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I have today inserted a re-developed article for the subject, Amb. Robin Raphel, whose stages of re-development can be tracked at
[1]. The original article was poorly sourced, highly biased and did not meet
WP:NPOV standards on any count. The original article was also incomplete in terms of the significance of work done by Amb. Raphel when a careful read of her achievements and controversies is undertaken. Her work and the controversies it generated throughout the past three decades is covered by numerous books, at least three of which I cited in referencing the article. I do not know Ms. Raphel personally, so there is no conflict of interest issue. But I know the history of the period during which she served in critical posts during the mid-1990s, and having been involved integrally in the activities of that period as a private American citizen, I believed my background and knowledge could assist to re-develop the article to a better standard of encyclopedic entry. I welcome any editorial comments and your review of the work done here in this Discussion panel section, or at my talk page. --
Mansoor Ijaz (
talk)
04:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
i'm surprised there's no mention that she was married to the us amb to pak who died in the airplane crash with zia al-huqq. chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.34.50.8 ( talk) 09:33, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I've placed a request for the page to be semi-protected until the controversy regarding the counter-intelligence investigation has died down. — Sasuke Sarutobi ( talk) 17:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know enough about Robin Raphel to be sure but it seems that the section titled " Hostility towards India" is not a neutral point of view. 64.134.101.88 ( talk) 21:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
In my
last edit summary I wrote "if he died on 9/9, how could be a problem after 9/11" but I meant "if he died on 9/9, how could be helpful after 9/11". This is in reference to the following sentences in the "
Engaging and cooperating with the Taliban" section:
Masood-controlled militias blocked the pipeline's northern access route due to the longstanding civil war with Taliban forces. Masood was killed September 9 2001, in a Taliban bombing. Masood would later become a stalwart in American military policy to counter the Taliban after the
September 11 attacks, leading Raphel's critics to lay blame on her for coddling the Taliban to advance America's commercial interests even as Taliban mercenaries gave refuge to
Osama bin Laden and other senior
Al Qaeda
leaders as they planned the 9-11 attacks.
64.134.101.88 (
talk)
21:43, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
@ Sasuke Sarutobi: I have today completed the re-work and editing for GA review of article Timothy M. Carney. I will begin handling your requests on this article during the next few days as time permits. Would you like to set forth your list of concerns in a tabular manner so I can check each point off as I go along? Many thanks, -- Mansoor Ijaz ( talk) 23:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
In October, 1993, Raphel referred to Kashmir as "disputed territory." From LA Times (1994):
In October, Raphel--a former diplomat in New Delhi, a friend of President Clinton’s and the first head of the State Department’s new Bureau for South Asian Affairs--made some remarks on the sensitive issue of separatism in the northern Indian state of Kashmir. Kashmir joined India 47 years ago because of a maharaja’s wish. When Raphel suggested that might not be enough to grant India perpetual title, Indian correspondents treated her off-the-record comment as tantamount to a U.S. statement putting India’s territorial wholeness in doubt.
Raphel openly stated that India and Pakistan should discuss the problem of Kashmir:
The Kashmir dispute polarizes the relationship between the two nations. We are continuing efforts to persuade them to begin a serious attempt to resolve this dispute. This must involve sustained, direct discussion between senior Indian and Pakistani officials. It requires the credible engagement of all the people of Jammu and Kashmir and the cessation of human rights abuses by security forces and militants. It also requires the end of outside assistance to the militancy against the Indian Government. The United States has offered to assist with this process, if India and Pakistan so request. We have no preferred outcome.
Based on the actual facts in RS, Wikipedia should not twist this bio to portray her as a supporter of Kashmir violence or independence.
This article has a section called "Impact in India" but hostility to Raphel in Indian media (and media readers) colors much of the rest of the article. I think this article should put more emphasis on her actual career activities without repeatedly reminding us of the same fact, that the press in India repeatedly attacked her. HouseOfChange ( talk) 01:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
In the absence of an ambassador in New Delhi or attention by the secretary of state or the President, Robin Raphel, the assistant secretary in the newly created South Asia Bureau of the State Department, assumed the prominent role in American relations with India. She became a lightning rod in Indo-American relations in April 1994 by suggesting that the United States had reconsidered its historic position on the 1947 accession of Kashmir. Raphel also led the Pentagon’s campaign to dilute the Pressler Amendment, so that 71 paid-for F-16 aircraft could be delivered and the restored government of Benazir Bhutto could thereby be bolstered.
