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Who ever wrote many sections of this article clearly has a bias AGAINST this chap. Is he an honorary Republican or something? Maybe we can call this the Hillary Syndrome. I think the person above is prob the one sliding things from what he perceives as bias in favor to bias AGAINST as opposed to a neutral article.
Like the Fox news motto—fair, balanced and unafraid. The problem with this website is it is overloaded with out-of-work left wingnuts living in their parents’ basement eating Funyuns.
Get a job! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.39.192 ( talk) 15:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I love this. This shows just how nuts some right wingers are. Here's an article that, according to him, is biased ... AGAINST A DEMOCRAT ... and he's upset!??! What's next? Getting angry about a very favorable and flattering article about Newt Gingrich? What a genius. And while I don't live in my parents' basement, I also don't keep nude pictures of Sean Hannity in my sock drawer. By the way, these funyuns are delicious. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.98.8 ( talk) 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Since I agree with this section title, I'll add what I think is a root cause: using the accrued government pension and health care funds to keep the state and its commonfolk afloat, coupled with layoffs and budget cuts in the state government, culminating with a detachment from the Springfield machine and the tiers of benefit disbursement. Best wishes LtGov Quinn. Greg0658 ( talk) 04:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that more correct would be: Blagojević,he is of Serbian origin and they don't use ch, but c with carrons: ć/č. -- Smihael ( talk) 22:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody provide the source; Blagojevich has been impeached today. GoodDay ( talk) 16:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone please adjust the interwiki to the (just added) Dutch Wikipedia article Rod Blagojevich? I can't ... 2NG ( talk) 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I found the statement that critics say his position on BoA is dangerous odd with no futher explanation. Does anyone have a problem with the fact that the person quoted as saying "dangerous" in the cited Bloomberg article has represented Bank of America. It is not a very credible critic. Or maybe it could note that that position is taken by someone connected to BoA. ( Frankie816 ( talk) 23:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC))
I have corrected this article to reflect the fact that Blagojevich is a resident of Ravenswood Manor, not Ravenswood which is an entirely separate neighborhood in Chicago for the second time in the last few weeks. Furthermore, I have also engaged in a discussion with User:Writeful who has previously corrected the Ravenswood, Chicago article on this matter. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 23:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I was redirected from blagosphere to this. why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathbal101 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
misspelling 'blog' as 'blag ' is an xkcd joke...related maybe? 74.10.227.130 ( talk) 15:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Some idiots out there actually have a movement called Free Rod Blagojevich. I don't know who is behind it, but it might be worth including in the Wiki entry. What do you think? http://www.freerodblagojevich.com Or maybe it's just too stupid.
Dwharrington ( talk) 19:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I am quite sure that if Blagojevich has anything to do with the "Free Rod Blagojevich" movement, it won't be free since he will try to sell it to the highest bidder. Are these people who are running the "Free Rod Blagojevich" website serious, or is this a tongue in cheek site? Themoodyblue ( talk) 05:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
On the Rod Blagojevich page, it says that he has "striven" to improve traffic safety laws. shouldn't it be "has strove" or "has strived"? "Striven" is a past participle, not a past tense. 4.159.181.130 ( talk) 20:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
'Strived' (weak past participle) or 'striven' (strong past participle) are equally correct. Possibly 'striven' might sound somewhat antiquated to some English speakers. 'Strove' is unequivocally the preterite/imperfect tense of the strong verb, so cannot be preceeded by 'have/has':
Strong forms: strive (pres.) -- strove (pret./imperf.) -- striven (past part.)
Weak forms: strive (pres.) -- strived (pret./imperf.) -- strived (past part.)
In a particular context it's obviously better style to stick with either the weak or thge strong verb forms.
Geoff Powers ( talk) 14:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Peoples, Blagojevich was not Impeached & Convicted by the Senate. He was Convicted by the Senate, but impeached by the House of Representatives. GoodDay ( talk) 23:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Do we have a source for the second (Jan 14) impeachment vote? which was 117-1. GoodDay ( talk) 00:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The section on his removal from office says he was removed and barred from office by a unanimous vote. As we all know, it was done by two separate votes, as stated in the introduction. This should be fixed in the body of the article. 145.116.9.130 ( talk) 03:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Observation: About half of the introduction discusses the corruption charges and impeachment directly and much of the rest talks about his lack of popularity. Although certainly this whole spectacle is what is most noteworthy about him this seems non-encyclopedic. First, the corruption charge is a single very short-term event. Second, even if one argues that he deserves to be villified the article should try to be balanced.
