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The chapel is described in your text as being the choir of much larger church. This was a local belief in my childhood and was long ago disproved.Even the most cursory of examination by an architect or an artisan mason reveals the fact that the chapel is complete as intended by the builder and the "unfinished" part is merely another part of the symbolism of the structure. Needless to say, theories abound as to the meaning of this particular feature.
Surely there must be a lot more to write about the Rosslyn Chapel. A picture of it for instance. The chapel is the place of action at the end of the immencely popular novel The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown. I myself would be very interested to know more about it. Of cource, there is always the official page of the chapel, but a wikipedia article would be perferred abelson 12:09, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
I moved this line from the apprentices pillar page, as the pillar itself does not contain such figures, but they are present in the chapel generally SgtThroat 14:09, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
-- The chapel is a replica of the temple of King Solomon in jerusalem and the "unfinished wall" is a replica of the torn down wall as the chapel was discovered buried by the knights templar. the end stones have not "weathered" appropriately and were actually cut into the shape that they have. As for the floor plan of the chapel any comparison of placement and sizing of pillars and stones will be shown to be identical to those for the temple King Solomon built.
-- Isn't the chapel actually a replica of Herod's Temple as the Knights Templars believed the ruins they were excavating to be those of Solomons Temple when in fact the layers they excavated were Herod's. [From the Hiram Key by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas] ---Not so; there is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that Roslin Chapel was a replica of either Solomon or Herod's temple, This is simply a romantic conjecture. The same applies to the 'connection' between the Templars and freemasonry, and indeed to the 'connection; between the Templar order and modern 'Templar' clubs. -- It should also be noted that the relationship between Freemasonry and the Knights Templar is challeneged by the current "owners" of the chapel the Catholic Church as a result of their branding the organization heretical in 1306. Follow up further.
Don't bother. Rosslyn is NOT owned by the Catholic Church, but the Scottish Episcopal Church (part of the Anglican Communion).
Exile 22:51, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Though not the original author of this i've re-written this totally and made it les POV - I think its NPOV but can someone check it? Thanks. I've also added in (most) points here in too. Guest
I have removed a reference to Robert Lomas's The Hiram Key as being the first publication of the connection between Rosslyn Chapel and Freemasonry. It was an inaccurate statement. If any book "first publicized" this connection it would either be "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" or "Born in Blood", both of which were written several years before The Hiram Key. More to the point, as the article states: "The chapel has long been famous for its possible connections to Freemasonry and its attendant rituals." Since The Hiram Key was only published very recently (in 1996) it could hardly be the first publication of this long famous connection. Blueboar 18:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
+I saw above that the prentice pillar contains no masonic images, however the story of the apprentice and the master is a veiled masonic allegory.
+I realize that the story itself is not masonic, but it does have similarities to stories played out in the masonic 3rd degree re: the master and overreaching apprentices, that is what I meant.