After a debate remarkable for its strident anti-India character, in which New Delhi was berated for being an ally of the Soviet Union years after that country had dissolved, Congress passed the Brown Amendment, which diluted sanctions so that more arms could be sold to Pakistan. In effect, this amendment legitimated Islamabad’s surreptitious nuclear program. The manner in which the Brown Amendment was passed as part of a compromise amendment to a foreign operations bill and not as an independent issue was illustrative of the way in which Congress deals with the South Asian region.[1]
References
As often happens in Wikipedia, very understandably, a developing story gets cobbled together as news stories emerge. In this case, since the early news stories contained charges later found to be false, we should rely more on later news stories (including a long article in WSJ [1] that became a 2017 Pulitzer finalist.) With quotes from that article and others, here is a relevant timeline, which I plan to refer to for improving the article. HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
While the F.B.I. secretly watched Ms. Raphel in recent months, agents suspected that she was improperly taking classified information home from the State Department, the officials said. Armed with a warrant, the agents searched her home in a prosperous neighborhood near the Maryland border with Washington, and found classified information, the officials said.
HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
References
In the spring of 2015, a prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's Office handling the Raphel case notified Amy Jeffress, one of Raphel's attorneys, that the Justice Department was no longer investigating her client for espionage. That was the good news. Yet the FBI still wanted her to be prosecuted for mishandling classified information—a charge that could result in jail time...The most sensitive document the FBI recovered was 20 years old, and if she were charged, it could well have been routinely declassified while she awaited trial.
Last fall, federal agents raided the home and office of Robin L. Raphel in search of proof that she, a seasoned member of America's diplomatic corps, was spying for Pakistan. But officials now say the spying investigation has all but fizzled, leaving the Justice Department to decide whether to prosecute Ms. Raphel for the far less serious charge of keeping classified information in her home.
Robin Raphel has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | |||||||||||||
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Current status: Good article |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||
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@
Nyttend:
@
FreeRangeFrog:
@
CorporateM:
I have today inserted a re-developed article for the subject, Amb. Robin Raphel, whose stages of re-development can be tracked at
[1]. The original article was poorly sourced, highly biased and did not meet
WP:NPOV standards on any count. The original article was also incomplete in terms of the significance of work done by Amb. Raphel when a careful read of her achievements and controversies is undertaken. Her work and the controversies it generated throughout the past three decades is covered by numerous books, at least three of which I cited in referencing the article. I do not know Ms. Raphel personally, so there is no conflict of interest issue. But I know the history of the period during which she served in critical posts during the mid-1990s, and having been involved integrally in the activities of that period as a private American citizen, I believed my background and knowledge could assist to re-develop the article to a better standard of encyclopedic entry. I welcome any editorial comments and your review of the work done here in this Discussion panel section, or at my talk page. --
Mansoor Ijaz (
talk)
04:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
i'm surprised there's no mention that she was married to the us amb to pak who died in the airplane crash with zia al-huqq. chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.34.50.8 ( talk) 09:33, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I've placed a request for the page to be semi-protected until the controversy regarding the counter-intelligence investigation has died down. — Sasuke Sarutobi ( talk) 17:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know enough about Robin Raphel to be sure but it seems that the section titled " Hostility towards India" is not a neutral point of view. 64.134.101.88 ( talk) 21:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
In my
last edit summary I wrote "if he died on 9/9, how could be a problem after 9/11" but I meant "if he died on 9/9, how could be helpful after 9/11". This is in reference to the following sentences in the "
Engaging and cooperating with the Taliban" section:
Masood-controlled militias blocked the pipeline's northern access route due to the longstanding civil war with Taliban forces. Masood was killed September 9 2001, in a Taliban bombing. Masood would later become a stalwart in American military policy to counter the Taliban after the
September 11 attacks, leading Raphel's critics to lay blame on her for coddling the Taliban to advance America's commercial interests even as Taliban mercenaries gave refuge to
Osama bin Laden and other senior
Al Qaeda
leaders as they planned the 9-11 attacks.