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 02:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
For most people, this might be true. For Blagojevich, he was notable as governor for bringing stalled budgets and bills and getting little done, while being investigated for years. This led to unpopularity. When he did accomplish something major, it was by executive order and it was usually declared unconstitutional by a court later.-- Gloriamarie ( talk) 16:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The audio pronunciation of "Blagojevich" is incorrect. It sounds like his name ends it "it" instead of "ich". The ex-governor says it with a distinctive "ich" sound at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.82.115 ( talk) 13:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Just so we're all clear, people. Quinn became Governor before taking the gubernatorial oath of office. GoodDay ( talk) 20:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
There is no mention of his fondness for Elvis. Should this be included? It has been mentioned in various news reports. Twested ( talk) 22:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Is this aricle serious/ i don't know much about this guy, but this article is disrespectful. Im inclined to assume its simply written by people who don't much like him and ignore it. But someone should write a more balanced and fair article. Some of us aren't here to laugh at people but to learn about them. For example, if he had low approval ratings, then how did he get elected? There would have to be a good reason for those ratings if they happened before the scandal. Also, Im not aware that he has not been convicted, but merely accused, theu he has never been arrested, although he has probably been taken in for questioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.148.192 ( talk) 21:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is Blagojevich granted an honorific in so many parts of this article? Surely that's entirely out of step with both WP and encyclopedic convention, which is to use surname alone except where cases of confusion might arise? 81.158.1.233 ( talk) 16:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I have heard many commentators and reporters on news analysis programs on the radio and television mention his unusual hair style. Maybe this should be mentioned in the article with sources. -- Triadian ( talk) 21:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have authoritative infomation on the following question -- Can the State of Illinois bar him from future election as a US Representative from an Illinois congressional district or as a US Senator from Illinois? Or would such a ban be a usurpation of the perogative of the US Constitution to be the sole definer of the qualifications for those offices? (Obviously, this is almost purely a theoretical question, as the electorate is highly unlikely to elect him even if they are permitted to do so. Still, there is the precedent of Alcee Hastings, elected to Congress itself after conviction on an impeachment as a Federal judge, although the US Senate did not impose a ban from future Federal office in that case, and under the US Constitution, the US Senate does have the right to impose such a ban in Federal impachment cases)
Since I really cannot edit the page(locked), the ECHL teams had striped and orange unis for his time in prison as a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.73.244 ( talk) 20:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Earlier comments are correct. State constitutions and local charters are different and have different rules for governance. Kwame Kilpatrick, as part of his punishment, was barred from office for a period of five years in Detriot. Whether he gains another office after the five years have elapsed remains to be seen. It appears as if Mr. Blagojevich has been banned from public office for life, within the state of Illinois. It has not been stated whether he will be ineligible for office in any other State or for federal office. USN1977 ( talk) 21:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
The Supreme Court has ruled that the states cannot add qualifications to federal offices (for example in its decision on term limits. As a result, Blagojevich can run for federal office in Illinois. - Rrius ( talk) 06:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Rod Blagojevich Gubernatorial administration is nearly a word-for-word duplicate of this article's 2002, 2006 election and Gubernatorial administration sections, and then all the content of Rod Blagojevich controversies after it. Is this a work in progress or am I missing something? Terrierhere ( talk) 22:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Since those two pages are virtually duplicates of this article, I think a merge and redirect may be in order. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 03:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Terrierhere ( talk) 00:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I have formally proposed the merger. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 02:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Further discussion on this issue can be found under the "Merger Proposal" section below. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 23:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
"...was the second Serbian American to be elected governor of any state of the United States, after George Voinovich of Ohio." What about Michael A. Stepanovich, who was governor of Alaska?-- 80.133.227.247 ( talk) 13:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I think now would be a good time to find a new picture for Blago rather than his old congressional photo, preferably one from the recent events of his impeachment. Nite Owl II 22:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I am 150% for the merger of the three articles into this one.-- Never give up! Never surrender! ( talk) 02:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Why has discussion stopped and no action taken place? NickDupree ( talk) 19:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
The merger proposal has been executed with respect to the Rod Blagojevich Gubernatorial administration article, but failed with respect to the Rod Blagojevich controversies article. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 14:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I suggest Patti Blagojevich's page be re-created. Her page takes up space on Rod's page. It would just be a good idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.230.69 ( talk) 08:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I was looking for her page and was redirected here? wtf? -- 71.107.78.149 ( talk) 16:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I added book release information as well as three citations regarding the release from two third party sources )Chicago Trib, and UPI) while citing the book directly without comment on the book other than its release, in line with NPOV. Comments?
