look at the preferred emblem of early mediaeval leaders north of the Alps, the commonest symbol of leadership was the eagle, i.e. the king of the skies (used throughout history in Russia, Germany, Poland, the Balkans etc). After the Crusades the lion as the 'King of Beasts' starts to take over as the commonest symbol of kingship. Quite apart from knowledge of lions gained from the Bible, the lion symbol seems like an importation into northern Europe from the Mediterranean where it had been well known since Roman times. As to style, the fact that it stands upright and literally erect conveys the sense of an aggressive attack posture, symbolically apt for the warrior-leaders of the Middle Ages. ( User talk:Kim Traynor) 01:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC))
I changed this caption:
I replaced quadrant with the heraldic (and common) term quarter, and removed the last few words. The coat of arms of Canada is quarterly with a base added, not per fess; even if it were per fess (half-and-half), such technical language is unnecessary here; and parties is just weird. — Tamfang ( talk) 15:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
After several quick read-throughs, the article appears to be at or about GA-level. I'll therefore carry out a more detailed review secion by section against WP:WIAGA, but leaving the WP:Lead until last. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
....to be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
An interesting, well-illustrated and well-referenced article on a specialist subject.
Congratulations on the quality of the article, I'm awarding GA-status. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
If proportions for the Standard listed in the infobox is correct the Standard should look different with height bigger than the width. Can somebody clarify whether Standard should be changed according to proportions or vice a versa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorbins ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I happened to be over at Portal:Ireland and noticed that this article features prominently in their 'Did you know?' section:
See also:
Are there any solid academic refs that could be used on this article? Ta, -- Mais oui! ( talk) 04:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I was curious if anyone knew this. Beyond495 ( talk) 18:06, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
According to royal.gov.uk, the Queen’s official banner in Scotland is named the Royal Banner of the Royal Arms of Scotland. I'm not actually sure where the phrase Royal Standard of Scotland originates. Sources appear to suggest that the term Royal Standard came into use after the 16th century to refer to the combined English–Scottish banner, when the English Royal Standards (an entirely different style of flag) ceased to be used, suggesting that the Lion Rampant has never been referred to as a Royal Standard (except in modern, unofficial usage). Possibly, it's more correct to refer to it as a Royal Banner, as opposed to a Royal Standard. There is also a version of the Royal Standard of the United Kingdom for use in Scotland, making Royal Standard of Scotland a little ambiguous. Thoughts? Rob ( talk | contribs) 17:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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1. The section "Appearance in other royal flags" shows some royal flags that use the lion rampart. Some also use the harp which is as anachronistic as the fleur-de-lis. When George III gave up on France and George V gave up on Ireland those symbols should have been removed from the standards.
2. The second, fourth and fifth images in the gallery are pointless because the flags are so tiny no detail can be made out of them. Those images are useless.
ICE77 ( talk) 05:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
1. Your comment does not address the point. There is no correlation between harps or fleur-de-lis with the current kingdom. Those are things of the past that no longer belong to it. It's a historical fact and that's an example of anachronism. ICE77 ( talk) 18:12, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
1. I really was not looking for a childish opinion from somebody with so much attitude and knowledge but I guess the world is full of babies that really know how to use computers nowadays. Aside from the fact I was not born 100+ years ago so my opinion would have never had any weight, it is important to point out that the opinion of millions of Irish who were alive at that time did not count at that time either and most Britons probably did not care either. It's obvious the UK government never had any plan to remove the red saltire from the Union Jack, especially in 1922, the year of Irish independence. It would have been equivalent to admitting they did not own most of Ireland anymore, a claim that started in 1169 with Henry II. Losing the Angevin Empire after the Hundred Years War was already a painful memory. Besides, the cost of replacing millions of flags across the UK would have been costly so there was no logic, impetus or interest behind such an inconvenient decision. The red cross, let's face it, is not even the topic I was discussing. Aside from the fleur-de-lis and the harp, the red cross is equally if not more out of place and anachronistic. It's nothing more than the perpetration of the tenets of people of the caliber of Henry II, Edward I or Henry VIII, all kings who were obsessed with power and dominion. The Union Jack should look like the one from 1606. It's a matter of fact but it's out of the scope of this discussion. I'm just pointing to fleur-de-lis and harp as symbols. This is not a matter of opinions. It's a matter of historical facts. ICE77 ( talk) 01:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)