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I noticed that there are numbers next to the name of each album in the discography section. I assume these are sales figures (??) but if so where are they sourced? I think those numbers are confusing and as it is now I don't see a source. Unless someone can explain I think they should be removed and will do so if no one replies here. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 12:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
The information that Gallagher was "a heavy drinker for most of his adult life" is overly specific for the lede (please see WP:OPENPARA and WP:LEADPARAGRAPH concerning specificity and neutral point of view), and has nothing to do with his notability. If we wish to retain this information, it might be added, with the proper citation, in a section below. But if so, please be aware of the heavy implication behind that phrasing that Gallagher's drinking caused his death, which is a medical judgment and should be made by a medical doctor. Also keep in mind that such a determination would contradict what another cited source (Quigley, Maeve) in this article claims.
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@ Rms125a@hotmail.com:'s recent edit removed the equipment listing. While there is one questionable promotional item there (the Patrick Eggle guitar that no-one had heard of, which has actually escaped that cull and lives on in the "Legacy" section), a listing of equipment used by an influential guitarist is of interest. His Stratocaster in particular is notable, as it was closely associated with him, the picture in the earlier version of this article showing that he is represented in Temple Bar by a sculpture of the guitar demonstrates this, as do album covers that featured the stratocaster. His use of the Vox AC30 was influential on Brian May, referred to in passing elsewhere in the article. The removed text inevitably mentioned brands, as electric guitar sounds and style are quite closely connected to the equipment used, more so in Rory's era than today, and was not particularly promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imalone ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
This has been discussed previously before. Where several editors have raised the concern about the amount of weight given to specific products that Gallagher had or used. I share this concern. And so am raising this again. For others to contribute their thoughts. Before we consider what (if anything) to do about it. For myself, I am concerned that:
The reader is given no context for why this is event remotely relevant. Perhaps this is because it isn't. For myself, and unless there are other thoughts, for WP:VER and WP:UNDUE reasons alone, I think these sections need serious review. To remove all the uncited trivialities. And to summarise or contextualise the jargon and product name-dropping. Guliolopez ( talk) 14:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
There is no information - anywhere - on Rory's accumulated wealth. Does anyone have any idea of the value of his estate? Mike Galvin ( talk) 13:20, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Neither; and I don't know why you would infer that from the question. I ask it because, unlike most performers, there seems to be a wall of secrecy surrounding his finances. Unusually, Google offers nothing. I thought that odd. Decaf? Hanoi Road ( talk) 23:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for those points. Given that he sold 30 Million albums worldwide in the pre-internet era (which has rendered recorded music almost worthless due to bootlegging), we can probably assume a fair degree of wealth. Jagger was recently quoted as saying that recordings nowadays pay little, and that the financial pillar for most musicians is live performing. Given Gallagher's incessant touring over a 20+ year period, often to large-ish audiences (particularly on the continent), it's likely he was quite well off. He bought an apartment in a smart part of London, which cannot have been cheap, and though his lifestyle was generally humble, it's probable that he enjoyed a high net worth. Good luck with Google on this matter. There is literally nothing on the subject, which is surely a little unusual. Hanoi Road ( talk) 20:02, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
The drug prescribed was probably Diazepam. Aside from alleviating general anxiety, it's frequently prescribed to assist with alcohol withdrawal symptoms. I have not once heard of a case where Diazepam and alcohol in combination lead to death. To achieve this, the doses of both would need to be massive (ie: 50mg+ of Diazepam a day plus a bottle or two of bourbon). And it's the Bourbon that would do the real damage. Hanoi Road ( talk) 23:47, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Article doesn't sate what sedative drug Gallagher was prescribed. But various Benzodiazepines has been the most common type of sedative drugs. Such medicines should not be taken together with alcohol, but I strongly doubt they affect the liver. Daily heavy drinking after the age of (approx) 35 does. With or without a sedative drug of benzodiazepine type. Also, a lot of alcohol combined with such sedatives can cause an overdose. But that seems not to have been the case here (13 weeks at a hospital). So I really don't believe the sedative drug mattered much, whatever his brother honestly believes. It was indeed very sad, and Rory was perhaps the best guitarist the world ever has seen. I would though suggest a reformulation regarding the reasons for his premature death. Something like "according to his brother..." (unless we have a more scientific source that supports what his brother have stated) Boeing720 ( talk) 23:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