IlliniGradResearch ( talk) 20:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you think he really did it? He claims that the prosecuters won't release the tapes and stuff so maybe there's something fishy going on :S 78.82.140.213 ( talk) 00:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
There is nothing odd about it. Until the preliminary hearing, those tapes are evidence and cannot be released. He knows that and he's posturing. He's hoping that the average person will not understand the legal process and do as you are doing, which is to question the prosecution's validity without ever stepping in a courtroom. In other words he is committing 'dirty politics', and quite frankly in my humble opinion, he's pretty horrible at it. And yes, his honorific is stripped immediately after being impeached. You don't get to keep the 'honor' after being impeached, because you have no honor. Seriously, how is this hard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.112.64 ( talk) 10:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
What does it matter? Illinois REALLY is the Land of Corruption! I should know, lived here for 34 years, and have watched as this state has become more and more and more and more corrupt!!! Take it from someone who's lived here that long, do NOT move to Illinois, because all this corruption will eventually come back on this sate, and when that happens... well, I don't want to be here when it does!!! I hope Edgar runs for governor, and cleans up this HORRIBLE state!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.206.21.58 ( talk) 21:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
George Victor Voinovich was born in in Cleveland, Ohio, by Serbian father and Slovene mother. So, does it make him a Sebian? Does he consider himself a Serb? If you can't find any reliable source proving that he's Serbian, then it's a POV and I suggest you to remove it. Just because some person has Serbian roots, doesn't make it a Serbian. He was born in a different continent in Slovenian-Serbian marriage. His first name is George, and I don't know anyone from the Southeastern Europe who is named George. By the same logic he could be Slovenian. But he isn't.
Regardless of his parents national origin, he is 100% American. Besides that, in this country, your name doesn't define you, your upbringing does. He's not identified as a Serbian-American in his hometown -- he grew up Catholic in a heavily Slovenian neighborhood, and was a proud 'son' of the Slovenian-American community there. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 03:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Again, you've missed the point. No one is denying 'Voinovich' is a Serbian name by origin. No one is denying he is half-Serbian. You're not making the distinction between appearance and actuality. While the name Voinovich is Serbian, 'the guy' is not a Serb -- he's an American, born and raised. In America, if you were born here (see: the 14th Ammendment) -- not to mention raised here, you are an American. It isn't helpful to anyone who doesn't know anything about the man otherwise (as you're claiming to 'help' with insight), when you keep calling him a Serb (which, being an American by birth he is technically not) and meanwhile completely overlook the fact that his mother is Slovenian -- which, since you are delineating between 'ancestry' and 'ethnicity' he is also ethnically a Slovene. Despite his Serbian name, in his hometown of Cleveland, Ohio, he is 'ethnically' identified with the community of his Slovenian mother. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 17:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
You are an exceedingly enlightened individual. Your literary criticism is also appreciated. Good luck in all of your future endeavors. You should come check out the US someday. You might become more of an expert on that, too. Have a nice day. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 21:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah...DIRECTOR, it's you again.
Yes, right after you lose your argument, threats for reporting and banning start :)))
So called Croat who is well known communist sympathizer and pro-Serbian from the post you give on the articles on Yugoslavia, Serbia, Bosnia&Herzegovina, Slovenia and Croatia. It's incredible how people like you do not try to argue if Blagojevic is a Serb or not, even if he's much more of a Serb than Voinovich...maybe because he's not the shiniest example of Serbs? :))))
But in the end, WHERE are sources DIRECTOR? You usually have an outstanding ability to make an article as much communist or Serbian POV as possible, without breaking wikipedia rules (most of the time). You know, tons of quotes from only one side with one opinion, trashing background of the subject with unrelated pro-communist trash and adding gross, hidden, communist POV. Most of the articles are much more better now, but there are some where great DIRECTOR influence (garbage) still shines...like defending war criminal and dictator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito
At least there are other wikipedians who are neither communists or radical Serbs, so all that garbage-articles you almost ruined with your communist POV are much more better today. Well, most of them..I am still disgusted by few articles defending communist war criminals and justifying (almost praising) genocides.
It's strange to see you lose..
And that's ladies and gentleman, why everyone wants to get away from Serbs for an entire century (since they started first world war and forced other nations in first Yugoslavia which was Serbian dominated monarchy).
P.S. don't worry, there are many likes of me (your own words from long ago)...at least 50 million people. You know, all nations that were once part of now dead(thank God) Yugoslavia, even many Serbs (believe it or not), who despise communism and war criminal Tito. And there were many, many loses in the war...and not all sides were equally guilty (like many Serbs or communists would like to think).
Everyone, feel free to delete my comment, I couldn't resist, but to laugh at this communist Serb from Croatia(again). :D —Preceding
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Rod Blagojevich's first name is "Rod" & only "Rod" is on his birth certificate. His father wanted "Milorad", but his mother insisted on simple American name for both of her sons. But the father & the Serbian relatives always called him "Milorad". For more on this with specific citations, see Eric Zorn's Chicago Tribune blog item http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/08/milorad.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.92.192 ( talk) 14:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Should we link "lying to the FBI" to Making false statements - is that what he was found guilty of? Probably readers will want to learn more about the exact crime committed.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 14:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Right wing POV pushers are plauging this article and attempting to use it to attack all Democrats. there are glib insults toward the respondent in this areicle that do not meet the standard of an encyclopedia and are ridiculas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.38.173.3 ( talk) 14:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, don't we have a picture of Blagojevich to use for his main image besides his congressional photo? - 108.82.70.231 ( talk) 20:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Should the commercial he was featured in for Pistachios be added to this page? If for no other reason than it features a tagline to Rod doing it "innocently?"
