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User:Psalm84 is continually referring to "controversies," however, it's not clear what "controversies" they are referring to. The term is used in various contexts by the editor, and the term should be clarified:
However, insofar as their edits being removed, the only actual "controversy" was whether adding minutia about a crime incident should be included. Adding commentary related to the first four uses, but skipping over the actual "controversy" with their edits, their comments become a personal POV essay. Statements like, "One of the first thoughts in most people's minds when Roman Polanski is mentioned . . ." is POV, and with that as their basic premise, the rest becomes advocacy. -- Wikiwatcher1 ( talk) 23:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
These are some issues that have been raised in the previous two sections, "Unbalanced account of the sexual assault" and "What Controversies?"
For the sake of easier reading in this section, I've moved my response back over to the left margin.
From looking at my finished response here, I see that you replied only on one point, which you originally raised:
All of what you wrote in your reply comes from my reply to that, but you didn't demonstrate how it relates to Wikipedia's goal or policies. How does it relate to removing or objecting to properly sourced content that violates no rules, including the ones relating to BLP, and that addresses a POV problem?
As you know, the case itself is the subject of a section, "Sexual assault case," and everything about a page, and a section, has to be accurate, balanced, NPOV, and giving due weight.
I only mentioned what is already in the Wikipedia article, not something that's outside the article content. The "source" is the Wikpedia page itself. You also mentioned no source when you brought up Geimer's wish for a quieter life, so you must have thought I didn't need any source to be mentioned here. This is all found in the bio:
"From what I know, Samantha Geimer has chosen to publicly advocate for Polanski, including not just making statements available to courts and the media but also by appearing herself on TV at times and starring in a film on the case. And in her media appearances, she has gone beyond just expressing support for Polanski or criticizing the judge and media, but also has gone over what happened."
And again this exchange was on a matter that you haven't demonstrated how it relates to Wikipedia's goal or policies: "Ms Geimer has been wishing for a quieter life and less notoriety for many years." And add to that that Geimer has voluntarily sought publicity in recent years, as Polanski's Wikipedia bio demonstrates.
"Could" was in this comment of mine: "Polanski himself could also help the situation now, and has been able to all these years, by turning himself in. As long as the case is unresolved, the more attention from the media Geimer receives." Again, I was replying to your concern about Samantha Geimer's wish for a quieter life and using the Wikipedia page as a source. But you haven't shown that it is a legitimate Wikipedia concern here.
Again, I was focusing on the subject of the section: "Sexual assault case."
I also want to note that you didn't answer the questions about what you consider "telling someone's life story," that the NY Times article you cited doesn't mention the full charges, and about what was the matter with this sentence that was removed, since it is information in Geimer's grand jury testimony, and is frequently basic background information in news articles:
"Geimer told Larry King in 2003 that she'd had reservations about going on the shoot, during which she was given champagne and part of a Quaalude by Polanski, and when she realized his intentions, she'd feigned illness and initially refused his advances."
Psalm84 ( talk) 18:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
This makes it sound like Manson & Co. were arrested, tried, and convicted within the space of a month. In reality, they weren't convicted until January, 1971, more than a year later. 24.69.174.26 ( talk) 00:55, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi - As per WP:MOSIMAGE I had removed a very old picture of the subject and it has been reverted by User:Wikiwatcher1 - a discussion regarding guidelines seems needed - diff with the edit summary of, "restore sharper career-related image" -as this is a biography of much more than a career and we are encouraged to add to a WP:BLP as recent a picture as possible to the infobox - this revert appears against guidelines - the users edit summary would be more of a reason to add the picture they uploaded to a career section , not to the infobox - I note also the reverter User:Wikiwatcher1 is the uploader of the pic they are reverting to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polanski-still-signed.jpg Youreally can 19:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I made a minor change to the Rosemary's Baby section. Because I read in Sandford's book that Evans actually only ostensibly wanted Polanski to make a movie out of the other book, and told Polanski that he wanted him to read Rosemary's Baby and make a film of it quickly. However I had trouble with the citation I lost my work before I could get to the publisher. I think the publisher was Palgrave McMillan so I will add that info.-- RJR3333 ( talk) 10:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I removed the statement that Polanski's offense against the young woman was "sexual abuse" and replaced it with "sexual contact" because although 13 was under the age of consent, it is pov to call it sexual abuse, in my opinion, so I felt "sexual contact" was more npov. Does anyone disagree with my change or have a problem with it? -- RJR3333 ( talk) 10:01, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
“ | Polanski expressed it tersely in his book: "She wasn't unresponsive." Gailey's account differed: three decades later, she recalled, "It was not consensual sex by any means... It was very scary and, looking back, very creepy." Polanski was subsequently arrested and indicted on six counts: among them, perversion, sodomy and rape by use of drugs. | ” |
