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Someone should mention the book he wrote. It's on Amazon. (His memoir "Prince of Darkness" is now listed in the References section. There are earlier books,too, probably written with Rowland Evans. AndersW ( talk) 21:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC))
It may be worth mentioning that Novak recently (April 2006) donated $1.25 million for a named chair at UIUC, the
Robert D. Novak Endowed Chair in Western Civilization and Culture. I'm not sure how to fit it in to the 'Early Years' section.
Eripsa
"The Prince of Darkness" reference can be found in the recent Vanity Fair article about him. (posted by 65.5.196.200; originally unsigned)
This article is in serious need of NPOV'ing. I thought I'd smack this tag on here before I set to work on it in a few hours, to let others chime in. -- BaronLarf 23:02, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
What are the serious problems with the article? (I didn't write it, just threw in that piece about him being known as "the prince of darkness") From what I have read about him, this all seems to be accurate. I left out some of the other things people have said about him, ie "He has never done an unselfish thing in his life", but I found the "prince of darkness" bit amusing, so I added that. --65.5.196.200
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"Prince of Darkness" might be a misattribution on the part of Vanity Fair ... Richard Perle is the one most commonly referred to by others and himself as the "Prince of Darkness." "Prince of Darkness is the title of the news article linked to the reference, i am going to remove the pov dispute. Scranton
Dick Darman was also known as prince of darkness, there is on in massachusetts too (the secretary of state bill galvin -- i think its valid 68.116.195.72
Novak has been called 'the Prince of Darkness' for YEARS, and it is sometimes suggested that he started the practice himself. He certainly has never seemed upset about it. Some of his critics actually call him 'the Prince of Dimness' instead. CBDunkerson
Because the truth is unflattering to Robert Novak it shouldn't be changed? Believe me, worse things could be mentioned in this article.
what is the procedure to remove the tag?
LOL neutrality message, there's actually people who like him?
Novak talked about his nickname in the NYT interview; I added it before checking here, but it's properly sourced. He gave the same answer on [ Meet The Press 7/15/2007.] Bokonon42 05:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
On the 'allegedly' controversy. How does Rove's statement to reporters that she is "fair game" NOT prove that this was retaliatory? Rove had >claimed< that he only considered Valerie Wilson 'fair game' AFTER Novak's column came out, but we now know that this was a lie... he told Matt Cooper about her CIA status three days earlier. The TRULY stubborn >might< (I say might) still be able to pretend that this was not vindictive retaliation, but the actual wording of the article does not go that far;
"Novak gained notoriety in 2003 for revealing in print the name of an undercover CIA official, Valerie Plame, as part of a Bush White House effort to discredit her husband, the former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson (a critic of the intelligence used to justify the Iraq invasion)."
There is nothing 'alleged' about that. They were telling reporters bad things about Wilson and telling them not to believe him. These are known facts. Ergo, they were trying to discredit him. Unless you think their motive for saying he was a liar was to make him seem more credible? CBDunkerson 11:08, July 11 2005 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that this article should be in the Category:U.S. political scandals category. Novak himself isn't a scandal. And while he is involved in the whole Valerie Plame scandal, that's not the only thing notable about him. Bill Clinton was the central character in the Whitewater affair, yet he's not in that category. -- Baron Larf 17:23, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
The article says, "He is a member of the secretive far-right Catholic group Opus Dei." Can anyone substantiate that or cite a source? I find none. Calicocat 05:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Looks to me as if this is probably excessive coverage of this one incident which is only interesting because of what it says about Novak's involvement in the Plame affair. I corrected the statement that said Novak was enraged because he clearly was not, in fact the tape shows him appearing curiously detached, as if he recognized that he had contrived the argument. Also his anger is directed more at Henry than Carville. The excessive length is not a problem for the time being, for the next few weeks it is probably what people will be looking for in the article. But the article can probably be pruned considerably as soon as the full Plame story comes out. It is unlikely that Novak will turn out to be more than a bit player in the actual scandal even if he ends up prosecuted for his actions.-- Gorgonzilla 12:32, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
I think that the article should loose the first half describing pretty irrelevant details of the interview and instead give useful context.
OK I edited out the blow by blow description of the interview which is not all that interesting. It would be better to link to a video of the incident. I added in the fact that Novak claims his walkout had nothing whatsoever to do with the Plame affair questions and balanced this with the list of facts that make this claim not very credible.