Here's a HuffPost article on the old commercial. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/01/rod-blagojevich-pitches-p_n_777335.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3daysaside ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
This article opens by mentioning mr. Blagojevich is a convicted felon. Similar articles of famous people who were convicted of crime(s) like Wesley Snipes, O.J. Simpson, Li'l Kim have the occupations that made them famous mentioned first and the part about their convictions and sentences mentioned later.
I therefore suggest that the intro to the article be rewritten to better reflect mr. Blagojevich's political career and mention the conviction and the facts of that later. Robin.lemstra ( talk) 13:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Citations on approval ratings should either included sources others than the notoriously right leaning and inaccurate Rasmussen Reports or the section should be removed altogether Cosand ( talk) 16:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
This page is a train wreck and an assault on accuracy and objectivity. It is full of unsubstantiated and non cited speculation, tabloid rumor, and biased personal commentary, much of which is categorically absurd. Just a few of many examples
His arrest and conviction should be condensed in to a single section at the end of the page, as is seen on scores of other pages of public figures who have been convicted of crimes. It is my wish to edit the page and keep the accurate information found in the first third of the page, delete the non cited fabrications and comments, and clarify and correct the errors in the last two thirds, complete with verifiable citations. This will mean major edits to the page so at this time, I formally seek consensus on the OK for the re write and edit Cosand ( talk) 03:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Since there has been no objection voiced to my proposal for a major overhaul, I have started the editing process and have removed duplication, Non cited material and bias unsubstantiated commentary Cosand ( talk) 05:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps you may want to wait until I am finished. I actually "deleted" very little, and did a lot more moving than deletion. Did we really need THREE accounts of his conviction in the same article? Commentary from the Illinois NRA, and weasle words like "at least a dozen" and "Tried to enact" as opposed to "proposed" (I think not) The page now also makes chronological sense as opposed to the way it was previously scattered. Not to mention THIS...Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page...."Through his father-in-law's connections"...ZERO evidence, citation and borderline libelous Cosand ( talk) 06:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
As was suggested at the top of the talk page, I also plan to compose a section on the controversy surrounding the severity of his sentence, to omit this part of the discussion is to render the page incomplete Cosand ( talk) 06:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem, and thank you. I welcome your scrutiny, suggestions and help. I hope that you take my user page statement in the constructive way it is intended. As stated, it is my concern that what has become, for better or worse, the most widely used reference on the planet, is sometimes rendered sterile buy rule overkill, and while on one hand causal editors are encouraged to be "bold", they are slapped on the wrist and marginalized when they are. Again, I look forward to your critique of my addition regarding the dubious evidence and the severity of the sentence at the triel. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosand ( talk • contribs) 07:20, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
As promised, I made extensive changes to the page, consolidated the legal issues at the end, deleted the tabloid content and weasel words, and added some balance to the page, I fell that this is now a bio page as opposed to the character assassination page it had been Cosand ( talk) 21:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
There are some citations in this article which could be improved. For starters, the reference tag named "2002bio" is used heavily in the article. It's not even remotely close to what a proper academic citation should look like. It's more like a really bad clue. I've copied it below and replaced the angular brackets in the Wiki code with parenthesis for readability.
(ref name="2002bio")Copley News Service. Three Democrats battle for party's nomination for governor. March 9, 2002.(/ref)
Can someone please fix this reference if they know more about it?
DeeplyInspired52 ( talk) 22:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
The section on Patrick Fitzgerald is given undue weight and not appropriate for the article. This article is about Blagojevich, not Fitzgerald nor Scooter Libby and does not belong here. I propose that the section is removed. Cheerio. HoundofBaskersville ( talk) 16:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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This page needs a critique of the Federal Trial, analyzing the lack of prosecutorial evidence and examining any possible prosecutorial misconduct. Certainly readers will wonder how this politically-motivated trial could have proceeded without any evidence of misconduct by Blago, and why the prosecutors did not face charges or disciplinary action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.51.122.18 ( talk) 13:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. IMO the travesty which was the prosecution and absurdity of the sentence exceeds the relevance of the charges themselves Cosand ( talk) 16:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I have essentially overhauled the page and it is now an actual informational article on the person in question as opposed to the partisan political hack job it was. The material is in proper chronological order, weasel words, bias and talk radio tabloid gossip has been removed, and the information on the Governors legal problems are balanced and complete. Cosand ( talk) 02:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
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Mention might be made that at the end of his presidency Obama reviewed his case and declined pardon or commute his sentence, and that Trump (just today) announced he would consider pardoning Blagojevich. SecretName101 ( talk) 17:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
As a perusal of this article suggests, Blagojevich was a shoeshiner at a young age. The article on shoeshiners shows many other prominent people have been shoeshiners. So, why remove the category? It isn't an insult. Hoktiwe ( talk) 15:47, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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KidCare
http://www.allkidscovered.com/
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(the latter ruled unconstitutional)
http://illinoisissues.uis.edu/archives/2008/05/state.html
Greg0658 (
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Who ever wrote many sections of this article clearly has a bias AGAINST this chap. Is he an honorary Republican or something? Maybe we can call this the Hillary Syndrome. I think the person above is prob the one sliding things from what he perceives as bias in favor to bias AGAINST as opposed to a neutral article.
