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As created, the article contains far too much information that is personal, i.e., not pertaining to his career as a scientist, and without referencing whatsoever. David notMD ( talk) 18:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
The article currently says: At the University of Hull, Barker gained a 1st class honours degree in physics awarded by University of London 1954 ...
Can the date of 1954 possibly be correct? In that year Barker was appointed a Senior Principal Scientific Office, surely his university degree must have come long before.If he graduated from The Ceaders in 1934, I would have thought a University degree would have come around 1937 or so. Or was the degree delayed by the war?
Barkercoder, can you advise at all?
DES
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DESiegel Contribs 15:11, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Barker's degree was gained at University College, Hull - awarded by University of London in 1934. This got confused with the date he received his doctorate in 1954. Despite reading the article over I didn't spot the mistake, thank you for pointing it out. I am in the process of getting confirmation for the degree to add a cite. It was a long time ago and Covid isn't making it a speedy process. This article is intended to be a biography as well as pertaining to his career as a scientist. My aim was to describe what he achieved having been brought up in hard times. Do the two not fit in Wikipedia as one article? I guess you want it to look more like John Robert Mills with a one liner, a bit too basic for me to accept but I will have a go at reducing it. Cedars school is proven by the photo.
I also noticed your request for a layman's description of Barker code to head that article. I have written one but not being technical I shall put it on the talk page soon to see if someone can describe it more succinctly. Windswept ( talk) 18:39, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
He was duly admitted to the school where he stayed until 1934.(referring to The Cedars). Was Barker able to do university-level work while at The Cedars? or to secure a degree in less than a year after leaving? I know that the UK in the 1930s used a very different system than, say, the US in the 1980s, ad while I have read about it a bit, I am sure there are large holes in my knowledge of that time and place. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 19:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I was going to review this article, but right now it looks like a quick fail. Here are my comments:
Early career:
Barker, is recognised for his invention of Barker code or Barker sequence- no need for a comma
Quote "A sequence of binary digits has very little meaning unless the significance of the individual digits is known".- I don't understand why is it here, in the first paragraph of the first section.
but soon moved to Warnham Court (see photo), Horsham, England[2]There,- multiple minor errors, that are everywhere - you need fullstops at the end of each sentence, and a space after you sentence. 'see photo' are not really useful, as photos should have appropriate captions.
This photo shows an aerial at the front of the missile which is all important for telecommunications. Aerial design was of interest to Barker who wrote an article published in the Wireless Engineer in November 1948 p361- it's unclear what photo is 'this', and "who wrote an article published in the Wireless Engineer in November 1948 p361" is a really strange way to say that somebody published something.
initial firings were at Ynyslas in Wales (see[4])- '(see[4])' - why this format? can you just use this reference without '(see)'?
Post-war career
Personal details
I suggest you to proofread the article and add more reliable sources. For copyediting you can go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, though it's usually takes a lot of time. Artem.G ( talk) 16:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
citation neededtemplates. Artem.G ( talk) 15:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: TompaDompa ( talk · contribs) 17:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
This is a
WP:QUICKFAIL based on criterion 1 (It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
) and 3 (It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{
cleanup}}, {{
POV}}, {{
unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{
citation needed}}, {{
clarify}}, or similar tags (See also {{
QF}})
). Specifically, it fails
WP:GACR 1a (the prose is clear, concise, and
understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct
), 1b (it complies with the
Manual of Style guidelines for
lead sections,
layout,
words to watch [...]
), and 2b (
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that could
reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)
), and needs the corresponding maintenance tags. I'll list some of the specific issues I noted while reading through the article:
Barker excelled in mathematics, becoming keen on electronics. He is best known for his ground-breaking work– "excelled" and "keen on" are a bit informal, and "ground-breaking" is a MOS:Word to watch.
Born in Dublin to English parents his early education years were disrupted by his father's frequent periods of unemployment and moves between Dublin and England to find work as an artist and stained glass window designeroften staying in grim lodgings.– run-on sentence.
His father died when he was aged 14 of pneumonia.– presumably the father was not 14 when he died, and the placement of "of pneumonia" is odd.
Barker passed away peacefully on 7 October 2015.– unsourced.
passed away– WP:EUPHEMISM.
By using a prearranged pattern of bits (Barker code) the receiver can correctly synchronise the data with a very low probability of error. The code (which now has many variants) is used in most forms of data transmissions within (and out of) our world today.– unsourced.