When used according to instructions paracetamol does not result in liver damage, not even if used chronically. An overdose causing liver damage requires ingestion of 15 to 20 500 mg tablets at once (where 2 tablets is the normal dose) for an adult with a healthy liver. The toxic effects on the liver are not caused directly by paracetamol, but by a toxic breakdown product that accumulates in case the 'normal' routes get overloaded. All these processes take place in functioning liver cells, which means that if the liver was already damaged (which means fewer functioning liver cells) all breakdown routes would have slowed down, which means that in case of normal use there would be no reason to assume that the toxic degradation product would accumulate and exaggerate the liver damage already present — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.166.44 ( talk) 01:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if it's relevant, but I interviewed him in 1983. Despite my 'Hanoi Road' handle, my real name is Mike Galvin, and the interview is quoted in Julian Vignobles recent-ish book. (Index, Chapter 12, Item 11). That evening (around 7pm, in Cork City) Rory was conspicuously drinking coffee as we spoke. He looked fit, well and healthy. Though I cannot say for certain (how could I, possibly?) I somehow gained the impression he was 'abstaining'; on the wagon. My guess is that the guy had a drink problem his entire life, but took a break now and then. I would also guess that when he resumed, he did so with typical energy. But to say he died of "complications resulting from a liver transplant" (the standard explanation) is the same as saying Joan of Arc died of passive smoking. Rory was an alcoholic, full stop. And though contra-indicated medication didn't help, booze would have put him in the ground, sooner or later. Hanoi Road ( talk) 21:36, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
See the discussion in the section above about Gallagher's death. Here are the relevant sections I found in the Connaughton book about Gallagher's death. Sorry I can't include the page numbers, it's an eBook and one of the cheap ones that doesn't have conventional page numbers:
In January 1995, Rory’s ill health caused him to abandon a tour of the Netherlands halfway through. Donal again: ‘When he started having abdominal pains, which, with hindsight, was probably the first sign of his liver trouble, he was prescribed paracetamol, which, where a liver is damaged, can cause more damage. I wish more checks had been made at the time.’
It was, in fact, only after his admission to King’s College Hospital in March that the full extent of Rory’s ill health became clear. Donal: ‘It was only then that he got the medical care he needed, the surgeon who performed the operation was staggered that such a young man needed a new liver. This liver damage was compounded by drink, though Rory was not the heavy drinker he was rumoured to be.’ But Rory did not recover and after nearly three months in intensive care, Rory is thought to have contracted a drug resistant infection. On 14 June 1995 Rory Gallagher died due to complications following his liver transplant.
As I said above, I think this contradicts what is currently in the article. I'm going to get another book that talks about Gallagher in some depth and check it was well but I think I may just rewrite the current section anyway (or if someone else wants to do it, that's fine). But I thought it was worthwhile to first post what the reference says. Also, if you check the article that is used for the current reference I think it is also consistent with what this says and not what the current Wikipedia article says about his death. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 16:54, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Guliolopez just made an where he removed the statement that Gallagher's stratocaster was noteworthy saying in his edit comment: "In whose opinion is it [the strat] noteworthy? " There are countless references that Gallagher's strat was noteworthy. Some of the references are videos where various other guitar players talk about Gallagher and they all mention his "noteworthy" (although they usually use words like iconic) Stratocaster. Just in a quick search of the current refs I found this one that IMO strongly supports the claim that the strat was noteworthy: Ultimate Start Guitars: the guitars that rocked the world. I think this edit should be undone (although with appropriate refs added), anyone have a counter argument? -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 17:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
maybe it's worth approaching this strat's "notability" by supporting it with some reference to the replica issued by fender, initially in a run of 47, for rory's age. just a thought. I'm also trying to figure out a suitably encyclopedic way to comment that brian 'so these kids...' may was born six months before rory.