It's accurate to call what Polanski did sexual abuse, and the article on the case calls it that. But another problem is that there is a content fork between the two articles and they don't say the same thing. This article portrays Polanski as accused of statutory rape, while the case article presents all the charges, in which him drugging the girl was mentioned, and the article discusses that she didn't give "consent." Psalm84 ( talk) 12:20, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to look into this further, but IF it is true that she might have consented and that there is reasonable doubt that it was actual rape we will have to take the child sexual abuse tag down because thirteen is the age of consent in some countries, so it would not be npov, at least in my opinion. I'm going to look up more info on the case later today to see. -- RJR3333 ( talk) 12:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I can't believe how sexist some of the below comments are. Anyway it is not clear that he raped immediately after seeing her in a photo shoot, it merely says after a photo shoot, I think that should be made clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.5.126 ( talk) 22:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I replaced the previous uncited statement that Polanski's parents were atheists with a citation that said that they were both agnostics, however I am not certain if the citation I used meets wp:reliable sources. -- RJR3333 ( talk) 11:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I want to improve this article up to GA status. Is it even close to there yet?-- LordKitchener16 ( talk) 23:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
What is "Franco-Polish" citizenship? Surely it should just be "French and Polish". 78.148.151.220 ( talk) 20:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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The line right under the heading "1980s" Stating that Polanski starred as "child Mozart in the film Amadeus produced by Peter Schaefer" is incorrect and misleading. If you go to the source referenced for that statement:
... you can see that it clearly states that he starred in his own production of the Peter Schaefer's play Amadeus when he returned to Warsaw, not that he was in the film version based on it which is clear to anyone who has seen the film or looks it up. Please change the line "In 1981 Polanski starred as child Mozart in the film Amadeus produced by Peter Schaefer." to instead read "In 1981 Polanski starred in the title role of his own production of Peter Schaefer's Amadeus." as it says in the referenced book.
Thanatos6 ( talk) 23:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Polansky is listed as a Holocaust Survivor on another Wikipedia article. But this article clearly states that he was never in a camp and nobody tried to kill him. How is he any different than my mother who lived in Western Europe between 1933 and 1945? She wasn't in a camp and wasn't killed either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.226.95.18 ( talk • contribs)
Then ANYONE who lived in Europe between 1933 and 1945 is a survivor? Or are only the Jews the survivors?
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Please correct the link to the page "Roman Polanski sexual abuse case". It currently links to a non-existent page called "Roman Polanski sexual abuse casehere" Mjslagle ( talk) 15:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, why is there the first exclamation mark in „¡Spadaj!”? It's Polish, not Spanish...
24.134.66.177 ( talk) 17:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
In the German Wikipedia it is said that he was born under the name of Rajmund Roman Liebling suggesting that his father changed his name after his birth. Which is the right version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.59.133.108 ( talk) 19:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
When talking about his movie Tess, you mention that it is based on the book. This implies that the book is also called Tess. This is wrong. The book is Tess of the D'Urbervilles, and the movie is Tess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.48.106 ( talk) 03:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
The last paragraph under Sexual abuse case contradicts the next heading Documentary films; it should probably be moved to the intro of the Documentary films instead of being the concluding paragraph contradicting the next concluding paragraph. They're sequential and contradictory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.68.53 ( talk) 05:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
No, he was arrested for the rape of a 13 years old girl. It wasn't simply a statutory rape charge because the prosecution claimed there was no consent and he drugged her. -- 189.70.250.241 ( talk) 12:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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This article states that the Krakow Ghetto was liquidated after a rebellion. There was no rebellion in the Krakow Ghetto (see the book The Krakow Ghetto Pharmacy by Tadeusz Pankiewicz, a pharmacist who ran a pharmacy in the Ghetto and was an eyewitness to the entire existence of the Krakow Ghetto.) There was a rebellion in the Warsaw Ghetto which may be what this is referring to. 72.9.4.90 ( talk) 20:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC) NDBriggs
Albert Einstein, an esteemed individual, is listed as merely "German-born" in Wikipedia. While Polanski, a notorious individual is listed as "Polish" rather than "Polish-born". Why the inconsistency? When an individual, if of Hebrew descent, are lauded, they are listed as "Jews" but been they have committed crimes they are no longer Jews, but representatives of their "host countries"; Polish, German, Russian, etc. Wikipedia needs to be consistent. Was Benny Goodman Polish or Jewish?