Like the Fox news motto—fair, balanced and unafraid. The problem with this website is it is overloaded with out-of-work left wingnuts living in their parents’ basement eating Funyuns.
Get a job! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.39.192 ( talk) 15:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I love this. This shows just how nuts some right wingers are. Here's an article that, according to him, is biased ... AGAINST A DEMOCRAT ... and he's upset!??! What's next? Getting angry about a very favorable and flattering article about Newt Gingrich? What a genius. And while I don't live in my parents' basement, I also don't keep nude pictures of Sean Hannity in my sock drawer. By the way, these funyuns are delicious. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.98.8 ( talk) 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Since I agree with this section title, I'll add what I think is a root cause: using the accrued government pension and health care funds to keep the state and its commonfolk afloat, coupled with layoffs and budget cuts in the state government, culminating with a detachment from the Springfield machine and the tiers of benefit disbursement. Best wishes LtGov Quinn. Greg0658 ( talk) 04:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that more correct would be: Blagojević,he is of Serbian origin and they don't use ch, but c with carrons: ć/č. -- Smihael ( talk) 22:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody provide the source; Blagojevich has been impeached today. GoodDay ( talk) 16:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone please adjust the interwiki to the (just added) Dutch Wikipedia article Rod Blagojevich? I can't ... 2NG ( talk) 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I found the statement that critics say his position on BoA is dangerous odd with no futher explanation. Does anyone have a problem with the fact that the person quoted as saying "dangerous" in the cited Bloomberg article has represented Bank of America. It is not a very credible critic. Or maybe it could note that that position is taken by someone connected to BoA. ( Frankie816 ( talk) 23:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC))
I have corrected this article to reflect the fact that Blagojevich is a resident of Ravenswood Manor, not Ravenswood which is an entirely separate neighborhood in Chicago for the second time in the last few weeks. Furthermore, I have also engaged in a discussion with User:Writeful who has previously corrected the Ravenswood, Chicago article on this matter. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 23:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I was redirected from blagosphere to this. why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathbal101 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
misspelling 'blog' as 'blag ' is an xkcd joke...related maybe? 74.10.227.130 ( talk) 15:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Some idiots out there actually have a movement called Free Rod Blagojevich. I don't know who is behind it, but it might be worth including in the Wiki entry. What do you think? http://www.freerodblagojevich.com Or maybe it's just too stupid.
Dwharrington ( talk) 19:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I am quite sure that if Blagojevich has anything to do with the "Free Rod Blagojevich" movement, it won't be free since he will try to sell it to the highest bidder. Are these people who are running the "Free Rod Blagojevich" website serious, or is this a tongue in cheek site? Themoodyblue ( talk) 05:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
On the Rod Blagojevich page, it says that he has "striven" to improve traffic safety laws. shouldn't it be "has strove" or "has strived"? "Striven" is a past participle, not a past tense. 4.159.181.130 ( talk) 20:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
'Strived' (weak past participle) or 'striven' (strong past participle) are equally correct. Possibly 'striven' might sound somewhat antiquated to some English speakers. 'Strove' is unequivocally the preterite/imperfect tense of the strong verb, so cannot be preceeded by 'have/has':
Strong forms: strive (pres.) -- strove (pret./imperf.) -- striven (past part.)
Weak forms: strive (pres.) -- strived (pret./imperf.) -- strived (past part.)
In a particular context it's obviously better style to stick with either the weak or thge strong verb forms.
Geoff Powers ( talk) 14:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Peoples, Blagojevich was not Impeached & Convicted by the Senate. He was Convicted by the Senate, but impeached by the House of Representatives. GoodDay ( talk) 23:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Do we have a source for the second (Jan 14) impeachment vote? which was 117-1. GoodDay ( talk) 00:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The section on his removal from office says he was removed and barred from office by a unanimous vote. As we all know, it was done by two separate votes, as stated in the introduction. This should be fixed in the body of the article. 145.116.9.130 ( talk) 03:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Observation: About half of the introduction discusses the corruption charges and impeachment directly and much of the rest talks about his lack of popularity. Although certainly this whole spectacle is what is most noteworthy about him this seems non-encyclopedic. First, the corruption charge is a single very short-term event. Second, even if one argues that he deserves to be villified the article should try to be balanced.