duncanrmi ( talk) 19:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
How "rare" can his blood type have been that his sweat acted as paint stripper? I've seen this nonsense written elsewhere and would question whether it has any medical basis. Hanoi Road ( talk) 23:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I've commented on this on the fb page in the past & fallen foul of adherents to this legend of the acidic blood-type. after some research (OR, which is why it's staying here unless/until proof emerges), I came to the conclusion that the original s/b strat was shipped without the usual clear coat, by fender, who often did this when a dealer was going to supply a customer with a locally-applied custom colour. this is consistent with its original owner returning it to the shop & taking a red one in its place. a simple misunderstanding between the shop & fender's export department.... fender would supply guitars with dupont car paint applied over a base coat *if they had time*, but were also shipping sunbursts to be refinished by dealers when this wasn't possible due to high demand, such as there would have been in 1961.
duncanrmi ( talk) 18:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
This is referred to in Julian Vignoble's book as likely. Donal agreed that "it's possible". Who would know better? If so, it explains an awful lot. Hanoi Road ( talk) 00:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I have doubts about a quote used in this article, allegedly from Jimi Hendrix:
"...when Jimi Hendrix was asked how it felt to be the world's greatest guitarist, he is reported to have said: ‘I don't know, go ask Rory Gallagher’"
While it is sourced by an unscientific BBC blurb, giving it the sheen of credibility, there is no mention who reported this quote, to whom it was said, or where it was recorded. Furthermore, this quote has been around as an urban legend for at least two decades, and as Snopes wrote in 2000, it was originally applied to Phil Keaggy and many others, including Eric Clapton and Billy Gibbons. A recent challenge to this quote was reverted by Guliolopez with the claim that anything written by the BBC is credible. Can anyone find a more concrete source for this quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:37AA:4950:BD01:FF43:8280:A61 ( talk) 21:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Nowhere is alcohol abuse mentioned as a direct causal factor in his death. "Fear of flying"..."psoriasis"...."asthma" I understand it's a delicate subject, but his terminal liver damage was not caused by paracetamol alone. If it were, half the planet would be getting liver transplants. It needs to be included. It's hardly a state secret. 109.154.51.233 ( talk) 15:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
The picture used is somewhat Meh. There are far better out there, particularly early on in his career. Anyone else think so? 86.132.172.150 ( talk) 20:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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I noticed that there are numbers next to the name of each album in the discography section. I assume these are sales figures (??) but if so where are they sourced? I think those numbers are confusing and as it is now I don't see a source. Unless someone can explain I think they should be removed and will do so if no one replies here. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 12:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
The information that Gallagher was "a heavy drinker for most of his adult life" is overly specific for the lede (please see WP:OPENPARA and WP:LEADPARAGRAPH concerning specificity and neutral point of view), and has nothing to do with his notability. If we wish to retain this information, it might be added, with the proper citation, in a section below. But if so, please be aware of the heavy implication behind that phrasing that Gallagher's drinking caused his death, which is a medical judgment and should be made by a medical doctor. Also keep in mind that such a determination would contradict what another cited source (Quigley, Maeve) in this article claims.
I did not make the initial deletion of this information. But I fully agree with 90.208.193.35 that it should be deleted. Mark Froelich ( talk) 07:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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@ Rms125a@hotmail.com:'s recent edit removed the equipment listing. While there is one questionable promotional item there (the Patrick Eggle guitar that no-one had heard of, which has actually escaped that cull and lives on in the "Legacy" section), a listing of equipment used by an influential guitarist is of interest. His Stratocaster in particular is notable, as it was closely associated with him, the picture in the earlier version of this article showing that he is represented in Temple Bar by a sculpture of the guitar demonstrates this, as do album covers that featured the stratocaster. His use of the Vox AC30 was influential on Brian May, referred to in passing elsewhere in the article. The removed text inevitably mentioned brands, as electric guitar sounds and style are quite closely connected to the equipment used, more so in Rory's era than today, and was not particularly promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imalone ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
This has been discussed previously before. Where several editors have raised the concern about the amount of weight given to specific products that Gallagher had or used. I share this concern. And so am raising this again. For others to contribute their thoughts. Before we consider what (if anything) to do about it. For myself, I am concerned that:
