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This article states: "In June 1966, the men got permission to name their flight Apollo 1." Really? It seems unlikely that the crew would be given permission to name their mission Apollo 1 - they might be allowed to pick the name of the capsule (liberty bell 7, etc.) but not the overall mission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.130.189 ( talk) 17:15, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hey all. I have been working on this article a decent amount, and I think that the memorials section is just a collection of random trivia facts that do not belong on Wikipedia. I can agree with keeping things like the plaques that are located at KSC, but things like roads should be removed in my opinion. These sorts of details are left out of the Neil Armstrong article (which is assessed GA), I think for a good reason. Wanted to discuss it first since it is a decent sized change. Let me know your thoughts, thanks! Kees08 ( talk) 04:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Referencing-wise, this is close to B-Class but there's still a few areas missing citations; aside from under Memorials (mentioned immediately above) those are:
Also,
Find a Grave is not generally considered a reliable source.
Done, removed, I agree thanks for giving me a reason to finally do it.
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05:05, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
I'll leave those to others but will walk through the article and see if the prose can use tweaking. Cheers,
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07:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Ian Rose: Let me know if you need me to do anything else. Thanks! Kees08 ( talk) 07:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Ian Rose: Hey there, let me know if you need anything else from me on this! Kees08 ( talk) 07:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I do not know how I missed your comment, I will fix that today
@ Ian Rose: Cited the last two sentences. I can cite anymore you would like me to. Let me know if you need me to change anything else. Thanks for all the help! Kees08 ( talk) 00:54, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Kees08, I just have two problems with your update: 1) I don't see what was "not entirely accurate" about the accident summary that was there; and 2) I think this is too much detail about the accident investigation findings, which can be found in the Apollo 1 page. I think this article about Chaffee should just basically summarize the accident, which is how he died. (The existing summary was also based on the report.) Adding details devoted to him, such as his couch position and suit condition, I think are appropriate. JustinTime55 ( talk) 13:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
White and Grissom followed emergency procedures to attempt to open the command module hatch, while Chaffee maintained communications with the blockhouse. The cabin was equipped with a pressure relief system, but it was unable to keep up with the gas pressure generated from the fire. This created a high internal pressure, which combined with the hatch design, made it impossible for the astronauts to open the hatch.The hull ruptured at 23:31:19 GMT, with all voice transmissions ceasing three seconds after. After the hull ruptured, flames begin igniting materials outside of the capsule which, along with heavy smoke, inhibited rescue efforts. Once firefighters were able to access the hatch, they noted the positions of the astronaut couches...
Further investigation revealed the astronauts died to due asphyxia from smoke inhalation. Initial efforts to remove the astronauts from the command module failed, as their suits fused to the seats of the capsule. Photographs of the capsule were taken with the crew still in place in order to aid the investigation; afterwards, it took 90 minutes to remove the crew, seven and a half hours after the accident.
opposed to the original, which I think is just fine as a summary:
During the twenty-three seconds that the fire was fed by pure
oxygen at slightly greater than atmospheric pressure, Chaffee stayed strapped to his right-hand seat. Assigned emergency roles called for Grissom, in the left-hand seat, to open the cabin pressure vent valve, while White in the center seat was to open the hatch, and Chaffee in the right-hand seat was to maintain communications. Grissom was prevented from opening the valve by the intensity of the fire, which started in that region. Despite this, White removed his restraints and tried in vain to open the hatch. The increasing pressure finally burst the inner cabin wall; now fed by nitrogen-buffered ambient air, the fire decreased in intensity and eventually put itself out. By that time it had already produced large amounts of smoke, which killed the astronauts.
