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It is entirely appropriate that the discussion of this man groping a 15 year old is in the article. It is all over the news, and sadly for Robin Brooke, will be the last thing he is remembered for. You may be able to write more about his rugby career - go ahead, but everyone who is googling Robin Brooke wants to know how he molested the girl and what he did to her friend. Tristanb ( talk) 03:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
It's not the recentness of the story that means it should be well-covered, it's the fact that he sexually assaulted a 15 year old! That's big news. If he wasn't an All Black being tried in Fiji he'd be locked up! And in a week, and in a year, this still will be a fact. I am sure if Robin Brooke is mentioned again in five years' time, this "indiscretion" will be mentioned.
But I see your point. But just because the rest of this "biography" is empty, doesn't mean that we have to hobble the rest of the article. As I stated in my initial paragraph, I am more than happy for someone to put in information about his childhood, school days, and early rugby career. If the section on his child molestation becomes proportionally shorter, then fine.
Another point is that everyone who has done something notable, has more written about that notable activity than the rest of their life. For instance nearly 50% of the Gary Glitter article is about his sex offences. Robin Brooke played some rugby, made the All Blacks, then ran a supermarket in Tauranga, but he is notable for what he did in Fiji on New Year's 2010. Tristanb ( talk) 04:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
The article would not have been touched substantially for years if not for this event. He's notable for being an All Black who grabbed an underage girl's bottom. I don't have any idea what WP:3O or WP:BLPN are, but they sound like horrible overly bureaucratic pages that might symbolise what Wikipedia has become. Since there's no content under debate, probably not much point. I just thought when I saw that boilerplate stuck there that I should justify what I've written.
But go ahead, write more about the guy's rugby. No debate there. Tristanb ( talk) 06:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Definitely undue weight been given to this matter - the least controversial solution would be write more about his rugby career - how can we get the Rugby Project guys on this? -- Xorkl000 ( talk) 07:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Copied from my ( Tristanb) talk page:
Here is your third opinion:
Hope this helps Gigs ( talk) 21:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Ask yourself this, if in two months he hasn't been charged with anything, then you you still think it should stay in, the answer is no and if the answer is no in two months you should take it out now. Off2riorob ( talk) 21:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Off2riorob, it doesn't matter whether he is charged or not. The article is not a criminal record. It is a summary of significant events that happened in his life. He has admitted the assault and tried to apologise for it later in the day. There was never any question as to whether the event happened.
Many people don't seem to understand that something can be true, that something can happen, without a court telling us that this is the case. He is either going to apologise, or get charged. Either way this shows overwhelming evidence that he did it. Tristanb ( talk) 23:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
There is plenty of evidence! You think the newspapers are lying? You don't think this is a significant event?He violently grabbed a girl's bottom, twice, then assaulted her friend! You think this is okay? That it should be brushed under the carpet? If he isn't charged, it is not because it didn't happen! Anyway, how was the article it awful? Because you didn't like way it was written, or you didn't like the facts? It was a work in progress, which is what this encyclopaedia is about. Those two awkward lines and the end could have been fixed, and it is hard to reread copy when it's mixed in with a bunch of references. But those references are important in an article such as this. Tristanb ( talk) 23:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
XLerate is incorrectly (and unfairly) stated that the "15 year old girl alleged". Nowhere in the news does it say that she alleged this, there were multiple witnesses, it should have been kept in the passive tense. Tristanb ( talk) 23:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I am happy to write more about Brooke's rugby career, but am reluctant to do so as some people have biased opinions about All Blacks which I believe is the real reason this news has been minimised. I think it can be rewritten without diminishing the seriousness of the offence, but without that eclipsing the rest of his life. Tristanb ( talk) 23:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
What is the value of the excessive content and citations that have been added here? The content clearly has no use here as regards additions to the article and is excessive here without good reason, does anyone object to my archiving it? Off2riorob ( talk) 00:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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It is entirely appropriate that the discussion of this man groping a 15 year old is in the article. It is all over the news, and sadly for Robin Brooke, will be the last thing he is remembered for. You may be able to write more about his rugby career - go ahead, but everyone who is googling Robin Brooke wants to know how he molested the girl and what he did to her friend. Tristanb ( talk) 03:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
It's not the recentness of the story that means it should be well-covered, it's the fact that he sexually assaulted a 15 year old! That's big news. If he wasn't an All Black being tried in Fiji he'd be locked up! And in a week, and in a year, this still will be a fact. I am sure if Robin Brooke is mentioned again in five years' time, this "indiscretion" will be mentioned.
