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Added a death toll table, because of the numbers in the sidebar are usually, when it comes to the kurds, outdated. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.183.36 ( talk) 17:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I'd also update the death toll with new 450 civil victims [1] [2]. (User Archinovista) 8 August 2013
In the death toll listing the casualties for 'rebel' groups fighting on the Islamist side of the conflict are omitted. I believe that this is highly inconsistent and therefore I shall be adding 'rebel' casualties to the Islamist death toll list whenever these are omitted.
77.172.61.192 ( talk) 18:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
@Brown_Moses Unlike you - I actually care about #Syria. I don't like to see it destroyed because of YouTube and pseudo experts @stianuhlmann' - - 'destroyed because of YouTube'聽!- what an utter moron. Sayerslle ( talk) 15:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to ask someone who knows how if they could expand the map so that it includes the areas to the west which are the front line now. thanks. -- U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 19:48, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the long delay, but i tried to extend the map and it couldn't pull it of. Instead i made a map for the situation in Kobane instead. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Siege_of_Kobane.svg 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.176.12 ( talk) 22:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I gave it another try. The map at the bottom is an expanded map with a better background...
SOHR hasn't reported any Kurdish deaths or any fighting in the Kurdish areas since ISIL was expelled from AQ. Can anyone confirm whether this conflict is ongoing or not?
SOHR also reported on 2/8/14 that both Nusrah and Ahrar al Sham have been attacked by ISIL in Hasakah province, and Ahrar in particular announced that they're abandoning the united front there.
Hystanes ( talk) 23:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
There are alot of tweets and pictures that Tel Brak has been taken over by YPG and MFS (Syriac Military Council) and they are headed to Tel Hamis Malik Danno ( talk) 12:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Raised this at WP:RSN#Syrian Observatory for Human Rights being used as an RS for Syrian Kurdish鈥揑slamist conflict (2013-present) Dougweller ( talk) 20:04, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Please read the note on sanctions at the top of this page. Dougweller ( talk) 20:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
The last edit by the user named Predator2014 is not supported by the reference; just because the US supported some Syrian rebels who ultimately (purportedly) joined the IS doesn't mean that the US supports the IS. It is quite misleading to claim so, I think. I would revert it myself, but I believe that that would breach the revert rule on Syrian civil war articles. David O. Johnson ( talk) 17:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. David O. Johnson ( talk) 18:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I would like to ask other editors on whether Turkish alleged involvement should be included. I propose the inclusion of the following section into the article.Predator2014 opposes it.Should it be included or not?
Supported by:
Catlemur ( talk) 09:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The information is not POV.It is barely the opinion of the Kurdish side, hence the alleged mark.It is by no means controversial.Turkey has already blocked Kurds from entering Syria (which itself can be considered as a minor form of indirect support to the enemies of YPG), there is also an endless list of reasons why Turkey would like to weaken Rojava. Catlemur ( talk) 12:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Indirect support:
See full text:
Anwar Moslem: Yes, that鈥檚 right. It regularly happens. But our people from Northern Kurdistan will also join us despite the difficulties created by the Turkish authorities. Those who want to cross the border to Kobane, they can do it one way or another despite all those hardships. But Turkish authorities must realize that if the ISIS seizes Kobane, they will soon head to Turkey. Turkish officials must take this fact into account and help Kobane and let Kobane鈥檚 boys and girls cross the borders to their own city.
He just warned that if Turkey will not support Kurds (remain neutral), soon ISIS will attack them (Turks).
Predator2014 (
talk) comment added 16:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
"They attack us with the support of the Assad regime, and also Turkey is turning a blind eye"
This quote is from
here
Here is another
link with proof (go to 21,40).
Please stop turning a blind eye and openly lying about the issue.--
Catlemur (
talk) 17:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I have provided enough evidence and have (at least so far) received overwhelming support from other users.Tomorrow I am going to put the section back,in case you persist I will report you. Catlemur ( talk) 17:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Your refs. doesn`t claim Turkish direct support. Your unilateral actions will be considered as vandalism. And you did not answer about your refs. claims that Syrian government supports ISIS against Kurds.-- Predator2014 ( talk) 鈥 Preceding undated comment added 17:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Sure,delete the section as soon as it happens.So far they block Kurdish volunteers from entering Syria.-- Catlemur ( talk) 17:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
How do you have overwhelming support from the users? I've only seen you and one other user express support for this opinion. The rest were dissenting. -- 47.55.19.76 ( talk) 21:49, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Inclusion of Turkey with ISIL is inappropriate. Turkey has armed FSA, but the "support" of ISIL claim revolves around open or closed borders. It appears that Turkey is trying to control their own Kurdish population, and prevent ISIL from attacking in Turkey. Legacypac ( talk) 05:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure how this should be done, but the YPG has collaborated with the FSA recently [6], so putting them as belligerents is somewhat misleading, based on the current status of the conflict. I propose that the infobox be updated. David O. Johnson ( talk) 09:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Can someone translate this [ article] from French?-- Catlemur ( talk) 19:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
The article's title is troubling. It presents the conflict as between Kurds and Islamists when the kurds are being armed and supported by Islamist governments, and there are kurdish islamists. http://time.com/3196580/iran-kurds-isis-erbil-iraq/ I propose the article be renamed as Kurdish involvement in the Syrian Civil war.