I would just add a little detail about Grissom and White's assigned emergency roles (in italics above), and keep the two sentences about Chaffee's couch position, suit and restraint condition. JustinTime55 ( talk) 15:30, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
During the twenty-three seconds that the fire was fed by pure oxygen at slightly greater than atmospheric pressure.... This is the approximate time interval between the voltage surge (presumably the ignitor of the fire) observed at 23:30:55 (page 5–10: "The time of initiation probably coincides with the spacecraft power interruption at 23:30:55 GMT") and the time of cabin rupture, 23:31:19. The fire had been burning for about nine or ten seconds before the crew reported of fire. Actually, I see the report says on page 5–3 that the fire's phase 2—phase 3 switch occurred at 23:31:25, so it should probably be changed to "about thirty seconds". The fire started before the crew reported it. I don't understand what you mean by "That is sometime both after rupture and after communications with the crew officially ceased".
Although most of the fire inside the Command Module became extinguished shortly because of lack of oxygen, a localized, intense fire lingered in the area of the Environmental Control Unit. This unit is located in the left hand equipment bay, near the point where the fire is believed to have started. Failed oxygen and water/glycol lines in this area continued to supply oxygen and fuel to support the localized fire that melted the aft bulkhead and burned adjacent portions of the inner surface of the Command Module heat shield.
Hold on. I don't agree that both statements have been refuted.
Following the loss of pressure in the Command Module and with fire now through the crew compartment, the remaining atmosphere quickly became deficient in oxygen so that it could not support continued combustion. Unlike the earlier stages where the flame was relatively smokeless, heavy smoke now formed and large amounts of soot were deposited on most spacecraft interior surfaces as they cooled.
I will modify it to describe the two different fires, and add the appropriate citations. JustinTime55 ( talk) 13:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Placing additional sources here that are not in the article. Kees08 (Talk) 01:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:16, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Roger B. Chaffee → Roger Chaffee – See https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Roger+Chaffee%2CRoger+Bruce+Chaffee%2CRoger+B.+Chaffee&year_start=1930 --- Coffeeand crumbs 23:26, 9 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 04:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I have a request in to the National Archives. They are searching their collection and request 2-3 weeks to complete the task. Kees08 (Talk) 16:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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This article states: "In June 1966, the men got permission to name their flight Apollo 1." Really? It seems unlikely that the crew would be given permission to name their mission Apollo 1 - they might be allowed to pick the name of the capsule (liberty bell 7, etc.) but not the overall mission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.130.189 ( talk) 17:15, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hey all. I have been working on this article a decent amount, and I think that the memorials section is just a collection of random trivia facts that do not belong on Wikipedia. I can agree with keeping things like the plaques that are located at KSC, but things like roads should be removed in my opinion. These sorts of details are left out of the Neil Armstrong article (which is assessed GA), I think for a good reason. Wanted to discuss it first since it is a decent sized change. Let me know your thoughts, thanks! Kees08 ( talk) 04:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Referencing-wise, this is close to B-Class but there's still a few areas missing citations; aside from under Memorials (mentioned immediately above) those are:
Also,
Find a Grave is not generally considered a reliable source.
Done, removed, I agree thanks for giving me a reason to finally do it.
Kees08 (
talk)
05:05, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
I'll leave those to others but will walk through the article and see if the prose can use tweaking. Cheers,
Ian Rose (
talk)
07:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Ian Rose: Let me know if you need me to do anything else. Thanks! Kees08 ( talk) 07:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Ian Rose: Hey there, let me know if you need anything else from me on this! Kees08 ( talk) 07:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I do not know how I missed your comment, I will fix that today
@ Ian Rose: Cited the last two sentences. I can cite anymore you would like me to. Let me know if you need me to change anything else. Thanks for all the help! Kees08 ( talk) 00:54, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Kees08, I just have two problems with your update: 1) I don't see what was "not entirely accurate" about the accident summary that was there; and 2) I think this is too much detail about the accident investigation findings, which can be found in the Apollo 1 page. I think this article about Chaffee should just basically summarize the accident, which is how he died. (The existing summary was also based on the report.) Adding details devoted to him, such as his couch position and suit condition, I think are appropriate. JustinTime55 ( talk) 13:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
White and Grissom followed emergency procedures to attempt to open the command module hatch, while Chaffee maintained communications with the blockhouse. The cabin was equipped with a pressure relief system, but it was unable to keep up with the gas pressure generated from the fire. This created a high internal pressure, which combined with the hatch design, made it impossible for the astronauts to open the hatch.The hull ruptured at 23:31:19 GMT, with all voice transmissions ceasing three seconds after. After the hull ruptured, flames begin igniting materials outside of the capsule which, along with heavy smoke, inhibited rescue efforts. Once firefighters were able to access the hatch, they noted the positions of the astronaut couches...