But I see your point. But just because the rest of this "biography" is empty, doesn't mean that we have to hobble the rest of the article. As I stated in my initial paragraph, I am more than happy for someone to put in information about his childhood, school days, and early rugby career. If the section on his child molestation becomes proportionally shorter, then fine.
Another point is that everyone who has done something notable, has more written about that notable activity than the rest of their life. For instance nearly 50% of the Gary Glitter article is about his sex offences. Robin Brooke played some rugby, made the All Blacks, then ran a supermarket in Tauranga, but he is notable for what he did in Fiji on New Year's 2010. Tristanb ( talk) 04:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
The article would not have been touched substantially for years if not for this event. He's notable for being an All Black who grabbed an underage girl's bottom. I don't have any idea what WP:3O or WP:BLPN are, but they sound like horrible overly bureaucratic pages that might symbolise what Wikipedia has become. Since there's no content under debate, probably not much point. I just thought when I saw that boilerplate stuck there that I should justify what I've written.
But go ahead, write more about the guy's rugby. No debate there. Tristanb ( talk) 06:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Definitely undue weight been given to this matter - the least controversial solution would be write more about his rugby career - how can we get the Rugby Project guys on this? -- Xorkl000 ( talk) 07:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Copied from my ( Tristanb) talk page:
Here is your third opinion:
Hope this helps Gigs ( talk) 21:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Ask yourself this, if in two months he hasn't been charged with anything, then you you still think it should stay in, the answer is no and if the answer is no in two months you should take it out now. Off2riorob ( talk) 21:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Off2riorob, it doesn't matter whether he is charged or not. The article is not a criminal record. It is a summary of significant events that happened in his life. He has admitted the assault and tried to apologise for it later in the day. There was never any question as to whether the event happened.
Many people don't seem to understand that something can be true, that something can happen, without a court telling us that this is the case. He is either going to apologise, or get charged. Either way this shows overwhelming evidence that he did it. Tristanb ( talk) 23:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
There is plenty of evidence! You think the newspapers are lying? You don't think this is a significant event?He violently grabbed a girl's bottom, twice, then assaulted her friend! You think this is okay? That it should be brushed under the carpet? If he isn't charged, it is not because it didn't happen! Anyway, how was the article it awful? Because you didn't like way it was written, or you didn't like the facts? It was a work in progress, which is what this encyclopaedia is about. Those two awkward lines and the end could have been fixed, and it is hard to reread copy when it's mixed in with a bunch of references. But those references are important in an article such as this. Tristanb ( talk) 23:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
XLerate is incorrectly (and unfairly) stated that the "15 year old girl alleged". Nowhere in the news does it say that she alleged this, there were multiple witnesses, it should have been kept in the passive tense. Tristanb ( talk) 23:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I am happy to write more about Brooke's rugby career, but am reluctant to do so as some people have biased opinions about All Blacks which I believe is the real reason this news has been minimised. I think it can be rewritten without diminishing the seriousness of the offence, but without that eclipsing the rest of his life. Tristanb ( talk) 23:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
What is the value of the excessive content and citations that have been added here? The content clearly has no use here as regards additions to the article and is excessive here without good reason, does anyone object to my archiving it? Off2riorob ( talk) 00:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)