Roy cycled back to Heath and Reach where he met his wife to be, Wendy Emily Hunt (1917–1998). Barker resigned from STC, as he felt his work on X-ray tubes was unrelated to the war effort.– unsourced.
During the years 1045 - 1947– I'm guessing that's meant to be 1945–1947.
During the years 1045 - 1947 he was responsible for devising, developing and seeing into production the first system of telemetry for guided weapons. In 1946 R H Barker read a paper describing his guidance system at an international conference on telemetry at Princeton University,US.– unsourced.
Information about SRDE's history is held locally at The Red House Museum and Gardens, Christchurch, England. In 1976 the Signals Research and Development Establishment involved in communications research, joined Royal Radar Establishment to form the Royal Signals and Radar Establishment (RSRE). The National Archives (United Kingdom) now hold archived documents from SRDE Christchurch. These may not have been digitised.– unsourced.
The headquarters work was tedious and in 1957 Barker returned to SRDE Christchurch, Dorset, as Superintendent of Research in charge of the site.– unsourced.
Barker became a member of the council and served on the important Membership Committee for many years. On 6 March 1962 Barker elected a Fellow of the Institute of Physics and of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. He served for a time on the Automatic Control committee of the latter.– unsourced.
as at the time there was conjecture as to how it worked. Perhaps this was something being researched or just for a bit of fun. After the company was taken over by the Rank Organisation in 1964 he became unhappy with the changes made to the way the company was run. He had no say in this and it soon became apparent that the opportunities for any interesting research were not going to be forthcoming and the future looked uninviting.– unsourced.
Here, Barker having had line management experience in industry now had a much greater level of responsibility. In 1965, there were 2,500 staff at RARDE and Barker was responsible for half the scientific branches and staff. The research work being undertaken was assessment of non-nuclear weapons systems. Barker retired in May 1979.– unsourced.
Applications of this are huge– inappropriately informal.
I'll add some maintenance tags to the article itself. TompaDompa ( talk) 17:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Barkercoder: I have several comments.
voorts ( talk/ contributions) 04:04, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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As created, the article contains far too much information that is personal, i.e., not pertaining to his career as a scientist, and without referencing whatsoever. David notMD ( talk) 18:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
The article currently says: At the University of Hull, Barker gained a 1st class honours degree in physics awarded by University of London 1954 ...
Can the date of 1954 possibly be correct? In that year Barker was appointed a Senior Principal Scientific Office, surely his university degree must have come long before.If he graduated from The Ceaders in 1934, I would have thought a University degree would have come around 1937 or so. Or was the degree delayed by the war?
Barkercoder, can you advise at all?
DES
(talk)
DESiegel Contribs 15:11, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Barker's degree was gained at University College, Hull - awarded by University of London in 1934. This got confused with the date he received his doctorate in 1954. Despite reading the article over I didn't spot the mistake, thank you for pointing it out. I am in the process of getting confirmation for the degree to add a cite. It was a long time ago and Covid isn't making it a speedy process. This article is intended to be a biography as well as pertaining to his career as a scientist. My aim was to describe what he achieved having been brought up in hard times. Do the two not fit in Wikipedia as one article? I guess you want it to look more like John Robert Mills with a one liner, a bit too basic for me to accept but I will have a go at reducing it. Cedars school is proven by the photo.
I also noticed your request for a layman's description of Barker code to head that article. I have written one but not being technical I shall put it on the talk page soon to see if someone can describe it more succinctly. Windswept ( talk) 18:39, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
He was duly admitted to the school where he stayed until 1934.(referring to The Cedars). Was Barker able to do university-level work while at The Cedars? or to secure a degree in less than a year after leaving? I know that the UK in the 1930s used a very different system than, say, the US in the 1980s, ad while I have read about it a bit, I am sure there are large holes in my knowledge of that time and place. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 19:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I was going to review this article, but right now it looks like a quick fail. Here are my comments:
Early career:
Barker, is recognised for his invention of Barker code or Barker sequence- no need for a comma
Quote "A sequence of binary digits has very little meaning unless the significance of the individual digits is known".- I don't understand why is it here, in the first paragraph of the first section.
but soon moved to Warnham Court (see photo), Horsham, England[2]There,- multiple minor errors, that are everywhere - you need fullstops at the end of each sentence, and a space after you sentence. 'see photo' are not really useful, as photos should have appropriate captions.
