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In your article you mention that Robert Kocharian was born in Nagorno Karabakh then part of Azerbaijan.
I want to remind you that Nagorno Karabakh is still a part of Azerbaijan which is under Armenian occupation. I do urge you to change above mentioned reference.
Sorry, but in your article there is a clear POV statement about Nagorno-Karabakh, TO say that Karabakh "is an historically-Armenian province that was arbitrarily granted to Azerbaijan by Josef Stalin in the 1920s" means to present this disputed issue under a pro-armenian point of view, while Wikipedia must remain neutral.
In the Wikipedia article about Nagorno-Karabakh it is written:
In 1920, Transcaucasia was taken over by the Bolsheviks who, in order to attract public support, promised that they would allot Karabakh to Armenia, along with Nakhichevan, and Zangezur (separating Nakhichevan from Azerbaijan proper). However, Moscow also had far-reaching plans concerning Turkey, hoping that it would, with a little help from Russia, develop along Communist lines. Needing to appease Turkey, Moscow agreed to a division that left Zangezur to Armenia, while LEAVING Karabakh and Nakhichevan in Azerbaijan. As a result, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region was established within the Azerbaijan SSR in 1923. Most of the decisions on the transfer of the territories, and the establishment of new autonomous entities, were made under pressure from Stalin, who is still blamed by both Azeris and Armenians for arbitrary decisions made against their national interests.
So, under this point of view Karabakh was LEFT to Azerbaijan and not "arbitrally given by Stalin". I praise you to change the statement, because if not the article can't be considered NPOV.
P.S. I noticed that the same statement about Karabakh " an historically-Armenian province that was arbitrarily granted to Azerbaijan by Josef Stalin in the 1920s" is present also in other articles and in my opinion this is not really neutral.
Best Regards!
( Virgilio 15:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
Is this an acceptable version? Ulf-S.
Excellent one I have to say. You found a very good compromise my friend, thank you very much.
Best Regards!
( Virgilio 22:11, 8 September 2005 (UTC))
His Armenian name is "Քոչարյան". It can be transliterated as "Kocharian" or "Kocharyan", depending of the system used. Armenian official sources use sometimes one system ( the web-site of the president) and sometimes the other ( the web site of the government). There is no "official" transliteration. However, transliterating the letter յ with y is more logical than with i. Furthermore, Wikipedia's cohesion needs to use one system throughout it. For those resons, I want to rename this article Robert Kocharyan. Švitrigaila 14:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Švitrigaila on this, we should be using the most correct name, i.e. Kocharyan. — Nightstallion 11:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I've written a new guideline for the transcription of Eastern Armenian names. It's here. Don't hesitate to add your comments on the talk page and to vote for or against it. Švitrigaila 14:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Folks, can we find an image where he looks to the left? As according to Wkipedia standards faces should look twards the text not away, it looks much better this way. Steelmate ( talk) 19:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Removed a sentence claiming that "Armenians at large" "widely" believe Kocharian is responsible for the murder of several people in parliament, including the Speaker and the prime minister. That is a defamatory statement and thus not appropriate for a BLP. Saying something is widely believed is a way of claiming it's true without adducing evidence. Nor is it clear what "Armenians at large" "widely" believe. The citation to a book by the son of a prominent opponent of the president is inadequate to establish what public opinion holds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkunets ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
A fellow editor insists on a sentence in the lead, "He is blamed to be responsible for the March 1 shootings." First, "blamed to be responsible" is not standard English. "He is blamed for" is OK. But in using the passive "is blamed," we avoid saying who is doing the blaming. Kocharyan himself obviously would blame the presidential candidate Levon Ter-Petrossyan, who claimed he was leading a "bourgeois revolution"; and he'd blame instigators like Nikol Pashinyan who encouraged people to resort to violence. So it's important to note whose perspective is being reported. Although, personally, I don't think this matter belongs in the lead, I defer to my fellow editor. But if it's going to be there, it should be grammatically correct and specify that the accusation of murder against this living person is made by his opponents.-- Arkunets ( talk) 02:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
However, political observers across the world speculate that Sarkissian was hoping to take a stronger position on the Nagorno-Karabakh issue than Kocharian liked. Many Armenians believe the shootings were the result of a conspiracy, in which Kocharian was involved. They note that some of Kocharian's main political rivals at the time were among those killed.
It is inaccurate at best to assert that the police "lawfully" dispersed the crowds by any account. Therefore this has been removed. I invite a scholarly discussion before such implicit conclusions are made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.82.156 ( talk) 04:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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He is charged with commiting serious felonies, and today he can be arrested [5], [6]. 46.71.141.194 ( talk) 10:15, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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In your article you mention that Robert Kocharian was born in Nagorno Karabakh then part of Azerbaijan.