The story about the master and prentice is certainly about masons (with a small m). Since the place is about hidden symbolism and Freemasonry is about hidden symbols, a layman would surely see that a connection with Freemasonry. It depends if you're talking about the layman's view or the expert's view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.99.150 ( talk) 21:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Are we sure that the modern Knights Templar that use the chapel for their initiations is indeed a Masonic group? I know there are various organizations calling themselves Knights Templar... some of which are connected to Freemasonry, and some which are not. I have no problem with the statement if it is indeed the Masonic Knights Templar that we are talking about... but I do want to be accurate. Blueboar 16:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Kjetilbjornsrud has added a few pictures to the Freemasonry paragraph... I do have a problem with them that should be discussed. 1) I have always disagreed with the interpretation that says some of the carvings show Maize (or Indian Corn)... to me these look like styalistic leaves of lilly. I know that Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, and Knight & Lomas, go on and on about this some how "proves" that the Knights Templar or the Masons went to North America before Columbus, but there is no real evidence to support this. At minimum there should be a question mark in the caption to show that this is a theory and not fact. 2) What is the evidence that the so called "Masonic Carvings" are Masonic. I do not know what they are, but I have never come across them in Masonry. 3) If we are going to include a picture of the Apprentice Pillar, some explanation of why this is associated with Freemasonry should be included in the text. Blueboar 01:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
OK... we seem to be haveing a revert war over the inclusion of A Group of Scottish Knights Templar with pictures of Rosslyn Chapel in the External Links. Would each side of this disagreement please discuss why this should or should not be included? It will help the rest of us reach a concensus. Blueboar 14:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Good initiative Blueboar and hope this works. A Group of Scottish Knights Templar with pictures of Rosslyn Chapel is being deleted regularly by apparently connected IP addresses see 166.66.16.116 without any reason being given, though Guinnog in deleting once only today described it as worthless. Deletion without reason is usually a form of vandalism hence revert. -- Kyndinos 11:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Improved the link so that it goes straight to the photos, with more description: A Group of Scottish Knights Templar in Rosslyn Chapel with other Chapel Pictures. They are nice, recent photos of the Chapel. As it was Guinnog had a good point, the link was difficult to follow. Perhaps it is ok now. -- Kyndinos 14:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
166.66.16.103 has deleted link A Group of Scottish Knights Templar in Rosslyn Chapel with other Chapel Pictures. again without discussion, making some 12 deletions by this user in 21 days, reverted by 5 different users. -- Kyndinos 14:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
---The is no debate among medieval scholars about the relationship between the Templars and Rosslyn (or ROslin as iot is generally spelt in medieval documents), nor is there any agreement among scholars that the chapel building is 'certainly masonic'. Roslin was built as a collegiate church at least two centuries before the birth of freemasonry----CsinC
Incidentaly, im from Edinburg and have some pics of my own that i will add soon, also have some video that i can add if i figure out how to convert WMV to OGG. lol :) Terrasidius ( talk) 16:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The article makes several allusions to there being some sort of connection between the Chapel and the historical Knights Templar. However, other than mentioning that some of the the Sinclair's were Templars, it does not really go into any details. Now, I have heard that the connection is mostly speculation and theory, and not proven fact, but at least we could discuss what the speculations and theories are! (similar to the way we discuss some of the Masonic connection theories). I would place this section before the section on Freemasonry (as the KTs come before the Masons historically). I don't know enough to add it, but I would like to have it. Blueboar 23:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Parties interested in medieval Scotland should look to R. Nicholson 'Scotland, The Later Middle Ages' , A. Barrell 'Medieval Scotland', G. Barrow 'Robert the Bruce and the Community of the Rewalm of Scotland' Bain's 'Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland' Stuarts 'The Exchequer Rolls of Scotland' (Vol.1) and Stevenson's 'Documents Illustrative of Scottish History' for a decent grounding in Scotland in the 13-14th centuries. (CSinc)
I notice that while there is a reference section, there are no citations. Now, I know that much of the hoopla about the chapel is based on speculation and theory, but at least we could cite reputable sources to back up the fact that these speculations actually exist and who has proposed them. Blueboar 12:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Historians Mark Oxbrow, Ian Robertson [2] Karen Ralls and Louise Yeoman [3] have made it clear that the St Clair family had no connection with the Mediaeval Knights Templar. Their testimony against them at the 1309 trial is not consistent with their alleged support. In "The Templars and the Grail" p.110 Karen Ralls quoting "The Knights Templar in England" p.200-1 states that among some 50 who testified against the Templars were Henry and William Sinclair. The original source of this seems to be "Processus jactus contra Templarios in Scotia" from David Wilkins' "Concilla Magnae Britanniae et Hiberniae." [4] Father Hay who also wrote a very brief, but sympathetic Templar history, made no connection between the Templars and Sinclairs in his work "Genealogie of the SainteClaires of Rosslyn" [5]. There is no proof of a marriage between Catherine St Clair and Hugh de Payens [6]. The Templar connection has developed through Freemasonry in the 19th Century, and modern non-masonic Templars who claim a mediaeval St Clair connection are mistaken, and are actually following a modern masonic tradition.-- Quaerere Verum 11:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