In this case, Roman Polanski should be listed as a "Polish-born Jew". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.48.232.51 ( talk) 16:17, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
From The Beatles Forever by Nicholas Schaffner, page 129: "...Charlie Manson, who made the Beatles his rationale for murdering the wife of Roman Polanski. The famed director's diabolical Rosemary's Baby was filmed in the New York apartment building presently inhabited by John Lennon". Mind you, the book was written in 1977. Could this be notable for inclusion? If so, could someone please add it in where they see fit? It might also be worth noting on some other articles, such as Roman Polanski, Sharon Tate, etc. Bossanoven ( talk) 03:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Based on the information provided then the first sentence of the first paragraph is incorrect and needs to be corrected by the person responsible for this Wiki-article on Roman Polanski. Factually, Roman Polanski was born in Paris, France and is therefore French. The first sentence states Roman Polanski is Polish. It is true Mr. Polanski may have a Polish background through his father but based on this logic you may as well state Mr. Polanski is Russian because his mother, Bula Katz-Przedborska, was born in Russia. If you follow this kind of logic then Mr. Polanski has a Russian background too but he is not Russian; Roman Polanski is still French. Further, the first sentence states Roman Polanski became a naturalized French citizen in 1979 and there is a reference link (1) which takes you to a New York Times article stating Roman Polanski is Polish- not French. If I am born in New York and my father is from Brazil and my mother is from China then I am still a red-blooded American. 184.76.56.97 ( talk)JSJR 02232015 — Preceding undated comment added 04:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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Bibliography Tylski, Alexandre (2004), Roman Polanski, ses premiers films polonais, Lyon: Aléas. ISBN: 978-2843011092 Tylski, A. (2006), Roman Polanski, l'art de l'adaptation, Paris: L'Harmattan. 2006. ISBN: 978-2296007970 Tylski, A. (2006), Roman Polanski, Rome: Gremese International. ISBN: 978-8873015994 Tylski, A. (2008), Roman Polanski, une signature cinématographique, Lyon: Aléas. ISBN: 978-2843012389 Tylski, A. (2010), Rosemary's Baby (Roman Polanski), Paris: Séguier. ISBN: 978-2840495970 92.134.201.2 ( talk) 05:43, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Polanski's birth name is not Polański, but Liebling, as it is stated in the French version of this article: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski
He was born in 12th district of Paris, France, on 18 August 1933. His birth certificate was registered under number 03144 at the town hall of the 12th district of Paris. Nicolas Hermann FR ( talk) 21:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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Polanski's birth name is not Rajmund Roman Thierry Polański, but Raymond Thierry Liebling, as it is stated in the French version of this article: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski
He was born in 12th district of Paris, France, on 18 August 1933. His birth certificate was registered under number 03144 at the town hall of the 12th district of Paris. Nicolas Hermann FR ( talk) 09:51, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Nicolas Hermann FR ( talk) 21:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Comment:: Why not use existing citations from other language wikis? The French one seems a bit flimsy but the German one is clearly RS. See
Paul Werner:POLANSKI, (page 11)
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The sentence "In an interview with Larry King, the victim, now married and going by the name Samantha Geimer, stated that the police and media had been slow at the time of the assault to believe her account, which she attributed to the climate of the era." is unclear and makes Larry King sound like the victim of the sexual abuse. — Preceding
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The source of [8] given in the article for the claim that Roman's father changed the family's name from Liebling does not corroborate that statement. The entire source mentions neither the name Liebling nor any name change of the family. -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 16:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, the section The Pianist (2002) contains the following sentence: "Szpilman's experiences as a persecuted Jew in Poland during WWII were reminiscent of those of Polanski and his family.". For the sake of historical clarity please add "German-occupied" before the word "Poland". Thanks! Prprpr4632 ( talk) 15:04, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
"I'll see this man never gets out of Jail," he told Polanki's friend, screenwriter Howard E. Koch.[115]
Polanski's name is misspelled here.