On August 4, 2005, Novak was appearing on a live broadcast of the CNN show Inside Politics, along with Democratic strategist and analyst James Carville, and moderator Ed Henry. Novak responded to a comment by Carville with an obsenity, saying "well, I think that's bullshit. And I hate that." To the moderator Ed Henry, Novak turned and said "just let it go" before removing his microphone and walking off the set. In response to the incident, CNN suspended Novak for one day, calling the outburst "inexcusable and unacceptable." Critics have alleged that Novak's departure from the set was motivated not by anger with Carville's comment, but by the desire to avoid questioning about the Plame affair later in the show, which was expected to be intense.
The following article provides some very useful context on Novak that may explain the curious fact that it took his CNN colleagues over TWO YEARS to ask him about Plame. Novak is an executive producer of many of the shows he appears on. Henry was the first reporter who interviewed him who did not depend on him for their job. http://washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0412.sullivan.html
I think someone should add this very interesting fact to the main article.
On http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/07/20/rovenovakPicture.html there's a picture of Rove together with Novak. Rove has a button attached to his suit that says "I am a source, not a target!". Not a photoshopped image! 80.217.225.208 01:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
What is the copyright status?
I am tempted to remove this comment as it is simply one individual's insulting reference rather than a name that is widely used. The Prince of darkness on the other hand is used very widely to refer to Novak and there is some evidence that he even encourages this - his staff on Capital Gang use it.
HastelloyX 05:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)Is every Jon Stewart joke/insult worthy enough of an entry on Wikipedia? A single comment attributed to a comic hardly seems to be a worthwhile addition to an article that is designed to supply useful information about the subject matter. If how many hits on the web a joke makes is all that is needed to justify whether it belongs on a Wikipedia page, somebody might as well start adding Robin Williams comments comparing partial nuclear disarmament to partial circumcision to the Wikipedia page on nuclear disarmament.
...seems awfully large, so much so as to possibly be unbalancing. It's longer than all the other text put together. Considering that it was basically a tempest in a teapot, I think it ought to be significantly cut. · Katefan0 (scribble) 18:59, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
This article starts out in a straightforward manner, detailing Novak's career up to 1972. From then on everything is either a controversy or a scandal. I renamed "Controversies and scandals" to "Notable reporting", but that's just a bandaid. Can we make this into more of a biography? Did anything happen to him personally after 1972? Job changes? Marriages? It'd be great if we could make this into more of a narrative, chronological biography. (Not a bad article, just oddly arranged) Cheers, - Willmcw 12:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I see the Left has added the usual ficticious accounts claiming that Novak admitted Rove was his source for Plame. Laughable in hindsight.
I added the fact tag to the intro sentence of that section. If not sourced, that whole section should be removed as original research, imho oh course :). Thanks -- Tom 17:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The article says something about the 2005 Inside Politics incident being the last time Robert Novak was seen on CNN. While this was the last time he was on there while being employed by CNN, I do seem to remember an interview he gave Wolf Blitzer some time later. Shame I can't remember more about it. I'll have to do some digging. Illinois2011 15:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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The section amensty, abortion, and acid needs to specify: amnesty for what. Boris B ( talk) 23:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted. Jjdon ( talk) 19:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Granted, this isnt the best source, but apparently Novak even tried to drive away from the scene. He was chased down by a lawyer on a bike. Novak was released with a $50 ticket for not yeilding to someone in a crosswalk. Dude who was hit (66 years old) is now in the hospital. Qb | your 2 cents 18:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Is this accident even worth having in Wikipedia? It sounds more like Tabliod fodder than an encyclopedia section. -- 64.173.240.130 ( talk) 01:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The words "hit and run" refer to a crime, an element of which is that you know you've been in an accident. Replacing with "Car Accident" for now. I don't think it is encyclopedia material either. My step father was involved in 4 minor accidents in the weeks before being diagnosed with a brain tumor (he died within days). This is quite common. 192.55.54.37 ( talk) 16:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Bob Novak has announced he has a brain tumor
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1077958,novak072808.article Tenio ( talk) 16:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I realize that he's not dead, but as of now, his journalistic career is over I believe in MOST cases, the tense was correct. If/when he recovers, then it should be changed back. -- Hourick ( talk) 19:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
This article only talks about his leaving CNN and when he left but says nothing about when he joined the network and very little about what he did there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.214.133.202 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
As folk have noted that he wasn't charged with revealing Plame's identity, the question remains as to why. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
“ Journalistically, I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence and no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa.[27] ”
In fact, Joseph Wilson is a former United States Foreign Service diplomat who had been posted to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration.