For several months I have been asking for citations to back the material in this article. Since citations have not been forthcoming, I have now removed almost every statement that was uncited, (as per WP:V). I have no problem with someone returning the material, provided that it is properly cited. Blueboar 21:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
As I know that some people who edit this page will want to comment one way or the other, there is currently an AfD debate going on at La Merika. Please feel free to comment. The issue is a distinct lack of citations, which raises problems with WP:FRINGE, WP:V and NOR Blueboar 22:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The Apprentice Pillar is a pillar in Rosslyn Chapel, as you know. Does it really need its own separate article? ::Supergolden:: 17:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I tried understanding the (very long) 2nd sentence of the article several times, but it obviously needs punctuation or re-writing to make sense. EdX20 18:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I have a problem with this section... while I think it is probably accurate, without a source that says so, it amounts to a violation of WP:NOR. Blueboar ( talk) 22:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
IP user 166.66.16.116 seems insistant that we not mention the fact that the Chapel was originally Roman Catholic... I would ask him to explain why he/she keeps removing this information. It isn't like the information is controversial... The chapel was built prior to the reformation. Every church in Scotland was RC in those days. The article goes on to discuss what happened after the reformation. So why the constant removal? Blueboar ( talk) 20:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to imply that there is an alternative theory to maize being a crop developed in Mexico and unknown in Europe prior to 1492?
Maize is not hypothesized to be a crop solely with American origins. That is established fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.109.53 ( talk) 15:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Having visited Roslyn Chapel and been informed that the carvings in question were ears of corn, I disagreed at once, telling our guide that said carvings resembled racemes of sorghum more than they did ears of corn. I agree with the statement that these carvings should more reasonably to be taken as generalized depictions of heads of grains. But the Scots have their story, and they’re sticking to it. Plotdot43 ( talk) 11:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
These "boxes" are normally termed "rosettes", which see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosette_(design) Maybe that would be a more accurate representation. 63.82.23.2 ( talk) 18:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Under architecture, this: "The original plans for Rosslyn have never been found or recorded, so it is open to speculation whether or not the chapel was intended to be built in its current layout." seems to contradict this "Although the original building was to be cruciform in shape, it was never completed." Am I reading it wrong? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I would be really interested in having more references about the date of construction. The official date is always stated as 1446 but in the text it is said 20 September 1456. It is very precise, where does this date come from? Is there any documents stating this date? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.20.215 ( talk) 22:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment, I find it very hard to have original sources about the chapel, even the book written by the Earl of Rosslyn doesn't include any sources and many books or websites are simply based on each others and it is often impossible to know where the original information comes from… — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.20.215 ( talk) 16:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I will take the time the read Cooper's book. There is so many books about the chapel, I am glad to know that there is a least one worthy… the year 1450 is engraved in a wall of the chapel too and they say that the 4 years were used for the foundations, which seems a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.20.215 ( talk) 18:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Far, *far*more space is given to 'debunking' than to the theories which are 'debunked'. This section needs to be overhauled, with consideration given to the Wikipedia policy of WP:UNDUE. Boscaswell talk 06:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hello all. Had anyone the chance to count these objects in situ? The number of them stated online in various sources is 213 still extant (two reported broke off). I found some photographs showing 9 of them on each part of a rip ( 36 in total for each bay, 144 in total of all 4 bays on the eastside) and 8 of them on each part of a transverse arch ( 16 in total for each and 80 in total of all 5 adorned arches) makes a sum of 224 "musical cubes". Any help welcome! :) Nolispy ( talk) 09:53, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
"Of note, while the Sinclair (surname) has its origins in Scotland, it is actually a derivation of the French surname de Saint-Clair."