64.134.101.88 (
talk)
21:43, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
@ Sasuke Sarutobi: I have today completed the re-work and editing for GA review of article Timothy M. Carney. I will begin handling your requests on this article during the next few days as time permits. Would you like to set forth your list of concerns in a tabular manner so I can check each point off as I go along? Many thanks, -- Mansoor Ijaz ( talk) 23:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
In October, 1993, Raphel referred to Kashmir as "disputed territory." From LA Times (1994):
In October, Raphel--a former diplomat in New Delhi, a friend of President Clinton’s and the first head of the State Department’s new Bureau for South Asian Affairs--made some remarks on the sensitive issue of separatism in the northern Indian state of Kashmir. Kashmir joined India 47 years ago because of a maharaja’s wish. When Raphel suggested that might not be enough to grant India perpetual title, Indian correspondents treated her off-the-record comment as tantamount to a U.S. statement putting India’s territorial wholeness in doubt.
Raphel openly stated that India and Pakistan should discuss the problem of Kashmir:
The Kashmir dispute polarizes the relationship between the two nations. We are continuing efforts to persuade them to begin a serious attempt to resolve this dispute. This must involve sustained, direct discussion between senior Indian and Pakistani officials. It requires the credible engagement of all the people of Jammu and Kashmir and the cessation of human rights abuses by security forces and militants. It also requires the end of outside assistance to the militancy against the Indian Government. The United States has offered to assist with this process, if India and Pakistan so request. We have no preferred outcome.
Based on the actual facts in RS, Wikipedia should not twist this bio to portray her as a supporter of Kashmir violence or independence.
This article has a section called "Impact in India" but hostility to Raphel in Indian media (and media readers) colors much of the rest of the article. I think this article should put more emphasis on her actual career activities without repeatedly reminding us of the same fact, that the press in India repeatedly attacked her. HouseOfChange ( talk) 01:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
In the absence of an ambassador in New Delhi or attention by the secretary of state or the President, Robin Raphel, the assistant secretary in the newly created South Asia Bureau of the State Department, assumed the prominent role in American relations with India. She became a lightning rod in Indo-American relations in April 1994 by suggesting that the United States had reconsidered its historic position on the 1947 accession of Kashmir. Raphel also led the Pentagon’s campaign to dilute the Pressler Amendment, so that 71 paid-for F-16 aircraft could be delivered and the restored government of Benazir Bhutto could thereby be bolstered.
After a debate remarkable for its strident anti-India character, in which New Delhi was berated for being an ally of the Soviet Union years after that country had dissolved, Congress passed the Brown Amendment, which diluted sanctions so that more arms could be sold to Pakistan. In effect, this amendment legitimated Islamabad’s surreptitious nuclear program. The manner in which the Brown Amendment was passed as part of a compromise amendment to a foreign operations bill and not as an independent issue was illustrative of the way in which Congress deals with the South Asian region.[1]
References
As often happens in Wikipedia, very understandably, a developing story gets cobbled together as news stories emerge. In this case, since the early news stories contained charges later found to be false, we should rely more on later news stories (including a long article in WSJ [1] that became a 2017 Pulitzer finalist.) With quotes from that article and others, here is a relevant timeline, which I plan to refer to for improving the article. HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
While the F.B.I. secretly watched Ms. Raphel in recent months, agents suspected that she was improperly taking classified information home from the State Department, the officials said. Armed with a warrant, the agents searched her home in a prosperous neighborhood near the Maryland border with Washington, and found classified information, the officials said.
HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
References
In the spring of 2015, a prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's Office handling the Raphel case notified Amy Jeffress, one of Raphel's attorneys, that the Justice Department was no longer investigating her client for espionage. That was the good news. Yet the FBI still wanted her to be prosecuted for mishandling classified information—a charge that could result in jail time...The most sensitive document the FBI recovered was 20 years old, and if she were charged, it could well have been routinely declassified while she awaited trial.
Last fall, federal agents raided the home and office of Robin L. Raphel in search of proof that she, a seasoned member of America's diplomatic corps, was spying for Pakistan. But officials now say the spying investigation has all but fizzled, leaving the Justice Department to decide whether to prosecute Ms. Raphel for the far less serious charge of keeping classified information in her home.