The second paragraph written by Wikipedia appears to be structured to try and disqualify the statement spoken by Mr. Novak.
Reguard;
{I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence}
Response;
['In fact, Joseph Wilson is a former United States Foreign Service diplomat}''''
A foreign service diplomat is not in the intelligence feild. No contridiction here.
Reguard;
{no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa.[27] ” }
Response;
who had been posted to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration.]
"African nations and Iraq" is not Niger, again no contridiction. Which administration employed him is non sequitur and appears to be added only to quantify the Wikipedia conclusion.
The Wikipedia response to Mr. Novak's remarks needs to be ammended. If the words "All true,"
were added to the beginning of the Wikipedia statement it would read correctly as a statement
of opinion and point of view of the author, which it clearly is.
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How does being stationed in Iraq give someone a " track record in" intelligence or "experience in Niger"? Is the wiki editor suggesting these can be attained by posts in African nations? Clearly Wilson had some experience in Africa or at least according to his now famous letter. "I arrived in Niger's capital, Niamey, where I had been a diplomat in the mid-70's and visited as a National Security Council official in the late 90's." Now here the question remains whether this was sufficient to put him on the CIA's short list of people to send or whether his wife's influence put him in the number one slot? Still more, one has to remember context. Clearly, the statement below concerns a time prior to Novak's article mentioning Valerie Plame. That is to say Novak may or may not have known about Wilson's "qualifications " prior to researching the story: "Journalistically, I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence and no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa." I would assume Novak had at least a general idea about said qualifications. However, even if he knew or later learned that Wilson" had been posted "to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration" this would not alter the substance of his original question: whether this was sufficient to make Wilson the right person to send or whether it required his wife's influence. More importantly, Novak had stated, early on that Plame's occupation was revealed in the previous years Who's Who in Washington. ~Spiker_22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.12.242.44 ( talk) 08:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q74JDfjI_3w —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.12.242.44 ( talk) 09:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
"Despite the fact that he himself is of Jewish ancestry"
Robert Novak has taken a pro-Palestinian stance. First of all, why do we need the first part? Is it appropriate to imply that being Jewish means you reflexively support Israel?
Ludicrous. This is POV, as the context is from the POV of a person who believes Jews ought to support Israel due to their Jewishness.
If it narrowed down WHICH Jews and within WHICH group of Jews within the larger group - and carefully worded it as such - then I could accept the caveat.
Like if it said:
'Unlike most mainstream reporters of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry in the UNited States, Novak supports the Palestinians.'
You have to narrow down who we're talking about. ALL JEWS? Some Jews? Jewish people within the mainstream media in the United States?
Simply saying 'of Jewish ancestry' is vague/broad and inappropriate. I'm deleting it now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.140.104.139 ( talk) 23:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'll be reviewing this article for possible GA status. Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
No issues noted
No issues noted
No work done, so you can fail this. Wizardman 15:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
"At his height, Novak was one of the fifth most read columnists in the U.S.[9]"
Perhaps this should read "At the height of his career, Novak was in top 20 percent of columnists most frequently read in the U.S."
My computer will not allow me to check the reference to make sure that this is what the original sentence means, but if it is, a re-wording of this sentence could make it sound less awkward. WesUGAdawg ( talk) 21:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone oppose the use of columns in the reference list? I originally implemented {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}
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Since his published 2001 admission of using Soviet/Russian spy Robert Hanssen as a primary source to criticize at least Janet Reno during the Clinton administration was a notable event, I've footnoted using two (2) secondary sources as expected, but also added a third ref linking to that original admission itself — even though it is an original source; at this point I don't need it as verification, I am offering it for detailed information, letting the late Novak speak for himself (and, oddly enough, in favor of Hanssen) in my own utter neutrality. – •Raven .talk 02:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
HI Can someone give input on the following:
He became a brother of the Alpha Epsilon Pi fraternity, at the time a mostly Jewish college fraternity, while attending the University of Illinois. Novak would later use the group's 'secret handshake' whenever he met fellow alumnus Wolf Blitzer.