The list of Belligerents gives a false impression of uniformity putting the Islamic State and AL Nusra on the same side when they are also fighting each other. The FSA is also not an Islamist movement and if the debate is framed as Kurdish vs Islamist they should definitely not be included. I propose that the list be removed completely.
The biggest part of the FSA is islamist only the Non-Muslims in FSA (Christians, Yazidis, Communists) are really secular.-- 141.19.228.15 ( talk) 19:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
The Islamic State has kurdish members too. The IS is only against Yezidis, Kurdish Schia Muslims and the secular socialist and communist PKK and its sub-Organizations but not against the Kurdish people.-- 141.19.228.15 ( talk) 19:32, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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Syrian Rebel鈥揔urdish conflict (2013鈥損resent) 鈥 The title suggests that all of the organizations that fights against YPG and it's allies in Syria are Islamist organizations and that's totally false. Free Syrian Army (FSA) for example is not an Islamist organization and FSA cooperating with Islamists doesn't make them Islamists. Because if Bashar al-Assad's Syrian Arab Army (SAA) cooperating with Hezbollah (a Shia Jihadists-Islamist organization) doesn't make the SAA Islamist then FSA cooperating with Islamists doesn't make the FSA Islamist either.
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This article from the very beginning described the conflict between Rojava and al-Qaeda, including IS. There is already an article for the YPG-FSA conflict at YPG-FSA relations and all the content related to the conflict should be placed in that article, which is too big for a merger with this article. Editor abcdef ( talk) 05:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I've created a draft article about relations between Iraqi Kurdistan and Rojava using a paragraph from Foreign relations of Rojava. It needs a lot of work and I'd truly appreciate some help in developing it. Charles Essie ( talk) 16:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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In this article there is no particular dispute that deserves an article alone. There is no conflict between Kurds and Islamists. I do not think that this article is worth staying and therefore I ask to delete it or merge it after getting the necessary votes. What's the source for the start of the conflict. I can not find any. Plus I have never read about a speacial Kurdish-Islamist conflict in Syria in neutral sources. In short this article is artificial and there are unknown goals behind its creation. The intermittent fights between the Kurds and the Islamists is not special and not unique to write about. Syrian Democratic Forces are not pure Kurds to be placed with the Kurds. There is also a huge lack of other wikis. The Syrian civil war is in its final stages, so there is no need to divide the conflict into conflicts with no horizon for its end.-- Sakiv ( talk) 23:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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Added a death toll table, because of the numbers in the sidebar are usually, when it comes to the kurds, outdated. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.183.36 ( talk) 17:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I'd also update the death toll with new 450 civil victims [1] [2]. (User Archinovista) 8 August 2013
In the death toll listing the casualties for 'rebel' groups fighting on the Islamist side of the conflict are omitted. I believe that this is highly inconsistent and therefore I shall be adding 'rebel' casualties to the Islamist death toll list whenever these are omitted.
77.172.61.192 ( talk) 18:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
@Brown_Moses Unlike you - I actually care about #Syria. I don't like to see it destroyed because of YouTube and pseudo experts @stianuhlmann' - - 'destroyed because of YouTube'聽!- what an utter moron. Sayerslle ( talk) 15:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to ask someone who knows how if they could expand the map so that it includes the areas to the west which are the front line now. thanks. -- U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 19:48, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the long delay, but i tried to extend the map and it couldn't pull it of. Instead i made a map for the situation in Kobane instead. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Siege_of_Kobane.svg 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.176.12 ( talk) 22:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I gave it another try. The map at the bottom is an expanded map with a better background...
SOHR hasn't reported any Kurdish deaths or any fighting in the Kurdish areas since ISIL was expelled from AQ. Can anyone confirm whether this conflict is ongoing or not?
SOHR also reported on 2/8/14 that both Nusrah and Ahrar al Sham have been attacked by ISIL in Hasakah province, and Ahrar in particular announced that they're abandoning the united front there.
Hystanes ( talk) 23:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
There are alot of tweets and pictures that Tel Brak has been taken over by YPG and MFS (Syriac Military Council) and they are headed to Tel Hamis Malik Danno ( talk) 12:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Raised this at WP:RSN#Syrian Observatory for Human Rights being used as an RS for Syrian Kurdish鈥揑slamist conflict (2013-present) Dougweller ( talk) 20:04, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Please read the note on sanctions at the top of this page. Dougweller ( talk) 20:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
The last edit by the user named Predator2014 is not supported by the reference; just because the US supported some Syrian rebels who ultimately (purportedly) joined the IS doesn't mean that the US supports the IS. It is quite misleading to claim so, I think. I would revert it myself, but I believe that that would breach the revert rule on Syrian civil war articles. David O. Johnson ( talk) 17:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. David O. Johnson ( talk) 18:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I would like to ask other editors on whether Turkish alleged involvement should be included. I propose the inclusion of the following section into the article.Predator2014 opposes it.Should it be included or not?