The reader is given no context for why this is event remotely relevant. Perhaps this is because it isn't. For myself, and unless there are other thoughts, for WP:VER and WP:UNDUE reasons alone, I think these sections need serious review. To remove all the uncited trivialities. And to summarise or contextualise the jargon and product name-dropping. Guliolopez ( talk) 14:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
There is no information - anywhere - on Rory's accumulated wealth. Does anyone have any idea of the value of his estate? Mike Galvin ( talk) 13:20, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Neither; and I don't know why you would infer that from the question. I ask it because, unlike most performers, there seems to be a wall of secrecy surrounding his finances. Unusually, Google offers nothing. I thought that odd. Decaf? Hanoi Road ( talk) 23:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for those points. Given that he sold 30 Million albums worldwide in the pre-internet era (which has rendered recorded music almost worthless due to bootlegging), we can probably assume a fair degree of wealth. Jagger was recently quoted as saying that recordings nowadays pay little, and that the financial pillar for most musicians is live performing. Given Gallagher's incessant touring over a 20+ year period, often to large-ish audiences (particularly on the continent), it's likely he was quite well off. He bought an apartment in a smart part of London, which cannot have been cheap, and though his lifestyle was generally humble, it's probable that he enjoyed a high net worth. Good luck with Google on this matter. There is literally nothing on the subject, which is surely a little unusual. Hanoi Road ( talk) 20:02, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
The drug prescribed was probably Diazepam. Aside from alleviating general anxiety, it's frequently prescribed to assist with alcohol withdrawal symptoms. I have not once heard of a case where Diazepam and alcohol in combination lead to death. To achieve this, the doses of both would need to be massive (ie: 50mg+ of Diazepam a day plus a bottle or two of bourbon). And it's the Bourbon that would do the real damage. Hanoi Road ( talk) 23:47, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Article doesn't sate what sedative drug Gallagher was prescribed. But various Benzodiazepines has been the most common type of sedative drugs. Such medicines should not be taken together with alcohol, but I strongly doubt they affect the liver. Daily heavy drinking after the age of (approx) 35 does. With or without a sedative drug of benzodiazepine type. Also, a lot of alcohol combined with such sedatives can cause an overdose. But that seems not to have been the case here (13 weeks at a hospital). So I really don't believe the sedative drug mattered much, whatever his brother honestly believes. It was indeed very sad, and Rory was perhaps the best guitarist the world ever has seen. I would though suggest a reformulation regarding the reasons for his premature death. Something like "according to his brother..." (unless we have a more scientific source that supports what his brother have stated) Boeing720 ( talk) 23:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
When used according to instructions paracetamol does not result in liver damage, not even if used chronically. An overdose causing liver damage requires ingestion of 15 to 20 500 mg tablets at once (where 2 tablets is the normal dose) for an adult with a healthy liver. The toxic effects on the liver are not caused directly by paracetamol, but by a toxic breakdown product that accumulates in case the 'normal' routes get overloaded. All these processes take place in functioning liver cells, which means that if the liver was already damaged (which means fewer functioning liver cells) all breakdown routes would have slowed down, which means that in case of normal use there would be no reason to assume that the toxic degradation product would accumulate and exaggerate the liver damage already present — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.166.44 ( talk) 01:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if it's relevant, but I interviewed him in 1983. Despite my 'Hanoi Road' handle, my real name is Mike Galvin, and the interview is quoted in Julian Vignobles recent-ish book. (Index, Chapter 12, Item 11). That evening (around 7pm, in Cork City) Rory was conspicuously drinking coffee as we spoke. He looked fit, well and healthy. Though I cannot say for certain (how could I, possibly?) I somehow gained the impression he was 'abstaining'; on the wagon. My guess is that the guy had a drink problem his entire life, but took a break now and then. I would also guess that when he resumed, he did so with typical energy. But to say he died of "complications resulting from a liver transplant" (the standard explanation) is the same as saying Joan of Arc died of passive smoking. Rory was an alcoholic, full stop. And though contra-indicated medication didn't help, booze would have put him in the ground, sooner or later. Hanoi Road ( talk) 21:36, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
See the discussion in the section above about Gallagher's death. Here are the relevant sections I found in the Connaughton book about Gallagher's death. Sorry I can't include the page numbers, it's an eBook and one of the cheap ones that doesn't have conventional page numbers:
In January 1995, Rory’s ill health caused him to abandon a tour of the Netherlands halfway through. Donal again: ‘When he started having abdominal pains, which, with hindsight, was probably the first sign of his liver trouble, he was prescribed paracetamol, which, where a liver is damaged, can cause more damage. I wish more checks had been made at the time.’