The cited source had previously written in the obituary that the Jewish faith was a very small part of his life. Does it justify two sentences in the wikipedia? Scranton ( talk) 15:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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Someone should mention the book he wrote. It's on Amazon. (His memoir "Prince of Darkness" is now listed in the References section. There are earlier books,too, probably written with Rowland Evans. AndersW ( talk) 21:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC))
It may be worth mentioning that Novak recently (April 2006) donated $1.25 million for a named chair at UIUC, the
Robert D. Novak Endowed Chair in Western Civilization and Culture. I'm not sure how to fit it in to the 'Early Years' section.
Eripsa
"The Prince of Darkness" reference can be found in the recent Vanity Fair article about him. (posted by 65.5.196.200; originally unsigned)
This article is in serious need of NPOV'ing. I thought I'd smack this tag on here before I set to work on it in a few hours, to let others chime in. -- BaronLarf 23:02, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
What are the serious problems with the article? (I didn't write it, just threw in that piece about him being known as "the prince of darkness") From what I have read about him, this all seems to be accurate. I left out some of the other things people have said about him, ie "He has never done an unselfish thing in his life", but I found the "prince of darkness" bit amusing, so I added that. --65.5.196.200
This article is also in need of some cleanup and an image.
"Prince of Darkness" might be a misattribution on the part of Vanity Fair ... Richard Perle is the one most commonly referred to by others and himself as the "Prince of Darkness." "Prince of Darkness is the title of the news article linked to the reference, i am going to remove the pov dispute. Scranton
Dick Darman was also known as prince of darkness, there is on in massachusetts too (the secretary of state bill galvin -- i think its valid 68.116.195.72
Novak has been called 'the Prince of Darkness' for YEARS, and it is sometimes suggested that he started the practice himself. He certainly has never seemed upset about it. Some of his critics actually call him 'the Prince of Dimness' instead. CBDunkerson
Because the truth is unflattering to Robert Novak it shouldn't be changed? Believe me, worse things could be mentioned in this article.
what is the procedure to remove the tag?
LOL neutrality message, there's actually people who like him?
Novak talked about his nickname in the NYT interview; I added it before checking here, but it's properly sourced. He gave the same answer on [ Meet The Press 7/15/2007.] Bokonon42 05:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
On the 'allegedly' controversy. How does Rove's statement to reporters that she is "fair game" NOT prove that this was retaliatory? Rove had >claimed< that he only considered Valerie Wilson 'fair game' AFTER Novak's column came out, but we now know that this was a lie... he told Matt Cooper about her CIA status three days earlier. The TRULY stubborn >might< (I say might) still be able to pretend that this was not vindictive retaliation, but the actual wording of the article does not go that far;
"Novak gained notoriety in 2003 for revealing in print the name of an undercover CIA official, Valerie Plame, as part of a Bush White House effort to discredit her husband, the former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson (a critic of the intelligence used to justify the Iraq invasion)."
There is nothing 'alleged' about that. They were telling reporters bad things about Wilson and telling them not to believe him. These are known facts. Ergo, they were trying to discredit him. Unless you think their motive for saying he was a liar was to make him seem more credible? CBDunkerson 11:08, July 11 2005 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that this article should be in the Category:U.S. political scandals category. Novak himself isn't a scandal. And while he is involved in the whole Valerie Plame scandal, that's not the only thing notable about him. Bill Clinton was the central character in the Whitewater affair, yet he's not in that category. -- Baron Larf 17:23, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
The article says, "He is a member of the secretive far-right Catholic group Opus Dei." Can anyone substantiate that or cite a source? I find none. Calicocat 05:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Looks to me as if this is probably excessive coverage of this one incident which is only interesting because of what it says about Novak's involvement in the Plame affair. I corrected the statement that said Novak was enraged because he clearly was not, in fact the tape shows him appearing curiously detached, as if he recognized that he had contrived the argument. Also his anger is directed more at Henry than Carville. The excessive length is not a problem for the time being, for the next few weeks it is probably what people will be looking for in the article. But the article can probably be pruned considerably as soon as the full Plame story comes out. It is unlikely that Novak will turn out to be more than a bit player in the actual scandal even if he ends up prosecuted for his actions.-- Gorgonzilla 12:32, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
I think that the article should loose the first half describing pretty irrelevant details of the interview and instead give useful context.
OK I edited out the blow by blow description of the interview which is not all that interesting. It would be better to link to a video of the incident. I added in the fact that Novak claims his walkout had nothing whatsoever to do with the Plame affair questions and balanced this with the list of facts that make this claim not very credible.
