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I included the paragraph about Geaves' writing about Rawat with the one example of his claiming that Rawat had no idea of premies' expectations at the Millenium festival contrasted with Rawat's own words from his invitation to that festival. Wasn't sure how to do the citation for the letter but here it is, if anyone's interested:
http://ex-premie.org/papers/millenium_invit_letter.htm
Here's the text:
A LETTER FROM GURU MAHARAJ JI
Bonn, Germany
September 31, 1973
Dear premies,
First of all, I would like to tell you about something of great importance to all of us. Because we have realized this beautiful Knowledge which is of great bliss to us all, it is our duty to propagate it to the human race. For it is something they really need.
In the world there is suffering, hatred and dissatisfaction. That fact does not need proof. It is understood by all that the world is passing through a great moment. No one has satisfaction of mind nor can they find the solution to this. The world is looking for the Perfect Master to come and reveal the Perfect Knowledge of God. There is a supreme energy constantly vibrating in everything making it survive and all the Perfect Masters coem to reveal this Knowledge to people. We can attain all materialistic things and still not have peace, for peace lies inside not outside in materialism.
As you all know Millenium '73 is being prepared for now. This festival has been organized by Divine Light Mission each year since 1967, in the memory of the late Satgurudev Shri Hans Ji Maharaji on His birthday. This year the most Holy and significant event in human history will take place in America.
I think that Millenium '73 is a point where we can really get together and enjoy the bliss bliss with all of our borthers and sisters who are premies; and also tell the world that we have received and realized the permanent service of Truth, Consciousness and Bliss which all the world is looking for in one way or manner.
To do this I really need your help. I really need the help of all the premies in all respects; physically, financially and all other ways to make Millenium '73 come off. This is a festival not for you or me. It is for the whole world and maybe the whole universe.
I hereby invite you to this Divine Festival of Peace, Millenium '73 and request all premies to help me financially, physically and spiritually to make the program manifest for all seekers of Truth.
Isn't it about time you all get together and help me bring peace to this Earth?
Blessings to you all,
[Sant Ji Maharaj]
Your edit has been reverted as it is an opinion rather than facts. See WP:NPOV and WP:V ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 21:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
You are the one who reverted, you shameless editor, you! Besides, you're wrong. My edit was a report of opinions, ones that Geaves himself has acknowledged in his own internet reply to his critics. My text returns.-- Jim Heller 00:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
You are bypsssing your block for WP:3RR by using an IP address to continure reverting, This have been now reported as well on the Administrator's noticeboard. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Rather than get into another reversion war, I'll do it this way. I propose posting the same paragraph I put up the other day. Obviously, you premies don't like it but the fact is, it's apparent beyond question that Geaves has misrepresented the truth about Rawat's role in the Millenium hype.
Geaves said:
Whereas, in a broadly-disseminated letter to all his followers, Rawat described the upcoming program as the "most Holy and significant event in human history", intimated that the festival wasn't just for him and his followers but the whole world, "and maybe the whole universe" and suggested that it was time for his followers to help him "bring peace to this Earth."
Any fair reader can clearly see the serious discrepancy between Geaves' account and the documentary evidence.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim Heller ( talk • contribs)
The phrase " the most Holy and significant event in human history" doesn't just apply to Millenium. It applies to PR's Guru's birthday celebration, of which there had already been six. And whilst PR has his expectations,it is incorrect to assume that he was aware of or shared those of his followers. Momento 23:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Almost got it. "The most significant and Holy event in human history" is to speak of a single event" and that event is the anniversary of Shri Hans birth. Plain as day. Momento 22:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
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I included the paragraph about Geaves' writing about Rawat with the one example of his claiming that Rawat had no idea of premies' expectations at the Millenium festival contrasted with Rawat's own words from his invitation to that festival. Wasn't sure how to do the citation for the letter but here it is, if anyone's interested:
http://ex-premie.org/papers/millenium_invit_letter.htm
Here's the text:
A LETTER FROM GURU MAHARAJ JI
Bonn, Germany
September 31, 1973
Dear premies,
First of all, I would like to tell you about something of great importance to all of us. Because we have realized this beautiful Knowledge which is of great bliss to us all, it is our duty to propagate it to the human race. For it is something they really need.
In the world there is suffering, hatred and dissatisfaction. That fact does not need proof. It is understood by all that the world is passing through a great moment. No one has satisfaction of mind nor can they find the solution to this. The world is looking for the Perfect Master to come and reveal the Perfect Knowledge of God. There is a supreme energy constantly vibrating in everything making it survive and all the Perfect Masters coem to reveal this Knowledge to people. We can attain all materialistic things and still not have peace, for peace lies inside not outside in materialism.
As you all know Millenium '73 is being prepared for now. This festival has been organized by Divine Light Mission each year since 1967, in the memory of the late Satgurudev Shri Hans Ji Maharaji on His birthday. This year the most Holy and significant event in human history will take place in America.
I think that Millenium '73 is a point where we can really get together and enjoy the bliss bliss with all of our borthers and sisters who are premies; and also tell the world that we have received and realized the permanent service of Truth, Consciousness and Bliss which all the world is looking for in one way or manner.
To do this I really need your help. I really need the help of all the premies in all respects; physically, financially and all other ways to make Millenium '73 come off. This is a festival not for you or me. It is for the whole world and maybe the whole universe.
I hereby invite you to this Divine Festival of Peace, Millenium '73 and request all premies to help me financially, physically and spiritually to make the program manifest for all seekers of Truth.
Isn't it about time you all get together and help me bring peace to this Earth?
Blessings to you all,
[Sant Ji Maharaj]
Your edit has been reverted as it is an opinion rather than facts. See WP:NPOV and WP:V ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 21:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
You are the one who reverted, you shameless editor, you! Besides, you're wrong. My edit was a report of opinions, ones that Geaves himself has acknowledged in his own internet reply to his critics. My text returns.-- Jim Heller 00:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
You are bypsssing your block for WP:3RR by using an IP address to continure reverting, This have been now reported as well on the Administrator's noticeboard. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Rather than get into another reversion war, I'll do it this way. I propose posting the same paragraph I put up the other day. Obviously, you premies don't like it but the fact is, it's apparent beyond question that Geaves has misrepresented the truth about Rawat's role in the Millenium hype.
Geaves said:
Whereas, in a broadly-disseminated letter to all his followers, Rawat described the upcoming program as the "most Holy and significant event in human history", intimated that the festival wasn't just for him and his followers but the whole world, "and maybe the whole universe" and suggested that it was time for his followers to help him "bring peace to this Earth."
Any fair reader can clearly see the serious discrepancy between Geaves' account and the documentary evidence.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim Heller ( talk • contribs)
The phrase " the most Holy and significant event in human history" doesn't just apply to Millenium. It applies to PR's Guru's birthday celebration, of which there had already been six. And whilst PR has his expectations,it is incorrect to assume that he was aware of or shared those of his followers. Momento 23:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Almost got it. "The most significant and Holy event in human history" is to speak of a single event" and that event is the anniversary of Shri Hans birth. Plain as day. Momento 22:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)