It was, in fact, only after his admission to King’s College Hospital in March that the full extent of Rory’s ill health became clear. Donal: ‘It was only then that he got the medical care he needed, the surgeon who performed the operation was staggered that such a young man needed a new liver. This liver damage was compounded by drink, though Rory was not the heavy drinker he was rumoured to be.’ But Rory did not recover and after nearly three months in intensive care, Rory is thought to have contracted a drug resistant infection. On 14 June 1995 Rory Gallagher died due to complications following his liver transplant.
As I said above, I think this contradicts what is currently in the article. I'm going to get another book that talks about Gallagher in some depth and check it was well but I think I may just rewrite the current section anyway (or if someone else wants to do it, that's fine). But I thought it was worthwhile to first post what the reference says. Also, if you check the article that is used for the current reference I think it is also consistent with what this says and not what the current Wikipedia article says about his death. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 16:54, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Guliolopez just made an where he removed the statement that Gallagher's stratocaster was noteworthy saying in his edit comment: "In whose opinion is it [the strat] noteworthy? " There are countless references that Gallagher's strat was noteworthy. Some of the references are videos where various other guitar players talk about Gallagher and they all mention his "noteworthy" (although they usually use words like iconic) Stratocaster. Just in a quick search of the current refs I found this one that IMO strongly supports the claim that the strat was noteworthy: Ultimate Start Guitars: the guitars that rocked the world. I think this edit should be undone (although with appropriate refs added), anyone have a counter argument? -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 17:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
maybe it's worth approaching this strat's "notability" by supporting it with some reference to the replica issued by fender, initially in a run of 47, for rory's age. just a thought. I'm also trying to figure out a suitably encyclopedic way to comment that brian 'so these kids...' may was born six months before rory.
duncanrmi ( talk) 19:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
How "rare" can his blood type have been that his sweat acted as paint stripper? I've seen this nonsense written elsewhere and would question whether it has any medical basis. Hanoi Road ( talk) 23:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I've commented on this on the fb page in the past & fallen foul of adherents to this legend of the acidic blood-type. after some research (OR, which is why it's staying here unless/until proof emerges), I came to the conclusion that the original s/b strat was shipped without the usual clear coat, by fender, who often did this when a dealer was going to supply a customer with a locally-applied custom colour. this is consistent with its original owner returning it to the shop & taking a red one in its place. a simple misunderstanding between the shop & fender's export department.... fender would supply guitars with dupont car paint applied over a base coat *if they had time*, but were also shipping sunbursts to be refinished by dealers when this wasn't possible due to high demand, such as there would have been in 1961.
duncanrmi ( talk) 18:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
This is referred to in Julian Vignoble's book as likely. Donal agreed that "it's possible". Who would know better? If so, it explains an awful lot. Hanoi Road ( talk) 00:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I have doubts about a quote used in this article, allegedly from Jimi Hendrix:
"...when Jimi Hendrix was asked how it felt to be the world's greatest guitarist, he is reported to have said: ‘I don't know, go ask Rory Gallagher’"
While it is sourced by an unscientific BBC blurb, giving it the sheen of credibility, there is no mention who reported this quote, to whom it was said, or where it was recorded. Furthermore, this quote has been around as an urban legend for at least two decades, and as Snopes wrote in 2000, it was originally applied to Phil Keaggy and many others, including Eric Clapton and Billy Gibbons. A recent challenge to this quote was reverted by Guliolopez with the claim that anything written by the BBC is credible. Can anyone find a more concrete source for this quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:37AA:4950:BD01:FF43:8280:A61 ( talk) 21:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Nowhere is alcohol abuse mentioned as a direct causal factor in his death. "Fear of flying"..."psoriasis"...."asthma" I understand it's a delicate subject, but his terminal liver damage was not caused by paracetamol alone. If it were, half the planet would be getting liver transplants. It needs to be included. It's hardly a state secret. 109.154.51.233 ( talk) 15:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
The picture used is somewhat Meh. There are far better out there, particularly early on in his career. Anyone else think so? 86.132.172.150 ( talk) 20:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)