On August 4, 2005, Novak was appearing on a live broadcast of the CNN show Inside Politics, along with Democratic strategist and analyst James Carville, and moderator Ed Henry. Novak responded to a comment by Carville with an obsenity, saying "well, I think that's bullshit. And I hate that." To the moderator Ed Henry, Novak turned and said "just let it go" before removing his microphone and walking off the set. In response to the incident, CNN suspended Novak for one day, calling the outburst "inexcusable and unacceptable." Critics have alleged that Novak's departure from the set was motivated not by anger with Carville's comment, but by the desire to avoid questioning about the Plame affair later in the show, which was expected to be intense.
The following article provides some very useful context on Novak that may explain the curious fact that it took his CNN colleagues over TWO YEARS to ask him about Plame. Novak is an executive producer of many of the shows he appears on. Henry was the first reporter who interviewed him who did not depend on him for their job. http://washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0412.sullivan.html
I think someone should add this very interesting fact to the main article.
On http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/07/20/rovenovakPicture.html there's a picture of Rove together with Novak. Rove has a button attached to his suit that says "I am a source, not a target!". Not a photoshopped image! 80.217.225.208 01:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
What is the copyright status?
I am tempted to remove this comment as it is simply one individual's insulting reference rather than a name that is widely used. The Prince of darkness on the other hand is used very widely to refer to Novak and there is some evidence that he even encourages this - his staff on Capital Gang use it.
HastelloyX 05:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)Is every Jon Stewart joke/insult worthy enough of an entry on Wikipedia? A single comment attributed to a comic hardly seems to be a worthwhile addition to an article that is designed to supply useful information about the subject matter. If how many hits on the web a joke makes is all that is needed to justify whether it belongs on a Wikipedia page, somebody might as well start adding Robin Williams comments comparing partial nuclear disarmament to partial circumcision to the Wikipedia page on nuclear disarmament.
...seems awfully large, so much so as to possibly be unbalancing. It's longer than all the other text put together. Considering that it was basically a tempest in a teapot, I think it ought to be significantly cut. · Katefan0 (scribble) 18:59, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
This article starts out in a straightforward manner, detailing Novak's career up to 1972. From then on everything is either a controversy or a scandal. I renamed "Controversies and scandals" to "Notable reporting", but that's just a bandaid. Can we make this into more of a biography? Did anything happen to him personally after 1972? Job changes? Marriages? It'd be great if we could make this into more of a narrative, chronological biography. (Not a bad article, just oddly arranged) Cheers, - Willmcw 12:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I see the Left has added the usual ficticious accounts claiming that Novak admitted Rove was his source for Plame. Laughable in hindsight.
I added the fact tag to the intro sentence of that section. If not sourced, that whole section should be removed as original research, imho oh course :). Thanks -- Tom 17:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The article says something about the 2005 Inside Politics incident being the last time Robert Novak was seen on CNN. While this was the last time he was on there while being employed by CNN, I do seem to remember an interview he gave Wolf Blitzer some time later. Shame I can't remember more about it. I'll have to do some digging. Illinois2011 15:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The section amensty, abortion, and acid needs to specify: amnesty for what. Boris B ( talk) 23:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted. Jjdon ( talk) 19:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Granted, this isnt the best source, but apparently Novak even tried to drive away from the scene. He was chased down by a lawyer on a bike. Novak was released with a $50 ticket for not yeilding to someone in a crosswalk. Dude who was hit (66 years old) is now in the hospital. Qb | your 2 cents 18:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Is this accident even worth having in Wikipedia? It sounds more like Tabliod fodder than an encyclopedia section. -- 64.173.240.130 ( talk) 01:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The words "hit and run" refer to a crime, an element of which is that you know you've been in an accident. Replacing with "Car Accident" for now. I don't think it is encyclopedia material either. My step father was involved in 4 minor accidents in the weeks before being diagnosed with a brain tumor (he died within days). This is quite common. 192.55.54.37 ( talk) 16:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Bob Novak has announced he has a brain tumor
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1077958,novak072808.article Tenio ( talk) 16:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I realize that he's not dead, but as of now, his journalistic career is over I believe in MOST cases, the tense was correct. If/when he recovers, then it should be changed back. -- Hourick ( talk) 19:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
This article only talks about his leaving CNN and when he left but says nothing about when he joined the network and very little about what he did there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.214.133.202 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
As folk have noted that he wasn't charged with revealing Plame's identity, the question remains as to why. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
“ Journalistically, I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence and no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa.[27] ”
In fact, Joseph Wilson is a former United States Foreign Service diplomat who had been posted to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration.
