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This is a really weird case when a person is under the name that is less conventional, and an unconvential name includes an incorrect first name on top of it. Sashazlv & Irpen 04:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Move to Roxelana
This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 22:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Are there any serious English language sources, other than WP mirrors, which call her "Aleksandra"? If so, please bring them up here. Thanks! -- Irpen 21:14, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, I removed it until someone finds some supporting info for this name. I don't mind having several names in the article of course. I removed it only because the name seems simply incorrect. -- Irpen 15:56, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Newly added:
Any refs, especially regarding sex slavery. I never heard about this connection which doesn't mean that there is none. -- Irpen 19:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
No one is saying that the problem of sex-slavery has no connection with Ukraine. I was just surprized that this problem is associated with Roxolana. Even if someone makes such a connection, her cultural legacy in Ukraine is mainly defined by Zagrebelny's book rather than by a more modern phenomenon of women being forced into prostitution. So, having this section with just this might mislead the reader into thinking that this is her most significant legacy. I would say, remove this in toto, if you ask me. A different option would be to write an expaned section on her cultural legacy, where this could be mentioned but not as the only or even the most significant thing she is remembered for. If anyone can write it, fine with me. -- Irpen 07:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Although I have read some of the primary sources dealing with Roxelana, I have not read all of them. But from what I have read, both primary and secondary materials, the indications are that she was by origin a Ukrainian of the Orthodox Christian confession. I know of no evidence that she was Jewish and think this unlikely. Certainly, primary authorities, contemporaries like Michael the Lithuanian, who was probably a Ruthenian nobleman, would not have claimed her for their own were she Jewish. Therefore, until such evidence be brought forth, I think it best to delete reference in the article to any possible Jewish background. Mike Stoyik 22:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
This image appears to be a more contemporary painting than the other ones shown here. Should it be included in the article? (I'm not an expert, just found it at the page for Suleiman the Magnificent). DavidRF ( talk) 15:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone think this page goes a bit overboard with images? Spartan198 ( talk) 06:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Someone has attempted several times to copy-paste move this article to the title Hürrem. If someone wants to start a discussion about moving this article to that title formally, that is fine, but one can't just copy-paste the text from this article over the redirect simply because one wishes to see the article renamed. Please do this the right way. -- Jayron 32 15:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
we can expand where she was in movies and fiction. I remember seeing a movie about her about a year ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp0 ( talk • contribs) 00:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Her relationship with the Sultan is main focus of "Sultan", a Turkish telenovella (i.e. TV-drama with a very high but fixed number of episodes), which was very popular in Eastern Europe and probably many other places last year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:130:400:1660:64C7:A290:BE58:14FA ( talk) 23:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
There is almost no evidence of her life before her time in the Ottoman palace, so did someone find her 15th century identity papers where this name was written. How is this information even known? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I am not questioning that this name is used by modern authors but historically this name has probably no base. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 07:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC) But I don't know for sure maybe it was documented? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 17:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
As per all sources I could find, her name was Anastasia. Besides, she was a Ruthenian rather than Polish lady, so "Lisovska" seems more appropriate. But these two things can be decided later and separately from the main issue, that this person is also known as Roxelana and the article should be called as such. I just post this here for now to solicit preliminary opinions, and I will post a proposal at WP:RM. Regards, -- Irpen 05:03, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