I want to remind you that Nagorno Karabakh is still a part of Azerbaijan which is under Armenian occupation. I do urge you to change above mentioned reference.
Sorry, but in your article there is a clear POV statement about Nagorno-Karabakh, TO say that Karabakh "is an historically-Armenian province that was arbitrarily granted to Azerbaijan by Josef Stalin in the 1920s" means to present this disputed issue under a pro-armenian point of view, while Wikipedia must remain neutral.
In the Wikipedia article about Nagorno-Karabakh it is written:
In 1920, Transcaucasia was taken over by the Bolsheviks who, in order to attract public support, promised that they would allot Karabakh to Armenia, along with Nakhichevan, and Zangezur (separating Nakhichevan from Azerbaijan proper). However, Moscow also had far-reaching plans concerning Turkey, hoping that it would, with a little help from Russia, develop along Communist lines. Needing to appease Turkey, Moscow agreed to a division that left Zangezur to Armenia, while LEAVING Karabakh and Nakhichevan in Azerbaijan. As a result, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region was established within the Azerbaijan SSR in 1923. Most of the decisions on the transfer of the territories, and the establishment of new autonomous entities, were made under pressure from Stalin, who is still blamed by both Azeris and Armenians for arbitrary decisions made against their national interests.
So, under this point of view Karabakh was LEFT to Azerbaijan and not "arbitrally given by Stalin". I praise you to change the statement, because if not the article can't be considered NPOV.
P.S. I noticed that the same statement about Karabakh " an historically-Armenian province that was arbitrarily granted to Azerbaijan by Josef Stalin in the 1920s" is present also in other articles and in my opinion this is not really neutral.
Best Regards!
( Virgilio 15:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
Is this an acceptable version? Ulf-S.
Excellent one I have to say. You found a very good compromise my friend, thank you very much.
Best Regards!
( Virgilio 22:11, 8 September 2005 (UTC))
His Armenian name is "Քոչարյան". It can be transliterated as "Kocharian" or "Kocharyan", depending of the system used. Armenian official sources use sometimes one system ( the web-site of the president) and sometimes the other ( the web site of the government). There is no "official" transliteration. However, transliterating the letter յ with y is more logical than with i. Furthermore, Wikipedia's cohesion needs to use one system throughout it. For those resons, I want to rename this article Robert Kocharyan. Švitrigaila 14:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Švitrigaila on this, we should be using the most correct name, i.e. Kocharyan. — Nightstallion 11:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I've written a new guideline for the transcription of Eastern Armenian names. It's here. Don't hesitate to add your comments on the talk page and to vote for or against it. Švitrigaila 14:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Folks, can we find an image where he looks to the left? As according to Wkipedia standards faces should look twards the text not away, it looks much better this way. Steelmate ( talk) 19:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Removed a sentence claiming that "Armenians at large" "widely" believe Kocharian is responsible for the murder of several people in parliament, including the Speaker and the prime minister. That is a defamatory statement and thus not appropriate for a BLP. Saying something is widely believed is a way of claiming it's true without adducing evidence. Nor is it clear what "Armenians at large" "widely" believe. The citation to a book by the son of a prominent opponent of the president is inadequate to establish what public opinion holds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkunets ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
A fellow editor insists on a sentence in the lead, "He is blamed to be responsible for the March 1 shootings." First, "blamed to be responsible" is not standard English. "He is blamed for" is OK. But in using the passive "is blamed," we avoid saying who is doing the blaming. Kocharyan himself obviously would blame the presidential candidate Levon Ter-Petrossyan, who claimed he was leading a "bourgeois revolution"; and he'd blame instigators like Nikol Pashinyan who encouraged people to resort to violence. So it's important to note whose perspective is being reported. Although, personally, I don't think this matter belongs in the lead, I defer to my fellow editor. But if it's going to be there, it should be grammatically correct and specify that the accusation of murder against this living person is made by his opponents.-- Arkunets ( talk) 02:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
However, political observers across the world speculate that Sarkissian was hoping to take a stronger position on the Nagorno-Karabakh issue than Kocharian liked. Many Armenians believe the shootings were the result of a conspiracy, in which Kocharian was involved. They note that some of Kocharian's main political rivals at the time were among those killed.
It is inaccurate at best to assert that the police "lawfully" dispersed the crowds by any account. Therefore this has been removed. I invite a scholarly discussion before such implicit conclusions are made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.82.156 ( talk) 04:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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He is charged with commiting serious felonies, and today he can be arrested [5], [6]. 46.71.141.194 ( talk) 10:15, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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