The second paragraph written by Wikipedia appears to be structured to try and disqualify the statement spoken by Mr. Novak.
Reguard;
{I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence}
Response;
['In fact, Joseph Wilson is a former United States Foreign Service diplomat}''''
A foreign service diplomat is not in the intelligence feild. No contridiction here.
Reguard;
{no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa.[27] ” }
Response;
who had been posted to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration.]
"African nations and Iraq" is not Niger, again no contridiction. Which administration employed him is non sequitur and appears to be added only to quantify the Wikipedia conclusion.
The Wikipedia response to Mr. Novak's remarks needs to be ammended. If the words "All true,"
were added to the beginning of the Wikipedia statement it would read correctly as a statement
of opinion and point of view of the author, which it clearly is.
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How does being stationed in Iraq give someone a " track record in" intelligence or "experience in Niger"? Is the wiki editor suggesting these can be attained by posts in African nations? Clearly Wilson had some experience in Africa or at least according to his now famous letter. "I arrived in Niger's capital, Niamey, where I had been a diplomat in the mid-70's and visited as a National Security Council official in the late 90's." Now here the question remains whether this was sufficient to put him on the CIA's short list of people to send or whether his wife's influence put him in the number one slot? Still more, one has to remember context. Clearly, the statement below concerns a time prior to Novak's article mentioning Valerie Plame. That is to say Novak may or may not have known about Wilson's "qualifications " prior to researching the story: "Journalistically, I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence and no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa." I would assume Novak had at least a general idea about said qualifications. However, even if he knew or later learned that Wilson" had been posted "to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration" this would not alter the substance of his original question: whether this was sufficient to make Wilson the right person to send or whether it required his wife's influence. More importantly, Novak had stated, early on that Plame's occupation was revealed in the previous years Who's Who in Washington. ~Spiker_22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.12.242.44 ( talk) 08:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q74JDfjI_3w —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.12.242.44 ( talk) 09:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
"Despite the fact that he himself is of Jewish ancestry"
Robert Novak has taken a pro-Palestinian stance. First of all, why do we need the first part? Is it appropriate to imply that being Jewish means you reflexively support Israel?
Ludicrous. This is POV, as the context is from the POV of a person who believes Jews ought to support Israel due to their Jewishness.
If it narrowed down WHICH Jews and within WHICH group of Jews within the larger group - and carefully worded it as such - then I could accept the caveat.
Like if it said:
'Unlike most mainstream reporters of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry in the UNited States, Novak supports the Palestinians.'
You have to narrow down who we're talking about. ALL JEWS? Some Jews? Jewish people within the mainstream media in the United States?
Simply saying 'of Jewish ancestry' is vague/broad and inappropriate. I'm deleting it now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.140.104.139 ( talk) 23:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'll be reviewing this article for possible GA status. Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
No issues noted
No issues noted
No work done, so you can fail this. Wizardman 15:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
"At his height, Novak was one of the fifth most read columnists in the U.S.[9]"
Perhaps this should read "At the height of his career, Novak was in top 20 percent of columnists most frequently read in the U.S."
My computer will not allow me to check the reference to make sure that this is what the original sentence means, but if it is, a re-wording of this sentence could make it sound less awkward. WesUGAdawg ( talk) 21:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone oppose the use of columns in the reference list? I originally implemented {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}
, but that was considered to narrow by some, so I guess 45em
would be okay. Does anyone disagree? —
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Since his published 2001 admission of using Soviet/Russian spy Robert Hanssen as a primary source to criticize at least Janet Reno during the Clinton administration was a notable event, I've footnoted using two (2) secondary sources as expected, but also added a third ref linking to that original admission itself — even though it is an original source; at this point I don't need it as verification, I am offering it for detailed information, letting the late Novak speak for himself (and, oddly enough, in favor of Hanssen) in my own utter neutrality. – •Raven .talk 02:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
HI Can someone give input on the following:
He became a brother of the Alpha Epsilon Pi fraternity, at the time a mostly Jewish college fraternity, while attending the University of Illinois. Novak would later use the group's 'secret handshake' whenever he met fellow alumnus Wolf Blitzer.
The cited source had previously written in the obituary that the Jewish faith was a very small part of his life. Does it justify two sentences in the wikipedia? Scranton ( talk) 15:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)