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 02:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
For most people, this might be true. For Blagojevich, he was notable as governor for bringing stalled budgets and bills and getting little done, while being investigated for years. This led to unpopularity. When he did accomplish something major, it was by executive order and it was usually declared unconstitutional by a court later.-- Gloriamarie ( talk) 16:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The audio pronunciation of "Blagojevich" is incorrect. It sounds like his name ends it "it" instead of "ich". The ex-governor says it with a distinctive "ich" sound at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.82.115 ( talk) 13:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Just so we're all clear, people. Quinn became Governor before taking the gubernatorial oath of office. GoodDay ( talk) 20:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
There is no mention of his fondness for Elvis. Should this be included? It has been mentioned in various news reports. Twested ( talk) 22:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Is this aricle serious/ i don't know much about this guy, but this article is disrespectful. Im inclined to assume its simply written by people who don't much like him and ignore it. But someone should write a more balanced and fair article. Some of us aren't here to laugh at people but to learn about them. For example, if he had low approval ratings, then how did he get elected? There would have to be a good reason for those ratings if they happened before the scandal. Also, Im not aware that he has not been convicted, but merely accused, theu he has never been arrested, although he has probably been taken in for questioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.148.192 ( talk) 21:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is Blagojevich granted an honorific in so many parts of this article? Surely that's entirely out of step with both WP and encyclopedic convention, which is to use surname alone except where cases of confusion might arise? 81.158.1.233 ( talk) 16:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I have heard many commentators and reporters on news analysis programs on the radio and television mention his unusual hair style. Maybe this should be mentioned in the article with sources. -- Triadian ( talk) 21:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have authoritative infomation on the following question -- Can the State of Illinois bar him from future election as a US Representative from an Illinois congressional district or as a US Senator from Illinois? Or would such a ban be a usurpation of the perogative of the US Constitution to be the sole definer of the qualifications for those offices? (Obviously, this is almost purely a theoretical question, as the electorate is highly unlikely to elect him even if they are permitted to do so. Still, there is the precedent of Alcee Hastings, elected to Congress itself after conviction on an impeachment as a Federal judge, although the US Senate did not impose a ban from future Federal office in that case, and under the US Constitution, the US Senate does have the right to impose such a ban in Federal impachment cases)
Since I really cannot edit the page(locked), the ECHL teams had striped and orange unis for his time in prison as a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.73.244 ( talk) 20:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Earlier comments are correct. State constitutions and local charters are different and have different rules for governance. Kwame Kilpatrick, as part of his punishment, was barred from office for a period of five years in Detriot. Whether he gains another office after the five years have elapsed remains to be seen. It appears as if Mr. Blagojevich has been banned from public office for life, within the state of Illinois. It has not been stated whether he will be ineligible for office in any other State or for federal office. USN1977 ( talk) 21:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
The Supreme Court has ruled that the states cannot add qualifications to federal offices (for example in its decision on term limits. As a result, Blagojevich can run for federal office in Illinois. - Rrius ( talk) 06:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Rod Blagojevich Gubernatorial administration is nearly a word-for-word duplicate of this article's 2002, 2006 election and Gubernatorial administration sections, and then all the content of Rod Blagojevich controversies after it. Is this a work in progress or am I missing something? Terrierhere ( talk) 22:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Since those two pages are virtually duplicates of this article, I think a merge and redirect may be in order. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 03:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Terrierhere ( talk) 00:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I have formally proposed the merger. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 02:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Further discussion on this issue can be found under the "Merger Proposal" section below. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 23:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
"...was the second Serbian American to be elected governor of any state of the United States, after George Voinovich of Ohio." What about Michael A. Stepanovich, who was governor of Alaska?-- 80.133.227.247 ( talk) 13:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I think now would be a good time to find a new picture for Blago rather than his old congressional photo, preferably one from the recent events of his impeachment. Nite Owl II 22:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I am 150% for the merger of the three articles into this one.-- Never give up! Never surrender! ( talk) 02:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Why has discussion stopped and no action taken place? NickDupree ( talk) 19:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
The merger proposal has been executed with respect to the Rod Blagojevich Gubernatorial administration article, but failed with respect to the Rod Blagojevich controversies article. -- TommyBoy ( talk) 14:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I suggest Patti Blagojevich's page be re-created. Her page takes up space on Rod's page. It would just be a good idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.230.69 ( talk) 08:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I was looking for her page and was redirected here? wtf? -- 71.107.78.149 ( talk) 16:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I added book release information as well as three citations regarding the release from two third party sources )Chicago Trib, and UPI) while citing the book directly without comment on the book other than its release, in line with NPOV. Comments?