I see that nobody objects. Sashazlv 04:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Will post at WP:RM. Guys, please keep track of announcement boards at both RU and UA portals (two boards per each), there is a couple of similar discussions. Thanks! -- Irpen 03:15, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think the article should be named Hurrem Sultan and Roxelana should be mentioned below. After all, that was her name.-- 142.105.56.155 ( talk) 03:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Category:Articles containing Arabic-language text is now redlnked, I can't find it in the main list, maybe in a template? But it's Arabic SCRIPT, the language is Ottoman, not Arabic..... Skookum1 ( talk) 12:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 16:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Roxelana → Hürrem Sultan – Her official royal name is Hürrem Sultan, she is also known by this nickname (Roxelana). Many Ottoman sultanas were known by some nicknames in other countries. For example Roxelana's daughter, Mihrimah Sultan, is also known as "Cameria" or Mahidevran Sultan is also known as "Rosne Pranvere", but we should only use their more famous names as in Mihrimah and Mahidevran, so I think we should move "Roxelana" to "Hürrem Sultan". This is the name that she is known with as the wife of the Sultan and her most common name. She is more famous with the name "Hürrem". --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:50, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Keivan.f Talk 15:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Idk why people say there is no Queen in ottoman empire, of course there is Hurrem Sultan was a Queen, the term Sulta/Sultana means Either male ruler or Female, I know, im from turkey I know this stuff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.211.227 ( talk) 07:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
and just look further into the history of the ottoman empire they use the terms empress/Queen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.211.227 ( talk) 18:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
The current article say she was Empress. The position may be equivalent, but if she never had this title, the article shouldn't claim so. -- Aciram ( talk) 22:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
-- 118.141.32.226 ( talk) 14:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I came across some references which are simply lost or damaged. this one for example; Ayşe Özakbaş, Hürrem Sultan, Tarih Dergisi, Sayı 36, 2000. If someone can please fix them that would be great. Worldandhistory ( talk) 15:59, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Hürrem Sultan was an Ottoman figure. Her significance is primarily for Ottoman history, so her article should be titled after her Ottoman name. Modern academic historians writing about her (such as Leslie Peirce in The Imperial Harem (1993)), call her Hürrem, not Roxelana. Chamboz ( talk) 02:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
This is a problem on a lot of Ottoman pages, but in her infobox under her name it lists the following titles:
"Meryem-hilkat Asiye-'iffet Hatice-hürmet Fâtımâ-'ismet Vâlide-i sa'ide Mehd-i Ulya-i Sultanat Vâlide-i Padişah"
This is useless to the reader without context and probably unnecessary anyway. I propose replacing all of this with "Haseki Sultan" and including a section on titles in the body of the article, if there is any need for such a thing at all. Chamboz ( talk) 19:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
She must have been poisoned by Nurbanu Sultan. You know, that she was poisoned is true. But she was most probably poisoned by Nurbanu Sultan and Rüstem Pasha. Because at that time Nurbanu Sultan and Rüstem Pasha's relationship grew more and more because of Mahidevran Haseki Sultan. Let them, Selim was Mahidevran Sultan's side. I don't mean he was an enemy of his mother - he was mentioned with Sarkhosh Selim, how can he be? - but he was probably affected by Sehzade Mustafa like the youngest Cihangir, do you not think so? Suppose that you never have your step out of the palace, that you are affected by your step-brother is normal I think. Please answer me... Thanks User:Gerçek tarih 12:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Nurabnu was her daughter in law,Nurbanu was the Wife of Selim II
and Rüstem Pasha her daughter Mirhimah Sultan's Husband
What you talking a Bullshit.
Selim II,was like his Mother...Face and Charakter and he do not like Mahidevran... He gave her a little bit Money as she came to him and ask them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilek2 ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I believe Hürrem could have died from an illness. It can be false but this can be one of the possibilities Faris murad ( talk) 21:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. DrStrauss talk 18:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Roxelana →
Hurrem Sultan – Most modern scholarly sources seem to prefer Hurrem over Roxelana. Colin Imber says "Hurrem, the concubine whom European sources remember as Roxelana" - he continues to refer to her as Hurrem. We should follow the sources and do the same.
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Comment Hürrem Sultan would probably be the correct spelling of the name for the artıcle, İ was concerned about what we are more likely to link to naturally, but Hurrem Sultan can be set up as a redirect.
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Comment Hürrem Sultan is the spelling of her name in modern Turkish, while in Ottoman Turkish (and thus most academic renderings of her name, like that of Peirce) it is Hurrem Sultan. My preference is for the latter.
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Hürrem Sultan; c. 1502 – 15 April 1558)
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Hurrem Sultan; c. 1502, Rohatyn, Kingdom of Poland- !5 April Istanbul Ottoman Empire
Born in Ruthenia, which was then occupied by the Kingdom of Poland, suggested change into Born in the Ruthenian voivodship in the Kingdom of Poland. RUTHENIA WAS NOT OCCUPIED BY THE KINGDOM OF POLAND BUT IT WAS PART OF IT FOR MORE THAN 400 YEARS> RUTHENIA WAS NOT A INDEPENDENT STATE ? COUNTRY BUT JUST A REGION ? VOIVODSHIP , THE ADMINISTATIVE UNIT OF THE !^ TH CENTURY POLAND. Please do not allow some amateurs editing the article as it is totally misleading and making our work extremely difficult.
Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then occupied by the Polish Crown.
suggested change into
Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenian voivodship in the Kingdom of Poland. The statement of Ruthenia being occupied by the Polish crown is stylistically wrong. Please do not let the amateurs editing the articles of historical figures. Hurrem sultan was born in the 16th century and in those time frames she should be viewed and considered therefore she was born in the 16th century Kingdom of Poland in the Ruthenian voivodship c. 1502. So please do not change it into Ukraine as Ukraine in that period did not exist and was created in 1991 after the fall of Communism, neither do please change it into Ruthenia alone as it was not an independent state. If the 16 century people were allowed passports of other ID documents Hurrem Sultan or Anastasia Lisowska ( Lisowski / Lisowska is also a very typical Polish surname which means fox's, you can find lots of Lisowski surname currently living in Poland and all those who have this name and live elsewhere certainly have Polish ancestry) would have respectively Polish and Ottoman passport and citizenship.
Michailo Lithuanus wrote in the 16th century that "the most beloved wife of the present Turkish emperor – mother of his primogenital [son] who will govern after him, was kidnapped from our land".[i][7]
suggested edit into;
Samuel Twardowski wrote in the 16th century that "the most beloved wife of the present Turkish emperor – mother of his primogenital [son] who will govern after him, was kidnapped from our land".[i][7] Please do not change it into some Michailo Lithuanus but please do check by yourself. The Polish writer, diarist who researched himself on the subject in Turkey and was an expert of the Ottoman matters wrote that the wife of the current Turkish sultan was kidnapped from our land. Just Please please please do not not change that into a Michailo Lithuanus.
Besides there are two letters Hurrem sultan wrote to the king of her native country ( which wasn't Ukraine or Ruthenia but Poland) There was no such thing like Ukrainian king or a Ruthenian king but all that land belong to the Kingdom of Poland in the period of the 16 century and before and beyond. This is a request of a group of the historian linguists and other researchers who work hard on making the historical facts correct and you wikipedia please do not make our work so very difficult .. and do not allow the amateurs editing the article. There were several letters now sent to the Ministries of Poland and other history institutes that may take that matter further to courts or similar. Your statement that Polish Kingdom "occupied " Ruthenia is total and utter none sense. and it is a serious accusation of the Polish state and an open bullying of the Polish citizens. As you certainly know now the AI has been created to protect the Polish citizens from online bullying and abuse.
Could you please make changes of the above sections and close this matter? We cannot continue this falsehood and accusing the Polish state of whatever "occupations" that had never existed and Ruthenia for centuries was just a. region a voivodship of Poland.
It is very sad to see that , especially for us who were always actively supporting wikipedia. From now all the donations will be stopped and now 1707 people will no longer donate to wikipedia and won't support it. Login112 ( talk) 02:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Ruthenia was a vast region encompassing modern Ukraine and Belarus. I added that she was from the specific region of Galicia. This has been removed. I also added that this region is in modern Ukraine. This, too, has been removed: [7]. Her name Roxolana is a common Ukrainian name, probably derived from the Roxolani tribe. Faustian ( talk) 04:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Some other, slightly later versions of Hurrem's birth year exist on some Ukrainian history articles I found on Holos Ukraini, as see in http://www.golos.com.ua/article/195893 http://www.golos.com.ua/article/229739 The former said she was captured in 1520 and she was around 13-15 at the time, while the latter confirmed her year of birth to be 1506. Regardless of their veracity and accuracy, it would be good to take them as reference, as few sources existed about Hurrem's life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffrey Zhehao Li ( talk • contribs) 07:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
1505-1506 Mariam110906 ( talk) 12:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Has anyone else noticed that her letter to Sigismund is signed "Haseki Sultan"? Wouldn't that imply then that Haseki, rather than Hürrem or Roxelana, was the name by which she went in life, at least in an official capacity? Dlayiga ( talk) 06:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Uknown Mariam110906 ( talk) 12:53, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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This is a really weird case when a person is under the name that is less conventional, and an unconvential name includes an incorrect first name on top of it. Sashazlv & Irpen 04:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Move to Roxelana