Why is that "of note" in the context of the Chapel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.94.21.117 ( talk) 17:27, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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The chapel is described in your text as being the choir of much larger church. This was a local belief in my childhood and was long ago disproved.Even the most cursory of examination by an architect or an artisan mason reveals the fact that the chapel is complete as intended by the builder and the "unfinished" part is merely another part of the symbolism of the structure. Needless to say, theories abound as to the meaning of this particular feature.
Surely there must be a lot more to write about the Rosslyn Chapel. A picture of it for instance. The chapel is the place of action at the end of the immencely popular novel The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown. I myself would be very interested to know more about it. Of cource, there is always the official page of the chapel, but a wikipedia article would be perferred abelson 12:09, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
I moved this line from the apprentices pillar page, as the pillar itself does not contain such figures, but they are present in the chapel generally SgtThroat 14:09, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
-- The chapel is a replica of the temple of King Solomon in jerusalem and the "unfinished wall" is a replica of the torn down wall as the chapel was discovered buried by the knights templar. the end stones have not "weathered" appropriately and were actually cut into the shape that they have. As for the floor plan of the chapel any comparison of placement and sizing of pillars and stones will be shown to be identical to those for the temple King Solomon built.
-- Isn't the chapel actually a replica of Herod's Temple as the Knights Templars believed the ruins they were excavating to be those of Solomons Temple when in fact the layers they excavated were Herod's. [From the Hiram Key by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas] ---Not so; there is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that Roslin Chapel was a replica of either Solomon or Herod's temple, This is simply a romantic conjecture. The same applies to the 'connection' between the Templars and freemasonry, and indeed to the 'connection; between the Templar order and modern 'Templar' clubs. -- It should also be noted that the relationship between Freemasonry and the Knights Templar is challeneged by the current "owners" of the chapel the Catholic Church as a result of their branding the organization heretical in 1306. Follow up further.
Don't bother. Rosslyn is NOT owned by the Catholic Church, but the Scottish Episcopal Church (part of the Anglican Communion).
Exile 22:51, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Though not the original author of this i've re-written this totally and made it les POV - I think its NPOV but can someone check it? Thanks. I've also added in (most) points here in too. Guest
I have removed a reference to Robert Lomas's The Hiram Key as being the first publication of the connection between Rosslyn Chapel and Freemasonry. It was an inaccurate statement. If any book "first publicized" this connection it would either be "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" or "Born in Blood", both of which were written several years before The Hiram Key. More to the point, as the article states: "The chapel has long been famous for its possible connections to Freemasonry and its attendant rituals." Since The Hiram Key was only published very recently (in 1996) it could hardly be the first publication of this long famous connection. Blueboar 18:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
+I saw above that the prentice pillar contains no masonic images, however the story of the apprentice and the master is a veiled masonic allegory.
+I realize that the story itself is not masonic, but it does have similarities to stories played out in the masonic 3rd degree re: the master and overreaching apprentices, that is what I meant.
