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Roy Williams did not retire from coaching at North Carolina in 1969. I believe it was 2021.. Would you please check your information on those dates??
Thank you.
Someone should mention his various coach of the year awards. Remember 18:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
The so-called "controversy" over Roy Williams leaving Kansas was really not controversial. Given the scope of College Basketball media coverage, this was a very small event in College Basketball History, and likewise a small event in the history of Roy Williams. He has been covered by the media countless times, and this was one of the many times, but it was not an event that should be the biggest section of his biography. Giving a small event like this the largest section in his biography is inappropriate and likely malicious. Until this paragraph can be edited down to reflect the scope of its importance (very little), the paragraph will be removed.
Actually, it was covered more extensively than any other coach who has left one program for another in recent years. This was due much in part to Mr. Williams own actions during this time, which included cursing on national television, and having long, drawn out, and public crying sessions.
I thought this was a page on a person and inclusive of biographical points in career. As one changes in career focus and age, these types of incidents tend to evolve and I was simply recording the event. Didn't create a "paragraph" and just entered a one line fact with a reference to an article. I think someone is just censoring this for his PR campaign. I guess he is lucky to have that service. 96.236.197.191 ( talk) 19:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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Roy Allen Williams (born August 1, 1950) is a college basketball coach, who is currently the head coach of the men's
basketball team at the
University of North Carolina in
Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
[1] He first started his college coaching career at University of North Carolina as an assistant coach for
Dean Smith in 1978. In 1988, Williams became the head coach of the men's basketball team at
University of Kansas, where he took them to fourteen consecutive NCAA tournaments, collecting an 80% win percentage, and winning nine conference titles over his fifteen year span at Kansas. In 2003, Williams left
Kansas to go back home to be the head coach at
North Carolina replacing
Matt Doherty. While Williams has been at North Carolina he has won six
ACC conference titles, two
ACC Coach of the Year awards in 2006 and 2011.He is second all-time for most wins at
Kansas behind
Phog Allen and at North Carolina behind mentor
Dean Smith. Additionally, he is eighth all-time in the
NCAA for winning percentage.
[2] Williams has over 700 career wins and is the fastest to reach this milestone to date.
[3] Williams has taken his teams to seven
Final Fours in his careers at Kansas and North Carolina and is one of only two coaches (along with
Rick Pitino) in NCAA history to have led two different programs to at least three
Final Fours each.
[4] On April 4, 2005, Williams shed his title as "the most successful coach to never have won an NCAA ring"
[5] as his Tarheels defeated the
University of Illinois in the
2005 NCAA championship game. In 2007, Williams was inducted into the
Basketball Hall of Fame.
[6] He would again lead the
Tar Heels to another National Championship victory on April 6, 2009 against the
Michigan State Spartans in the
2009 NCAA championship game.
References
This section seems to be getting a bit long, especially in proportion to the entire article. I tried to trim out the long block quote to save some space, as it's redundant information. That trim was quickly reverted on the grounds that a block quote was used above it. Ignoring the apples/oranges comparisons of the two quotes, I'd assume that the reader can read the sources without having to be spoon-fed? What say ye fellow editors? Dubc0724 16:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Why should KU's probation be mentioned when it was imposed in late 2006, and has nothing to do with the Williams violation? The paragraph referencing Gene Marsh said there should be no penalties.
Ebtunc2006
23:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Not aware of this 3 edit rule. I will not do that again. Cite where it says that he is a direct result of the violations. This belongs on a Kansas basketball page, not a Roy Williams page. How about we attempt to have this mediated? Ebtunc2006 00:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
You should reference the 3RR article where it mentions: Reverting unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material about living persons (see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). Your reference to KU's violations in regards to Coach Williams are considered "controversial material." I haven't broken any rules. Good day, dukie Ebtunc2006 00:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I read the 3RR article after you turned me in for it. Funny how you turn me in on it when you are apparently familiar with the exceptions to the 3RR policy. Clear case of misuse of 3RR. You appear to be an instigator here on Wikipedia. I will revert as much as I please considering this is controversial information, as you insist on listing a probation that has nothing to do with Coach Williams, and is already sourced in the article. Ebtunc2006 03:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
So, how shall we approach this in a civil manner? The compliance department and outside boosters are the reason for the violation. There is a detailed section on Coach Williams' violation, which he admitted to. Gene Marsh did not penalize Coach Williams or the Kansas basketball program for the gifts given to graduating players who had exhausted their elegibility. I am in no way suggesting removing the information about Coach Williams' admitting to a violation, but associating him with Kansas' probation makes no sense, because he was not responsible for it. This appears to simply be an attack by a Duke fan to discredit Coach Williams by associating the Kansas probation w/ Coach Williams. The Kansas probation would be more fitting on the Jayhawk basketball wiki.