Didn't he rape a 13 year old girl? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:EC60:217:A8B6:1B29:AFD3:2F48 ( talk) 04:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Polanski was born as Raymond Thierry Liebling. Why English Wikipedia is trying to hide this fact? I asked Wikipedia many many times, many years ago, without result. Strange... Check Polish and French Wikipedia. Checki interviews with Roman Polanski.
Roman Polanski's father (Mojzesz Liebling) changed his name from Mojzesz Liebling to Ryszard Polanski after World War II, after his second wife's suggestion to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.17.16 ( talk) 12:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
So, what is the source for the information that he was born as "Rajmund Roman Thierry Polański"? Or, in other words, why doesn't he use "Rajmund Polański"? It is more than obvious then he was born as Raymond Thierry Liebling, and then changed to Roman Polański. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.17.16 ( talk) 15:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Nastassja Kinski denies ever having a romantic affair "In a 1999 Guardian interview, the newspaper reports her saying there was categorically no affair and that she said, "There was a flirtation. There could have been a seduction, but there was not. He had respect for me" https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/jul/03/weekend7.weekend3 I am removing this section. 104.34.203.182 ( talk) 19:10, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Unlock it and remove it. There is no citation and the subject categorically denies it. It qualifies as libel.
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Under “World War II,” it is stated:
"Polański escaped the Kraków Ghetto in 1943 and survived by assuming the name Romek Wilk, with the help of some Polish Roman Catholic families including Mrs Sermak who promised his father to shelter him.[11]:21 He attended church, learned to recite Catholic prayers by heart, and behaved outwardly as a Roman Catholic, although he was never baptized. His efforts to blend into a Catholic household failed miserably at least once, when the parish priest visiting the family posed questions to him one-on-one about the catechism: "You aren't one of us", he said.[22] The punishment for helping a Jew in Poland was death.[23]
"As he roamed the countryside trying to survive in a Poland now occupied by German troops, he witnessed many horrors, such as being "forced to take part in a cruel and sadistic game in which German soldiers took shots at him for target practice."[8] Author Ian Freer concludes that his constant childhood fears and dread of violence have contributed to the 'tangible atmospheres he conjures up on film.'[8]"
This seems disjointed. Are we to conclude that after the visit by this priest that the subject was forced (by the family, the priest or on his own volition?) to leave the Sermak (or another’s) household and become a vagrant? Did the priest report the family harboring the boy and were they sentenced to death as the first paragraph indicates was at least a possibility? This seems confusing to me. Also, I thought i read that he had had some connection with Oskar Schindler, perhaps working at his factory for awhile, though not part of the now famed list for transport to Schindler's hoped for haven in Czechoslovakia. if so, this would certainly seem worth noting.
I personally find this portion of the subject's life to be of greater interest than his adult life and career. Maybe someone with additional information could come up with better continuity by way of explanation and possibly expand on Mr. Polanksi's tragic ordeal as a kid.
Thank you. HistoryBuff14 ( talk) 23:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
The name of the other children is Elvis. -- Knickiknacki ( talk) 21:20, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I have edited the following sentence: “In 1977, Polanski was arrested and charged with the rape of a 13-year-old model during a photo session”; neither of the two references in this paragraph make the claim that 1) The victim was a model nor 2) The rape happened during a photo session.
If anyone has a references to a reliable source about the sexual assault happening during a photo session, please add this reference so we can restore this sentence.
As per WP:BLP, we can not make this claim without a source (I heard it happened at a party).
Samboy ( talk) 06:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
It looks like Polanski is now the subject of numerous notable sexual allegations & cases. I'm concerned that "Sexual abuse case" may be a little ambiguous. Should we break this section down into a subsection about the trial and another subsection about the subsequent accusations? NickCT ( talk) 18:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40944120
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/movies/roman-polanski-rape-accusation.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-claims-roman-polanski-molested-16-article-1.3414575
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In October 2017, Roman Polanski returns to Poland to appear in a documentary about his childhood during the Holocaust and after the war, with his longtime friend, the photographer Ryszard Horowitz. They visited Krakow and the village, where Polanski was in hiding after fleeing the ghetto. The film is produced and directed by Mateusz Kudla and Anna Kokoszka-Romer. [1] [2] [3] 185.195.201.86 ( talk) 15:35, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
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User:Psalm84 is continually referring to "controversies," however, it's not clear what "controversies" they are referring to. The term is used in various contexts by the editor, and the term should be clarified:
However, insofar as their edits being removed, the only actual "controversy" was whether adding minutia about a crime incident should be included. Adding commentary related to the first four uses, but skipping over the actual "controversy" with their edits, their comments become a personal POV essay. Statements like, "One of the first thoughts in most people's minds when Roman Polanski is mentioned . . ." is POV, and with that as their basic premise, the rest becomes advocacy. -- Wikiwatcher1 ( talk) 23:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
These are some issues that have been raised in the previous two sections, "Unbalanced account of the sexual assault" and "What Controversies?"