This photo shows an aerial at the front of the missile which is all important for telecommunications. Aerial design was of interest to Barker who wrote an article published in the Wireless Engineer in November 1948 p361- it's unclear what photo is 'this', and "who wrote an article published in the Wireless Engineer in November 1948 p361" is a really strange way to say that somebody published something.
initial firings were at Ynyslas in Wales (see[4])- '(see[4])' - why this format? can you just use this reference without '(see)'?
Post-war career
Personal details
I suggest you to proofread the article and add more reliable sources. For copyediting you can go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, though it's usually takes a lot of time. Artem.G ( talk) 16:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
citation neededtemplates. Artem.G ( talk) 15:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: TompaDompa ( talk · contribs) 17:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
This is a
WP:QUICKFAIL based on criterion 1 (It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
) and 3 (It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{
cleanup}}, {{
POV}}, {{
unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{
citation needed}}, {{
clarify}}, or similar tags (See also {{
QF}})
). Specifically, it fails
WP:GACR 1a (the prose is clear, concise, and
understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct
), 1b (it complies with the
Manual of Style guidelines for
lead sections,
layout,
words to watch [...]
), and 2b (
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that could
reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)
), and needs the corresponding maintenance tags. I'll list some of the specific issues I noted while reading through the article:
Barker excelled in mathematics, becoming keen on electronics. He is best known for his ground-breaking work– "excelled" and "keen on" are a bit informal, and "ground-breaking" is a MOS:Word to watch.
Born in Dublin to English parents his early education years were disrupted by his father's frequent periods of unemployment and moves between Dublin and England to find work as an artist and stained glass window designeroften staying in grim lodgings.– run-on sentence.
His father died when he was aged 14 of pneumonia.– presumably the father was not 14 when he died, and the placement of "of pneumonia" is odd.
Barker passed away peacefully on 7 October 2015.– unsourced.
passed away– WP:EUPHEMISM.
By using a prearranged pattern of bits (Barker code) the receiver can correctly synchronise the data with a very low probability of error. The code (which now has many variants) is used in most forms of data transmissions within (and out of) our world today.– unsourced.
Roy cycled back to Heath and Reach where he met his wife to be, Wendy Emily Hunt (1917–1998). Barker resigned from STC, as he felt his work on X-ray tubes was unrelated to the war effort.– unsourced.
During the years 1045 - 1947– I'm guessing that's meant to be 1945–1947.
During the years 1045 - 1947 he was responsible for devising, developing and seeing into production the first system of telemetry for guided weapons. In 1946 R H Barker read a paper describing his guidance system at an international conference on telemetry at Princeton University,US.– unsourced.
Information about SRDE's history is held locally at The Red House Museum and Gardens, Christchurch, England. In 1976 the Signals Research and Development Establishment involved in communications research, joined Royal Radar Establishment to form the Royal Signals and Radar Establishment (RSRE). The National Archives (United Kingdom) now hold archived documents from SRDE Christchurch. These may not have been digitised.– unsourced.
The headquarters work was tedious and in 1957 Barker returned to SRDE Christchurch, Dorset, as Superintendent of Research in charge of the site.– unsourced.
Barker became a member of the council and served on the important Membership Committee for many years. On 6 March 1962 Barker elected a Fellow of the Institute of Physics and of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. He served for a time on the Automatic Control committee of the latter.– unsourced.
as at the time there was conjecture as to how it worked. Perhaps this was something being researched or just for a bit of fun. After the company was taken over by the Rank Organisation in 1964 he became unhappy with the changes made to the way the company was run. He had no say in this and it soon became apparent that the opportunities for any interesting research were not going to be forthcoming and the future looked uninviting.– unsourced.
Here, Barker having had line management experience in industry now had a much greater level of responsibility. In 1965, there were 2,500 staff at RARDE and Barker was responsible for half the scientific branches and staff. The research work being undertaken was assessment of non-nuclear weapons systems. Barker retired in May 1979.– unsourced.
Applications of this are huge– inappropriately informal.
I'll add some maintenance tags to the article itself. TompaDompa ( talk) 17:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Barkercoder: I have several comments.
voorts ( talk/ contributions) 04:04, 23 September 2023 (UTC)