Further investigation revealed the astronauts died to due asphyxia from smoke inhalation. Initial efforts to remove the astronauts from the command module failed, as their suits fused to the seats of the capsule. Photographs of the capsule were taken with the crew still in place in order to aid the investigation; afterwards, it took 90 minutes to remove the crew, seven and a half hours after the accident.
opposed to the original, which I think is just fine as a summary:
During the twenty-three seconds that the fire was fed by pure
oxygen at slightly greater than atmospheric pressure, Chaffee stayed strapped to his right-hand seat. Assigned emergency roles called for Grissom, in the left-hand seat, to open the cabin pressure vent valve, while White in the center seat was to open the hatch, and Chaffee in the right-hand seat was to maintain communications. Grissom was prevented from opening the valve by the intensity of the fire, which started in that region. Despite this, White removed his restraints and tried in vain to open the hatch. The increasing pressure finally burst the inner cabin wall; now fed by nitrogen-buffered ambient air, the fire decreased in intensity and eventually put itself out. By that time it had already produced large amounts of smoke, which killed the astronauts.
I would just add a little detail about Grissom and White's assigned emergency roles (in italics above), and keep the two sentences about Chaffee's couch position, suit and restraint condition. JustinTime55 ( talk) 15:30, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
During the twenty-three seconds that the fire was fed by pure oxygen at slightly greater than atmospheric pressure.... This is the approximate time interval between the voltage surge (presumably the ignitor of the fire) observed at 23:30:55 (page 5–10: "The time of initiation probably coincides with the spacecraft power interruption at 23:30:55 GMT") and the time of cabin rupture, 23:31:19. The fire had been burning for about nine or ten seconds before the crew reported of fire. Actually, I see the report says on page 5–3 that the fire's phase 2—phase 3 switch occurred at 23:31:25, so it should probably be changed to "about thirty seconds". The fire started before the crew reported it. I don't understand what you mean by "That is sometime both after rupture and after communications with the crew officially ceased".
Although most of the fire inside the Command Module became extinguished shortly because of lack of oxygen, a localized, intense fire lingered in the area of the Environmental Control Unit. This unit is located in the left hand equipment bay, near the point where the fire is believed to have started. Failed oxygen and water/glycol lines in this area continued to supply oxygen and fuel to support the localized fire that melted the aft bulkhead and burned adjacent portions of the inner surface of the Command Module heat shield.
Hold on. I don't agree that both statements have been refuted.
Following the loss of pressure in the Command Module and with fire now through the crew compartment, the remaining atmosphere quickly became deficient in oxygen so that it could not support continued combustion. Unlike the earlier stages where the flame was relatively smokeless, heavy smoke now formed and large amounts of soot were deposited on most spacecraft interior surfaces as they cooled.
I will modify it to describe the two different fires, and add the appropriate citations. JustinTime55 ( talk) 13:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Placing additional sources here that are not in the article. Kees08 (Talk) 01:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:16, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Roger B. Chaffee → Roger Chaffee – See https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Roger+Chaffee%2CRoger+Bruce+Chaffee%2CRoger+B.+Chaffee&year_start=1930 --- Coffeeand crumbs 23:26, 9 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 04:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I have a request in to the National Archives. They are searching their collection and request 2-3 weeks to complete the task. Kees08 (Talk) 16:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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