Supported by:
Catlemur ( talk) 09:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The information is not POV.It is barely the opinion of the Kurdish side, hence the alleged mark.It is by no means controversial.Turkey has already blocked Kurds from entering Syria (which itself can be considered as a minor form of indirect support to the enemies of YPG), there is also an endless list of reasons why Turkey would like to weaken Rojava. Catlemur ( talk) 12:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Indirect support:
See full text:
Anwar Moslem: Yes, that鈥檚 right. It regularly happens. But our people from Northern Kurdistan will also join us despite the difficulties created by the Turkish authorities. Those who want to cross the border to Kobane, they can do it one way or another despite all those hardships. But Turkish authorities must realize that if the ISIS seizes Kobane, they will soon head to Turkey. Turkish officials must take this fact into account and help Kobane and let Kobane鈥檚 boys and girls cross the borders to their own city.
He just warned that if Turkey will not support Kurds (remain neutral), soon ISIS will attack them (Turks).
Predator2014 (
talk) comment added 16:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
"They attack us with the support of the Assad regime, and also Turkey is turning a blind eye"
This quote is from
here
Here is another
link with proof (go to 21,40).
Please stop turning a blind eye and openly lying about the issue.--
Catlemur (
talk) 17:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I have provided enough evidence and have (at least so far) received overwhelming support from other users.Tomorrow I am going to put the section back,in case you persist I will report you. Catlemur ( talk) 17:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Your refs. doesn`t claim Turkish direct support. Your unilateral actions will be considered as vandalism. And you did not answer about your refs. claims that Syrian government supports ISIS against Kurds.-- Predator2014 ( talk) 鈥 Preceding undated comment added 17:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Sure,delete the section as soon as it happens.So far they block Kurdish volunteers from entering Syria.-- Catlemur ( talk) 17:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
How do you have overwhelming support from the users? I've only seen you and one other user express support for this opinion. The rest were dissenting. -- 47.55.19.76 ( talk) 21:49, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Inclusion of Turkey with ISIL is inappropriate. Turkey has armed FSA, but the "support" of ISIL claim revolves around open or closed borders. It appears that Turkey is trying to control their own Kurdish population, and prevent ISIL from attacking in Turkey. Legacypac ( talk) 05:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure how this should be done, but the YPG has collaborated with the FSA recently [6], so putting them as belligerents is somewhat misleading, based on the current status of the conflict. I propose that the infobox be updated. David O. Johnson ( talk) 09:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Can someone translate this [ article] from French?-- Catlemur ( talk) 19:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
The article's title is troubling. It presents the conflict as between Kurds and Islamists when the kurds are being armed and supported by Islamist governments, and there are kurdish islamists. http://time.com/3196580/iran-kurds-isis-erbil-iraq/ I propose the article be renamed as Kurdish involvement in the Syrian Civil war.
The list of Belligerents gives a false impression of uniformity putting the Islamic State and AL Nusra on the same side when they are also fighting each other. The FSA is also not an Islamist movement and if the debate is framed as Kurdish vs Islamist they should definitely not be included. I propose that the list be removed completely.
The biggest part of the FSA is islamist only the Non-Muslims in FSA (Christians, Yazidis, Communists) are really secular.-- 141.19.228.15 ( talk) 19:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
The Islamic State has kurdish members too. The IS is only against Yezidis, Kurdish Schia Muslims and the secular socialist and communist PKK and its sub-Organizations but not against the Kurdish people.-- 141.19.228.15 ( talk) 19:32, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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This article from the very beginning described the conflict between Rojava and al-Qaeda, including IS. There is already an article for the YPG-FSA conflict at YPG-FSA relations and all the content related to the conflict should be placed in that article, which is too big for a merger with this article. Editor abcdef ( talk) 05:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I've created a draft article about relations between Iraqi Kurdistan and Rojava using a paragraph from Foreign relations of Rojava. It needs a lot of work and I'd truly appreciate some help in developing it. Charles Essie ( talk) 16:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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In this article there is no particular dispute that deserves an article alone. There is no conflict between Kurds and Islamists. I do not think that this article is worth staying and therefore I ask to delete it or merge it after getting the necessary votes. What's the source for the start of the conflict. I can not find any. Plus I have never read about a speacial Kurdish-Islamist conflict in Syria in neutral sources. In short this article is artificial and there are unknown goals behind its creation. The intermittent fights between the Kurds and the Islamists is not special and not unique to write about. Syrian Democratic Forces are not pure Kurds to be placed with the Kurds. There is also a huge lack of other wikis. The Syrian civil war is in its final stages, so there is no need to divide the conflict into conflicts with no horizon for its end.-- Sakiv ( talk) 23:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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How is Turkey's operation related with this article? Beshogur ( talk) 19:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Thepharoah17, it appears you have --> moved the article 鈥淩ojava鈥揑slamist conflict鈥 to --> 鈥淎ANES鈥揑slamist conflict鈥 without a Request to Move discussion? Is this true? If so, you should move it back and open a request if you believe the new name fits better. 聽 Redthoreau -- ( talk) 22:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)