For the sake of easier reading in this section, I've moved my response back over to the left margin.
From looking at my finished response here, I see that you replied only on one point, which you originally raised:
All of what you wrote in your reply comes from my reply to that, but you didn't demonstrate how it relates to Wikipedia's goal or policies. How does it relate to removing or objecting to properly sourced content that violates no rules, including the ones relating to BLP, and that addresses a POV problem?
As you know, the case itself is the subject of a section, "Sexual assault case," and everything about a page, and a section, has to be accurate, balanced, NPOV, and giving due weight.
I only mentioned what is already in the Wikipedia article, not something that's outside the article content. The "source" is the Wikpedia page itself. You also mentioned no source when you brought up Geimer's wish for a quieter life, so you must have thought I didn't need any source to be mentioned here. This is all found in the bio:
"From what I know, Samantha Geimer has chosen to publicly advocate for Polanski, including not just making statements available to courts and the media but also by appearing herself on TV at times and starring in a film on the case. And in her media appearances, she has gone beyond just expressing support for Polanski or criticizing the judge and media, but also has gone over what happened."
And again this exchange was on a matter that you haven't demonstrated how it relates to Wikipedia's goal or policies: "Ms Geimer has been wishing for a quieter life and less notoriety for many years." And add to that that Geimer has voluntarily sought publicity in recent years, as Polanski's Wikipedia bio demonstrates.
"Could" was in this comment of mine: "Polanski himself could also help the situation now, and has been able to all these years, by turning himself in. As long as the case is unresolved, the more attention from the media Geimer receives." Again, I was replying to your concern about Samantha Geimer's wish for a quieter life and using the Wikipedia page as a source. But you haven't shown that it is a legitimate Wikipedia concern here.
Again, I was focusing on the subject of the section: "Sexual assault case."
I also want to note that you didn't answer the questions about what you consider "telling someone's life story," that the NY Times article you cited doesn't mention the full charges, and about what was the matter with this sentence that was removed, since it is information in Geimer's grand jury testimony, and is frequently basic background information in news articles:
"Geimer told Larry King in 2003 that she'd had reservations about going on the shoot, during which she was given champagne and part of a Quaalude by Polanski, and when she realized his intentions, she'd feigned illness and initially refused his advances."
Psalm84 ( talk) 18:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
This makes it sound like Manson & Co. were arrested, tried, and convicted within the space of a month. In reality, they weren't convicted until January, 1971, more than a year later. 24.69.174.26 ( talk) 00:55, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi - As per WP:MOSIMAGE I had removed a very old picture of the subject and it has been reverted by User:Wikiwatcher1 - a discussion regarding guidelines seems needed - diff with the edit summary of, "restore sharper career-related image" -as this is a biography of much more than a career and we are encouraged to add to a WP:BLP as recent a picture as possible to the infobox - this revert appears against guidelines - the users edit summary would be more of a reason to add the picture they uploaded to a career section , not to the infobox - I note also the reverter User:Wikiwatcher1 is the uploader of the pic they are reverting to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polanski-still-signed.jpg Youreally can 19:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I made a minor change to the Rosemary's Baby section. Because I read in Sandford's book that Evans actually only ostensibly wanted Polanski to make a movie out of the other book, and told Polanski that he wanted him to read Rosemary's Baby and make a film of it quickly. However I had trouble with the citation I lost my work before I could get to the publisher. I think the publisher was Palgrave McMillan so I will add that info.-- RJR3333 ( talk) 10:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I removed the statement that Polanski's offense against the young woman was "sexual abuse" and replaced it with "sexual contact" because although 13 was under the age of consent, it is pov to call it sexual abuse, in my opinion, so I felt "sexual contact" was more npov. Does anyone disagree with my change or have a problem with it? -- RJR3333 ( talk) 10:01, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
“ | Polanski expressed it tersely in his book: "She wasn't unresponsive." Gailey's account differed: three decades later, she recalled, "It was not consensual sex by any means... It was very scary and, looking back, very creepy." Polanski was subsequently arrested and indicted on six counts: among them, perversion, sodomy and rape by use of drugs. | ” |