IlliniGradResearch ( talk) 20:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you think he really did it? He claims that the prosecuters won't release the tapes and stuff so maybe there's something fishy going on :S 78.82.140.213 ( talk) 00:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
There is nothing odd about it. Until the preliminary hearing, those tapes are evidence and cannot be released. He knows that and he's posturing. He's hoping that the average person will not understand the legal process and do as you are doing, which is to question the prosecution's validity without ever stepping in a courtroom. In other words he is committing 'dirty politics', and quite frankly in my humble opinion, he's pretty horrible at it. And yes, his honorific is stripped immediately after being impeached. You don't get to keep the 'honor' after being impeached, because you have no honor. Seriously, how is this hard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.112.64 ( talk) 10:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
What does it matter? Illinois REALLY is the Land of Corruption! I should know, lived here for 34 years, and have watched as this state has become more and more and more and more corrupt!!! Take it from someone who's lived here that long, do NOT move to Illinois, because all this corruption will eventually come back on this sate, and when that happens... well, I don't want to be here when it does!!! I hope Edgar runs for governor, and cleans up this HORRIBLE state!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.206.21.58 ( talk) 21:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
George Victor Voinovich was born in in Cleveland, Ohio, by Serbian father and Slovene mother. So, does it make him a Sebian? Does he consider himself a Serb? If you can't find any reliable source proving that he's Serbian, then it's a POV and I suggest you to remove it. Just because some person has Serbian roots, doesn't make it a Serbian. He was born in a different continent in Slovenian-Serbian marriage. His first name is George, and I don't know anyone from the Southeastern Europe who is named George. By the same logic he could be Slovenian. But he isn't.
Regardless of his parents national origin, he is 100% American. Besides that, in this country, your name doesn't define you, your upbringing does. He's not identified as a Serbian-American in his hometown -- he grew up Catholic in a heavily Slovenian neighborhood, and was a proud 'son' of the Slovenian-American community there. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 03:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Again, you've missed the point. No one is denying 'Voinovich' is a Serbian name by origin. No one is denying he is half-Serbian. You're not making the distinction between appearance and actuality. While the name Voinovich is Serbian, 'the guy' is not a Serb -- he's an American, born and raised. In America, if you were born here (see: the 14th Ammendment) -- not to mention raised here, you are an American. It isn't helpful to anyone who doesn't know anything about the man otherwise (as you're claiming to 'help' with insight), when you keep calling him a Serb (which, being an American by birth he is technically not) and meanwhile completely overlook the fact that his mother is Slovenian -- which, since you are delineating between 'ancestry' and 'ethnicity' he is also ethnically a Slovene. Despite his Serbian name, in his hometown of Cleveland, Ohio, he is 'ethnically' identified with the community of his Slovenian mother. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 17:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
You are an exceedingly enlightened individual. Your literary criticism is also appreciated. Good luck in all of your future endeavors. You should come check out the US someday. You might become more of an expert on that, too. Have a nice day. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 21:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah...DIRECTOR, it's you again.
Yes, right after you lose your argument, threats for reporting and banning start :)))
So called Croat who is well known communist sympathizer and pro-Serbian from the post you give on the articles on Yugoslavia, Serbia, Bosnia&Herzegovina, Slovenia and Croatia. It's incredible how people like you do not try to argue if Blagojevic is a Serb or not, even if he's much more of a Serb than Voinovich...maybe because he's not the shiniest example of Serbs? :))))
But in the end, WHERE are sources DIRECTOR? You usually have an outstanding ability to make an article as much communist or Serbian POV as possible, without breaking wikipedia rules (most of the time). You know, tons of quotes from only one side with one opinion, trashing background of the subject with unrelated pro-communist trash and adding gross, hidden, communist POV. Most of the articles are much more better now, but there are some where great DIRECTOR influence (garbage) still shines...like defending war criminal and dictator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito
At least there are other wikipedians who are neither communists or radical Serbs, so all that garbage-articles you almost ruined with your communist POV are much more better today. Well, most of them..I am still disgusted by few articles defending communist war criminals and justifying (almost praising) genocides.
It's strange to see you lose..
And that's ladies and gentleman, why everyone wants to get away from Serbs for an entire century (since they started first world war and forced other nations in first Yugoslavia which was Serbian dominated monarchy).
P.S. don't worry, there are many likes of me (your own words from long ago)...at least 50 million people. You know, all nations that were once part of now dead(thank God) Yugoslavia, even many Serbs (believe it or not), who despise communism and war criminal Tito. And there were many, many loses in the war...and not all sides were equally guilty (like many Serbs or communists would like to think).
Everyone, feel free to delete my comment, I couldn't resist, but to laugh at this communist Serb from Croatia(again). :D —Preceding
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Rod Blagojevich's first name is "Rod" & only "Rod" is on his birth certificate. His father wanted "Milorad", but his mother insisted on simple American name for both of her sons. But the father & the Serbian relatives always called him "Milorad". For more on this with specific citations, see Eric Zorn's Chicago Tribune blog item http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/08/milorad.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.92.192 ( talk) 14:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Should we link "lying to the FBI" to Making false statements - is that what he was found guilty of? Probably readers will want to learn more about the exact crime committed.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 14:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Right wing POV pushers are plauging this article and attempting to use it to attack all Democrats. there are glib insults toward the respondent in this areicle that do not meet the standard of an encyclopedia and are ridiculas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.38.173.3 ( talk) 14:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, don't we have a picture of Blagojevich to use for his main image besides his congressional photo? - 108.82.70.231 ( talk) 20:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Should the commercial he was featured in for Pistachios be added to this page? If for no other reason than it features a tagline to Rod doing it "innocently?"