The story about the master and prentice is certainly about masons (with a small m). Since the place is about hidden symbolism and Freemasonry is about hidden symbols, a layman would surely see that a connection with Freemasonry. It depends if you're talking about the layman's view or the expert's view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.99.150 ( talk) 21:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Are we sure that the modern Knights Templar that use the chapel for their initiations is indeed a Masonic group? I know there are various organizations calling themselves Knights Templar... some of which are connected to Freemasonry, and some which are not. I have no problem with the statement if it is indeed the Masonic Knights Templar that we are talking about... but I do want to be accurate. Blueboar 16:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Kjetilbjornsrud has added a few pictures to the Freemasonry paragraph... I do have a problem with them that should be discussed. 1) I have always disagreed with the interpretation that says some of the carvings show Maize (or Indian Corn)... to me these look like styalistic leaves of lilly. I know that Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, and Knight & Lomas, go on and on about this some how "proves" that the Knights Templar or the Masons went to North America before Columbus, but there is no real evidence to support this. At minimum there should be a question mark in the caption to show that this is a theory and not fact. 2) What is the evidence that the so called "Masonic Carvings" are Masonic. I do not know what they are, but I have never come across them in Masonry. 3) If we are going to include a picture of the Apprentice Pillar, some explanation of why this is associated with Freemasonry should be included in the text. Blueboar 01:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
OK... we seem to be haveing a revert war over the inclusion of A Group of Scottish Knights Templar with pictures of Rosslyn Chapel in the External Links. Would each side of this disagreement please discuss why this should or should not be included? It will help the rest of us reach a concensus. Blueboar 14:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Good initiative Blueboar and hope this works. A Group of Scottish Knights Templar with pictures of Rosslyn Chapel is being deleted regularly by apparently connected IP addresses see 166.66.16.116 without any reason being given, though Guinnog in deleting once only today described it as worthless. Deletion without reason is usually a form of vandalism hence revert. -- Kyndinos 11:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Improved the link so that it goes straight to the photos, with more description: A Group of Scottish Knights Templar in Rosslyn Chapel with other Chapel Pictures. They are nice, recent photos of the Chapel. As it was Guinnog had a good point, the link was difficult to follow. Perhaps it is ok now. -- Kyndinos 14:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
166.66.16.103 has deleted link A Group of Scottish Knights Templar in Rosslyn Chapel with other Chapel Pictures. again without discussion, making some 12 deletions by this user in 21 days, reverted by 5 different users. -- Kyndinos 14:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
---The is no debate among medieval scholars about the relationship between the Templars and Rosslyn (or ROslin as iot is generally spelt in medieval documents), nor is there any agreement among scholars that the chapel building is 'certainly masonic'. Roslin was built as a collegiate church at least two centuries before the birth of freemasonry----CsinC
Incidentaly, im from Edinburg and have some pics of my own that i will add soon, also have some video that i can add if i figure out how to convert WMV to OGG. lol :) Terrasidius ( talk) 16:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The article makes several allusions to there being some sort of connection between the Chapel and the historical Knights Templar. However, other than mentioning that some of the the Sinclair's were Templars, it does not really go into any details. Now, I have heard that the connection is mostly speculation and theory, and not proven fact, but at least we could discuss what the speculations and theories are! (similar to the way we discuss some of the Masonic connection theories). I would place this section before the section on Freemasonry (as the KTs come before the Masons historically). I don't know enough to add it, but I would like to have it. Blueboar 23:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Parties interested in medieval Scotland should look to R. Nicholson 'Scotland, The Later Middle Ages' , A. Barrell 'Medieval Scotland', G. Barrow 'Robert the Bruce and the Community of the Rewalm of Scotland' Bain's 'Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland' Stuarts 'The Exchequer Rolls of Scotland' (Vol.1) and Stevenson's 'Documents Illustrative of Scottish History' for a decent grounding in Scotland in the 13-14th centuries. (CSinc)
I notice that while there is a reference section, there are no citations. Now, I know that much of the hoopla about the chapel is based on speculation and theory, but at least we could cite reputable sources to back up the fact that these speculations actually exist and who has proposed them. Blueboar 12:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Historians Mark Oxbrow, Ian Robertson [2] Karen Ralls and Louise Yeoman [3] have made it clear that the St Clair family had no connection with the Mediaeval Knights Templar. Their testimony against them at the 1309 trial is not consistent with their alleged support. In "The Templars and the Grail" p.110 Karen Ralls quoting "The Knights Templar in England" p.200-1 states that among some 50 who testified against the Templars were Henry and William Sinclair. The original source of this seems to be "Processus jactus contra Templarios in Scotia" from David Wilkins' "Concilla Magnae Britanniae et Hiberniae." [4] Father Hay who also wrote a very brief, but sympathetic Templar history, made no connection between the Templars and Sinclairs in his work "Genealogie of the SainteClaires of Rosslyn" [5]. There is no proof of a marriage between Catherine St Clair and Hugh de Payens [6]. The Templar connection has developed through Freemasonry in the 19th Century, and modern non-masonic Templars who claim a mediaeval St Clair connection are mistaken, and are actually following a modern masonic tradition.-- Quaerere Verum 11:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
