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I kinda feel like "perfected" is a strong word to use to describe Rick DiPietro..., anyone else think that just Brodeur can suffice? - Benthorot
→I agree, that sentence sounds like it was written by an islander's fan. No hockey expert (however defined) would say that DiPietro has "perfected" any aspect of the game. - Chiefhoser
Hextall was also known for being a little hot under the collar, not only in roughing it up with some opposing players but also for badgering officials and complaining about inference. I'm not really sure how to add this regarding NPOV, but I think you'll find this fairly well-documented elsewhere. Maybe noting his PIMs would be a place to start. Wencer 05:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA... not every reader will know that hockey stat keeping is not the same as say football. A non fan may reasonably analogize. It is important to actually spell out that Hextall shot the puck directly into the net unimpeded, while Smith's goal was the act of the opposing team. That is niot vandaslism. that FACT that the scoring rules is silly is also a fact Bona Fides 14:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I think I fully explained the silly hockey scoring rule without being excessive. Football has an own goal so that a player's goal stats would not be inflated. It's like the error system of baseball scoring. Bona Fides 14:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Does Ron Hextall deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.242.12.49 ( talk) 19:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Can someone try to make a stats table? The stats now look unorganized and indefinitely hard to follow. I could if I have time, but it will take a while. Hasek is the best 16:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
This section talks more about Smith's goal than Hextall's. Can we get more information on his goal? It makes it sound like Hextall's goal was exactly the same as Smith's, but also says that it was different for some reason. I'm confused. Wrad ( talk) 23:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that it should be mentionned that he actually scored 2 goals, Ron Hextall and Martin Brodeur are the only NHL goalies to be credited with two career goals (each scoring once in the regular season and once in the playoffs), though only Hextall has scored two goals by shooting the puck into an empty net. I also think the 2 first times a goalie scrored a goal in the NHL this way (by shooting it directly in the net) it was him too, but that im not sure.
So, the Flyers added Hextall to their hall of fame tonight and comcast sportsnet ran a bunch of montages throughout the telecast. What stuck me a odd was one of the very first shots was a still of young Hextall clearly in a Maine Mariners jersey. The mariners were the Flyer affiliate until 1983 while Hextall was still in the major juniors. Could this be a training camp pic and if so why would they showcase it so prominently in this montage? ccwaters ( talk) 02:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I got my hands on a book that discusses Hexy's style of play a bit, and I was wondering if there would be any objection to me fiddling with the entire article to concentrate the commentary on his style from the Career section into the Playing style section. I'm asking because I'm not a primary editor and I would probably end up introducing significant changes to the article. Maxim (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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Usage of en dashes for scores and playing seasons appears to be correct and consistent. | |
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Not very familiar with the guide to layout, so I'll let someone with more experience tackle this one. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Hextall's career is covered extensively. He is most obviously well-known for his career with the Flyers (and this is reflected in the content), but his careers with other teams in the IHL, WHL, and AHL are also covered. There is also a section devoted to general commentary and notes on his general playing style, which is an excellent touch. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | No obvious need for any splitting of information. However, the "first three seasons" section runs a little long. Could it be feasibly shortened? Here are a few suggestions:
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | Good use of quotes and phrasing when describing Hextall's fights or penalties. This may have been the most iffy:
Maybe "savage" is a bit too strong, but based on the quotes from Hextall and the circumstances, I think this description of the event is fair. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC) | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | No obvious signs of recent edit warring. Player is retired, and unlikely to have produced much controversy lately, anyhow. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Current images follow image guidelines. Both are licensed under Creative Commons. | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Really? No free images of Hextall? It would definitely be preferable to have one considering there are other pictures on the page, especially one of Broddeur! The best I could find is
this vector art, which is under a Creative Commons license.
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7. Overall assessment. | Looks good! |
Reviewer: I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note; I'm getting married tomorrow (30 July), and will then be away on honeymoon for two weeks, so I'm not really going to be able to respond that well to this review. I'll be able to get online from time to time on honeymoon: but let's face it, that's not why I'm there! I'd suggest maybe contacting User:Maxim and seeing if they can look over the review: otherwise I'd ask if you can be patient and allow me those two weeks? Harrias talk 13:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
The only MoS issue I noticed is that reference titles aren't supposed to be in all-caps, so things like "SPORTS PEOPLE: PRO HOCKEY" need to be changed to "Sports People: Pro Hockey". Besides that it looks fine, and the reviewer can pass this once that's fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm going through and copy-editing where I can. Anything I'm not sure about is here, and please revert if I make a mess or change anything.