Here's a HuffPost article on the old commercial. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/01/rod-blagojevich-pitches-p_n_777335.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3daysaside ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
This article opens by mentioning mr. Blagojevich is a convicted felon. Similar articles of famous people who were convicted of crime(s) like Wesley Snipes, O.J. Simpson, Li'l Kim have the occupations that made them famous mentioned first and the part about their convictions and sentences mentioned later.
I therefore suggest that the intro to the article be rewritten to better reflect mr. Blagojevich's political career and mention the conviction and the facts of that later. Robin.lemstra ( talk) 13:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Citations on approval ratings should either included sources others than the notoriously right leaning and inaccurate Rasmussen Reports or the section should be removed altogether Cosand ( talk) 16:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
This page is a train wreck and an assault on accuracy and objectivity. It is full of unsubstantiated and non cited speculation, tabloid rumor, and biased personal commentary, much of which is categorically absurd. Just a few of many examples
His arrest and conviction should be condensed in to a single section at the end of the page, as is seen on scores of other pages of public figures who have been convicted of crimes. It is my wish to edit the page and keep the accurate information found in the first third of the page, delete the non cited fabrications and comments, and clarify and correct the errors in the last two thirds, complete with verifiable citations. This will mean major edits to the page so at this time, I formally seek consensus on the OK for the re write and edit Cosand ( talk) 03:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Since there has been no objection voiced to my proposal for a major overhaul, I have started the editing process and have removed duplication, Non cited material and bias unsubstantiated commentary Cosand ( talk) 05:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps you may want to wait until I am finished. I actually "deleted" very little, and did a lot more moving than deletion. Did we really need THREE accounts of his conviction in the same article? Commentary from the Illinois NRA, and weasle words like "at least a dozen" and "Tried to enact" as opposed to "proposed" (I think not) The page now also makes chronological sense as opposed to the way it was previously scattered. Not to mention THIS...Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page...."Through his father-in-law's connections"...ZERO evidence, citation and borderline libelous Cosand ( talk) 06:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
As was suggested at the top of the talk page, I also plan to compose a section on the controversy surrounding the severity of his sentence, to omit this part of the discussion is to render the page incomplete Cosand ( talk) 06:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem, and thank you. I welcome your scrutiny, suggestions and help. I hope that you take my user page statement in the constructive way it is intended. As stated, it is my concern that what has become, for better or worse, the most widely used reference on the planet, is sometimes rendered sterile buy rule overkill, and while on one hand causal editors are encouraged to be "bold", they are slapped on the wrist and marginalized when they are. Again, I look forward to your critique of my addition regarding the dubious evidence and the severity of the sentence at the triel. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosand ( talk • contribs) 07:20, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
As promised, I made extensive changes to the page, consolidated the legal issues at the end, deleted the tabloid content and weasel words, and added some balance to the page, I fell that this is now a bio page as opposed to the character assassination page it had been Cosand ( talk) 21:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
There are some citations in this article which could be improved. For starters, the reference tag named "2002bio" is used heavily in the article. It's not even remotely close to what a proper academic citation should look like. It's more like a really bad clue. I've copied it below and replaced the angular brackets in the Wiki code with parenthesis for readability.
(ref name="2002bio")Copley News Service. Three Democrats battle for party's nomination for governor. March 9, 2002.(/ref)
Can someone please fix this reference if they know more about it?
DeeplyInspired52 ( talk) 22:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
The section on Patrick Fitzgerald is given undue weight and not appropriate for the article. This article is about Blagojevich, not Fitzgerald nor Scooter Libby and does not belong here. I propose that the section is removed. Cheerio. HoundofBaskersville ( talk) 16:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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This page needs a critique of the Federal Trial, analyzing the lack of prosecutorial evidence and examining any possible prosecutorial misconduct. Certainly readers will wonder how this politically-motivated trial could have proceeded without any evidence of misconduct by Blago, and why the prosecutors did not face charges or disciplinary action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.51.122.18 ( talk) 13:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. IMO the travesty which was the prosecution and absurdity of the sentence exceeds the relevance of the charges themselves Cosand ( talk) 16:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
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Mention might be made that at the end of his presidency Obama reviewed his case and declined pardon or commute his sentence, and that Trump (just today) announced he would consider pardoning Blagojevich. SecretName101 ( talk) 17:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
As a perusal of this article suggests, Blagojevich was a shoeshiner at a young age. The article on shoeshiners shows many other prominent people have been shoeshiners. So, why remove the category? It isn't an insult. Hoktiwe ( talk) 15:47, 12 April 2019 (UTC)