It's accurate to call what Polanski did sexual abuse, and the article on the case calls it that. But another problem is that there is a content fork between the two articles and they don't say the same thing. This article portrays Polanski as accused of statutory rape, while the case article presents all the charges, in which him drugging the girl was mentioned, and the article discusses that she didn't give "consent." Psalm84 ( talk) 12:20, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to look into this further, but IF it is true that she might have consented and that there is reasonable doubt that it was actual rape we will have to take the child sexual abuse tag down because thirteen is the age of consent in some countries, so it would not be npov, at least in my opinion. I'm going to look up more info on the case later today to see. -- RJR3333 ( talk) 12:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I can't believe how sexist some of the below comments are. Anyway it is not clear that he raped immediately after seeing her in a photo shoot, it merely says after a photo shoot, I think that should be made clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.5.126 ( talk) 22:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I replaced the previous uncited statement that Polanski's parents were atheists with a citation that said that they were both agnostics, however I am not certain if the citation I used meets wp:reliable sources. -- RJR3333 ( talk) 11:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I want to improve this article up to GA status. Is it even close to there yet?-- LordKitchener16 ( talk) 23:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
What is "Franco-Polish" citizenship? Surely it should just be "French and Polish". 78.148.151.220 ( talk) 20:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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The line right under the heading "1980s" Stating that Polanski starred as "child Mozart in the film Amadeus produced by Peter Schaefer" is incorrect and misleading. If you go to the source referenced for that statement:
... you can see that it clearly states that he starred in his own production of the Peter Schaefer's play Amadeus when he returned to Warsaw, not that he was in the film version based on it which is clear to anyone who has seen the film or looks it up. Please change the line "In 1981 Polanski starred as child Mozart in the film Amadeus produced by Peter Schaefer." to instead read "In 1981 Polanski starred in the title role of his own production of Peter Schaefer's Amadeus." as it says in the referenced book.
Thanatos6 ( talk) 23:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Polansky is listed as a Holocaust Survivor on another Wikipedia article. But this article clearly states that he was never in a camp and nobody tried to kill him. How is he any different than my mother who lived in Western Europe between 1933 and 1945? She wasn't in a camp and wasn't killed either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.226.95.18 ( talk • contribs)
Then ANYONE who lived in Europe between 1933 and 1945 is a survivor? Or are only the Jews the survivors?
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Please correct the link to the page "Roman Polanski sexual abuse case". It currently links to a non-existent page called "Roman Polanski sexual abuse casehere" Mjslagle ( talk) 15:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, why is there the first exclamation mark in „¡Spadaj!”? It's Polish, not Spanish...
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In the German Wikipedia it is said that he was born under the name of Rajmund Roman Liebling suggesting that his father changed his name after his birth. Which is the right version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.59.133.108 ( talk) 19:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
When talking about his movie Tess, you mention that it is based on the book. This implies that the book is also called Tess. This is wrong. The book is Tess of the D'Urbervilles, and the movie is Tess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.48.106 ( talk) 03:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
The last paragraph under Sexual abuse case contradicts the next heading Documentary films; it should probably be moved to the intro of the Documentary films instead of being the concluding paragraph contradicting the next concluding paragraph. They're sequential and contradictory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.68.53 ( talk) 05:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
No, he was arrested for the rape of a 13 years old girl. It wasn't simply a statutory rape charge because the prosecution claimed there was no consent and he drugged her. -- 189.70.250.241 ( talk) 12:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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This article states that the Krakow Ghetto was liquidated after a rebellion. There was no rebellion in the Krakow Ghetto (see the book The Krakow Ghetto Pharmacy by Tadeusz Pankiewicz, a pharmacist who ran a pharmacy in the Ghetto and was an eyewitness to the entire existence of the Krakow Ghetto.) There was a rebellion in the Warsaw Ghetto which may be what this is referring to. 72.9.4.90 ( talk) 20:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC) NDBriggs
Albert Einstein, an esteemed individual, is listed as merely "German-born" in Wikipedia. While Polanski, a notorious individual is listed as "Polish" rather than "Polish-born". Why the inconsistency? When an individual, if of Hebrew descent, are lauded, they are listed as "Jews" but been they have committed crimes they are no longer Jews, but representatives of their "host countries"; Polish, German, Russian, etc. Wikipedia needs to be consistent. Was Benny Goodman Polish or Jewish?