Ebtunc2006
05:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted to version prior to dispute. I would appreciate other parties weighing in on this discussion. Ebtunc2006 05:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have found and sourced an article relating directly to the violation in question. This is more appropriate than a blanket statement about KU's probation. KU's probation deals with - as stated in the sourced article - men's football and women's basketball. Ebtunc2006 17:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
What in the Wide World of Sports is a "moderate season?" ("When Williams came to North Carolina, the Tar Heels were coming off of a moderate season"). I suppose it could be indifferent or mediocre or moderately successful (or moderately disastrous for that matter) but moderate? -- Countryroads ( talk) 00:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Williams' was partly responsible for KU's major infractions in men's basketball. How is it not part of his biography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TT46 ( talk • contribs) 02:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Some editors want to add information about an incident that occurred during a game against Presbyterian where a Presbyterian fan, Brian King, shouted during a free throw to Deon Thompson "Hey, Deon, don't miss it!" Roy Williams responded by saying something, (which we don't know what but he says it was something of the effect of ('Go get that guy and see what his problems are.') Security guards then came and talked to the man who heckled Deon Thompon. According to official reports, Director Steve Kirschner said security officers told him that the fan (1) appeared intoxicated, (2) wasn't in his ticketed seat and (3) had been asked to move earlier. UNC department of public safety spokesman Randy Young said Monday that King initially ignored officers and was uncooperative. "It was in the officers' opinion that he had been drinking," Young said. "At which point they made the decision that it would be better for himself and others that he was escorted from the building." Young said King was not arrested, nor were charges pressed or trespass orders issued. The fan has now objected to the characterization that he was intoxicated but has actually said that he has no hard feeling against Roy Williams. So how exactly does this belong on the encyclopedia article about Roy Williams. It is a minor incident and does not really have anything to do with Williams. If anything it has more to do with a conflict between the security at the Dean Dome and the heckler. Remember ( talk) 21:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Presbyterian Fangate still an open wound; North Carolina still picking at the scab Claim, not coach, irks evicted fan
As an alternative for dicussion, perhaps the solution to this issue is to add the information to the 2009–10 North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball team page instead of this page. I would have no problem with an accurate description of the events that happened being described there. Remember ( talk) 15:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is arguing against itself… open access… Wikipedia writes itself… Let me write myself….
The Winners write the history…
The losers finally write their own history…. I’ve been left out…
Who will write the history of this Coach... Will it Never include any criticism? There are four opinions now. two that think it should be mentioned and two that think not... Who will write history? Disclosure: I am not a founder of Wikipedia, but a founder of an exited software company. I have no conflict of interest on this Biography. I just simply started to edit and this became my project. Pepperweed ( talk) 01:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Just again... I think I have been bold and others have been censoring... and they leave no comment... How sad...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
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yes, this is me, I was not logged in... Pepperweed ( talk) 02:56, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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Roy Williams did not retire from coaching at North Carolina in 1969. I believe it was 2021.. Would you please check your information on those dates??
Thank you.
Someone should mention his various coach of the year awards. Remember 18:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
The so-called "controversy" over Roy Williams leaving Kansas was really not controversial. Given the scope of College Basketball media coverage, this was a very small event in College Basketball History, and likewise a small event in the history of Roy Williams. He has been covered by the media countless times, and this was one of the many times, but it was not an event that should be the biggest section of his biography. Giving a small event like this the largest section in his biography is inappropriate and likely malicious. Until this paragraph can be edited down to reflect the scope of its importance (very little), the paragraph will be removed.
Actually, it was covered more extensively than any other coach who has left one program for another in recent years. This was due much in part to Mr. Williams own actions during this time, which included cursing on national television, and having long, drawn out, and public crying sessions.
I thought this was a page on a person and inclusive of biographical points in career. As one changes in career focus and age, these types of incidents tend to evolve and I was simply recording the event. Didn't create a "paragraph" and just entered a one line fact with a reference to an article. I think someone is just censoring this for his PR campaign. I guess he is lucky to have that service. 96.236.197.191 ( talk) 19:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Edited and revised the Lead to this page:
Roy Allen Williams (born August 1, 1950) is a college basketball coach, who is currently the head coach of the men's
basketball team at the
University of North Carolina in
Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
[1] He first started his college coaching career at University of North Carolina as an assistant coach for
Dean Smith in 1978. In 1988, Williams became the head coach of the men's basketball team at
University of Kansas, where he took them to fourteen consecutive NCAA tournaments, collecting an 80% win percentage, and winning nine conference titles over his fifteen year span at Kansas. In 2003, Williams left
Kansas to go back home to be the head coach at
North Carolina replacing
Matt Doherty. While Williams has been at North Carolina he has won six
ACC conference titles, two
ACC Coach of the Year awards in 2006 and 2011.He is second all-time for most wins at
Kansas behind
Phog Allen and at North Carolina behind mentor
Dean Smith. Additionally, he is eighth all-time in the
NCAA for winning percentage.
[2] Williams has over 700 career wins and is the fastest to reach this milestone to date.
[3] Williams has taken his teams to seven
Final Fours in his careers at Kansas and North Carolina and is one of only two coaches (along with
Rick Pitino) in NCAA history to have led two different programs to at least three
Final Fours each.
[4] On April 4, 2005, Williams shed his title as "the most successful coach to never have won an NCAA ring"
[5] as his Tarheels defeated the
University of Illinois in the
2005 NCAA championship game. In 2007, Williams was inducted into the
Basketball Hall of Fame.