More to follow over the next few days. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 19:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
More to follow. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 13:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
More to follow. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 17:28, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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I kinda feel like "perfected" is a strong word to use to describe Rick DiPietro..., anyone else think that just Brodeur can suffice? - Benthorot
→I agree, that sentence sounds like it was written by an islander's fan. No hockey expert (however defined) would say that DiPietro has "perfected" any aspect of the game. - Chiefhoser
Hextall was also known for being a little hot under the collar, not only in roughing it up with some opposing players but also for badgering officials and complaining about inference. I'm not really sure how to add this regarding NPOV, but I think you'll find this fairly well-documented elsewhere. Maybe noting his PIMs would be a place to start. Wencer 05:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA... not every reader will know that hockey stat keeping is not the same as say football. A non fan may reasonably analogize. It is important to actually spell out that Hextall shot the puck directly into the net unimpeded, while Smith's goal was the act of the opposing team. That is niot vandaslism. that FACT that the scoring rules is silly is also a fact Bona Fides 14:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I think I fully explained the silly hockey scoring rule without being excessive. Football has an own goal so that a player's goal stats would not be inflated. It's like the error system of baseball scoring. Bona Fides 14:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Does Ron Hextall deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.242.12.49 ( talk) 19:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Can someone try to make a stats table? The stats now look unorganized and indefinitely hard to follow. I could if I have time, but it will take a while. Hasek is the best 16:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
This section talks more about Smith's goal than Hextall's. Can we get more information on his goal? It makes it sound like Hextall's goal was exactly the same as Smith's, but also says that it was different for some reason. I'm confused. Wrad ( talk) 23:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that it should be mentionned that he actually scored 2 goals, Ron Hextall and Martin Brodeur are the only NHL goalies to be credited with two career goals (each scoring once in the regular season and once in the playoffs), though only Hextall has scored two goals by shooting the puck into an empty net. I also think the 2 first times a goalie scrored a goal in the NHL this way (by shooting it directly in the net) it was him too, but that im not sure.
So, the Flyers added Hextall to their hall of fame tonight and comcast sportsnet ran a bunch of montages throughout the telecast. What stuck me a odd was one of the very first shots was a still of young Hextall clearly in a Maine Mariners jersey. The mariners were the Flyer affiliate until 1983 while Hextall was still in the major juniors. Could this be a training camp pic and if so why would they showcase it so prominently in this montage? ccwaters ( talk) 02:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I got my hands on a book that discusses Hexy's style of play a bit, and I was wondering if there would be any objection to me fiddling with the entire article to concentrate the commentary on his style from the Career section into the Playing style section. I'm asking because I'm not a primary editor and I would probably end up introducing significant changes to the article. Maxim (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
Usage of en dashes for scores and playing seasons appears to be correct and consistent. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Not very familiar with the guide to layout, so I'll let someone with more experience tackle this one. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Hextall's career is covered extensively. He is most obviously well-known for his career with the Flyers (and this is reflected in the content), but his careers with other teams in the IHL, WHL, and AHL are also covered. There is also a section devoted to general commentary and notes on his general playing style, which is an excellent touch. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | No obvious need for any splitting of information. However, the "first three seasons" section runs a little long. Could it be feasibly shortened? Here are a few suggestions:
(Addressed) | |
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | Good use of quotes and phrasing when describing Hextall's fights or penalties. This may have been the most iffy:
Maybe "savage" is a bit too strong, but based on the quotes from Hextall and the circumstances, I think this description of the event is fair. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC) | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | No obvious signs of recent edit warring. Player is retired, and unlikely to have produced much controversy lately, anyhow. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Current images follow image guidelines. Both are licensed under Creative Commons. | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Really? No free images of Hextall? It would definitely be preferable to have one considering there are other pictures on the page, especially one of Broddeur! The best I could find is
this vector art, which is under a Creative Commons license.
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7. Overall assessment. | Looks good! |
Reviewer: I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note; I'm getting married tomorrow (30 July), and will then be away on honeymoon for two weeks, so I'm not really going to be able to respond that well to this review. I'll be able to get online from time to time on honeymoon: but let's face it, that's not why I'm there! I'd suggest maybe contacting User:Maxim and seeing if they can look over the review: otherwise I'd ask if you can be patient and allow me those two weeks? Harrias talk 13:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
The only MoS issue I noticed is that reference titles aren't supposed to be in all-caps, so things like "SPORTS PEOPLE: PRO HOCKEY" need to be changed to "Sports People: Pro Hockey". Besides that it looks fine, and the reviewer can pass this once that's fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm going through and copy-editing where I can. Anything I'm not sure about is here, and please revert if I make a mess or change anything.
More to follow over the next few days. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 19:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
More to follow. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 13:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
More to follow. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 17:28, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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