This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 22:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Are there any serious English language sources, other than WP mirrors, which call her "Aleksandra"? If so, please bring them up here. Thanks! -- Irpen 21:14, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, I removed it until someone finds some supporting info for this name. I don't mind having several names in the article of course. I removed it only because the name seems simply incorrect. -- Irpen 15:56, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Newly added:
Any refs, especially regarding sex slavery. I never heard about this connection which doesn't mean that there is none. -- Irpen 19:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
No one is saying that the problem of sex-slavery has no connection with Ukraine. I was just surprized that this problem is associated with Roxolana. Even if someone makes such a connection, her cultural legacy in Ukraine is mainly defined by Zagrebelny's book rather than by a more modern phenomenon of women being forced into prostitution. So, having this section with just this might mislead the reader into thinking that this is her most significant legacy. I would say, remove this in toto, if you ask me. A different option would be to write an expaned section on her cultural legacy, where this could be mentioned but not as the only or even the most significant thing she is remembered for. If anyone can write it, fine with me. -- Irpen 07:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Although I have read some of the primary sources dealing with Roxelana, I have not read all of them. But from what I have read, both primary and secondary materials, the indications are that she was by origin a Ukrainian of the Orthodox Christian confession. I know of no evidence that she was Jewish and think this unlikely. Certainly, primary authorities, contemporaries like Michael the Lithuanian, who was probably a Ruthenian nobleman, would not have claimed her for their own were she Jewish. Therefore, until such evidence be brought forth, I think it best to delete reference in the article to any possible Jewish background. Mike Stoyik 22:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
This image appears to be a more contemporary painting than the other ones shown here. Should it be included in the article? (I'm not an expert, just found it at the page for Suleiman the Magnificent). DavidRF ( talk) 15:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone think this page goes a bit overboard with images? Spartan198 ( talk) 06:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Someone has attempted several times to copy-paste move this article to the title Hürrem. If someone wants to start a discussion about moving this article to that title formally, that is fine, but one can't just copy-paste the text from this article over the redirect simply because one wishes to see the article renamed. Please do this the right way. -- Jayron 32 15:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
we can expand where she was in movies and fiction. I remember seeing a movie about her about a year ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp0 ( talk • contribs) 00:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Her relationship with the Sultan is main focus of "Sultan", a Turkish telenovella (i.e. TV-drama with a very high but fixed number of episodes), which was very popular in Eastern Europe and probably many other places last year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:130:400:1660:64C7:A290:BE58:14FA ( talk) 23:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
There is almost no evidence of her life before her time in the Ottoman palace, so did someone find her 15th century identity papers where this name was written. How is this information even known? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I am not questioning that this name is used by modern authors but historically this name has probably no base. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 07:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC) But I don't know for sure maybe it was documented? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 17:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
As per all sources I could find, her name was Anastasia. Besides, she was a Ruthenian rather than Polish lady, so "Lisovska" seems more appropriate. But these two things can be decided later and separately from the main issue, that this person is also known as Roxelana and the article should be called as such. I just post this here for now to solicit preliminary opinions, and I will post a proposal at WP:RM. Regards, -- Irpen 05:03, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
I see that nobody objects. Sashazlv 04:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Will post at WP:RM. Guys, please keep track of announcement boards at both RU and UA portals (two boards per each), there is a couple of similar discussions. Thanks! -- Irpen 03:15, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think the article should be named Hurrem Sultan and Roxelana should be mentioned below. After all, that was her name.