In this case, Roman Polanski should be listed as a "Polish-born Jew". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.48.232.51 ( talk) 16:17, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
From The Beatles Forever by Nicholas Schaffner, page 129: "...Charlie Manson, who made the Beatles his rationale for murdering the wife of Roman Polanski. The famed director's diabolical Rosemary's Baby was filmed in the New York apartment building presently inhabited by John Lennon". Mind you, the book was written in 1977. Could this be notable for inclusion? If so, could someone please add it in where they see fit? It might also be worth noting on some other articles, such as Roman Polanski, Sharon Tate, etc. Bossanoven ( talk) 03:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Based on the information provided then the first sentence of the first paragraph is incorrect and needs to be corrected by the person responsible for this Wiki-article on Roman Polanski. Factually, Roman Polanski was born in Paris, France and is therefore French. The first sentence states Roman Polanski is Polish. It is true Mr. Polanski may have a Polish background through his father but based on this logic you may as well state Mr. Polanski is Russian because his mother, Bula Katz-Przedborska, was born in Russia. If you follow this kind of logic then Mr. Polanski has a Russian background too but he is not Russian; Roman Polanski is still French. Further, the first sentence states Roman Polanski became a naturalized French citizen in 1979 and there is a reference link (1) which takes you to a New York Times article stating Roman Polanski is Polish- not French. If I am born in New York and my father is from Brazil and my mother is from China then I am still a red-blooded American. 184.76.56.97 ( talk)JSJR 02232015 — Preceding undated comment added 04:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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Bibliography Tylski, Alexandre (2004), Roman Polanski, ses premiers films polonais, Lyon: Aléas. ISBN: 978-2843011092 Tylski, A. (2006), Roman Polanski, l'art de l'adaptation, Paris: L'Harmattan. 2006. ISBN: 978-2296007970 Tylski, A. (2006), Roman Polanski, Rome: Gremese International. ISBN: 978-8873015994 Tylski, A. (2008), Roman Polanski, une signature cinématographique, Lyon: Aléas. ISBN: 978-2843012389 Tylski, A. (2010), Rosemary's Baby (Roman Polanski), Paris: Séguier. ISBN: 978-2840495970 92.134.201.2 ( talk) 05:43, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Polanski's birth name is not Polański, but Liebling, as it is stated in the French version of this article: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski
He was born in 12th district of Paris, France, on 18 August 1933. His birth certificate was registered under number 03144 at the town hall of the 12th district of Paris. Nicolas Hermann FR ( talk) 21:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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Polanski's birth name is not Rajmund Roman Thierry Polański, but Raymond Thierry Liebling, as it is stated in the French version of this article: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski
He was born in 12th district of Paris, France, on 18 August 1933. His birth certificate was registered under number 03144 at the town hall of the 12th district of Paris. Nicolas Hermann FR ( talk) 09:51, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Nicolas Hermann FR ( talk) 21:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Comment:: Why not use existing citations from other language wikis? The French one seems a bit flimsy but the German one is clearly RS. See
Paul Werner:POLANSKI, (page 11)
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The sentence "In an interview with Larry King, the victim, now married and going by the name Samantha Geimer, stated that the police and media had been slow at the time of the assault to believe her account, which she attributed to the climate of the era." is unclear and makes Larry King sound like the victim of the sexual abuse. — Preceding
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The source of [8] given in the article for the claim that Roman's father changed the family's name from Liebling does not corroborate that statement. The entire source mentions neither the name Liebling nor any name change of the family. -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 16:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, the section The Pianist (2002) contains the following sentence: "Szpilman's experiences as a persecuted Jew in Poland during WWII were reminiscent of those of Polanski and his family.". For the sake of historical clarity please add "German-occupied" before the word "Poland". Thanks! Prprpr4632 ( talk) 15:04, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
"I'll see this man never gets out of Jail," he told Polanki's friend, screenwriter Howard E. Koch.[115]
Polanski's name is misspelled here.