For several months I have been asking for citations to back the material in this article. Since citations have not been forthcoming, I have now removed almost every statement that was uncited, (as per WP:V). I have no problem with someone returning the material, provided that it is properly cited. Blueboar 21:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
As I know that some people who edit this page will want to comment one way or the other, there is currently an AfD debate going on at La Merika. Please feel free to comment. The issue is a distinct lack of citations, which raises problems with WP:FRINGE, WP:V and NOR Blueboar 22:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The Apprentice Pillar is a pillar in Rosslyn Chapel, as you know. Does it really need its own separate article? ::Supergolden:: 17:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I tried understanding the (very long) 2nd sentence of the article several times, but it obviously needs punctuation or re-writing to make sense. EdX20 18:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I have a problem with this section... while I think it is probably accurate, without a source that says so, it amounts to a violation of WP:NOR. Blueboar ( talk) 22:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
IP user 166.66.16.116 seems insistant that we not mention the fact that the Chapel was originally Roman Catholic... I would ask him to explain why he/she keeps removing this information. It isn't like the information is controversial... The chapel was built prior to the reformation. Every church in Scotland was RC in those days. The article goes on to discuss what happened after the reformation. So why the constant removal? Blueboar ( talk) 20:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to imply that there is an alternative theory to maize being a crop developed in Mexico and unknown in Europe prior to 1492?
Maize is not hypothesized to be a crop solely with American origins. That is established fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.109.53 ( talk) 15:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Having visited Roslyn Chapel and been informed that the carvings in question were ears of corn, I disagreed at once, telling our guide that said carvings resembled racemes of sorghum more than they did ears of corn. I agree with the statement that these carvings should more reasonably to be taken as generalized depictions of heads of grains. But the Scots have their story, and they’re sticking to it. Plotdot43 ( talk) 11:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
These "boxes" are normally termed "rosettes", which see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosette_(design) Maybe that would be a more accurate representation. 63.82.23.2 ( talk) 18:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Under architecture, this: "The original plans for Rosslyn have never been found or recorded, so it is open to speculation whether or not the chapel was intended to be built in its current layout." seems to contradict this "Although the original building was to be cruciform in shape, it was never completed." Am I reading it wrong? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I would be really interested in having more references about the date of construction. The official date is always stated as 1446 but in the text it is said 20 September 1456. It is very precise, where does this date come from? Is there any documents stating this date? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.20.215 ( talk) 22:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment, I find it very hard to have original sources about the chapel, even the book written by the Earl of Rosslyn doesn't include any sources and many books or websites are simply based on each others and it is often impossible to know where the original information comes from… — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.20.215 ( talk) 16:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I will take the time the read Cooper's book. There is so many books about the chapel, I am glad to know that there is a least one worthy… the year 1450 is engraved in a wall of the chapel too and they say that the 4 years were used for the foundations, which seems a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.20.215 ( talk) 18:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Far, *far*more space is given to 'debunking' than to the theories which are 'debunked'. This section needs to be overhauled, with consideration given to the Wikipedia policy of WP:UNDUE. Boscaswell talk 06:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hello all. Had anyone the chance to count these objects in situ? The number of them stated online in various sources is 213 still extant (two reported broke off). I found some photographs showing 9 of them on each part of a rip ( 36 in total for each bay, 144 in total of all 4 bays on the eastside) and 8 of them on each part of a transverse arch ( 16 in total for each and 80 in total of all 5 adorned arches) makes a sum of 224 "musical cubes". Any help welcome! :) Nolispy ( talk) 09:53, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
"Of note, while the Sinclair (surname) has its origins in Scotland, it is actually a derivation of the French surname de Saint-Clair."
Why is that "of note" in the context of the Chapel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.94.21.117 ( talk) 17:27, 15 February 2024 (UTC)