-- 142.105.56.155 ( talk) 03:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Category:Articles containing Arabic-language text is now redlnked, I can't find it in the main list, maybe in a template? But it's Arabic SCRIPT, the language is Ottoman, not Arabic..... Skookum1 ( talk) 12:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 16:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Roxelana → Hürrem Sultan – Her official royal name is Hürrem Sultan, she is also known by this nickname (Roxelana). Many Ottoman sultanas were known by some nicknames in other countries. For example Roxelana's daughter, Mihrimah Sultan, is also known as "Cameria" or Mahidevran Sultan is also known as "Rosne Pranvere", but we should only use their more famous names as in Mihrimah and Mahidevran, so I think we should move "Roxelana" to "Hürrem Sultan". This is the name that she is known with as the wife of the Sultan and her most common name. She is more famous with the name "Hürrem". --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:50, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Keivan.f Talk 15:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Idk why people say there is no Queen in ottoman empire, of course there is Hurrem Sultan was a Queen, the term Sulta/Sultana means Either male ruler or Female, I know, im from turkey I know this stuff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.211.227 ( talk) 07:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
and just look further into the history of the ottoman empire they use the terms empress/Queen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.211.227 ( talk) 18:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
The current article say she was Empress. The position may be equivalent, but if she never had this title, the article shouldn't claim so. -- Aciram ( talk) 22:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
-- 118.141.32.226 ( talk) 14:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I came across some references which are simply lost or damaged. this one for example; Ayşe Özakbaş, Hürrem Sultan, Tarih Dergisi, Sayı 36, 2000. If someone can please fix them that would be great. Worldandhistory ( talk) 15:59, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Hürrem Sultan was an Ottoman figure. Her significance is primarily for Ottoman history, so her article should be titled after her Ottoman name. Modern academic historians writing about her (such as Leslie Peirce in The Imperial Harem (1993)), call her Hürrem, not Roxelana. Chamboz ( talk) 02:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
This is a problem on a lot of Ottoman pages, but in her infobox under her name it lists the following titles:
"Meryem-hilkat Asiye-'iffet Hatice-hürmet Fâtımâ-'ismet Vâlide-i sa'ide Mehd-i Ulya-i Sultanat Vâlide-i Padişah"
This is useless to the reader without context and probably unnecessary anyway. I propose replacing all of this with "Haseki Sultan" and including a section on titles in the body of the article, if there is any need for such a thing at all. Chamboz ( talk) 19:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
She must have been poisoned by Nurbanu Sultan. You know, that she was poisoned is true. But she was most probably poisoned by Nurbanu Sultan and Rüstem Pasha. Because at that time Nurbanu Sultan and Rüstem Pasha's relationship grew more and more because of Mahidevran Haseki Sultan. Let them, Selim was Mahidevran Sultan's side. I don't mean he was an enemy of his mother - he was mentioned with Sarkhosh Selim, how can he be? - but he was probably affected by Sehzade Mustafa like the youngest Cihangir, do you not think so? Suppose that you never have your step out of the palace, that you are affected by your step-brother is normal I think. Please answer me... Thanks User:Gerçek tarih 12:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Nurabnu was her daughter in law,Nurbanu was the Wife of Selim II
and Rüstem Pasha her daughter Mirhimah Sultan's Husband
What you talking a Bullshit.
Selim II,was like his Mother...Face and Charakter and he do not like Mahidevran... He gave her a little bit Money as she came to him and ask them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilek2 ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I believe Hürrem could have died from an illness. It can be false but this can be one of the possibilities Faris murad ( talk) 21:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. DrStrauss talk 18:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Roxelana →
Hurrem Sultan – Most modern scholarly sources seem to prefer Hurrem over Roxelana. Colin Imber says "Hurrem, the concubine whom European sources remember as Roxelana" - he continues to refer to her as Hurrem. We should follow the sources and do the same.
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16:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment Hürrem Sultan would probably be the correct spelling of the name for the artıcle, İ was concerned about what we are more likely to link to naturally, but Hurrem Sultan can be set up as a redirect.
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Comment Hürrem Sultan is the spelling of her name in modern Turkish, while in Ottoman Turkish (and thus most academic renderings of her name, like that of Peirce) it is Hurrem Sultan. My preference is for the latter.
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Hürrem Sultan; c. 1502 – 15 April 1558)
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Hurrem Sultan; c. 1502, Rohatyn, Kingdom of Poland- !5 April Istanbul Ottoman Empire
Born in Ruthenia, which was then occupied by the Kingdom of Poland, suggested change into Born in the Ruthenian voivodship in the Kingdom of Poland. RUTHENIA WAS NOT OCCUPIED BY THE KINGDOM OF POLAND BUT IT WAS PART OF IT FOR MORE THAN 400 YEARS> RUTHENIA WAS NOT A INDEPENDENT STATE ? COUNTRY BUT JUST A REGION ? VOIVODSHIP , THE ADMINISTATIVE UNIT OF THE !^ TH CENTURY POLAND. Please do not allow some amateurs editing the article as it is totally misleading and making our work extremely difficult.
Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then occupied by the Polish Crown.
suggested change into
Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenian voivodship in the Kingdom of Poland. The statement of Ruthenia being occupied by the Polish crown is stylistically wrong. Please do not let the amateurs editing the articles of historical figures. Hurrem sultan was born in the 16th century and in those time frames she should be viewed and considered therefore she was born in the 16th century Kingdom of Poland in the Ruthenian voivodship c. 1502. So please do not change it into Ukraine as Ukraine in that period did not exist and was created in 1991 after the fall of Communism, neither do please change it into Ruthenia alone as it was not an independent state. If the 16 century people were allowed passports of other ID documents Hurrem Sultan or Anastasia Lisowska ( Lisowski / Lisowska is also a very typical Polish surname which means fox's, you can find lots of Lisowski surname currently living in Poland and all those who have this name and live elsewhere certainly have Polish ancestry) would have respectively Polish and Ottoman passport and citizenship.
Michailo Lithuanus wrote in the 16th century that "the most beloved wife of the present Turkish emperor – mother of his primogenital [son] who will govern after him, was kidnapped from our land".[i][7]
suggested edit into;
Samuel Twardowski wrote in the 16th century that "the most beloved wife of the present Turkish emperor – mother of his primogenital [son] who will govern after him, was kidnapped from our land".[i][7] Please do not change it into some Michailo Lithuanus but please do check by yourself. The Polish writer, diarist who researched himself on the subject in Turkey and was an expert of the Ottoman matters wrote that the wife of the current Turkish sultan was kidnapped from our land. Just Please please please do not not change that into a Michailo Lithuanus.
Besides there are two letters Hurrem sultan wrote to the king of her native country ( which wasn't Ukraine or Ruthenia but Poland) There was no such thing like Ukrainian king or a Ruthenian king but all that land belong to the Kingdom of Poland in the period of the 16 century and before and beyond. This is a request of a group of the historian linguists and other researchers who work hard on making the historical facts correct and you wikipedia please do not make our work so very difficult .. and do not allow the amateurs editing the article. There were several letters now sent to the Ministries of Poland and other history institutes that may take that matter further to courts or similar. Your statement that Polish Kingdom "occupied " Ruthenia is total and utter none sense. and it is a serious accusation of the Polish state and an open bullying of the Polish citizens. As you certainly know now the AI has been created to protect the Polish citizens from online bullying and abuse.
Could you please make changes of the above sections and close this matter? We cannot continue this falsehood and accusing the Polish state of whatever "occupations" that had never existed and Ruthenia for centuries was just a. region a voivodship of Poland.
It is very sad to see that , especially for us who were always actively supporting wikipedia. From now all the donations will be stopped and now 1707 people will no longer donate to wikipedia and won't support it. Login112 ( talk) 02:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Ruthenia was a vast region encompassing modern Ukraine and Belarus. I added that she was from the specific region of Galicia. This has been removed. I also added that this region is in modern Ukraine. This, too, has been removed: [7]. Her name Roxolana is a common Ukrainian name, probably derived from the Roxolani tribe. Faustian ( talk) 04:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Some other, slightly later versions of Hurrem's birth year exist on some Ukrainian history articles I found on Holos Ukraini, as see in http://www.golos.com.ua/article/195893 http://www.golos.com.ua/article/229739 The former said she was captured in 1520 and she was around 13-15 at the time, while the latter confirmed her year of birth to be 1506. Regardless of their veracity and accuracy, it would be good to take them as reference, as few sources existed about Hurrem's life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffrey Zhehao Li ( talk • contribs) 07:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
1505-1506 Mariam110906 ( talk) 12:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Has anyone else noticed that her letter to Sigismund is signed "Haseki Sultan"? Wouldn't that imply then that Haseki, rather than Hürrem or Roxelana, was the name by which she went in life, at least in an official capacity? Dlayiga ( talk) 06:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Uknown Mariam110906 ( talk) 12:53, 9 September 2021 (UTC)