[6] He would again lead the
Tar Heels to another National Championship victory on April 6, 2009 against the
Michigan State Spartans in the
2009 NCAA championship game.
References
This section seems to be getting a bit long, especially in proportion to the entire article. I tried to trim out the long block quote to save some space, as it's redundant information. That trim was quickly reverted on the grounds that a block quote was used above it. Ignoring the apples/oranges comparisons of the two quotes, I'd assume that the reader can read the sources without having to be spoon-fed? What say ye fellow editors? Dubc0724 16:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Why should KU's probation be mentioned when it was imposed in late 2006, and has nothing to do with the Williams violation? The paragraph referencing Gene Marsh said there should be no penalties.
Ebtunc2006
23:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Not aware of this 3 edit rule. I will not do that again. Cite where it says that he is a direct result of the violations. This belongs on a Kansas basketball page, not a Roy Williams page. How about we attempt to have this mediated? Ebtunc2006 00:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
You should reference the 3RR article where it mentions: Reverting unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material about living persons (see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). Your reference to KU's violations in regards to Coach Williams are considered "controversial material." I haven't broken any rules. Good day, dukie Ebtunc2006 00:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I read the 3RR article after you turned me in for it. Funny how you turn me in on it when you are apparently familiar with the exceptions to the 3RR policy. Clear case of misuse of 3RR. You appear to be an instigator here on Wikipedia. I will revert as much as I please considering this is controversial information, as you insist on listing a probation that has nothing to do with Coach Williams, and is already sourced in the article. Ebtunc2006 03:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
So, how shall we approach this in a civil manner? The compliance department and outside boosters are the reason for the violation. There is a detailed section on Coach Williams' violation, which he admitted to. Gene Marsh did not penalize Coach Williams or the Kansas basketball program for the gifts given to graduating players who had exhausted their elegibility. I am in no way suggesting removing the information about Coach Williams' admitting to a violation, but associating him with Kansas' probation makes no sense, because he was not responsible for it. This appears to simply be an attack by a Duke fan to discredit Coach Williams by associating the Kansas probation w/ Coach Williams. The Kansas probation would be more fitting on the Jayhawk basketball wiki.
Ebtunc2006
05:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted to version prior to dispute. I would appreciate other parties weighing in on this discussion. Ebtunc2006 05:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have found and sourced an article relating directly to the violation in question. This is more appropriate than a blanket statement about KU's probation. KU's probation deals with - as stated in the sourced article - men's football and women's basketball. Ebtunc2006 17:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
What in the Wide World of Sports is a "moderate season?" ("When Williams came to North Carolina, the Tar Heels were coming off of a moderate season"). I suppose it could be indifferent or mediocre or moderately successful (or moderately disastrous for that matter) but moderate? -- Countryroads ( talk) 00:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Williams' was partly responsible for KU's major infractions in men's basketball. How is it not part of his biography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TT46 ( talk • contribs) 02:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Some editors want to add information about an incident that occurred during a game against Presbyterian where a Presbyterian fan, Brian King, shouted during a free throw to Deon Thompson "Hey, Deon, don't miss it!" Roy Williams responded by saying something, (which we don't know what but he says it was something of the effect of ('Go get that guy and see what his problems are.') Security guards then came and talked to the man who heckled Deon Thompon. According to official reports, Director Steve Kirschner said security officers told him that the fan (1) appeared intoxicated, (2) wasn't in his ticketed seat and (3) had been asked to move earlier. UNC department of public safety spokesman Randy Young said Monday that King initially ignored officers and was uncooperative. "It was in the officers' opinion that he had been drinking," Young said. "At which point they made the decision that it would be better for himself and others that he was escorted from the building." Young said King was not arrested, nor were charges pressed or trespass orders issued. The fan has now objected to the characterization that he was intoxicated but has actually said that he has no hard feeling against Roy Williams. So how exactly does this belong on the encyclopedia article about Roy Williams. It is a minor incident and does not really have anything to do with Williams. If anything it has more to do with a conflict between the security at the Dean Dome and the heckler. Remember ( talk) 21:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Presbyterian Fangate still an open wound; North Carolina still picking at the scab Claim, not coach, irks evicted fan
As an alternative for dicussion, perhaps the solution to this issue is to add the information to the 2009–10 North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball team page instead of this page. I would have no problem with an accurate description of the events that happened being described there. Remember ( talk) 15:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is arguing against itself… open access… Wikipedia writes itself… Let me write myself….
The Winners write the history…
The losers finally write their own history…. I’ve been left out…
Who will write the history of this Coach... Will it Never include any criticism? There are four opinions now. two that think it should be mentioned and two that think not... Who will write history? Disclosure: I am not a founder of Wikipedia, but a founder of an exited software company. I have no conflict of interest on this Biography. I just simply started to edit and this became my project. Pepperweed ( talk) 01:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Just again... I think I have been bold and others have been censoring... and they leave no comment... How sad...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
96.236.197.191 ( talk) 02:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
yes, this is me, I was not logged in... Pepperweed ( talk) 02:56, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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