Didn't he rape a 13 year old girl? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:EC60:217:A8B6:1B29:AFD3:2F48 ( talk) 04:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Polanski was born as Raymond Thierry Liebling. Why English Wikipedia is trying to hide this fact? I asked Wikipedia many many times, many years ago, without result. Strange... Check Polish and French Wikipedia. Checki interviews with Roman Polanski.
Roman Polanski's father (Mojzesz Liebling) changed his name from Mojzesz Liebling to Ryszard Polanski after World War II, after his second wife's suggestion to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.17.16 ( talk) 12:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
So, what is the source for the information that he was born as "Rajmund Roman Thierry Polański"? Or, in other words, why doesn't he use "Rajmund Polański"? It is more than obvious then he was born as Raymond Thierry Liebling, and then changed to Roman Polański. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.17.16 ( talk) 15:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Nastassja Kinski denies ever having a romantic affair "In a 1999 Guardian interview, the newspaper reports her saying there was categorically no affair and that she said, "There was a flirtation. There could have been a seduction, but there was not. He had respect for me" https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/jul/03/weekend7.weekend3 I am removing this section. 104.34.203.182 ( talk) 19:10, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Unlock it and remove it. There is no citation and the subject categorically denies it. It qualifies as libel.
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Under “World War II,” it is stated:
"Polański escaped the Kraków Ghetto in 1943 and survived by assuming the name Romek Wilk, with the help of some Polish Roman Catholic families including Mrs Sermak who promised his father to shelter him.[11]:21 He attended church, learned to recite Catholic prayers by heart, and behaved outwardly as a Roman Catholic, although he was never baptized. His efforts to blend into a Catholic household failed miserably at least once, when the parish priest visiting the family posed questions to him one-on-one about the catechism: "You aren't one of us", he said.[22] The punishment for helping a Jew in Poland was death.[23]
"As he roamed the countryside trying to survive in a Poland now occupied by German troops, he witnessed many horrors, such as being "forced to take part in a cruel and sadistic game in which German soldiers took shots at him for target practice."[8] Author Ian Freer concludes that his constant childhood fears and dread of violence have contributed to the 'tangible atmospheres he conjures up on film.'[8]"
This seems disjointed. Are we to conclude that after the visit by this priest that the subject was forced (by the family, the priest or on his own volition?) to leave the Sermak (or another’s) household and become a vagrant? Did the priest report the family harboring the boy and were they sentenced to death as the first paragraph indicates was at least a possibility? This seems confusing to me. Also, I thought i read that he had had some connection with Oskar Schindler, perhaps working at his factory for awhile, though not part of the now famed list for transport to Schindler's hoped for haven in Czechoslovakia. if so, this would certainly seem worth noting.
I personally find this portion of the subject's life to be of greater interest than his adult life and career. Maybe someone with additional information could come up with better continuity by way of explanation and possibly expand on Mr. Polanksi's tragic ordeal as a kid.
Thank you. HistoryBuff14 ( talk) 23:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
The name of the other children is Elvis. -- Knickiknacki ( talk) 21:20, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I have edited the following sentence: “In 1977, Polanski was arrested and charged with the rape of a 13-year-old model during a photo session”; neither of the two references in this paragraph make the claim that 1) The victim was a model nor 2) The rape happened during a photo session.
If anyone has a references to a reliable source about the sexual assault happening during a photo session, please add this reference so we can restore this sentence.
As per WP:BLP, we can not make this claim without a source (I heard it happened at a party).
Samboy ( talk) 06:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
It looks like Polanski is now the subject of numerous notable sexual allegations & cases. I'm concerned that "Sexual abuse case" may be a little ambiguous. Should we break this section down into a subsection about the trial and another subsection about the subsequent accusations? NickCT ( talk) 18:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Sources:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40944120
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/movies/roman-polanski-rape-accusation.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-claims-roman-polanski-molested-16-article-1.3414575
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In October 2017, Roman Polanski returns to Poland to appear in a documentary about his childhood during the Holocaust and after the war, with his longtime friend, the photographer Ryszard Horowitz. They visited Krakow and the village, where Polanski was in hiding after fleeing the ghetto. The film is produced and directed by Mateusz Kudla and Anna Kokoszka-Romer. [1] [2] [3] 185.195.201.86 ( talk) 15:35, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
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