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Rolls-Royce Mustang Mk.X is a bit of a made up name it should either be the unofficial nickname "Rolls-Royce Mustang" or the official North American Mustang Mk X not a mixture. MilborneOne ( talk) 19:46, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
The Merlin-Mustang project was never an NAA initiative but rather a Ministry of Aircraft Production project given to Rolls-Royce after it requested permission to experiment with a Merlin installation on the Mustang 1 following Rolls-Royce service liaison pilot Ronnie Harker's flight in the aircraft n 30 April 1942. The project was not run by, coordinated by or in any other way influenced by NAA.
In fact numerous letters from RR and MAP show that instead RR influenced NAA with NAA representatives (Lee Atwood amongst others) visiting Hucknall repeatedly and RR sending engineers to NAA. RR at Hucknall on behalf of the MAP, had been experimenting with and modifying and improving Mustang 1s and sending data back to NAA since the aircraft's arrival in the UK in late 1941. It was the de-facto development arm of NAA for this aircraft as the RAF was using the aircraft in combat long before the USAAF.
Accordingly, the correct name of the aircraft is the Rolls-Royce/MAP applied designation - Rolls Royce Mustang X or simply Mustang X. Rolls-Royce and the Mustang (Birch, David - Rolls Royce Historical Society 1987 shows in multiple places, using reproductions of original documents that the aircraft is never referred to as the 'MK anything'. Every letter and performance chart and evaluation (p 118-135) including a reports on p 129 signed by WGDCDR D.O. Finlay, CO of the Air Fighting Development Unit, the primary testing organisation evaluating the Mustang X and the many developments and modifications involved, shows this to be the case.
I am happy to be corrected if any one can find a primary source i.e. from Rolls-Royce that says otherwise.
This is akin to calling the RAF Mustang 1 and 1a, P-51s (NAA Models NA-73, 83 and 91) which they were not, as the P-51 was a distinct design, (Model NA 99) only came into existence after the A-36 and the P-51A.
There is a significant difference between applying a designation for convenience to a pre-existing aircraft (i.e. Mustang 1 to XP-51/P-51/F6A) and having nomenclature for an aircraft designed to a contract specification (NA 99-P-51A) Otherwise all Douglas Dauntlesses could be called A-24s.
The Mustang X was a Rolls-Royce development project for the Ministry of Aircraft Production and Rolls-Royce is in effect the manufacturer or design authority for this purpose. The aircraft never served with the RAF and so is not subject to the usual vagaries of the RAF numbering system. They remained with RR for the entire war. Rolls-Royce, AFDU, AA&E and RAE all have official documents describing it as the Mustang X and nothing else. These are primary sources, particularly Rolls-Royce as the design authority.
NAA was constantly informed of the developments to the Mustang X including having representatives on-site at Hucknall and RR sending engineers to NAA to help integrate the Packard Merlin. Birch's book contains numerous letters between NAA management and RR and other British agencies.
I am unsure as to how any other source or 'opinion' can take precedence over a primary source...
Stacking citations of opinions does not equal a fact. This kind of thing damages WIKI's credibility.
Also, how does not having the manufacturer in the title work? The WIKI article for the Boeing 747 is Boeing 747 not just '747'.
The article should be titled Rolls Royce Mustang X, as the official documentation shows. I have uploaded documentation below for Talk page purposes that confirms this. I am not sure how this shows on a 'talk page and it does not seem to allow me to upload more than one image.) /info/en/?search=File:AFDU_Mustang_X_report.png#file]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Completeaerogeek ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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Rolls-Royce Mustang Mk.X is a bit of a made up name it should either be the unofficial nickname "Rolls-Royce Mustang" or the official North American Mustang Mk X not a mixture. MilborneOne ( talk) 19:46, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
The Merlin-Mustang project was never an NAA initiative but rather a Ministry of Aircraft Production project given to Rolls-Royce after it requested permission to experiment with a Merlin installation on the Mustang 1 following Rolls-Royce service liaison pilot Ronnie Harker's flight in the aircraft n 30 April 1942. The project was not run by, coordinated by or in any other way influenced by NAA.
In fact numerous letters from RR and MAP show that instead RR influenced NAA with NAA representatives (Lee Atwood amongst others) visiting Hucknall repeatedly and RR sending engineers to NAA. RR at Hucknall on behalf of the MAP, had been experimenting with and modifying and improving Mustang 1s and sending data back to NAA since the aircraft's arrival in the UK in late 1941. It was the de-facto development arm of NAA for this aircraft as the RAF was using the aircraft in combat long before the USAAF.
Accordingly, the correct name of the aircraft is the Rolls-Royce/MAP applied designation - Rolls Royce Mustang X or simply Mustang X. Rolls-Royce and the Mustang (Birch, David - Rolls Royce Historical Society 1987 shows in multiple places, using reproductions of original documents that the aircraft is never referred to as the 'MK anything'. Every letter and performance chart and evaluation (p 118-135) including a reports on p 129 signed by WGDCDR D.O. Finlay, CO of the Air Fighting Development Unit, the primary testing organisation evaluating the Mustang X and the many developments and modifications involved, shows this to be the case.
I am happy to be corrected if any one can find a primary source i.e. from Rolls-Royce that says otherwise.
This is akin to calling the RAF Mustang 1 and 1a, P-51s (NAA Models NA-73, 83 and 91) which they were not, as the P-51 was a distinct design, (Model NA 99) only came into existence after the A-36 and the P-51A.
There is a significant difference between applying a designation for convenience to a pre-existing aircraft (i.e. Mustang 1 to XP-51/P-51/F6A) and having nomenclature for an aircraft designed to a contract specification (NA 99-P-51A) Otherwise all Douglas Dauntlesses could be called A-24s.
The Mustang X was a Rolls-Royce development project for the Ministry of Aircraft Production and Rolls-Royce is in effect the manufacturer or design authority for this purpose. The aircraft never served with the RAF and so is not subject to the usual vagaries of the RAF numbering system. They remained with RR for the entire war. Rolls-Royce, AFDU, AA&E and RAE all have official documents describing it as the Mustang X and nothing else. These are primary sources, particularly Rolls-Royce as the design authority.
NAA was constantly informed of the developments to the Mustang X including having representatives on-site at Hucknall and RR sending engineers to NAA to help integrate the Packard Merlin. Birch's book contains numerous letters between NAA management and RR and other British agencies.
I am unsure as to how any other source or 'opinion' can take precedence over a primary source...
Stacking citations of opinions does not equal a fact. This kind of thing damages WIKI's credibility.
Also, how does not having the manufacturer in the title work? The WIKI article for the Boeing 747 is Boeing 747 not just '747'.
The article should be titled Rolls Royce Mustang X, as the official documentation shows. I have uploaded documentation below for Talk page purposes that confirms this. I am not sure how this shows on a 'talk page and it does not seem to allow me to upload more than one image.) /info/en/?search=File:AFDU_Mustang_X_report.png#file]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Completeaerogeek ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)